From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 6 14:23:48 2005 Received: from expredir4.cites.uiuc.edu (expredir4.cites.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.187]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j06LLdFJ023440 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:21:39 -0700 Received: from expms1.cites.uiuc.edu (expms1.cites.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.205]) by expredir4.cites.uiuc.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06LLdC4006822; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:21:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from expms1.cites.uiuc.edu (localhost.cites.uiuc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by expms1.cites.uiuc.edu (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AXQ13018; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:21:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.174.5.212 by expms1.cites.uiuc.edu (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with HTTP/1.1; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:21:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:21:38 -0600 From: Subject: [DMDX] Missing Item Number To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list dear DMDXers, I am having the same 'Missing Item Number' problem that I have seen referred to in the archives involving the $. I have just about exhausted all avenues and so now turn to the list for help. The program is aborted where the second $ occurs closing the first bunch of non-scrambled items (experiment directions) and just before the first real experimental item. The 'JOB ABORTED' message on the DMDX screen (not diagnostics) seems to refer to a seemingly arbitrary place earlier in the file. I'd appreciate any help I can get. thanks, Jerry From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 6 16:38:05 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j06NbOFJ024172 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:37:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A06A51170 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:37:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C70A47A74 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:37:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050106163653.00ba4a80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:37:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Missing Item Number In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You will have to post your item file (I hope it's not large) as your problem could be anything at this stage. At 03:21 PM 1/6/2005 -0600, you wrote: >dear DMDXers, > >I am having the same 'Missing Item Number' problem that I >have seen referred to in the archives involving the $. I >have just about exhausted all avenues and so now turn to the >list for help. > >The program is aborted where the second $ occurs closing the >first bunch of non-scrambled items (experiment directions) >and just before the first real experimental item. > >The 'JOB ABORTED' message on the DMDX screen (not >diagnostics) seems to refer to a seemingly arbitrary place >earlier in the file. > >I'd appreciate any help I can get. > >thanks, > >Jerry >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Jargon is used as a means of succeeding by not simplifying. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jan 9 20:32:11 2005 Received: from dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (root@dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.8.134]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0A3TrFJ004174 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:29:53 -0700 Received: from dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23325 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:29:51 +0800 (HKT) Received: from psyhclabpc09 ([137.189.166.65]) by dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23317 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:29:50 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <003401c4f6c5$95ef61a0$41a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> From: "Wong Wing Kuen" To: Subject: [DMDX] Duration measurement of the vocal input Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:36:05 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C4F708.91F702E0" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C4F708.91F702E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I am currently employing the DMDX program to conduct a research about = speech production. As the duration of the subjects' naming response is = one of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how to obtain this = data with the DMDX program, many thanks for your attention. Regards, Andus Wong ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C4F708.91F702E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,
 
I am currently employing the DMDX program to conduct = a=20 research about speech production. As the duration of the subjects' = naming=20 response is one of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how = to obtain=20 this data with the DMDX program, many thanks for your = attention.
 
Regards,
Andus Wong
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C4F708.91F702E0-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jan 9 22:05:54 2005 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0A54XFJ004472 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:04:33 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (ppp393.broadband01.tus.dakotacom.net [69.9.25.137]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j0A54Xa8013353 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:04:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050109220339.00ba45a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:04:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Duration measurement of the vocal input In-Reply-To: <003401c4f6c5$95ef61a0$41a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:36 AM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am currently employing the DMDX program to conduct a research about >speech production. As the duration of the subjects' naming response is one >of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how to obtain this data with >the DMDX program, many thanks for your attention. You can't, all you can get is onset. You'll have to use RecordVocal and use some later analysis software to determine duration. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ As long as the answer is right, who cares if the question is wrong? From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 10 19:11:27 2005 Received: from dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (root@dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.8.134]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0B2ANFJ008955 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:10:24 -0700 Received: from dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24790 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:10:22 +0800 (HKT) Received: from psyhclabpc09 ([137.189.166.65]) by dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24755 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:10:16 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <000701c4f783$a5f52760$41a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> From: "Wong Wing Kuen" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Duration Measurement of the Vocal Input Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:37:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4F74B.C463CFE0" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4F74B.C463CFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Prof. J. Forster, Thanks for your quick response to my previous question. After reading = your reply, I tried to use the "RecordVocal" function to run a DMDX file in = two different pc computers (one with Windows98 and the other one with = WindowsXP OS) and did some sound file analysing afterward. To my surprise, I found = the WAV files that I got from the two computers were different in their duration. The WAV files that I got from the pc working with Win98 were always 1500ms in duration (this was also the time-out time that I had = preset in the parameter line) while those that I got from the pc with WinXP = varied in their duration (all within 1500ms) (even though the same DMDX program = was run in the two computers). Then I looked up the waveform of the sound = files from the pc with WinXP and found that the files were always ended = recording when the waveform came to be static after the voice onset. It seems like = the pc working with WinXP was employing a criteria which is different from = the one used by Win98 system to terminate the voice input recording process. = I am not sure if this difference was due to the differences between two operating systems or some other basic settings in the two computers. = That would be great if you could tell me some more about how to default the = way that the program would terminate the voice recording and if there is any difference between different operating systems on this issue. Many = thanks! Regards, Andus At 11:36 AM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am currently employing the DMDX program to conduct a research about=20 >speech production. As the duration of the subjects' naming response is = one=20 >of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how to obtain this data = with=20 >the DMDX program, many thanks for your attention. You can't, all you can get is onset. You'll have to use RecordVocal = and=20 use some later analysis software to determine duration. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ As long as the answer is right, who cares if the question is wrong? ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4F74B.C463CFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Prof. J.=20 Forster,

Thanks for your quick response to my previous question. = After=20 reading your
reply, I tried to use the "RecordVocal" function to run = a DMDX=20 file in two
different pc computers (one with Windows98 and the other = one with=20 WindowsXP
OS) and did some sound file analysing afterward. To my = surprise, I=20 found the
WAV files that I got from the two computers were different = in=20 their
duration. The WAV files that I got from the pc working with = Win98=20 were
always 1500ms in duration (this was also the time-out time that = I had=20 preset
in the parameter line) while those that I got from the pc with = WinXP=20 varied
in their duration (all within 1500ms) (even though the same = DMDX=20 program was
run in the two computers). Then I looked up the waveform = of the=20 sound files
from the pc with WinXP and found that the files were = always ended=20 recording
when the waveform came to be static after the voice onset. = It seems=20 like the
pc working with WinXP was employing a criteria which is = different=20 from the
one used by Win98 system to terminate the voice input = recording=20 process. I
am not sure if this difference was due to the differences = between=20 two
operating systems or some other basic settings in the two = computers.=20 That
would be great if you could tell me some more about how to = default the=20 way
that the program would terminate the voice recording and if there = is=20 any
difference between different operating systems on this issue. = Many=20 thanks!

Regards,
Andus

 

At 11:36 AM 1/10/2005 +0800, you=20 wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>I am currently employing the DMDX = program=20 to conduct a research about
>speech production. As the duration = of the=20 subjects' naming response is one
>of the DVs in this study, I = would like=20 to ask how to obtain this data with
>the DMDX program, many = thanks for=20 your attention.

   You can't, all you can get is = onset. =20 You'll have to use RecordVocal and
use some later analysis software = to=20 determine=20 duration.

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  -jonathan=20 (j.c.f.)           = ;            =     =20 \=20 /
           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;=20 X
     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML = MAIL  /=20 \

As long as the answer is right, who cares if the question is=20 wrong?
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4F74B.C463CFE0-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 11 14:10:45 2005 Received: from expredir1.cites.uiuc.edu (expredir1.cites.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.184]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0BL9sFJ013345 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:09:54 -0700 Received: from EALC-PC22.uiuc.edu (flb3-026.lang.uiuc.edu [128.174.233.26]) by expredir1.cites.uiuc.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0BL9mAL012791 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:09:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20050111144208.03a79cd0@express.cites.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:09:48 -0600 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Jerry Packard Subject: [DMDX] Re: Missing Item Number - solved! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDXers, With the kind help of Jonathan and Ken, the 'Missing Item Number' problem is solved! The problem arose from my having to run an algorithm to convert an older DMDX file containing Chinese characters from a version that uses 'Big-5' and 'GB' Chinese character encoding to Unicode Chinese character encoding. That algorithm successfully changed the Chinese character encoding, but it made unpredictable changes to things other than the Chinese character encoding. Most notably, the algorithm inserted line breaks/carriage returns and non-printing white spaces within the parameter line and within the quotes that designate things to be displayed on screen. This caused the Item Number and the $ to interact in strange fashion. Once the problem was pointed out, I had to go in and find all carriage returns within the parameter line, quotes etc. and remove them manually. This wasn't so bad; what was hard was identifying the problem in the first place, because the diagnostics etc. pointed in the direction of Missing Item Number and the $ scrambling operator (which I'm sure were intimately involved at some level!). thanks to Ken and Jonathan! Jerry At 03:21 PM 1/6/2005, you wrote: >dear DMDXers, > >I am having the same 'Missing Item Number' problem that I >have seen referred to in the archives involving the $. I >have just about exhausted all avenues and so now turn to the >list for help. > >The program is aborted where the second $ occurs closing the >first bunch of non-scrambled items (experiment directions) >and just before the first real experimental item. > >The 'JOB ABORTED' message on the DMDX screen (not >diagnostics) seems to refer to a seemingly arbitrary place >earlier in the file. > >I'd appreciate any help I can get. > >thanks, > >Jerry >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 11 15:19:39 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0BLuQFJ013664 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:56:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997B0A547B9 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:56:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19558A54485 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:56:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050111145549.00ba4b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:56:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Duration Measurement of the Vocal Input In-Reply-To: <000701c4f783$a5f52760$41a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_526894312==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_526894312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:37 PM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Dear Prof. J. Forster, > >Thanks for your quick response to my previous question. After reading your >reply, I tried to use the "RecordVocal" function to run a DMDX file in two >different pc computers (one with Windows98 and the other one with WindowsXP >OS) and did some sound file analysing afterward. To my surprise, I found the >WAV files that I got from the two computers were different in their >duration. The WAV files that I got from the pc working with Win98 were >always 1500ms in duration (this was also the time-out time that I had preset >in the parameter line) while those that I got from the pc with WinXP varied >in their duration (all within 1500ms) (even though the same DMDX program was >run in the two computers). Then I looked up the waveform of the sound files >from the pc with WinXP and found that the files were always ended recording >when the waveform came to be static after the voice onset. It seems like the >pc working with WinXP was employing a criteria which is different from the >one used by Win98 system to terminate the voice input recording process. I >am not sure if this difference was due to the differences between two >operating systems or some other basic settings in the two computers. That >would be great if you could tell me some more about how to default the way >that the program would terminate the voice recording and if there is any >difference between different operating systems on this issue. Many thanks! Read up all the RecordVocal threads in the list. Basically you want and not . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Jargon is used as a means of succeeding by not simplifying. --=====================_526894312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:37 PM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote:

Dear Prof. J. Forster,

Thanks for your quick response to my previous question. After reading your
reply, I tried to use the "RecordVocal" function to run a DMDX file in two
different pc computers (one with Windows98 and the other one with WindowsXP
OS) and did some sound file analysing afterward. To my surprise, I found the
WAV files that I got from the two computers were different in their
duration. The WAV files that I got from the pc working with Win98 were
always 1500ms in duration (this was also the time-out time that I had preset
in the parameter line) while those that I got from the pc with WinXP varied
in their duration (all within 1500ms) (even though the same DMDX program was
run in the two computers). Then I looked up the waveform of the sound files
from the pc with WinXP and found that the files were always ended recording
when the waveform came to be static after the voice onset. It seems like the
pc working with WinXP was employing a criteria which is different from the
one used by Win98 system to terminate the voice input recording process. I
am not sure if this difference was due to the differences between two
operating systems or some other basic settings in the two computers. That
would be great if you could tell me some more about how to default the way
that the program would terminate the voice recording and if there is any
difference between different operating systems on this issue. Many thanks!

  Read up all the RecordVocal threads in the list.  Basically you want <RecordVocal 1500> and not <RecordVocal>.


                                               /"\
 -jonathan (j.c.f.)                            \ /
                                                X
    ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL  / \

  Jargon is used as a means of succeeding by not simplifying.

--=====================_526894312==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 26 17:16:02 2005 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0R0DvFJ020898 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:13:57 -0700 Received: from SANTOROMAURI@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id h.1a7.300762ec (25098) for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:13:50 -0500 (EST) From: SANTOROMAURI@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:13:49 EST Subject: [DMDX] problem To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d_boundary" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --part1_1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, ANALYZE records ERs as 0.0 or 100.0. What can I do to solve the problem?=20 Below is the first page of my item file. < n 136 > =20 ! this is an example; $00 "This is a grammaticality judgment task.", "Press RIGHT-SHIFT KEY if the sentence is correct.", "Press LEFT-SHIFT KEY if it is incorrect.", "Respond as quickly & accurately as you can.", "Now Press SPACEBAR to begin practice."; +225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Quando Antonio va al bar, incontra spesso il suo vecchio= =20 amico Luigi."; +225 < % 60>"*"/ * "L'italiano, molti studenti lo studiano."; -225 < % 60>"*"/ * " Che bella macchina! Marcello le ha comprata ieri."; +225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria non ha studiato abbastanza, ha ricevuto u= n=20 brutto voto."; -225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Franco va in vacanza, invita spesso alla sua=20 amica."; -225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quel bambino somiglia davvero suo padre."; +225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Mario, sua mamma non gli ha creduto."; -225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria lavora molto, il suo manager la ha=20 consigliato di riposarsi."; +225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Marco =E8 un ragazzo modello. Telefona a sua madre ogni= =20 giorno."; -225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Luisa va al ristorante, voglio sempre mangiare l= a=20 pasta."; 00 "End of practice. Press SPACEBAR to begin experiment.";$ $ +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Carlo torna a casa, guarda sempre la=20 televisione."; +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Gli italiani bevono il vino a pranzo."; -225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando sar=E0 compleanno di Marco andremo tutti a casa=20 suo."; -225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Le lasagne, Antonio non li ha mangiate."; +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lo studente non =E8 andato a scuola perch=E9 non aveva f= atto=20 i compiti."; -225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Carla, il direttore desidera vederle subito."; -225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Franco ha detto che aspetta per il suo amico davanti al=20 bar."; +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Il vino bianco, il signor Rossi preferisce berlo=20 freddo.";$ -21 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Mario lavora, la sua ragazza lo vuole telefonare=20 spesso."; +52 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lucio prende sempre la macchina per andare=20 all'universit=E0."; +49 <% 60> "*"/ * "Antonio e Luisa si sono conosciuti durante una vacanza in= =20 montagna."; -30 <% 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Mario era bravo con lei, Luisa lo ha fatto un=20 regalo."; -97 <% 60> "*"/ * "A Paolo piacciono andare in discoteca."; Thanks for your help. Maurizio Santoro --part1_1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,
ANALYZE records ERs as 0.0 or 100.0. What can I do to solve the problem? Bel= ow is the first page of my item file.
< n 136 > <s 5>  <azk> <cr> <nfb> <ntl= >  
! this is an example;
$00 <ln -2 > "This is a grammaticality judgment task.",
       <ln -1> "Press RIGHT-SHIFT KEY i= f the sentence is correct.",
            &nbs= p;          "Press LEFT-SHIFT K= EY if it is incorrect.",
       <ln 1> "Respond as quickly &= accurately as you can.",
           <ln 2> "N= ow Press SPACEBAR to begin practice.";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Quando Antonio va al bar, incontra spesso il suo v= ecchio amico Luigi.";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "L'italiano, molti studenti lo studiano.";
-225 < % 60>"*"/ * " Che bella macchina! Marcello le ha comprata ieri.= ";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria non ha studiato abbastanza, ha rice= vuto un brutto voto.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Franco va in vacanza, invita spesso alla s= ua amica.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quel bambino somiglia davvero suo padre.";
+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Mario, sua mamma non gli ha creduto.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria lavora molto, il suo manager la ha= consigliato di riposarsi.";
+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Marco =E8 un ragazzo modello. Telefona a sua madr= e ogni giorno.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Luisa va al ristorante, voglio sempre mang= iare la pasta.";
00 "End of practice. Press SPACEBAR to begin experiment.";$
$ +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Carlo torna a casa, guarda sempre la tele= visione.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Gli italiani bevono il vino a pranzo.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando sar=E0 compleanno di Marco andremo tutti a=20= casa suo.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Le lasagne, Antonio non li ha mangiate.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lo studente non =E8 andato a scuola perch=E9 non a= veva fatto i compiti.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Carla, il direttore desidera vederle subito.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Franco ha detto che aspetta per il suo amico davan= ti al bar.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Il vino bianco, il signor Rossi preferisce berlo f= reddo.";$
-21 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Mario lavora, la sua ragazza lo vuole telefo= nare spesso.";
+52 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lucio prende sempre la macchina per andare all'univ= ersit=E0.";
+49 <% 60> "*"/ * "Antonio e Luisa si sono conosciuti durante una vaca= nza in montagna.";
-30 <% 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Mario era bravo con lei, Luisa lo ha fatto= un regalo.";
-97 <% 60> "*"/ * "A Paolo piacciono andare in discoteca.";

Thanks for your help.

Maurizio Santoro --part1_1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d_boundary-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 26 20:58:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0R3vLFJ021441 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:57:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D35A6A0D2 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:57:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB103A69BBE for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:57:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050126204859.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:52:47 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem In-Reply-To: <1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_293765796==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_293765796==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unless I'm mistaken stores all RTs at 0 or 1, if you don't want=20 this then that's the likely source of your problem. Otherwise your Analyze= =20 specification .SPC file is likely to be the culprit. At 07:13 PM 1/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, >ANALYZE records ERs as 0.0 or 100.0. What can I do to solve the problem?=20 >Below is the first page of my item file. >< n 136 > >! this is an example; >$00 "This is a grammaticality judgment task.", > "Press RIGHT-SHIFT KEY if the sentence is correct.", > "Press LEFT-SHIFT KEY if it is incorrect.", > "Respond as quickly & accurately as you can.", > "Now Press SPACEBAR to begin practice."; >+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Quando Antonio va al bar, incontra spesso il suo=20 >vecchio amico Luigi."; >+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "L'italiano, molti studenti lo studiano."; >-225 < % 60>"*"/ * " Che bella macchina! Marcello le ha comprata ieri."; >+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria non ha studiato abbastanza, ha ricevuto= =20 >un brutto voto."; >-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Franco va in vacanza, invita spesso alla sua=20 >amica."; >-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quel bambino somiglia davvero suo padre."; >+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Mario, sua mamma non gli ha creduto."; >-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria lavora molto, il suo manager la ha=20 >consigliato di riposarsi."; >+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Marco =E8 un ragazzo modello. Telefona a sua madre= ogni=20 >giorno."; >-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Luisa va al ristorante, voglio sempre mangiare= =20 >la pasta."; >00 "End of practice. Press SPACEBAR to begin experiment.";$ >$ +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Carlo torna a casa, guarda sempre la=20 >televisione."; >+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Gli italiani bevono il vino a pranzo."; >-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando sar=E0 compleanno di Marco andremo tutti a casa= =20 >suo."; >-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Le lasagne, Antonio non li ha mangiate."; >+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lo studente non =E8 andato a scuola perch=E9 non aveva= =20 >fatto i compiti."; >-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Carla, il direttore desidera vederle subito."; >-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Franco ha detto che aspetta per il suo amico davanti=20 >al bar."; >+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Il vino bianco, il signor Rossi preferisce berlo=20 >freddo.";$ >-21 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Mario lavora, la sua ragazza lo vuole telefonare= =20 >spesso."; >+52 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lucio prende sempre la macchina per andare=20 >all'universit=E0."; >+49 <% 60> "*"/ * "Antonio e Luisa si sono conosciuti durante una vacanza= =20 >in montagna."; >-30 <% 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Mario era bravo con lei, Luisa lo ha fatto un= =20 >regalo."; >-97 <% 60> "*"/ * "A Paolo piacciono andare in discoteca."; > >Thanks for your help. > >Maurizio Santoro /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Weinder's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. --=====================_293765796==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  Unless I'm mistaken <ntl> stores all RTs at 0 or 1, if you don't want this then that's the likely source of your problem.  Otherwise your Analyze specification .SPC file is likely to be the culprit.

At 07:13 PM 1/26/2005 -0500, you wrote:
Hi all,
ANALYZE records ERs as 0.0 or 100.0. What can I do to solve the problem? Below is the first page of my item file.
< n 136 > <s 5>  <azk> <cr> <nfb> <ntl>  
! this is an example;
$00 <ln -2 > "This is a grammaticality judgment task.",
       <ln -1> "Press RIGHT-SHIFT KEY if the sentence is correct.",
            &nbs= p;          "Press LEFT-SHIFT KEY if it is incorrect.",
       <ln 1> "Respond as quickly & accurately as you can.",
           <ln 2> "Now Press SPACEBAR to begin practice.";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Quando Antonio va al bar, incontra spesso il suo vecchio amico Luigi.";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "L'italiano, molti studenti lo studiano.";
-225 < % 60>"*"/ * " Che bella macchina! Marcello le ha comprata ieri.";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria non ha studiato abbastanza, ha ricevuto un brutto voto.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Franco va in vacanza, invita spesso alla sua amica.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quel bambino somiglia davvero suo padre.";
+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Mario, sua mamma non gli ha creduto.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria lavora molto, il suo manager la ha consigliato di riposarsi.";
+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Marco =E8 un ragazzo modello. Telefona a sua madre ogni giorno.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Luisa va al ristorante, voglio sempre mangiare la pasta.";
00 "End of practice. Press SPACEBAR to begin experiment.";$
$ +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Carlo torna a casa, guarda sempre la televisione.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Gli italiani bevono il vino a pranzo.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando sar=E0 compleanno di Marco andremo tutti a casa suo.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Le lasagne, Antonio non li ha mangiate.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lo studente non =E8 andato a scuola perch=E9 non aveva fatto i compiti.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Carla, il direttore desidera vederle subito.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Franco ha detto che aspetta per il suo amico davanti al bar.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Il vino bianco, il signor Rossi preferisce berlo freddo.";$
-21 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Mario lavora, la sua ragazza lo vuole telefonare spesso.";
+52 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lucio prende sempre la macchina per andare all'universit=E0.";
+49 <% 60> "*"/ * "Antonio e Luisa si sono conosciuti durante una vacanza in montagna.";
-30 <% 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Mario era bravo con lei, Luisa lo ha fatto un regalo.";
-97 <% 60> "*"/ * "A Paolo piacciono andare in discoteca.";

Thanks for your help.

Maurizio Santoro

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--=====================_293765796==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 26 22:56:39 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0R5uCFJ021772; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:56:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491B1A6A9FE; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:56:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD153A6965A; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:56:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050126225010.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:56:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050126204859.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:52 PM 1/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: > Unless I'm mistaken stores all RTs at 0 or 1, Duh, -1 or 1. The default Analyze cutoffs are going to make a complete mess of that because they're assuming RTs are in milliseconds, not the values true or false. was introduced back in the bad old 16 bit days when an RT of 32 seconds was the longest possible RT and someone wanted a longer RT than that. These days with the limit being a large part of a month is largely useless, surprises me how many people try to use it. If you want really long RTs set the time limit to something really big, like . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Weinder's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 27 06:41:30 2005 Received: from mailhub1.shef.ac.uk (mailhub1.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.9]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0RDLYFJ022539 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:21:34 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by mailhub1.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu9aV-0003Y6-1N for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:31 +0000 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1Cu9aU-0001fu-Tj for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:30 +0000 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:30 +0000 Message-ID: <1106832090.41f8eadad4dff@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:30 +0000 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX mailing list Subject: [DMDX] problem with .avi files MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, I'm trying to run an experiment using .jpg pictures and .avi movies. I got it running on my PC with DMDX 3.0.2.5 with no problems whatsoever. Yesterday I tried to get the same script to run on my laptop. It didn't work, no .jpg or .avi files would show. Now I have DMDX 3.1.2.1 on the laptop and the .jpg files work, but I get the following message as soon as an .avi file comes up: "failed to create sample. VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (88760250) The resource specified is no longer needed" What do I do now? I've tried downloading DMDX 3.0.4.3 (a suggestion from the mailing list archive), but I get 3.1.2.1 instead. Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 27 08:27:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0RFQpFJ022743 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:26:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E86A6B17D for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD0BA6B143 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:26:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050127082106.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:26:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem with .avi files In-Reply-To: <1106832090.41f8eadad4dff@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:21 PM 1/27/2005 +0000, you wrote: >"failed to create sample. VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (88760250) The resource >specified is no longer needed" Now, that's an interesting one, the windows video codec is complaining that there's more than it needs in the .AVI file, weird. >What do I do now? I've tried downloading DMDX 3.0.4.3 (a suggestion from the >mailing list archive), but I get 3.1.2.1 instead. It's not a DMDX version problem (as a side note vary rarely will an earlier version of DMDX be a better thing to use), it's a Video For Windows problem. Sometime in the past you've either upgraded the Media Player on that desktop machine or installed something else that's given it expanded capabilities w.r.t. .AVI files. You need to install whatever that was on the laptop too. If you can't recall what it was I recommend upgrading the Windows Media Player first as it upgrades a ton of different video related things. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Weinder's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 28 10:29:18 2005 Received: from elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (elf.ii.uj.edu.pl [149.156.65.17]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0SHRsFJ028273 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:27:55 -0700 Received: by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1641) id 470691100096D; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:27:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9C612C00489 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:27:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:27:49 +0100 From: Jakub Szewczyk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Other I/O cards Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello there, I have a question. I'm preparing an EEG ERP experiment, and thus I need to send triggers from DMDX to the program gathering the EEG signal (Biosemi ActiView). We do have a 32-bit PCI PnP IO card based on 8254 chip. Is there any chance DMDX will support output devices other than 8255-based ones? - Jakub From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 28 14:08:47 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0SL83FJ029522 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:08:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DB9A6C893 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC134A6A870 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:07:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050128140352.00ba4bb8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:07:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Other I/O cards In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:27 PM 1/28/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hello there, > > I have a question. I'm preparing an EEG ERP experiment, and thus I need to >send triggers from DMDX to the program gathering the EEG signal (Biosemi >ActiView). We do have a 32-bit PCI PnP IO card based on 8254 chip. Is there >any chance DMDX will support output devices other than 8255-based ones? It currently only supports Measurement Computing and Keithley interface cards. Any other types of cards will require someone sponsoring their addition to DMDX unless there are DirectX drivers for the cards (unlikely as we've yet to see any instances of DirectX drivers for interface cards). /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Expertise in one field does not carry over into other fields. But experts often think so. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 1 02:28:20 2005 Received: from web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.57]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j119R8FJ011522 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 02:27:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 56658 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2005 09:27:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20050201092703.56656.qmail@web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [84.67.93.228] by web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:27:03 GMT Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:27:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Nicholas Riches Subject: [DMDX] Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program To: dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1775262743-1107250023=:56645" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1775262743-1107250023=:56645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response (I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and then remap them again? Many thanks Nick Riches Kings College London --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --0-1775262743-1107250023=:56645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi
 
I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response (I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). I've used the command <UnMapButton Space> (umb for short),  to do this (on its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and then remap them again?
 
Many thanks
 
Nick Riches
 
Kings College London

ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --0-1775262743-1107250023=:56645-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 1 08:24:26 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j11FNrFJ012500 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7F8A6F3A7 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D7CA6F448 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050201081606.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:23:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program In-Reply-To: <20050201092703.56656.qmail@web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response >(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be >able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in >the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and >then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject >answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). >I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on >its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like >at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of >line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and >then remap them again? Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before it. You've probably got: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; You need: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit instead and then map the space bar back again. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You stop believing in Santa Claus is when you start getting clothes for Christmas. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 2 02:28:15 2005 Received: from web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j129R2FJ015826 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:27:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 15266 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2005 09:26:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20050202092656.15264.qmail@web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [84.66.206.38] by web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:26:56 GMT Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:26:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Nicholas Riches Subject: [DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050201081606.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1301755719-1107336416=:12869" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1301755719-1107336416=:12869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for that. I'll give it a try. Nick "j.c.f." wrote: At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response >(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be >able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in >the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and >then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject >answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). >I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on >its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like >at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of >line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and >then remap them again? Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before it. You've probably got: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; You need: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit instead and then map the space bar back again. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You stop believing in Santa Claus is when you start getting clothes for Christmas. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== Dr Nick Riches 14 Swinfield Ave, Chorlton, Manchester M21 9FU Tel: 0161 861 9193 Mobile: 07713 632 701 --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Thanks for that. I'll give it a try.
 
Nick

"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi
>
>I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response
>(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be
>able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in
>the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and
>then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject
>answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort).
>I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on
>its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like
>at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of
>line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and
>then remap them again?

Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before
it. You've probably got:

+10 "frame" * ;
+11 "frame" * ;

You need:

+10 "frame" * ;
+11 "frame" * ;

However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily
map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit
instead and then map the space bar back again.
/"\
-jonathan (j.c.f.) \ /
X
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Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --0-1301755719-1107336416=:12869-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 2 08:27:59 2005 Received: from mailhub1.shef.ac.uk (mailhub1.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.9]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j12FROFJ016821 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:27:25 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by mailhub1.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwMPZ-0005qg-1A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:27:21 +0000 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1CwMPY-00015P-IO for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:27:20 +0000 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:27:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1107358040.4200f158802cc@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:27:20 +0000 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem with .avi files References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050127082106.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050127082106.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, My laptop had the latest version of Windows Media Player and there was nothing I could do to get the videos to work. In the archives (http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=1421802), I found a similar problem with avi files not playing and you suggested using something higher than Windows 98 (which is weird because my PC has Windows 98 and was perfectly happy to display the avi files---unfortunately I can't run my experiments on my own PC). So I tried that on another PC with XP and it works---but I had to change the format of the avi files to be compatible with Windows Media Player Version 9. Thanks for your help, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting "j.c.f." : > At 01:21 PM 1/27/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >"failed to create sample. VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (88760250) The resource > >specified is no longer needed" > > Now, that's an interesting one, the windows video codec is complaining > that there's more than it needs in the .AVI file, weird. > > > >What do I do now? I've tried downloading DMDX 3.0.4.3 (a suggestion from > the > >mailing list archive), but I get 3.1.2.1 instead. > > It's not a DMDX version problem (as a side note vary rarely will an > earlier version of DMDX be a better thing to use), it's a Video For Windows > problem. Sometime in the past you've either upgraded the Media Player on > that desktop machine or installed something else that's given it expanded > capabilities w.r.t. .AVI files. You need to install whatever that was on > the laptop too. If you can't recall what it was I recommend upgrading the > Windows Media Player first as it upgrades a ton of different video related > things. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Weinder's Law of Libraries: > There are no answers, only cross-references. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 8 06:53:55 2005 Received: from web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.53]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j18DqXFJ012241 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:52:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 31831 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2005 13:52:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050208135227.31829.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [84.66.5.155] by web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:52:27 GMT Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:52:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Nicholas Riches Subject: [DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050201081606.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-970056959-1107870747=:31775" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-970056959-1107870747=:31775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, The advice you gave me about unmapping buttons doesn't appear to be working. The line reads +11 * "monkey" ; I get an error message which says "misplaced parameter keyword." Do you know if there's any way around this? Many thanks Nick Riches "j.c.f." wrote: At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response >(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be >able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in >the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and >then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject >answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). >I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on >its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like >at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of >line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and >then remap them again? Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before it. You've probably got: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; You need: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit instead and then map the space bar back again. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You stop believing in Santa Claus is when you start getting clothes for Christmas. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Hi,
 
The advice you gave me about unmapping buttons doesn't appear to be working. The line reads
 
+11 *<wav 2> "monkey" <aikn +Q>;
 
I get an error message which says "misplaced parameter keyword."
 
Do you know if there's any way around this?
Many thanks
 
Nick Riches

"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi
>
>I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response
>(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be
>able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in
>the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and
>then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject
>answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort).
>I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on
>its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like
>at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of
>line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and
>then remap them again?

Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before
it. You've probably got:

+10 "frame" * ;
+11 "frame" * ;

You need:

+10 "frame" * ;
+11 "frame" * ;

However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily
map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit
instead and then map the space bar back again.
/"\
-jonathan (j.c.f.) \ /
X
ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \

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Subject: [DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program In-Reply-To: <20050208135227.31829.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050201081606.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:52 PM 2/8/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >The advice you gave me about unmapping buttons doesn't appear to be >working. The line reads > >+11 * "monkey" ; > >I get an error message which says "misplaced parameter keyword." > >Do you know if there's any way around this? Oh, must only be a parameter. I'll compile a new version later today. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 8 14:08:20 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j18L7XFJ014407 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:07:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F625A78FFA for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:07:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115A5A78841 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:07:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050208140549.00ba4a98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:07:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. 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From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 10 08:21:34 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1AFKqFJ022166; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DC8A7BC35; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724D2A7C03B; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050210081951.00ba4758@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX on a Dell Inspiron 6000 In-Reply-To: <1108033975.420b41b800022@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:12 PM 2/10/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hello fellow DMDXers! > >I am contemplating purchasing a Dell Inspiron 6000, however I am slightly >worried by the fact that the graphics card is listed as "Intel Media >Accelerator 900". Has anyone managed to use DMDX on such a laptop? All >comments warmly welcomed. Yeah, I think we have one upstairs that's running DMDX well. I'll check later on today. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 11 10:36:46 2005 Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1BHZCFJ027993 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:35:12 -0700 Received: from ncsb.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.100]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Czeh7-0004B3-Qv for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:35:07 +0000 Received: from coracle.psy.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.60.205] helo=coracle.psy-staff.psy.bris.ac.uk) by ncsb.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.44) id 1Czeh7-0007Eo-Nh for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:35:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:35:05 +0000 From: "CJ Davis, Experimental Psychology" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] modifying the refresh rate Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I'd like to run a masked priming experiment in which the prime duration is 33 ms. But I'm using DMDX on a (Win 2000) setup which has a refresh rate of 13.33 ms, so the closest I can get is either 27 ms or 40 ms. On DMASTR it used to be possible to change the number of screen lines in order to reduce the refresh rate. TimeDX has an option to modify the number of screen lines, but it seems to make the program crash (even if I change the number by one unit). Is there some way that I can either reduce or increase the refresh rate? Thanks, Colin ---------------------- Dr. Colin J Davis, Dept. of Experimental Psychology, University of Bristol, 8 Woodland Rd, Bristol BS8 1TN Colin.Davis@bristol.ac.uk ph. +44 (0117) 928 9199 fax +44 (0117) 928 8588 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 11 16:32:06 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1BNUxFJ030222 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:30:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272DCA7D58E for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1666A79AB1 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:30:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211162615.00ba4c98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:30:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: modifying the refresh rate In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:35 PM 2/11/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'd like to run a masked priming experiment in which the prime duration is >33 ms. But I'm using DMDX on a (Win 2000) setup which has a refresh rate >of 13.33 ms, so the closest I can get is either 27 ms or 40 ms. On DMASTR >it used to be possible to change the number of screen lines in order to >reduce the refresh rate. TimeDX has an option to modify the number of >screen lines, but it seems to make the program crash (even if I change the >number by one unit). Is there some way that I can either reduce or >increase the refresh rate? Not under Windows XP/2k/NT. I'm surprised it even lets you, pretty sure there's code in there to disallow it. You can pick other display dimensions that might have a different refresh rate or you should be able to pick faster refresh rates that might let you come closer but changing the number of lines used with another video mode is no longer an option. If you aren't seeing other refresh rates then it's possible you need later display drivers, a later operating system or a better video card and or a better monitor. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #36. Bacteria need vitamin B. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 11 21:50:53 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1C4nqFJ030988 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:49:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A13A7E0DA for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:49:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D22A7E0B1 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:49:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:49:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Dell Inspiron's and Intel Graphics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Turns out we don't have an Inspiron 6000 upstairs but instead have a 1000 or 1100 instead. Still has an Intel graphics chip in it though and the more I think about it the less trouble I ever recall DMDX having with the Intel devices. In fact they're almost my recommended thing these days, Intel aren't obsessed like Nvidia and ATI with absurdly good 3D bench marks so their drivers are solid and every time I can think of recently that DMDX has run on one of their chipsets it's been without any shenanigans at all. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 13 18:19:24 2005 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1E0rhFJ004873 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:53:44 -0700 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-POST-1.9) with ESMTP id j1E0rffK024467 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:53:42 +1100 (EST) Received: from ITP14448 ([137.154.107.236]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-PRE-1.9) with ESMTP id j1E0rewF024385; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:53:40 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200502140053.j1E0rewF024385@cooper.uws.edu.au> From: "Arman Abrahamyan" To: Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:53:34 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \ +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ ----- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 00:33:15 2005 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1E7UrFJ005823 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:30:54 -0700 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCE914C01B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:30:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie by localhost.localdomain (VaMailArmor-2.0.1.16) id 20906-36823349; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:30:46 +0000 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808D414C01B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:30:45 +0000 (GMT) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:31:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200502140053.j1E0rewF024385@cooper.uws.edu.au> Message-Id: <20050214073045.808D414C01B@smtp3.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 ... +1 * "y", "top", "left" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \ +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 02:29:37 2005 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1E9SwFJ006115 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:28:58 -0700 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-POST-1.9) with ESMTP id j1E9SvfK000550 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:28:57 +1100 (EST) Received: from ITP14448 ([137.154.115.27]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-PRE-1.9) with ESMTP id j1E9SuwF000532 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:28:56 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200502140928.j1E9SuwF000532@cooper.uws.edu.au> From: "Arman Abrahamyan" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:28:49 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050214073045.808D414C01B@smtp3.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message "Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is "Space". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get "No Response" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 .. +1 * "y", "top", "left" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \ +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 02:48:46 2005 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1E9mYFJ006206 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:48:34 -0700 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2F414C01B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:48:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie by localhost.localdomain (VaMailArmor-2.0.1.16) id 07230-6F4F2260; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:48:28 +0000 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D42E14C01B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:48:28 +0000 (GMT) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au] Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200502140928.j1E9SuwF000532@cooper.uws.edu.au> Message-Id: <20050214094828.5D42E14C01B@smtp3.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Arman, In the DMDX help file, under DMDX help, input, I found the below info. Looks like the space bar is already been mapped as a "REQUEST". KEYBOARD +Space REQUEST +Left Shift NEG_RESP +Right Shift POS_RESP Not entirely sure what a request is, but try unmapping it first (in the header code at top of dmdx script) using the below function. Un-Map Request Keyword Parameter and switch to unmap all button mappings to the request input. Cheers, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 09:29 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message "Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is "Space". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get "No Response" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 . +1 * "y", "top", "left" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \ +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 03:37:01 2005 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1EAaMFJ006333 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:36:23 -0700 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-POST-1.9) with ESMTP id j1EAaLfK027548 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:36:21 +1100 (EST) Received: from ITP14448 ([137.154.115.27]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-PRE-1.9) with ESMTP id j1EAaLwF027505 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:36:21 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200502141036.j1EAaLwF027505@cooper.uws.edu.au> From: "Arman Abrahamyan" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:36:14 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050214094828.5D42E14C01B@smtp3.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Andy, Program works smoothly after unmapping the space bar from REQUEST and mapping it as a NEG_RESP. Thanks for your time and help ! Cheers, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:49 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au] Hi Arman, In the DMDX help file, under DMDX help, input, I found the below info. Looks like the space bar is already been mapped as a "REQUEST". KEYBOARD +Space REQUEST +Left Shift NEG_RESP +Right Shift POS_RESP Not entirely sure what a request is, but try unmapping it first (in the header code at top of dmdx script) using the below function. Un-Map Request Keyword Parameter and switch to unmap all button mappings to the request input. Cheers, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 09:29 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message "Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is "Space". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get "No Response" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 03:38:58 2005 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1EAcsFJ006356 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:38:54 -0700 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EDE14C029 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:38:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie by localhost.localdomain (VaMailArmor-2.0.1.16) id 23364-7C506EF6; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:38:47 +0000 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2007814C01E for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:38:47 +0000 (GMT) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au] Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:39:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050214103847.2007814C01E@smtp3.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Excuse my previous ramblings! The code below works on my machine: +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ Best, Andy. PS I've mapped the response to the g button, but this may be unnecessary. -----Original Message----- From: Andy [mailto:woodsat@tcd.ie] Sent: 14 February 2005 09:49 To: 'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu' Subject: [DMDX] Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au] Hi Arman, In the DMDX help file, under DMDX help, input, I found the below info. Looks like the space bar is already been mapped as a "REQUEST". KEYBOARD +Space REQUEST +Left Shift NEG_RESP +Right Shift POS_RESP Not entirely sure what a request is, but try unmapping it first (in the header code at top of dmdx script) using the below function. Un-Map Request Keyword Parameter and switch to unmap all button mappings to the request input. Cheers, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 09:29 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message "Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is "Space". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get "No Response" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 . +1 * "y", "top", "left" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \ +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 14:51:59 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f6.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1ELpIFJ009135 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:51:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:51:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 128.196.62.38 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:50:45 GMT From: "Sarah Orjada" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] tachistoscopic presentation script? Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:50:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hello- i'm planning a study that i'll outline: there will be a paragraph of context presented line by line, for which i need to record reading time for the final sentence of each paragraph. then a word will be presented tachistoscopically to a visual field. the subject is then to answer yes or no using a key pad response whether the presented word "goes with" the previous context. my question is...is there a script that has been already written to use in DMDX for something similar? in particular, i need to make sure the timing of the tach. presentation is perfect, as well as the placement of the word in a specific part of the visual field. if something has already been designed, i'm guessing that it might be of higher quality than were i to write the script myself. thanks, sarah From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 17:30:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1F0TbFJ009859 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCEAA7DE66 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from KIFXP (mfg.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.29]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F049EA804CD for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:36 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: tachistoscopic presentation script? Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:45 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c512f5$72d0c820$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Sara, I don't know of any existing script, but the following should do what you want. --k.i.f. 0 "Instructions"; 0 "Press the spacebar to continue."; =1 *"The boy went behind the desk"; =2 *"and found an old typewriter,"; =3 *"which he dropped out of the window"; =4 *"which was on the seventh floor."; +5 %20 / %3 *" CRASH"/ ; ! This is a left field - right-field contrast; 0 "Press the spacebar to continue."; ! The left field version would look like this"; +5 %20 / %3 *"CRASH "/ ; 0 "Press the spacebar to continue."; ! If you want fancier positioning, then you need to use the x-y co-ordinates. For example--"; +5 %20 / %3 * "CRASH"/ ; 0 "Press the spacebar to continue."; +5 %20 / %3 * "CRASH"/ ; ! See the help file for details.; 0 "That's the end. Thank you!"; > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Sarah Orjada > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:51 PM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] tachistoscopic presentation script? > > hello- > i'm planning a study that i'll outline: > there will be a paragraph of context presented line by line, for which i > need to record reading time for the final sentence of each paragraph. then > a > word will be presented tachistoscopically to a visual field. the subject > is > then to answer yes or no using a key pad response whether the presented > word > "goes with" the previous context. > my question is...is there a script that has been already written to use in > DMDX for something similar? in particular, i need to make sure the timing > of > the tach. presentation is perfect, as well as the placement of the word in > a > specific part of the visual field. if something has already been designed, > i'm guessing that it might be of higher quality than were i to write the > script myself. > thanks, > sarah > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 16 06:55:25 2005 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de (fmmailgate04.web.de [217.72.192.242]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1GDroFJ018400 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:53:51 -0700 Received: by fmmailgate04.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id j1GDrc2S002737 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:53:47 +0100 Received: from [134.147.103.4] by freemailng1604.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:53:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:53:42 +0100 Message-Id: <555488932@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "tanya dolis" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] maze command line/ randomization Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ! Practice Items =1 *" This"/; -1 *" information cars"; +1 *" wet must"; +1 *" rabbit be"; -1 *" kept bed"; +1 *" sanitation. secret."; this is the command line and first practice item for my maze experiment. i find myself confronted with several problems: 1. the first word- "this"- does not get displayed. 2. i don't really know how to randomize all real items but not the practice items. i first thought that i' d group the practice items together and then have them be the seed for the randomization but then from what i have understood the randomized order would stay the same for all items which is unwanted. thank you for your help, tanya dolis ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 16 09:19:28 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1GGJ1FJ019197 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:19:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84310A81320 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from KIFXP (mfg.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.29]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5B0A7CA49 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:18:55 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: maze command line/ randomization Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c51443$3c551360$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <555488932@web.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Tanya, > > > > ! Practice Items > > =1 *" This"/; > -1 *" information cars"; > +1 *" wet must"; > +1 *" rabbit be"; > -1 *" kept bed"; > +1 *" sanitation. secret."; > > this is the command line and first practice item for my maze experiment. i > find myself confronted with several problems: > > 1. the first word- "this"- does not get displayed. The forward slash schedules a blank frame which erases the previous frame, where "This" would appear. You don't see it because there is no default frame duration, e.g., . But you don't need it -- you want the word to stay on the screen until the subject responds. > 2. i don't really know how to randomize all real items but not the > practice items. i first thought that i' d group the practice items > together and then have them be the seed for the randomization but then > from what i have understood the randomized order would stay the same for > all items which is unwanted. If you insert a $ sign before a group of items, and again at the end, those items appear in that position in a fixed sequence. But if you scramble a MAZE file, the individual items that make up the sentence will get scrambled. One way to cope is to set a grouping factor, e.g., . This effectively defines a group of 12 items to be a single item as far as scrambling is concerned. This means you'd have to make all your sentences the same length (12 words in this case). If some are shorter, you can include "dummy" items, such as in the following: =1 *" This"; -2 *" information cars"; +3 *" wet must"; +4 *" rabbit be"; -5 *" kept bed"; +6 *" sanitation. secret."; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; These are "instructions" that don't display anything. The "c" is necessary to reinstate continuous running so that DMDX goes on to the next item without waiting. So, if you had 20 sentences, you'd include on the parameter line. There are more sophisticated procedures that achieve the same effect. I have developed an Excel template for constructing MAZE files. If you are interested let me know (mail to me not the list). --k.i.f. > > thank you for your help, > > tanya dolis > ______________________________________________________________ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 16 11:48:19 2005 Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1GIlXFJ020046 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:47:33 -0700 Received: from ncs.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.36]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D1UCp-0000cw-Ew for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:25 +0000 Received: from coracle.psy.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.60.205] helo=coracle.psy-staff.psy.bris.ac.uk) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.44) id 1D1UCo-0005MV-Q1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:22 +0000 From: "CJ Davis, Experimental Psychology" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] enhanced rate detection test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, Thanks for replies to my previous message about choosing different refresh rates -- I've now discovered that a new video card was required (we got a Sapphire Radeon 7000). My next question concerns the Enh. Retrace test in TimeDX. As I understand it, this is the gold standard: if the screen is split into two (stationary) equal halves, then the estimated refresh rate is correct (even if there are some timed out traces). The two halves should be red and blue. However, on some computers (using 8 bit color depth), I find that the two halves are red and black. Does this matter? Thanks, Colin ---------------------- Dr. Colin J Davis, Dept. of Experimental Psychology, University of Bristol, 8 Woodland Rd, Bristol BS8 1TN Colin.Davis@bristol.ac.uk ph. +44 (0117) 928 9199 fax +44 (0117) 928 8588 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 16 14:42:16 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1GLfwFJ020754 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3921CA7741C for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3ABEA8216B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050216144133.00ba4dd8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: enhanced rate detection test In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:47 PM 2/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >Thanks for replies to my previous message about choosing different refresh >rates -- I've now discovered that a new video card was required (we got a >Sapphire Radeon 7000). My next question concerns the Enh. Retrace test in >TimeDX. As I understand it, this is the gold standard: if the screen is >split into two (stationary) equal halves, then the estimated refresh rate >is correct (even if there are some timed out traces). The two halves >should be red and blue. However, on some computers (using 8 bit color >depth), I find that the two halves are red and black. Does this matter? Yes. Don't use 8 bit video modes. 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From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 17 07:32:49 2005 Received: from mailscan.ird.ub.es (mailscan.ird.ub.es [161.116.100.74]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1HEVhFJ023103 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:31:43 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost) by mailscan.ird.ub.es with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D1mgp-0006gT-24 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:35 +0100 Received: from mailscan.ird.ub.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailscanfrom.ird.ub.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 20024) with ESMTP id 14912-04 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from romani.ird.ub.es ([161.116.100.100]) by mailscan.ird.ub.es with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D1mgo-0006fs-Ul for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:34 +0100 Received: from ub218050.ub.edu ([161.116.218.50]) by mail2.ub.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPPA id <0IC200NKS8CP2B@mail2.ub.edu>; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:34 +0100 From: Salvador Soto Subject: [DMDX] Refresh rates above 85Hz and AVI files To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050217152339.02a03e80@mailper.ub.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Here's two questions for the list. (1) I am using a monitor which I positively know it can work at a refresh rate of 120Hz. However, when using TimeDX, the higher refresh rates available are 85Hz for several of the video modes. Is that a limitation of DMDX? How can I get to faster refresh frequencies? (2) I am using video (.AVI) files recorded at a 40 ms / frame rate (the European standard). If my refresh rate is, say, 11.67. How does the system deals with the offset? Will it present the frames for slightly longer/shorter time (i.e., 46.7 ms / 35 ms) and then skip a frame from now and then to re-synch? Is there any way to know exactly what is happening? Thank you very much in advance, and sorry if these questions have been already asked before. I am currently browsing the message database bye Thank you very much salva Salvador Soto Faraco Phone: +34 93 3125158 Cognitive Neuroscience Group Fax: +34 93 4021363 Departament de Psicologia Bàsica Universitat de Barcelona Pg. Vall d'Hebron, 171 08035 - Barcelona, SPAIN From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 17 08:16:37 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1HFGSFJ023232 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E0EA699A4 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F56DA80F62 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217081100.00ba4730@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Refresh rates above 85Hz and AVI files In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050217152339.02a03e80@mailper.ub.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:31 PM 2/17/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Here's two questions for the list. > >(1) I am using a monitor which I positively know it can work at a refresh >rate of 120Hz. However, when using TimeDX, the higher refresh rates >available are 85Hz for several of the video modes. Is that a limitation of >DMDX? How can I get to faster refresh frequencies? DMDX just exposes what the video drivers decide are the available video modes. Be aware that just because a monitor can go at 120Hz in one video mode doesn't mean it can go at 120Hz in all video modes. Monitors also have limitations on the horizontal frequency and that limits the higher video modes more than vertical frequency does. Your video card can also be a limitation. >(2) I am using video (.AVI) files recorded at a 40 ms / frame rate (the >European standard). If my refresh rate is, say, 11.67. How does the system >deals with the offset? Will it present the frames for slightly >longer/shorter time (i.e., 46.7 ms / 35 ms) and then skip a frame from now >and then to re-synch? Is there any way to know exactly what is happening? You would have to talk to the makers of the video codec that is rendering your .AVI file. Basically it drops frames and all resorts to sorts of chicanery to get a good output. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 17 09:57:35 2005 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1HGv9FJ023861 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:57:10 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HGv7f18461 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:57:07 +1100 Received: from 193.63.253.250 ( [193.63.253.250]) as user awoollam@currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au by www.maccs.mq.edu.au with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:57:07 +1100 Message-ID: <1108659427.4214cce3927e6@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:57:07 +1100 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dell Inspiron's and Intel Graphics References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathan, > Turns out we don't have an Inspiron 6000 upstairs but instead have a > 1000 or 1100 instead. Still has an Intel graphics chip in it though and > the more I think about it the less trouble I ever recall DMDX having with > the Intel devices. In fact they're almost my recommended thing these days, > Intel aren't obsessed like Nvidia and ATI with absurdly good 3D bench marks > so their drivers are solid and every time I can think of recently that DMDX > has run on one of their chipsets it's been without any shenanigans at all. Many thanks indeed for checking, and for the reassuring information concerning the Intel graphics chip - both are very much appreciated. I have now ordered the Inspiron 6000, so will let you know how I get on... Best wishes, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 17 11:37:03 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1HIaPFJ024505 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:36:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2A3A82806 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:36:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340A4A812BB for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:36:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217105535.00ba4d50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:36:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dell Inspiron's and Intel Graphics In-Reply-To: <1108659427.4214cce3927e6@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:57 AM 2/18/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan, > > > Turns out we don't have an Inspiron 6000 upstairs but instead have a > > 1000 or 1100 instead. Still has an Intel graphics chip in it though and > > the more I think about it the less trouble I ever recall DMDX having with > > the Intel devices. In fact they're almost my recommended thing these days, > > Intel aren't obsessed like Nvidia and ATI with absurdly good 3D bench marks > > so their drivers are solid and every time I can think of recently that DMDX > > has run on one of their chipsets it's been without any shenanigans at all. > >Many thanks indeed for checking, and for the reassuring information >concerning >the Intel graphics chip - both are very much appreciated. I have now ordered >the Inspiron 6000, so will let you know how I get on... Even if it's cantankerous almost anything can be made to work these days. Between the Refresh Rate Determination's Read Between Flips To Stop Cheating Drivers and the shortcuts that reduce the number of back buffers that DMDX requests all modern cards will work. The older hardware is likewise ok, the exceptions tend to be machines that are generally screwed up with spyware and all manner of nasties. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #36. Bacteria need vitamin B. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 18 13:52:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1IKobFJ031234 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FAEA8271A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA08A7E2FB for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050218134650.00ba4ea0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list 3.1.2.4 fixes the last couple of registry keys that DMDX uses for restricted privilege environments. Should fix errors w.r.t. the LastUsedItemFile registry key. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It's not a REAL sponge cake unless you've borrowed all the ingredients. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Feb 19 12:49:51 2005 Received: from langate.gsu.edu (langate.gsu.edu [131.96.2.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1JJmkFJ002526 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:48:47 -0700 Received: from mailsrv21.gsu.edu not authenticated [131.96.2.14] by langate.gsu.edu with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.22.1.5 $ on Novell NetWare; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:48:46 -0500 Received: from IAGATE2-MTA by mailsrv21.gsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:48:43 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:48:37 -0500 From: "Nan Jiang" To: Subject: [DMDX] error rates and excluding participants Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I was looking at the error rate on individual items in an ism file and can't understand some of the error rates. Here are the examples. 1164 9.1 -73 <% 30> "*"/ * "slight fork"; 1209 13.6 -74 <% 30> "*"/ * "breath attack"; 1149 0.0 -75 <% 30> "*"/ * "lose stimulus"; 1026 4.5 -76 <% 30> "*"/ * "prove cabin"; 1200 5.3 -77 <% 30> "*"/ * "stay sign"; 1141 5.0 -78 <% 30> "*"/ * "spin wire"; I had 22 participants. The first error rate is easy to understand. 2 out of 22 was 9.1%. 13.6% is 3, and 4.5% is 1. But what about 5.3%, 5.0%. How can I get an error rate like this if it is the number of participants with incorrect responses divided by the total number of participants? Do I miss something here? An unrelated question: is there any way to exclude a perticular participant in analysis other than manually removing this person's data in the azk file? I understand I can automantically exclude participants with high error rates by specifying an error rate in the spc file, but how about a participant with low ER? I need to do so because the participants completed two tasks and some made high error rates in one task and I want to exclude them from both tasks. Best, Nan Jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Feb 19 15:56:06 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1JMseFJ002995 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:54:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B47FA80399 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:54:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34F9A7F22A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:54:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050219155054.00ba45d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:54:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: error rates and excluding participants In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:48 PM 2/19/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I was looking at the error rate on individual items in an ism file and >can't understand some of the error rates. Here are the examples. > 1164 9.1 -73 <% 30> "*"/ * "slight fork"; > 1209 13.6 -74 <% 30> "*"/ * "breath attack"; > 1149 0.0 -75 <% 30> "*"/ * "lose stimulus"; > 1026 4.5 -76 <% 30> "*"/ * "prove cabin"; > 1200 5.3 -77 <% 30> "*"/ * "stay sign"; > 1141 5.0 -78 <% 30> "*"/ * "spin wire"; >I had 22 participants. The first error rate is easy to understand. 2 out >of 22 was 9.1%. 13.6% is 3, and 4.5% is 1. But what about 5.3%, 5.0%. >How can I get an error rate like this if it is the number of >participants with incorrect responses divided by the total number of >participants? Do I miss something here? How many items were rejected? N is different if cutoffs are applied. >An unrelated question: is there any way to exclude a perticular >participant in analysis other than manually removing this person's data >in the azk file? I understand I can automantically exclude participants >with high error rates by specifying an error rate in the spc file, but >how about a participant with low ER? I need to do so because the >participants completed two tasks and some made high error rates in one >task and I want to exclude them from both tasks. Besides sticking all the data in one AZK file and having both sets of conditions in the SPC file I can't think of a way to do it without editing the data files. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." - David Guaspari From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 20 22:36:57 2005 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu (broadway.montclair.edu [130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1L5ZCFJ007492 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:35:12 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IC8005XTY6IQV@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.68.2.33] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:35:06 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:35:06 -0800 From: Joanna Musial Subject: [DMDX] DMDX and SPSS To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <806e3c802f2c.802f2c806e3c@montclair.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I would like to import my data from DMDX file into SPSS file. I have my data saved in .txt format, but still I don't know how to do it. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks, Joanna From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 22 08:28:43 2005 Received: from web51006.mail.yahoo.com (web51006.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.137]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j1MFBbFJ012669 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:11:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 7781 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2005 15:11:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20050222151132.7779.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.230.95.90] by web51006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:11:32 PST Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jackie Holloway Subject: [DMDX] recording responses while mpeg is running To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I am fairly new to the DMDX world and I am trying to run a program with a video clip for an experiment concerning event perception. I need to have the subjects making responses while the video is running. Is it possible to record their responses while the clip is running? Will the data come out in the .zil or .azk file? Thanks! -Jackie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 22 08:48:11 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1MFZcFJ012793 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:35:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A64A6E693 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:35:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D496DA83402 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:35:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050222083501.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:35:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: recording responses while mpeg is running In-Reply-To: <20050222151132.7779.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:11 AM 2/22/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all, >I am fairly new to the DMDX world and I am trying to >run a program with a video clip for an experiment >concerning event perception. I need to have the >subjects making responses while the video is running. >Is it possible to record their responses while the >clip is running? Will the data come out in the .zil >or .azk file? Yes. There's even a special keyword for turning the clock on at a given frame in the mpeg. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." - David Guaspari From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 23 14:49:12 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1NLltFJ019894 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:47:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FA1A81C17 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:47:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA33A813F4; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:47:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050223144400.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:47:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 3.1.2.5 fixes another sscanf() caused crash. Pretty amazing that it's managed to stay hidden all this time as the previous sscanf() caused crashes were fixed almost exactly two years ago to the day. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 07:03:42 2005 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de (fmmailgate04.web.de [217.72.192.242]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1OE30FJ022926 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:03:00 -0700 Received: by fmmailgate04.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id j1OE2t2M019598 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:02:56 +0100 Received: from [134.147.103.4] by freemailng1603.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:02:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:02:52 +0100 Message-Id: <564946378@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "tanya dolis" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] maze task-read error Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hallo, when running a syntax check dmdx isn't able to read the last line of the experiment. here it is: $ =57 * " That"c; -57 * "myth folks"c; -57 * " still chains"c; +57 * " air exists"c; -57 * " in aunt"c; +57 * " paper the"c; +57 * " mother southern"c; +57 *" watch. States."c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; $ 0! "End."; also i am not sure about how to abort an item after a wrong answer because from what i understood one should use the keyword and then tell the program with which item it shall continue but that would make a randomization hard, wouldn't it? or is that why in other maze task many sentences have the same item number? thank you very much for your help, tanya dolis ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 08:22:40 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1OFLoFJ023198 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:21:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75570A83778 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:21:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF4DA83917 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:21:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050224081648.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:21:47 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: maze task-read error In-Reply-To: <564946378@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:02 PM 2/24/2005 +0100, you wrote: >hallo, > >when running a syntax check dmdx isn't able to read the last line of the >experiment. here it is: >$ >=57 * " That"c; >-57 * "myth folks"c; >-57 * " still chains"c; >+57 * " air exists"c; >-57 * " in aunt"c; >+57 * " paper the"c; >+57 * " mother southern"c; >+57 *" watch. States."c; >0 c; >0 c; >0 c; >0 c; >$ > >0! "End."; That's the item file before the scramble, it's not what DMDX is having trouble reading. Look at the file scrambled.itm (probably in c:\program files\dmdx), it contains the results of the scramble. Your problem probably stems from the fact that you've got the wrong things locked down between pairs of $ signs, usually one would be locking the end of the experiment, not the contents: =57 * " That"c; -57 * "myth folks"c; -57 * " still chains"c; +57 * " air exists"c; -57 * " in aunt"c; +57 * " paper the"c; +57 * " mother southern"c; +57 *" watch. States."c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; $ 0! "End."; $ >also i am not sure about how to abort an item after a wrong answer because >from what i understood one should use the keyword and then tell >the program with which item it shall continue but that would make a >randomization hard, wouldn't it? I include dummy items in those instances: =57 * " That"c ; -57 * "myth folks"c ; -57 * " still chains"c ; +57 * " air exists"c ; -57 * " in aunt"c ; +57 * " paper the"c ; +57 * " mother southern"c ; +57 *" watch. States."c ; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; ~999 c; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." - David Guaspari From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 08:51:21 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1OFpBFJ023355 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:51:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF02CA83966 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:51:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from KIFXP (mfg.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.29]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866BDA7F508 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:51:11 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: maze task-read error Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:51:11 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c51a88$aa88e5a0$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <564946378@web.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > > when running a syntax check dmdx isn't able to read the last line of the > experiment. here it is: > $ > =57 * " That"c; > -57 * "myth folks"c; > -57 * " still chains"c; > +57 * " air exists"c; > -57 * " in aunt"c; > +57 * " paper the"c; > +57 * " mother southern"c; > +57 *" watch. States."c; > 0 c; > 0 c; > 0 c; > 0 c; > $ > > 0! "End."; The last item in a file should be an instruction enclosed in dollars, to make sure that the scrambling doesn't move it. Thus: $0 "Thank you. That's the end.";$ Also, you shouldn't use the !. That is an instruction to DMDX to ignore what follows. > > also i am not sure about how to abort an item after a wrong answer because > from what i understood one should use the keyword and then tell > the program with which item it shall continue but that would make a > randomization hard, wouldn't it? or is that why in other maze task many > sentences have the same item number? A Maze task can have different item numbers for every item. If you use the Variable Grouping option , you can make sure that all items within a given sentence (including the "continue" item) are kept in position. Here's an example: The experiment consists of 20 sentences, which should be presented in a random order. The item file would look something like this: $ ! Example of a Maze .rtf file. Note the following important features: 1. The Variable Grouping parameter . This has the effect of converting the item number 1001 to 1 during the scrambling operation (i.e., the item number is divided by the Variable Grouping parameter). All items with the same number are then treated as a group as far as scrambling is concerned. 2. makes sure of a rapid response once a key is pressed. 3. you don't want feedback. 4. Continuous running is essential. ; 0 "Press the space bar for the next screen."; 0 "Press the Right or Left key for whichever word", "you think would continue the sentence."; 0 "The following items are for practice.";$ ! Note that the sentence does not have $s around it.; =1001 %75"READY"/ *"The x-x-x" c; +1002 *"isn't concert" c; +1003 *"swim was" c; +1004 *"but long" c; -1005 *"and guess" c; +1006 *"door we" c; +1007 *"computer enjoyed" c; -1008 *"every grind" c; -1009 *"minute. this." c; 1000 "CORRECT"/ ; 1251 %40 "< < error > >"/@2 "Please proceed to the next item."; 1250 c; The next sentence would then be listed. At the end, you would finish up with something like this: 20000 "CORRECT"/ ; 20251 %40 "< < error > >"/@2 "Please proceed to the next item."; 20250 c; $0 "Thank you. That's the end.";$ --k.i.f. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 16:54:45 2005 Received: from ssgmailgate.ssg.org.au (smtpout.ssg.org.au [203.2.94.39]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1ONrPFJ026665 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:53:26 -0700 Received: from eppicmail.ssg.org.au ([172.28.195.28]) by ssgmailgate.ssg.org.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:53:20 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX Query... Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:53:20 +1100 Message-ID: From: "MacKenzie, Trudi L" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello there - My name is Trudi Mackenzie - I work at a laboratory at the University of Melbourne and we are looking to use DMDX to present some video stimui (footage of heroin use) to our participants (long term heroin addicts). I am just wondering what video file types DMDX will recognise: avi, mpeg, mov files? I have scoured the website to try to find out but don't seem able to find the answer. I would be enormously appreciative if somebody could get back to me on this one! Many thanks, Trudi Trudi Mackenzie Research Assistant Substance Use Research & Recovery Focused Program (SURRF) ORYGEN Research Centre Department of Psychiatry, University of Melbourne 35 Poplar Road, Parkville, 3052. * (03) 9342 2887, 0401 805 662 * trudi.mackenzie@mh.or.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 17:06:08 2005 Received: from f05n03.cac.psu.edu (f05s03.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.46]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1P062FJ026738 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:06:03 -0700 Received: from cathance.psych.psu.edu (psyprn2.la.psu.edu [146.186.181.220]) by f05n03.cac.psu.edu (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j1P061RD068852 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:06:01 -0500 Subject: [DMDX] DMDX and EGI From: Michael Wenger To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1109289955.11581.8.camel@psyprn2.la.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:05:55 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list All: Has anyone had any experience using DMDX with EGI's high-density EEG systems? It appears that triggering/toggling can be done with TTL or TCP/IP communications, so it seems as though it should be possible. Any and all comments and suggestions would be most helpful. -Michael -- _______________________________________________________________________ Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology 620 Moore Building The Pennsylvania State University University Park PA 16802 voice: (814) 863-6023 e-mail: mjw19@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/mjw19 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 21:34:04 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1P4XBFJ027424 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:33:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA771A8392D for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:33:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51793A7F3CA for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:33:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050224213130.00ba45a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:33:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX Query... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:53 AM 2/25/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hello there - > >My name is Trudi Mackenzie - I work at a laboratory at the University of >Melbourne and we are looking to use DMDX to present some video stimui >(footage of heroin use) to our participants (long term heroin addicts). I >am just wondering what video file types DMDX will recognise: avi, mpeg, >mov files? Anything your machine has codecs for. Which pretty much means anything the windows media player can play. DMDX use the standard windows functions for rendering files so the sky's the limit. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." - David Guaspari From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 21:36:58 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1P4atFJ027457 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:36:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57819A81C33 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:36:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96F5A7FC22 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:36:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050224213333.00bc11e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:36:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX and EGI In-Reply-To: <1109289955.11581.8.camel@psyprn2.la.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:05 PM 2/24/2005 -0500, you wrote: >All: Has anyone had any experience using DMDX with EGI's high-density >EEG systems? It appears that triggering/toggling can be done with TTL or >TCP/IP communications, so it seems as though it should be possible. Any >and all comments and suggestions would be most helpful. You can certainly use a TTL signal to do it, tons of documentation in the TimeDX help file and in the archives here for it. TCP/IP communications would require you to sponsor modifications to DMDX. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." - David Guaspari From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 5 08:01:55 2005 Received: from elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (elf.ii.uj.edu.pl [149.156.65.17]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j25F0kFJ003633 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:00:46 -0700 Received: by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1641) id 2668211000985; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:00:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A97A12C00489 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:00:39 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:00:39 +0100 From: Jakub Szewczyk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] timing problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, After finding solution to my PIO card problems I managed to configure set for measuring ERPs. But during analysis of the first data file, I've found DMDX is doing very strange things with timing. I use keyword for enforcing delay. In the following code, I've put into square brackets real timings measured as triggers by ERP gathering program - the time since the previous trigger. 0 "Press space to begin."; -197 / "+" / [450] / [360] "word1" / [270] / [180]"word2" / / [287] "word3" / / [450] "word4" / * "???" / !; so the timings are very strange. this is a test procedure, in the real one I have used the following sequence: .. / / "word1" / / "word2" / ... so the delay should be always around 500, and the triggers appeared always in 450 ms delay, so it was not random. It seems the words appear on the screen in the same time as the triggers were gathered on another computer, so it can't be an I/O problem. I know it, since ERPs for successive words look similiar, and are not phase shifted (as it would be if the triggers were shifted in relation to words). I fear I'm making a very simple mistake, but I can't figure it out. can you figure anything out of it? thanks, Jakub. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 5 17:30:22 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j260TLFJ005027 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:29:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CB5A81F82 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606A2A7C57A for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:29:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050305171700.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:29:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:00 PM 3/5/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hello, > > After finding solution to my PIO card problems I managed to configure set >for measuring ERPs. But during analysis of the first data file, I've found >DMDX is doing very strange things with timing. > >I use keyword for enforcing delay. is provided for people that don't care about accurate timing, DMDX calculates how many retrace intervals are guaranteed to be longer than the parameter to . Use whole retrace intervals with instead. Millisecond timing in DMDX is generally not possible (there are exceptions, is one of them, is another), most things are specified in retrace intervals. > In the following code, I've put >into square brackets real timings measured as triggers by ERP gathering >program - the time since the previous trigger. > > > > > > > is also not guaranteed, it's simply a command to move to the next item as quickly as possible. I recommend for fast machines and for older machines. Note, it's in retrace intervals, not milliseconds. > > > > Shift> > > > >0 "Press space to begin."; > > >-197 / "+" / [450] / > [360] "word1" / [270] / > [180]"word2" / / [287] "word3" / > / [450] "word4" / * "???" / !; > > >so the timings are very strange. Your value of the retrace interval of the video mode you are using may not not accurate and there may be timing errors that are forcing to DMDX to do it's best to get things right. You need to read the advanced timing documentation in TimeDX and see that you've got good values for the retrace interval. Often I find setting the Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers in TimeDX's Refresh Rate test clears a lot of these problems up. Beyond that you need to make sure there are no worms or viruses or spyware on the machine as they bork things right up. > this is a test procedure, in the real one I >have used the following sequence: . / / "word1" >/ / "word2" / ... >so the delay should be always around 500, and the triggers appeared >always in 450 ms delay, so it was not random. > > >It seems the words appear on the screen in the same time as the triggers >were gathered on another computer, so it can't be an I/O problem. I know it, >since ERPs for successive words look similiar, and are not phase shifted (as >it would be if the triggers were shifted in relation to words). The triggers will be appearing with the words, the timing of the words however is another matter. >I fear I'm making a very simple mistake, but I can't figure it out. Would that DMDX was simple, but then you wouldn't be able to do a fifth of the things that are possible with it. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. - Alvy Ray Smith From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 6 04:15:07 2005 Received: from elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (elf.ii.uj.edu.pl [149.156.65.17]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j26BEMFJ006561 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 04:14:22 -0700 Received: by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1641) id DB18A11000974; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:14:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CDD12C00489 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:14:11 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:14:11 +0100 From: Jakub Szewczyk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050305171700.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050305171700.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, j.c.f. wrote: > At 04:00 PM 3/5/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> After finding solution to my PIO card problems I managed to configure >> set >> for measuring ERPs. But during analysis of the first data file, I've found >> DMDX is doing very strange things with timing. >> >> I use keyword for enforcing delay. > > is provided for people that don't care about accurate timing, DMDX > calculates how many retrace intervals are guaranteed to be longer than the > parameter to . Use whole retrace intervals with instead. > Millisecond timing in DMDX is generally not possible (there are exceptions, > is one of them, is another), most things are > specified in retrace intervals. Thanks for compehensive answer! I knew the thing, but I didn't expect it to give so stable and so big differences ( -> 450ms; _always_), given that the refresh rate is always <= 17ms. Jakub From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 6 07:30:30 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j26ESsFJ007088 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:28:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683A3A7F209 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:28:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058B1A7EFCB for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:28:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050306072731.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 07:28:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050305171700.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050305171700.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:14 PM 3/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I knew the thing, but I didn't expect it to give so stable and so big >differences ( -> 450ms; _always_), given that the refresh rate is >always <= 17ms. I doubt that's the whole explanation for your problem but it certainly doesn't help having a level of automation in there when we want specific results. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. - Alvy Ray Smith From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 09:45:20 2005 Received: from hkuhp12.hku.hk (hkuhp12.hku.hk [147.8.2.62]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27GhhFJ011304 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:43:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (webmail01.hku.hk [147.8.2.175]) by hkuhp12.hku.hk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27GhdYY021043 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:43:40 +0800 (EAT) Received: from cardioresponder.kinesiology.hsc.uwo.ca (cardioresponder.kinesiology.hsc.uwo.ca [129.100.136.91]) by imp.webmail.hku.hk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:43:39 +0800 Message-ID: <1110213819.422c84bb710c5@imp.webmail.hku.hk> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:43:39 +0800 From: saviow@graduate.hku.hk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, May I ask you a question? I am going to carry out a handgrip study which I would like to use DMDX to present the stimuli to the participants and to use powerlab to record the strength of the handgrip applied by the participants. My question is: is there any method that I can display both the stimuli (from dmdx) and the readings from powerlab (a small window showing the strength of handgrip) to the participant via the same monitor? so that the participants are informed when to squeeze the handgrip and how hard they squeezed it. many thanks, savio From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 10:23:14 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27HN9FJ011609 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:23:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A016A83684 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2F6A7CF5B for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:23:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307102128.00bb0b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:23:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously In-Reply-To: <1110213819.422c84bb710c5@imp.webmail.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:43 AM 3/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi All, > >May I ask you a question? I am going to carry out a handgrip study which >I would like to use DMDX to present the stimuli to the participants and >to use powerlab to record the strength of the handgrip applied by the >participants. My question is: is there any method that I can display >both the stimuli (from dmdx) and the readings from powerlab (a small >window showing the strength of handgrip) to the participant via the same >monitor? so that the participants are informed when to squeeze the >handgrip and how hard they squeezed it. Without two displays, no. With a second display you can easily start the power grip program first, move it onto the second display and as long as you don't need to interact with it DMDX can run on the primary display. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 10:30:02 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27HBoFJ011515 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:11:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FA0A6E364 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:11:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAB9A835EC for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:11:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307100943.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:11:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Analyze 2.06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list There's a new version of Analyze, 2.06, in the DMDXUTILS zip file: When the .spc file specifies both an SD cutoff and an absolute cutoff, it makes a difference which is applied first. Version 2.04 of ANALYZE calculated and applied the SD cutoffs first and then applied the absolute cutoffs. This has the disadvantage that extreme outliers will affect the SD cutoffs. It makes more sense to first rule out extreme outliers using absolute cutoffs, and then calculate and apply the SD cutoffs. This is the procedure followed in version 2.06 of ANALYZE. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 12:35:08 2005 Received: from langate.gsu.edu (langate.gsu.edu [131.96.2.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27JYlFJ012339 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:34:48 -0700 Received: from mailsrv21.gsu.edu not authenticated [131.96.2.14] by langate.gsu.edu with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.22.1.5 $ on Novell NetWare; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:34:47 -0500 Received: from IAGATE2-MTA by mailsrv21.gsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:34:40 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:34:32 -0500 From: "Nan Jiang" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Analyze 2.06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, Thanks for doing that. It makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for everything. Best, Nan Jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 03/07/05 12:11 pm >>> There's a new version of Analyze, 2.06, in the DMDXUTILS zip file: When the .spc file specifies both an SD cutoff and an absolute cutoff, it makes a difference which is applied first. Version 2.04 of ANALYZE calculated and applied the SD cutoffs first and then applied the absolute cutoffs. This has the disadvantage that extreme outliers will affect the SD cutoffs. It makes more sense to first rule out extreme outliers using absolute cutoffs, and then calculate and apply the SD cutoffs. This is the procedure followed in version 2.06 of ANALYZE. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 13:47:19 2005 Received: from hkuhp12.hku.hk (hkuhp12.hku.hk [147.8.2.62]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27KaXFJ012709 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:36:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (webmail01.hku.hk [147.8.2.175]) by hkuhp12.hku.hk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27KaUgj005038 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:36:30 +0800 (EAT) Received: from cardioresponder.kinesiology.hsc.uwo.ca (cardioresponder.kinesiology.hsc.uwo.ca [129.100.136.91]) by imp.webmail.hku.hk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:36:30 +0800 Message-ID: <1110227790.422cbb4e9ff00@imp.webmail.hku.hk> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:36:30 +0800 From: saviow@graduate.hku.hk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307102128.00bb0b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307102128.00bb0b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, Thanks for your suggestion. Indeed, this is an fMRI experiment which makes it difficult to have second display. Is it possible to run DMDX within a window (not fullscreen)? many thanks, savio Quoting "Jonathan C. Forster" : > At 12:43 AM 3/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >May I ask you a question? I am going to carry out a handgrip study which > >I would like to use DMDX to present the stimuli to the participants and > >to use powerlab to record the strength of the handgrip applied by the > >participants. My question is: is there any method that I can display > >both the stimuli (from dmdx) and the readings from powerlab (a small > >window showing the strength of handgrip) to the participant via the same > >monitor? so that the participants are informed when to squeeze the > >handgrip and how hard they squeezed it. > > Without two displays, no. With a second display you can easily start > the power grip program first, move it onto the second display and as long > as you don't need to interact with it DMDX can run on the primary display. > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 14:43:52 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27Lh6FJ013099 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:43:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935D9A7DA93 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B09A836EC for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:43:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307144143.00ba4d10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:43:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously In-Reply-To: <1110227790.422cbb4e9ff00@imp.webmail.hku.hk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307102128.00bb0b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050307102128.00bb0b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:36 AM 3/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >Thanks for your suggestion. Indeed, this is an fMRI experiment which makes it >difficult to have second display. Is it possible to run DMDX within a window >(not fullscreen)? I belive that would be covered by the "Without two displays, no." /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 10 08:12:14 2005 Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2AFAGFJ027744 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:10:17 -0700 Received: from [134.226.1.136] by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:10:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:10:08 +0000 Message-ID: <41FFB4A600035C4C@ms001msg.mail.fw> From: "Annalisa Setti" Subject: [DMDX] multiple keys feedback To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I?m writing to the mailing list because I am stuck with my dmdx code (forgive me, I?m a beginner). I need to enable 4 different response keys (1,2,3,4) and I need for each item to obtain a feedback on the response, e.g. if in item 1 the correct response is 4, and the participant press 4 I would like a positive feedback, if instead, he/she presses 1 or 2 or 3, I would like a negative feedback I wrote this bit of code, but it doesn?t work $ 0 "Remember 1 = object A, 2 = object B, 3 = object C, 4 = object D"; 0 "Press the spacebar to begin"; $ +1 "++"/ / * "targetA.avi.avi"/ / ; the same here +2 "++"/ / * "targetB.avi.avi"/ / ; I would be great if someone could have a look and help me. Thanks a lot Annalisa Annalisa Setti, Post Doc. Psychology Department of Psychology University of Bologna (Italy) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 10 09:59:09 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2AGwsFJ028033 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:58:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213D6A80AB1 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:58:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E90A8134D for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:58:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050310095454.00ba4d50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:58:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: multiple keys feedback In-Reply-To: <41FFB4A600035C4C@ms001msg.mail.fw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:10 PM 3/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all, >I?m writing to the mailing list because I am stuck with my dmdx code (forgive >me, I?m a beginner). I need to enable 4 different response keys (1,2,3,4) >and I need for each item to obtain a feedback on the response, e.g. if in >item 1 the correct response is 4, and the participant press 4 I would like >a positive feedback, if instead, he/she presses 1 or 2 or 3, I would like >a negative feedback >I wrote this bit of code, but it doesn?t work > > "+3"> 1024, 16, 75> >$ >0 "Remember 1 = object A, 2 = object B, 3 = object C, 4 = object D"; >0 "Press the spacebar to begin"; >$ >+1 "++"/ / * > "targetA.avi.avi"/ / ; > >the same here > >+2 "++"/ / * > "targetB.avi.avi"/ / ; If you want feedback you don't want it turned off with . And you probably want to map +4 in your items too... /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 10 10:29:38 2005 Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2AHTVFJ028158 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:29:32 -0700 Received: from [134.226.1.136] by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:29:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:29:23 +0000 Message-ID: <41FFB4A600036131@ms001msg.mail.fw> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050310095454.00ba4d50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> From: "Annalisa Setti" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: multiple keys feedback To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list That?s great, as simple as that! Thank you so much, once eliminated it works perfectly Annalisa Annalisa Setti, Post Doc. Psychology Department of Psychology University of Bologna (Italy) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 10 16:32:45 2005 Received: from mail-x.ad.life.unsw.edu.au (mail-x.science.unsw.edu.au [149.171.174.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2ANVQFJ030079 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:31:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:32:24 +1100 Message-ID: <81EFB02B4F41C34192AD7BEFE55007500490E6@mail-x.ad.life.unsw.edu.au> From: "Leah Campbell" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I have an enquiry about DMDX that I hoped someone might be able to answer. I'm trying to design an experiment which involves participants listening to a tone, and then reproducing that tone. Ideally I'd like the computer to emit a tone for a predetermined length of time (e.g. 4, 8, & 12 secs), and for the participant to reproduce that same tone (equal in pitch - it would just be the duration they have control of) by pressing a button on the keyboard or some other input device such as a joystick. The tone would be produced until they release the button. The data would then hopefully be stored in terms of millisecond/seconds. So they would hear a tone and then try to match the duration with a tone produced by them. Is that the sort of thing DMDX can do, and if so, how do I do it? Many thanks, Leah Campbell PhD Candidate School of Psychology University of New South Wales Australia Ph +61 02 9385 8758 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 11 08:10:45 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2BF9sFJ032719 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:09:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6968A8261B for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:09:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF61A77534 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:09:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050311075841.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:09:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX In-Reply-To: <81EFB02B4F41C34192AD7BEFE55007500490E6@mail-x.ad.life.unsw .edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:32 AM 3/11/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hello, > >I have an enquiry about DMDX that I hoped someone might be able to answer. > >I'm trying to design an experiment which involves participants listening >to a tone, and then reproducing that tone. Ideally I'd like the computer >to emit a tone for a predetermined length of time (e.g. 4, 8, & 12 secs), >and for the participant to reproduce that same tone (equal in pitch - it >would just be the duration they have control of) by pressing a button on >the keyboard or some other input device such as a joystick. The tone >would be produced until they release the button. The data would then >hopefully be stored in terms of millisecond/seconds. So they would hear a >tone and then try to match the duration with a tone produced by them. Is >that the sort of thing DMDX can do, and if so, how do I do it? I guess you could try using the abort item key. You'd want to set it to the release of a key, say -A, so that as the tone is playing them releasing the key would abort that item and stop the sound from playing. You'd want to have two item pairs, first item would present the tone that the duration has to be matched and wait for a request. You'd want to map the request to +A, have as low a delay parameter as you can (will depend on the machine but if you use the media life keyword on your sounds you should be able to get it down to one or two ticks) and the second item will start playing a really long tone and be aborted when they release the A key. You can map -A as a response key as well, looks like the code will allow such activity so you'll get the RT in the AZK file. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Creditors have much better memories than debtors. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 13 20:26:26 2005 Received: from cygnus.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp2.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.112]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2E3AeFJ010287 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:10:41 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #39368) id <01LLVU0GOUY8AE9LOK@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:10:34 +1100 Received: from RBBCOGNEURO2.unimelb.edu.au (rbbcogneuro2.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.172]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) with ESMTP id <01LLVU0GIMYWAOLWSY@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:10:34 +1100 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:11:27 +1100 From: Jacquie Snow Subject: [DMDX] acknowledging DMDX use To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <6.0.1.1.0.20050314140750.01d49ea8@home.staff.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CvZqzfoKecJ4tx8OjbBygQ)" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --Boundary_(ID_CvZqzfoKecJ4tx8OjbBygQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear Jonathon, I have been using DMDX for some of my experimental work. What is the best way to acknowledge the use of the program & developers in a published paper? Also, does this need to be an 'in text' reference, or a statement in the acknowledgements section? Many thanks, Jacquie Jacqueline C. Snow MPsych/PhD (Clin. Neuro.) candidate Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Victoria 3010, Australia --Boundary_(ID_CvZqzfoKecJ4tx8OjbBygQ) Content-type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Dear Jonathon,
I have been using DMDX for some of my experimental work.
What is the best way to acknowledge the use of the program & developers in a published paper? Also, does this need to be an 'in text' reference, or a statement in the acknowledgements section?

Many thanks,
Jacquie

Jacqueline C. Snow
MPsych/PhD (Clin. Neuro.) candidate
Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Psychology
University of Melbourne
Victoria 3010, Australia

 --Boundary_(ID_CvZqzfoKecJ4tx8OjbBygQ)-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 14 08:04:34 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2EF3YFJ011981 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2D6A81FB9 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5814A82D41 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050314080150.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:32 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: acknowledging DMDX use In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050314140750.01d49ea8@home.staff.unimelb.edu.a u> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:11 PM 3/14/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathon, >I have been using DMDX for some of my experimental work. >What is the best way to acknowledge the use of the program & developers in >a published paper? Also, does this need to be an 'in text' reference, or a >statement in the acknowledgements section? See Ken's page: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dmastr.htm The DMASTR software is distributed free of charge, and we ask only that you acknowledge use of the system in publications (e.g., "The experiment was run using the DMASTR software developed at Monash University and at the University of Arizona by K.I.Forster and J.C.Forster."). /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Creditors have much better memories than debtors. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 18 14:10:31 2005 Received: from web51002.mail.yahoo.com (web51002.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.133]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2IL8qFJ004183 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:08:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 39416 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2005 21:08:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20050318210846.39414.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.230.95.90] by web51002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:08:46 PST Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:08:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jackie Holloway Subject: [DMDX] "Missing Item Number" error message when item #'s are in place To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I've been having much luck with working out my errors on DMDX when they are encountered, but one here has got me stumped. I have pasted the script below. Now, I had almost identical script for another .rtf file, which runs fine. But with this one, I keep getting the error "Missing Item Number "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/;>" and that error comes up again for ".../+301..." as well. I've tried all of the help options, and looking through the list serve, but nothing seems to work. Am I overlooking something? I have also pasted the working script from my other .rtf file (below the dotted line) to show you the one that worked (if you wanted to see it). Thank you in advance for any help. -Jacqueline $0 "This is a trial experiment.", "If the following video clip plays in real time", "press the RIGHT shift key", "If the video clip does not play in real time", "press the LEFT shift key";$ $ 99 "LO_High_still_pic.bmp"/;$ +101 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +102 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +103 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +104 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +105 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +106 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +107 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +108 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +109 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +110 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +111 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +112 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +113 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +114 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +115 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +116 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +117 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +118 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; / +201 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +202 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +203 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +204 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +205 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +206 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +207 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +208 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +209 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +210 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +211 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +212 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +213 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +214 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +215 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +216 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +217 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +218 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; / +301 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +302 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +303 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +304 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +305 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +306 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +307 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +308 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +309 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +310 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +311 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +312 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +313 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +314 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +315 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +316 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +317 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +318 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; / $0 "This is the end of the experiment.", "Thank you for your participation!";$ ------------------------------------------------------- $0 "This is a trial experiment.", "If the following video clip plays in real time", "press the RIGHT shift key", "If the video clip does not play in real time", "press the LEFT shift key";$ +10 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; -11 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; -12 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; -13 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +14 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; -15 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; -16 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; -17 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; -18 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; \ $0 "This is the end of the first block.", "When you are ready to begin the second block of trials", "press the spacebar.";$ \ +20 "APour_LO_Low_F2-02.avi" /*/; -21 "APour_LO_Low_F2-04.avi" /*/; -22 "APour_LO_Low_F2-06.avi" /*/; -23 "APour_LO_Low_F2-08.avi" /*/; . . etc. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 18 16:25:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2INPJFJ004995 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84ED0A83AC7 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FC2A83304 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318162431.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: "Missing Item Number" error message when item #'s are in place In-Reply-To: <20050318210846.39414.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You are using forward slashes (/) for scramble emit characters instead of back slashes (\). At 01:08 PM 3/18/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Hi, >I've been having much luck with working out my errors >on DMDX when they are encountered, but one here has >got me stumped. I have pasted the script below. Now, >I had almost identical script for another .rtf file, >which runs fine. But with this one, I keep getting >the error "Missing Item Number >"APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/;>" and that error >comes up again for ".../+301..." as well. >I've tried all of the help options, and looking >through the list serve, but nothing seems to work. Am >I overlooking something? I have also pasted the >working script from my other .rtf file (below the >dotted line) to show you the one that worked (if you >wanted to see it). Thank you in advance for any help. >-Jacqueline > > keyboard> +left shift> 1799> > >$0 "This is a trial experiment.", > "If the following video clip plays in real >time", >"press the RIGHT shift key", > "If the video clip does not play in real >time", > "press the LEFT shift key";$ >$ 99 "LO_High_still_pic.bmp"/;$ >+101 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+102 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+103 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+104 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+105 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+106 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+107 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+108 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+109 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; > >+110 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+111 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+112 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+113 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+114 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+115 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+116 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+117 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+118 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >/ >+201 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+202 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+203 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+204 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+205 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+206 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+207 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+208 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+209 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; > >+210 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+211 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+212 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+213 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+214 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+215 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+216 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+217 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+218 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >/ > >+301 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+302 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+303 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+304 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+305 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+306 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+307 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+308 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+309 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; > >+310 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+311 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+312 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+313 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+314 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+315 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+316 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+317 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+318 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >/ >$0 "This is the end of the experiment.", >"Thank you for your participation!";$ > >------------------------------------------------------- > > keyboard> > 1.5> >$0 "This is a trial experiment.", > "If the following video clip plays in real >time", >"press the RIGHT shift key", > "If the video clip does not play in real >time", > "press the LEFT shift key";$ >+10 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >-11 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >-12 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >-13 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+14 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >-15 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >-16 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >-17 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >-18 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >\ >$0 "This is the end of the first block.", >"When you are ready to begin the second block of >trials", > "press the spacebar.";$ >\ >+20 "APour_LO_Low_F2-02.avi" /*/; >-21 "APour_LO_Low_F2-04.avi" /*/; >-22 "APour_LO_Low_F2-06.avi" /*/; >-23 "APour_LO_Low_F2-08.avi" /*/; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 21 08:24:32 2005 Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2LFMwFJ025388 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:22:59 -0700 Received: from [134.226.1.136] by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it with HTTP; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:22:49 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:22:49 +0000 Message-ID: <4235CA0A0000984D@ms001msg.mail.fw> From: "Annalisa Setti" Subject: [DMDX] counters To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear prof. Forster, For the training phase of my exp I have 4 prototypes that people have to recognize; ideally I need to count how many errors they do for each prototype and if in at least 1 prototype they do not do 80% correct they should start again. Unfortunately I was not able to do that, so I solved my probl by increasing the perc of correct that I want overall (90%) and use a simpler ?biert 10? function. Could you give me some suggestions on how set the four different counters as cue for the branching procedure, - I tried to set an error counter for just one prototype as trial but didn?t work -? I include my code for branching that seems to work, Thank you very much, sorry for the vagueness of my question. annalisa branching: $ 0 "This is object A, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 77 "+"/ / "prototA.avi.avi" / ; 0 "This is object B, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 78 "+"/ / "prototB.avi.avi" / ; 0 "This is object C, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 79 "+"/ / "prototC.avi.avi" / ; 0 "This is object D, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 80 "+"/ / "prototD.avi.avi" / ; 0 "Press the correspondent key to identify the object" ; 0 "If you make more than 90% error you will have to start again" ; 10000 / ; $ +1 "+"/ / * "prototA.avi.avi"/ /; +2 "+"/ / * "prototA.avi.avi"/ /; $ 999 / ; 0 "The End"; $ Annalisa Setti, Post Doc. Psychology Department of Psychology University of Bologna (Italy) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 21 15:43:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2LMfxFJ027956 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78461A77712 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86E5A83ED3 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321145004.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: counters In-Reply-To: <4235CA0A0000984D@ms001msg.mail.fw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You'll have to keep track of the error rates individually, the internal error rate counters will never do what you need. So for each prototype you'll need a counter for the number of correct responses and a counter for the total number of responses and then a branch that calculates the error rates and branches if any of them are too low. Correct response counters will be 10, 20, 30 and 40, totals will be 11, 12, 13 and 14. You'll want to repeat the 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000 items as many times as data points you wish to gather. The keywords are for debugging. 100 "start" ; +1000 "prototype 1 test" * ; +2000 "prototype 2 test" * ; +3000 "prototype 3 test" * ; +4000 "prototype 4 test" * ; +1000 "prototype 1 test" * ; +2000 "prototype 2 test" * ; +3000 "prototype 3 test" * ; +4000 "prototype 4 test" * ; +1000 "prototype 1 test" * ; +2000 "prototype 2 test" * ; +3000 "prototype 3 test" * ; +4000 "prototype 4 test" * ; 200 ; At 03:22 PM 3/21/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear prof. Forster, >For the training phase of my exp I have 4 prototypes that people have to >recognize; ideally I need to count how many errors they do for each prototype >and if in at least 1 prototype they do not do 80% correct they should start >again. Unfortunately I was not able to do that, so I solved my probl by >increasing >the perc of correct that I want overall (90%) and use a simpler ?biert 10? >function. >Could you give me some suggestions on how set the four different counters >as cue for the branching procedure, - I tried to set an error counter for >just one prototype as trial but didn?t work -? I include my code for branching >that seems to work, >Thank you very much, sorry for the vagueness of my question. >annalisa > >branching: > "+b"> 1024, 16, 75> >$ >0 "This is object A, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >77 "+"/ / "prototA.avi.avi" / ; >0 "This is object B, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >78 "+"/ / "prototB.avi.avi" / ; >0 "This is object C, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >79 "+"/ / "prototC.avi.avi" / ; >0 "This is object D, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >80 "+"/ / "prototD.avi.avi" / ; >0 "Press the correspondent key to identify the object" ; >0 "If you make more than 90% error you will have to start again" ; >10000 / ; >$ >+1 "+"/ / * 500> "prototA.avi.avi"/ /; >+2 "+"/ / * 500> "prototA.avi.avi"/ /; >$ >999 / ; >0 "The End"; $ > > >Annalisa Setti, >Post Doc. Psychology >Department of Psychology >University of Bologna (Italy) > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 21 18:31:21 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2M1V1FJ028550 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:31:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737AEA83528 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE16A825A2 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:31:01 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321182901.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:30:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: counters In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321145004.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <4235CA0A0000984D@ms001msg.mail.fw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:41 PM 3/21/2005 -0700, you wrote: >200 > > > > (c20 * 100 / c21 .lt. 80) .or. > (c30 * 100 / c31 .lt. 80) .or. > (c40 * 100 / c41 .lt. 80) >; That item should have a tilde in front of it, ~200 etc but it got eaten by the email system, go figure. That way it doesn't affect the display, wait for a request or do anything other than a branch and emitting the counters values. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 23 14:16:17 2005 Received: from web51008.mail.yahoo.com (web51008.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.139]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2NLEZFJ005018 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:14:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 86482 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2005 21:14:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20050323211429.86480.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.230.95.90] by web51008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:14:28 PST Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:14:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jackie Holloway Subject: [DMDX] Timing with dv's To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, We are trying to figure out some timing with videos. We are trying to have short videos play (each between 4-5 seconds), followed by a fixed 6 second ISI. I tried running a simple code to make sure that the d and fd parameters are timed correctly... 0 "start"; +1 * "first"/ !; +2 * "second"/ !; +3 * "third"/ !; 0 "stopped"; ...using the clock on times from the .zil output file to measure the msec's between items -works fine. I then tried that with my dv file... 0 "This is a trial experiment.", "If the following video clip plays in real time", "press the RIGHT shift key", "If the video clip does not play in real time", "press the LEFT shift key"; ^99 * "LO_High_still_pic.bmp"/; +10 * "APour_LO_High_F2-02cut.avi" / !; -11 * "APour_LO_High_F2-04cut.avi" / !; -12 * "APour_LO_High_F2-06cut.avi" / !; -13 * "APour_LO_High_F2-08cut.avi" / !; +14 * "Pour_LO_High_F2-Origcut.avi" / !; -15 * "Pour_LO_High_F2-01cut.avi" / !; -16 * "Pour_LO_High_F2-02cut.avi" / !; -17 * "Pour_LO_High_F2-03cut.avi" / !; -18 * "Pour_LO_High_F2-04cut.avi" / !; 0 "This is the end of the experiment.", "Thank you for your participation!"; ...But when I check the timing, the first clock on time is 348 msec slow, then the next is 431 msec slow, and it keeps increasing like that. Even if I eliminate the in my header line, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference in my .zil file output. I also tried putting a switch before each dv item (since each video is a different length) and that didn't fix the timing either. How might I set the frame durations for each video, being each a different length, while also having a 30 second still picture at the beginning? Is the time discrepancy in my .zil file due to the video loading time? I read about how to pre-load a bitmap (putting a 'g' in the item line), but I don't think you can pre-load movies. I would greatly appreciate if you have any clarification for this. Thank you much __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 23 17:30:33 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2O0TpFJ005974 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF5DA83129 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E399A83B3A for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050323171845.00ba4c90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing with dv's In-Reply-To: <20050323211429.86480.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:14 PM 3/23/2005 -0800, you wrote: >didn't fix the timing either. How might I set the >frame durations for each video, being each a different >length, while also having a 30 second still picture at >the beginning? Nothing leaps to mind, the duration of those frames is going to be set by the duration of the video file. You'd have to know the duration of the files and pad them with blank frames of appropriate durations. > Is the time discrepancy in my .zil >file due to the video loading time? Possible but 360 ticks should be more than long enough -- then again maybe your computer is really slow. TimeDX's Digital Video test displays some stats, like the Run Transition Time, you might want to play the files and see what those values are. > I read about how >to pre-load a bitmap (putting a 'g' in the item line), >but I don't think you can pre-load movies. Look at the keyword, it works for Digital Video. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 23 20:07:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2O2r4FJ006252 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:53:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F38A83F93 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:53:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF04A83122 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:53:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050323194854.00ba45a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:53:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing with dv's In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050323171845.00ba4c90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <20050323211429.86480.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:29 PM 3/23/2005 -0700, you wrote: >At 01:14 PM 3/23/2005 -0800, you wrote: >>didn't fix the timing either. How might I set the >>frame durations for each video, being each a different >>length, while also having a 30 second still picture at >>the beginning? > > Nothing leaps to mind, the duration of those frames is going to be set > by the duration of the video file. You'd have to know the duration of > the files and pad them with blank frames of appropriate durations. It's faintly possible that you could specify the durations of the frames playing the video to be longer than the video with something like this: +1 * "name" <%ms 30000> / ; But there's a bunch of mechanisms in there that take into account that the rest of the item is to begin when the video finishes so I'm not betting that overriding the frame's duration isn't going to work. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 24 10:17:11 2005 Received: from srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr (postfix@srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr [194.199.40.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2OHGPFJ008815 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:16:25 -0700 Received: from srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D546CF4A for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:22:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr (l034.univ-bpclermont.fr [192.168.111.126]) by srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5B26CF36 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:22:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4242F5E4.50602@srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:16:20 +0100 From: Cyril BERNARD MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Is it possible to stop playing a long WAV file with mouse or keyboard input ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, in order to measure time perception with auditive stimuli, I tried to build a program DMDX. Here is the detail of the experiment. I would like a first sound (demo sound) to be played for a defined time (i.e. 4 seconds) on my computer. The sound is a simple note, recorded in a 4 seconds long WAV file. Then, the same sound would be played for an undefined duration (test sound). I am using a 1 minute long WAV file so that the maximum response time can't be much long. The user would have to click with the mouse when he thinks that the sound has reached the same duration than the first sound (demo sound). When he clicks, the test sound would stop and the time between the beginning of the test sound and the click would be written in the output ascii file. And then the next item, with the same principle, would be starting. My problem is that when I begin to play the test sound with DMDX, and when the user clicks, the sound goes on playing until the end of the WAV file. Here's a sample of the script I am using : +1001 / / "4s" / / * "1min" ; +1002 / / "2s" / / * "1min" ; I wonder if my problem can be treated with a software like DMDX, or if I have to use another software. I would be grateful for your help on this subject. Thanks a lot for your attention. Cyril BERNARD University of Clermont-Ferrand. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 24 10:42:11 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2OHg5FJ009019 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:42:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6234AA83E6C for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC492A8414B for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:42:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050324103857.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:42:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Is it possible to stop playing a long WAV file with mouse or keyboard input ? In-Reply-To: <4242F5E4.50602@srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Set the abort item key with to the same key as the response is mapped to. With any luck the response will be be processed before the abort code kicks in. At 06:16 PM 3/24/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >in order to measure time perception with auditive stimuli, I tried to >build a program DMDX. > >Here is the detail of the experiment. >I would like a first sound (demo sound) to be played for a defined time >(i.e. 4 seconds) on my computer. The sound is a simple note, recorded in a >4 seconds long WAV file. >Then, the same sound would be played for an undefined duration (test >sound). I am using a 1 minute long WAV file so that the maximum response >time can't be much long. >The user would have to click with the mouse when he thinks that the sound >has reached the same duration than the first sound (demo sound). When he >clicks, the test sound would stop and the time between the beginning of >the test sound and the click would be written in the output ascii file. >And then the next item, with the same principle, would be starting. > >My problem is that when I begin to play the test sound with DMDX, and when >the user clicks, the sound goes on playing until the end of the WAV file. >Here's a sample of the script I am using : > >+1001 / / "4s" / / * "1min" ; >+1002 / / "2s" / / * "1min" ; > >I wonder if my problem can be treated with a software like DMDX, or if I >have to use another software. > >I would be grateful for your help on this subject. Thanks a lot for your >attention. > >Cyril BERNARD >University of Clermont-Ferrand. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 24 23:36:09 2005 Received: from web51109.mail.yahoo.com (web51109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.130]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2P6YOFJ012236 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:34:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 83811 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2005 06:34:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20050325063419.83809.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [220.130.88.204] by web51109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:18 PST Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:18 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Chiu Subject: [DMDX] Questions about sound files of DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1112250019-1111732458=:62787" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1112250019-1111732458=:62787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all: I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with these problems. My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an apple") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat') through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the onset of the question. The script looks like this: N160 s160 f38 +889 / "+"/ "an apple"/ / * "Q1.wav" / ; As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or could it be any bugs? Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be reliable? Thank you ! Have a great day! sincere wishes, Chuck --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --0-1112250019-1111732458=:62787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Dear all:
  I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with these problems.
  My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an apple") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat') through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the onset of the question. The script looks like this:

N160 s160 <azk> <cr> f38 <t 3600> <dwc 000000000> <dbc 255255255> <id "keyboard"> <mr +Space> <id "RecordVocal"> <nfb> <id "digitalvox"> <eop> 

+889   <ms% 2000>/ "+"/<dbc 255255255> <dwc 000000000> "an apple"/ <ms% 500> / * <wav 2> "Q1.wav" / ;

  As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or could it be any bugs?
  Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be reliable?
 
  Thank you !  Have a great day!
 
sincere wishes,
Chuck

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Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --0-1112250019-1111732458=:62787-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 25 07:10:32 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2PDk7FJ013731 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:46:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FC6A7E8A2 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:46:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C3EA83073 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:46:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050325064311.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:45:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Questions about sound files of DMDX In-Reply-To: <20050325063419.83809.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list As mentioned elsewhere classic RecordVocal is busted when used with the DigitalVOX on most people's machines. Use the RecordVocal device with a parameter to specify how long to record after the VOX has triggered. For example, . At 10:34 PM 3/24/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Dear all: > I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I > found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with > these problems. > My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an > apple") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat') > through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the > question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the > onset of the question. The script looks like this: > >N160 s160 f38 "keyboard"> > >+889 / "+"/ "an apple"/ 500> / * "Q1.wav" / ; > As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. > However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are > contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure > how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds > before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be > contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice > detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes > the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the > duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter > than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or > could it be any bugs? > Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know > whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to > be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be > reliable? > > Thank you ! Have a great day! > >sincere wishes, >Chuck > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - >Try >our new resources site! /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 25 08:10:14 2005 Received: from web51103.mail.yahoo.com (web51103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.145]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2PF9tFJ014036 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:09:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 26703 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2005 15:09:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20050325150949.26698.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [220.130.88.204] by web51103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:09:49 PST Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Chiu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Questions about sound files of DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1735354980-1111763389=:26090" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1735354980-1111763389=:26090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Prof. Forster: Do you think the RTs are still reliable? Or should I remove those RTs from analyses? Thank you. Chuck "j.c.f." wrote: As mentioned elsewhere classic RecordVocal is busted when used with the DigitalVOX on most people's machines. Use the RecordVocal device with a parameter to specify how long to record after the VOX has triggered. For example, . At 10:34 PM 3/24/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Dear all: > I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I > found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with > these problems. > My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an > apple") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat') > through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the > question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the > onset of the question. The script looks like this: > >N160 s160 f38 >"keyboard"> > >+889 / "+"/ "an apple"/ >500> / * "Q1.wav" / ; > As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. > However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are > contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure > how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds > before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be > contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice > detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes > the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the > duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter > than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or > could it be any bugs? > Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know > whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to > be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be > reliable? > > Thank you ! Have a great day! > >sincere wishes, >Chuck > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - >Try >our new resources site! /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Hi Prof. Forster:
  Do you think the RTs are still reliable? Or should I remove those RTs from analyses?
  Thank you.
 
Chuck

"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:

As mentioned elsewhere classic RecordVocal is busted when used with the
DigitalVOX on most people's machines. Use the RecordVocal device with a
parameter to specify how long to record after the VOX has triggered. For
example, .

At 10:34 PM 3/24/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Dear all:
> I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I
> found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with
> these problems.
> My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an
> apple") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat')
> through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the
> question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the
> onset of the question. The script looks like this:
>
>N160 s160 f38 >"keyboard">
>
>+889 / "+"/ "an apple"/ >500> / * "Q1.wav" / ;
> As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms.
> However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are
> contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure
> how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds
> before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be
> contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice
> detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes
> the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the
> duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter
> than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or
> could it be any bugs?
> Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know
> whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to
> be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be
> reliable?
>
> Thank you ! Have a great day!
>
>sincere wishes,
>Chuck
>
>
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Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --0-1735354980-1111763389=:26090-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 25 11:09:19 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2PI8JFJ015104 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:08:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9CCA84171 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:08:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B45A83D2C for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:08:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050325110723.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:08:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Questions about sound files of DMDX In-Reply-To: <20050325150949.26698.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6667> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:09 AM 3/25/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Prof. Forster: > Do you think the RTs are still reliable? Or should I remove those RTs > from analyses? Our experience has been that they aren't reliable. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 26 13:59:52 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2QKwRFJ021508 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEEEA8319D for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD79A8439A for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050326135433.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] RecordVocal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Forgot to mention in the last reply I made about classic mode RecordVocal's data not being reliable, it's reliable under Windows ME and probably all the 9X variants. It's only under XP that classic mode is busted and given that absolutely no one wanted it's functionality given the enhanced mode there was no incentive to go make it work. If I do anything at this stage it'll be to disable it outright as I can no longer (or more precisely not easily) test ME or 9X functionality. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 27 18:17:06 2005 Received: from web51102.mail.yahoo.com (web51102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.144]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2S1EAFJ029779 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:14:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 23824 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2005 01:14:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20050328011400.23822.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [220.130.88.204] by web51102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:14:00 PST Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:14:00 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Chiu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RecordVocal To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1265005514-1111972440=:20102" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1265005514-1111972440=:20102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Sir! thank you very much for letting me know. As a lab assistant, I can now tell all other assistants and new comers about the DMDX more. Thank you. best wishes, Chuck "j.c.f." wrote: Forgot to mention in the last reply I made about classic mode RecordVocal's data not being reliable, it's reliable under Windows ME and probably all the 9X variants. It's only under XP that classic mode is busted and given that absolutely no one wanted it's functionality given the enhanced mode there was no incentive to go make it work. If I do anything at this stage it'll be to disable it outright as I can no longer (or more precisely not easily) test ME or 9X functionality. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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Dear Sir!
  thank you very much for letting me know. As a lab assistant, I can now tell all other assistants and new comers about the DMDX more. Thank you.
 
best wishes,
Chuck

"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:

Forgot to mention in the last reply I made about classic mode
RecordVocal's data not being reliable, it's reliable under Windows ME and
probably all the 9X variants. It's only under XP that classic mode is
busted and given that absolutely no one wanted it's functionality given the
enhanced mode there was no incentive to go make it work. If I do anything
at this stage it'll be to disable it outright as I can no longer (or more
precisely not easily) test ME or 9X functionality.
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Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --0-1265005514-1111972440=:20102-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 28 07:33:02 2005 Received: from web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com (web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com [202.43.200.207]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2SEVkFJ001230 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:31:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20050328143140.62813.qmail@web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.62.190.173] by web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:31:40 CST Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:31:40 +0800 (CST) From: jessie peng Subject: [DMDX] question about randomization To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I have problems about randomization in my experiment using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the mailing list. There are four conditions in my experiment and I want them to appear in fixed order. In each condition, there are six blocks and I want them to appear randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file followed by three randomized items. How can I make it work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and each condition has two blocks): N78 f38 $ 0 "Intro.bmp" ; 250 / ; $ 0 "homo-seg set1"; +1 "+" // *"¸õ" / /; +2 "+" // *"Åx" / /; +3 "+" // *"Å}" / /; 0 "homo-seg set2"; +4 "+" // *"¼Ó" / /; +5 "+" // *"¨í" / /; +6 "+" // *"·I" / /; 0 "homo-fea set1"; +7 "+" // *"¸õ" / /; +8 "+" // *"Åx" / /; +9 "+" // *"±i" / /; 0 "homo-fea set2"; +10 "+" // *"©ñ" / /; +11 "+" // *"¼s" / /; +12 "+" // *"Å}" / /; Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with DMDX before? Any help would be appreciated a lot. -Jessie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? µn°O§K¶Oªº @yahoo.com ¤¤¤å¹q¤l¶l¥ó @ http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 28 08:37:12 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2SFaxFJ001641 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFB3A82B5C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E4CA82DF7 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050328082618.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about randomization In-Reply-To: <20050328143140.62813.qmail@web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:31 PM 3/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi all, >I have problems about randomization in my experiment >using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the >mailing list. >There are four conditions in my experiment and I want >them to appear in fixed order. Then you want to have a scramble emit command, the back slash, between each block at the start of a line. Like this: \ > In each condition, >there are six blocks and I want them to appear >randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file >followed by three randomized items. How can I make it >work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? You'll have to use the multi-scrambling options for such a complex job. There's an example in the help that's almost exactly what you want, look at http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhmultiscramblingscramblekeyword.htm Your backslash mentioned above will have to become a but other than that it's a direct rip from the first example. >Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose >there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and >each condition has two blocks): > >N78 f38 000000000> > >$ >0 "Intro.bmp" ; >250 / ; >$ > >0 "homo-seg set1"; >+1 "+" // *"¸õ" >/ /; >+2 "+" // *"Åx" >/ /; >+3 "+" // *"Å}" >/ /; > >0 "homo-seg set2"; >+4 "+" // *"¼Ó" >/ /; >+5 "+" // *"¨í" >/ /; >+6 "+" // *"·I" >/ /; > >0 "homo-fea set1"; >+7 "+" // *"¸õ" >/ /; >+8 "+" // *"Åx" >/ /; >+9 "+" // *"±i" >/ /; > >0 "homo-fea set2"; >+10 "+" // >*"©ñ" / /; >+11 "+" // >*"¼s" / /; >+12 "+" // >*"Å}" / /; > >Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with >DMDX before? Dozens of them. > Any help would be appreciated a lot. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 28 09:07:24 2005 Received: from psy.fsu.edu (psy.fsu.edu [128.186.66.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2SG7IFJ001899 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:07:18 -0700 Received: from keithlaptop (dhcp67215.psy.fsu.edu [128.186.67.215]) by psy.fsu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2SG7Dlm007525 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:07:13 -0500 From: "Keith F. Donohue" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about initial PIO card values Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c533b0$37d31c10$d743ba80@keithlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C53386.4EFD1410" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C53386.4EFD1410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Professor Forster and fellow DMDX users. I have a question about using DMDX to send out triggers with a PIO card. When I run an .rtf file in DMDX, I initially get "on" values (i.e. 1) on all of the bits that are set for output. In the past, I have ignored this, as it didn't seem to interfere with subsequent triggering. However, I am now running an experiment that uses an electric shock generator, and this initial output from DMDX triggers a large shock that I don't want (and I am sure my participants will not want either). Is there any way to suppress this (e.g. setting some parameter to make DMDX initially put "off" values on all of the bits)? =20 Thank you for your help. =20 =20 =20 Keith =20 =20 Keith F. Donohue =20 Graduate Student=20 Alcohol Studies Laboratory, Department of Psychology Florida State University Tallahassee, Florida =20 "In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer." - Albert Camus =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C53386.4EFD1410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Professor Forster and fellow DMDX users.  I have a question about using DMDX to send out triggers with a= PIO card.  When I run an .rtf file in DMDX, I initially get “on̶= 1; values (i.e. 1) on all of the bits that are set for output.  In the pa= st, I have ignored this, as it didn’t seem to interfere with subsequent triggering.  However, I am now running an experiment that uses an elec= tric shock generator, and this initial output from DMDX triggers a large shock t= hat I don’t want (and I am sure my participants will not want either).&nb= sp; Is there any way to suppress this (e.g. setting some parameter to make DMDX initially put “off” values on all of the bits)?

 

Thank you for your help.=

 

 

 

Keith

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C53386.4EFD1410-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 28 09:54:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2SGrKFJ002168 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:53:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89025A7DBD8 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:53:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816E5A82EDB for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:53:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050328095228.00ba4d58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:53:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about initial PIO card values In-Reply-To: <000501c533b0$37d31c10$d743ba80@keithlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1555780312==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_1555780312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:07 AM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Professor Forster and fellow DMDX users. I have a question about >using DMDX to send out triggers with a PIO card. When I run an .rtf file >in DMDX, I initially get on values (i.e. 1) on all of the bits that are >set for output. In the past, I have ignored this, as it didn t seem to >interfere with subsequent triggering. However, I am now running an >experiment that uses an electric shock generator, and this initial output >from DMDX triggers a large shock that I don t want (and I am sure my >participants will not want either). Is there any way to suppress this >(e.g. setting some parameter to make DMDX initially put off values on all >of the bits)? Yeah, the keyword can be used for that. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhrevertoutputkeyword.htm /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. --=====================_1555780312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:07 AM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote:

Hello Professor Forster and fellow DMDX users.  I have a question about using DMDX to send out triggers with a PIO card.  When I run an .rtf file in DMDX, I initially get on values (i.e. 1) on all of the bits that are set for output.  In the past, I have ignored this, as it didn t seem to interfere with subsequent triggering.  However, I am now running an experiment that uses an electric shock generator, and this initial output from DMDX triggers a large shock that I don t want (and I am sure my participants will not want either).  Is there any way to suppress this (e.g. setting some parameter to make DMDX initially put off values on all of the bits)?

  Yeah, the <RevertOutput> keyword can be used for that.

http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhrevertoutputkeyword.htm

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--=====================_1555780312==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 29 20:35:29 2005 Received: from web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com (web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com [202.43.200.210]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2U3YGFJ010615 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:34:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Received: from [163.28.96.10] by web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:34:06 CST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:34:06 +0800 (CST) From: jessie peng Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1099404314-1112153646=:86078" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1099404314-1112153646=:86078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline µù¡G Âà±H¶l¥ó¤wªþ¥[¤W¥h I've read the Multi-Scarmbling keyword in the help. In the first extended parameter, what are and used for? When I do miltiscramble2.itm, should miltiscramble1.itm be inclueded in the same or have another following the first one? Thanks a lot for your help!! -Jessie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? µn°O§K¶Oªº @yahoo.com ¤¤¤å¹q¤l¶l¥ó @ http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com --0-1099404314-1112153646=:86078 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Apparently-To: jessie_0731@yahoo.com.tw via 202.43.200.213; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:41:45 +0800 Authentication-Results: mta161.mail.tpe.yahoo.com from=psy1.psych.arizona.edu; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) X-Originating-IP: [128.196.98.40] Return-Path: Received: from 128.196.98.40 (EHLO psy1.psych.arizona.edu) (128.196.98.40) by mta161.mail.tpe.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:41:45 +0800 Received: from psy1.psych.arizona.edu (IDENT:1002@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2SFbAFN001646; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:37:12 -0700 Received: (from petidomo@localhost) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4/Submit) id j2SFaxVV001645; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: psy1.psych.arizona.edu: petidomo set sender to DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu using -f Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2SFaxFJ001641 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFB3A82B5C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E4CA82DF7 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:58 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about randomization In-Reply-To: <20050328143140.62813.qmail@web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Content-Length: 1291 At 10:31 PM 3/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi all, >I have problems about randomization in my experiment >using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the >mailing list. >There are four conditions in my experiment and I want >them to appear in fixed order. Then you want to have a scramble emit command, the back slash, between each block at the start of a line. Like this: \ > In each condition, >there are six blocks and I want them to appear >randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file >followed by three randomized items. How can I make it >work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? You'll have to use the multi-scrambling options for such a complex job. There's an example in the help that's almost exactly what you want, look at http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhmultiscramblingscramblekeyword.htm Your backslash mentioned above will have to become a but other than that it's a direct rip from the first example. >Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose >there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and >each condition has two blocks): > >N78 f38 000000000> > >$ >0 "Intro.bmp" ; >250 / ; >$ > >0 "homo-seg set1"; >+1 "+" // *"¸õ" >/ /; >+2 "+" // *"Åx" >/ /; >+3 "+" // *"Å}" >/ /; > >0 "homo-seg set2"; >+4 "+" // *"¼Ó" >/ /; >+5 "+" // *"¨í" >/ /; >+6 "+" // *"·I" >/ /; > >0 "homo-fea set1"; >+7 "+" // *"¸õ" >/ /; >+8 "+" // *"Åx" >/ /; >+9 "+" // *"±i" >/ /; > >0 "homo-fea set2"; >+10 "+" // >*"©ñ" / /; >+11 "+" // >*"¼s" / /; >+12 "+" // >*"Å}" / /; > >Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with >DMDX before? Dozens of them. > Any help would be appreciated a lot. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --0-1099404314-1112153646=:86078-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 01:54:10 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2U8rLFJ011430 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:53:21 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DGYws-000400-KC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:53:14 +0100 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.1.20050330094703.02f13808@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:53:14 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization In-Reply-To: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> References: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, For everyone who has a randomisation problem: I have a program that can pseudo-randomise items according to a set of constrainst you can specify. It could be of help to you. You will have to randomise your items before running DmDX, of course, which is a bit more work, but on the other hand my program has many more options and this way you have the opportunity to check the order(s) before you run the experiment. There's even an option to prevent repeating patterns. You can download it, and a helpfile, at http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/maarten.van-casteren/Mix.htm Maarten van Casteren At 04:34 30/03/2005, you wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 >Content-Id: >Content-Disposition: inline >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by >psy1.psych.arizona.edu id j2U3ZQFJ010620 > > µù¡G Âà±H¶l¥ó¤wªþ¥[¤W¥h >I've read the Multi-Scarmbling keyword in the help. >In the first extended parameter, what are >and used for? When I do miltiscramble2.itm, >should miltiscramble1.itm be inclueded in the same > or have another following the first one? >Thanks a lot for your help!! > >-Jessie > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >µn°O§K¶Oªº @yahoo.com ¤¤¤å¹q¤l¶l¥ó @ http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: jessie_0731@yahoo.com.tw via 202.43.200.213; Mon, 28 Mar >2005 23:41:45 +0800 >Authentication-Results: mta161.mail.tpe.yahoo.com > from=psy1.psych.arizona.edu; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) >X-Originating-IP: [128.196.98.40] >Return-Path: >Received: from 128.196.98.40 (EHLO psy1.psych.arizona.edu) (128.196.98.40) > by mta161.mail.tpe.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:41:45 +0800 >Received: from psy1.psych.arizona.edu (IDENT:1002@localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id > j2SFbAFN001646; > Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:37:12 -0700 >Received: (from petidomo@localhost) > by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4/Submit) id j2SFaxVV001645; > Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 >X-Authentication-Warning: psy1.psych.arizona.edu: petidomo set sender to >DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu using -f >Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU >[128.196.133.142]) > by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id > j2SFaxFJ001641 > for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 >Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) > by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFB3A82B5C > for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 > -0700 (MST) >Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu >[128.196.237.6]) > by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E4CA82DF7 > for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:58 > -0700 (MST) >Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:56 -0700 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >From: "j.c.f." >Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about randomization >In-Reply-To: <20050328143140.62813.qmail@web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed >Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Precedence: list >Content-Length: 1291 >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by >psy1.psych.arizona.edu id j2U3ZQFJ010620 > >At 10:31 PM 3/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have problems about randomization in my experiment >>using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the >>mailing list. >>There are four conditions in my experiment and I want >>them to appear in fixed order. > > Then you want to have a scramble emit command, the back slash, between > each block at the start of a line. Like this: > >\ > >> In each condition, >>there are six blocks and I want them to appear >>randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file >>followed by three randomized items. How can I make it >>work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? > > You'll have to use the multi-scrambling options for such a complex > job. There's an example in the help that's almost exactly what you want, > look at > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhmultiscramblingscramblekeyword.htm > > Your backslash mentioned above will have to become a but other > than that it's a direct rip from the first example. > > >>Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose >>there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and >>each condition has two blocks): >> >>N78 f38 >000000000> >> >>$ >>0 "Intro.bmp" ; >>250 / ; >>$ >> >>0 "homo-seg set1"; >>+1 "+" // *"¸õ" >>/ /; >>+2 "+" // *"Åx" >>/ /; >>+3 "+" // *"Å}" >>/ /; >> >>0 "homo-seg set2"; >>+4 "+" // *"¼Ó" >>/ /; >>+5 "+" // *"¨í" >>/ /; >>+6 "+" // *"·I" >>/ /; >> >>0 "homo-fea set1"; >>+7 "+" // *"¸õ" >>/ /; >>+8 "+" // *"Åx" >>/ /; >>+9 "+" // *"±i" >>/ /; >> >>0 "homo-fea set2"; >>+10 "+" // >>*"©ñ" / /; >>+11 "+" // >>*"¼s" / /; >>+12 "+" // >>*"Å}" / /; >> >>Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with >>DMDX before? > > Dozens of them. > >> Any help would be appreciated a lot. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Where there is sugar, there are ants. > - Malaysian Proverb > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 01:58:33 2005 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2U8wRFJ011467 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:58:28 -0700 Received: from [137.111.48.204] (c5a204m.maccs.mq.edu.au [137.111.48.204]) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j2U8wQp19615 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:58:26 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Craig Richardson Subject: [DMDX] Computer name not recording in .azk file Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:58:21 +1000 Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, I've recently upgraded our DMDX labs from Windows 98 machines to new Windows XP (SP2) machines. The machines we got were Dell Dimension 8400s with ATI Radeon X300 video cards. I'm now only requiring people to only have user rights to the machines. This is to stop people bringing in and installing their own software onto them. These machines are optimised to run DMDX only and we want to keep it that way. One quirk we've noticed is that the computer name is not being recorded in the .azk file. Instead is being recorded in its place. When I log in with an administrator account the computer name is recorded. Does anyone have any ideas? thanks, Craig -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 02:43:45 2005 Received: from hsjdbcn.org (mail.hsjdbcn.org [62.81.177.228]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2U9hXFJ011610 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:43:33 -0700 Received: from [172.22.1.34] by hsjdbcn.org (MDaemon.PRO.v7.2.2.R) with ESMTP id md50000571409.msg for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:28:50 +0200 Message-ID: <424A7468.6030400@up.univ-mrs.fr> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:42:00 +0200 From: "F.-Xavier ALARIO" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu CC: Christophe Pallier Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization References: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20050330094703.02f13808@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20050330094703.02f13808@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list another program that does a similar job is Shuffle http://www.pallier.org/ressources/shuffle/shuffle.html Shuffle is written in Perl language and hence is compatible across platforms. x. > For everyone who has a randomisation problem: I have a program that can > pseudo-randomise items according to a set of constrainst you can specify. > It could be of help to you. > > You will have to randomise your items before running DmDX, of course, > which is a bit more work, but on the other hand my program has many > more options and this way you have the opportunity to check the order(s) > before you run the experiment. > > There's even an option to prevent repeating patterns. > > You can download it, and a helpfile, at > http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/maarten.van-casteren/Mix.htm > > Maarten van Casteren -- F.-Xavier ALARIO visiting : Grup de Recerca de Neurociència Cognitiva (GRNC) Parc Científic de Barcelona Hospital San Joan de Deu. Edifici Docent c/ Santa Rosa, 39-57 4ª Pta 08950 Esplugues - Barcelona +34 93 280 40 00 ext 4420 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 03:04:15 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2UA3lFJ011715 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:03:47 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DGa33-0004qk-Q8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:03:41 +0100 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.1.20050330105805.03165468@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:03:41 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization In-Reply-To: <424A7468.6030400@up.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20050330094703.02f13808@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> <424A7468.6030400@up.univ-mrs.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > another program that does a similar job is Shuffle > > http://www.pallier.org/ressources/shuffle/shuffle.html > > Shuffle is written in Perl language and hence is compatible across platforms. Yes, but Mix has more features, and will also randomise in blocks, fix certain items in place, format the output, allow order-constraints etc. So, it is much more versatile, although indeed limited to Windows. Maarten From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 08:16:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2UFFhFJ013249; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54294A83235; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9928A83F06; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050330081346.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Computer name not recording in .azk file In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:58 PM 3/30/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I've recently upgraded our DMDX labs from Windows 98 machines to new >Windows XP (SP2) machines. The machines we got were Dell Dimension 8400s >with ATI Radeon X300 video cards. > >I'm now only requiring people to only have user rights to the >machines. This is to stop people bringing in and installing their own >software onto them. These machines are optimised to run DMDX only and we >want to keep it that way. > >One quirk we've noticed is that the computer name is not being recorded in >the .azk file. Instead is being recorded in its >place. When I log in with an administrator account the computer name is >recorded. > >Does anyone have any ideas? It means that whatever function it is that I used for getting the machine's name isn't good for limited privileges. I'll have look at it some time and see if I can't find a better way to ascertain the machine's name. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 08:20:58 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2UFKrFJ013290 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:20:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AF2A83F60 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D169A83DB9 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:20:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050330081644.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:20:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization In-Reply-To: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:34 AM 3/30/2005 +0800, you wrote: > µù¡G Âà±H¶l¥ó¤wªþ¥[¤W¥h >I've read the Multi-Scarmbling keyword in the help. >In the first extended parameter, what are >and used for? Those are the S parameters for those scramble iterations like it says at the top of that page. > When I do miltiscramble2.itm, >should miltiscramble1.itm be inclueded in the same > or have another following the first one? You should never have to "do" miltiscramble2.itm, that is output that you can look at to check what's going wrong. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 10:47:55 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2UHlSFJ014176 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0F7A83F1E for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEF2A83EC5 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050330103638.00ba4d28@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.6 and TimeDX 3.1.06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list TimeDX 3.1.06 now has code in that overrides the use of a direct port address in the PIO test when the operating system doesn't allow direct port access. Prior to this it wouldn't enumerate those ports as choices when they weren't available, now it specifically won't allow their use even if you type a port number in. DMDX still won't check and will crash if you hack the registry to use a port address on a machine that's running NT, 2K or XP. DMDX 3.1.2.6 should now be able to determine the machine's name when running in a restricted privilege environment. Earlier it would ask for complete access to the registry key that contains the machine name even though it didn't need it, now it just asks for read access which should be available. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 17:51:22 2005 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2V0ncFJ016304 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:49:39 -0700 Received: from [137.111.48.204] (c5a204m.maccs.mq.edu.au [137.111.48.204]) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j2V0nYp28090 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:49:37 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050330103638.00ba4d28@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050330103638.00ba4d28@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <349fed58d77e4f2a51303b065bf91eb8@maccs.mq.edu.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig Richardson Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.1.2.6 and TimeDX 3.1.06 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:49:29 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thankyou Jonathan! Craig On 31/03/2005, at 3:47 AM, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > TimeDX 3.1.06 now has code in that overrides the use of a direct > port address in the PIO test when the operating system doesn't allow > direct port access. Prior to this it wouldn't enumerate those ports > as choices when they weren't available, now it specifically won't > allow their use even if you type a port number in. DMDX still won't > check and will crash if you hack the registry to use a port address on > a machine that's running NT, 2K or XP. > > DMDX 3.1.2.6 should now be able to determine the machine's name when > running in a restricted privilege environment. Earlier it would ask > for complete access to the registry key that contains the machine name > even though it didn't need it, now it just asks for read access which > should be available. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > You should hardly ever equivocate. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 4 09:42:21 2005 Received: from mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca (mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca [65.39.15.219]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j34Gf4FJ014716 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:41:04 -0700 Received: from (192.168.99.222) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 5360_9597593a_a528_11d9_84ab_00304824d47f; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server-192-168-99-248.lakeheadu.ca ([192.168.99.248] helo=postcode2) by mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DIUdI-0005kR-Kd for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:41:00 -0400 Received: from (192.168.99.248) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 5294_9367250a_a528_11d9_89c5_00304824d47f; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lucampus-192-168-83-103.lakeheadu.ca [192.168.83.103]) by postoffice.lakeheadu.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IEF00CU7L3OCQ@postoffice.lakeheadu.ca> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:40:59 -0400 From: Bruce Weaver Subject: [DMDX] Inhibition of return and spatial negative priming To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <42516E1B.9040000@lakeheadu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello folks. Has programmed either of the following with DMDX? 1. A basic attentional cuing paradigm as in the Posner & Cohen (1984) chapter on inhibition of return. 2. A spatial negative priming paradigm, where subjects select a target on the basis of some characteristic (e.g., colour), and report its location via key-press or joystick, etc. Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 4 09:47:38 2005 Received: from mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca (mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca [65.39.15.219]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j34GlWFJ014797 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:47:33 -0700 Received: from (192.168.99.222) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 5323_7d470032_a529_11d9_8de0_00304824d47f; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server-192-168-99-248.lakeheadu.ca ([192.168.99.248] helo=postcode2) by mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DIUjc-0006GB-G5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:47:32 -0400 Received: from (192.168.99.248) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 5323_7cf8edc0_a529_11d9_8de0_00304824d47f; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lucampus-192-168-83-103.lakeheadu.ca [192.168.83.103]) by postoffice.lakeheadu.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IEF00CQ9LEKCQ@postoffice.lakeheadu.ca> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:47:31 -0400 From: Bruce Weaver Subject: [DMDX] Re: Inhibition of return and spatial negative priming In-reply-to: <42516E1B.9040000@lakeheadu.ca> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <42516FA3.3050406@lakeheadu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <42516E1B.9040000@lakeheadu.ca> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list That should have read, "Has ANYONE programmed...", of course. Bruce Weaver wrote: > Hello folks. Has programmed either of the following with DMDX? > > 1. A basic attentional cuing paradigm as in the Posner & Cohen (1984) > chapter on inhibition of return. > > 2. A spatial negative priming paradigm, where subjects select a target > on the basis of some characteristic (e.g., colour), and report its > location via key-press or joystick, etc. > > Cheers, > Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 5 12:23:05 2005 Received: from mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca (mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca [65.39.15.219]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j35JLrFJ023409 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:21:54 -0700 Received: from (192.168.99.222) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 024f_396df840_a608_11d9_88c1_00304824d47f; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server-192-168-99-248.lakeheadu.ca ([192.168.99.248] helo=postcode2) by mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DItcW-0001IW-N1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:21:52 -0400 Received: from (192.168.99.248) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 0286_38a643c2_a608_11d9_9038_00304824d47f; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lucampus-192-168-83-103.lakeheadu.ca [192.168.83.103]) by postoffice.lakeheadu.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IEH00ISON7XMT@postoffice.lakeheadu.ca> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:21:50 -0400 From: Bruce Weaver Subject: [DMDX] Importing data to SPSS To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <4252E54E.4050800@lakeheadu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Matt Davis's script for importing data from .AZK files appears to produce a new file that has as a column of raw RTs for each subject. While this may be an improvement on the raw .AZK file, it is still not in the form needed for further processing in SPSS (or other stats packages). Perhaps SPSS users will find the following syntax file useful as an example of how to import directly to SPSS: http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/spss/import_from_AZK.txt It reads in the rows of the raw .AZK file as 80-character strings, then uses string manipulation functions to pull out the desired bits of information, and saves the data in a format that is amenable to further processing with the AGGREGAGE procedure. I also have it save the original string of info (about subject, scan rate, etc) so that if any of the info is needed, it can be easily obtained. Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 6 04:17:35 2005 Received: from mailhub2.une.edu.au (mailhub2.une.edu.au [129.180.1.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j36BGLFJ028637 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 04:16:21 -0700 Received: from pobox.une.edu.au (metz.une.edu.au [129.180.3.3]) by mailhub2.une.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D2F7E9F for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:16:15 +1000 (EST) Received: by pobox.une.edu.au (Postfix, from userid 20) id 9294A14D65; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:16:12 +1000 (EST) From: "Keith Majoos" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Dell Inspiron 6000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <20050406111612.9294A14D65@pobox.une.edu.au> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:16:12 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list All, Some few months ago now someone inquired about a Dell Inspiron 6000, well I'm thinking of buying a Dell Inspiron 6000UMA 1600GT. (dont know what the UMA 1600GT means) Does anyone know if the 6000 range works. I think it was Anna Woollams who said she was going to ordered one. I'd really appreciate it if someone could let me know if it worked, especially the UMA 1600GT version. warm regards, Keith Majoos Univ New England Armidale, NSW Australia From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 7 00:06:36 2005 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j376o8FJ004016 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:50:10 -0700 Received: from [137.111.48.204] (c5a204m.maccs.mq.edu.au [137.111.48.204]) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j376o1p06108 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:50:07 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <31d46c8885a3e3baa823c8604e4a71ca@maccs.mq.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Craig Richardson Subject: [DMDX] Version 3.1.2.6 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:49:57 +1000 Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, I've tried to download version 3.1.2.6 from http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/ however it seems to deliver 3.1.2.4 Is there another URL or has this version not been posted yet? cheers, Craig -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 7 06:01:39 2005 Received: from web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.42]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j37D0RFJ004996 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:00:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20050407130022.91512.qmail@web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.245.66.13] by web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:00:22 BST Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:00:22 +0100 (BST) From: KEVIN GLOVER Subject: [DMDX] SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-718574692-1112878822=:90983" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-718574692-1112878822=:90983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I need help with a couple of issues arising from my use of DMDX in a lexical decision experiment. 1.The SPC parameters include low_cutoff, ie discard RT's faster than x milliseconds. I am proposing to set the parameter to 200ms, but this is fairly arbitrary. I found two references to this in the Discussion Archive: one used 100ms and the other 300ms. I would be interested to know of others' views/experiences with this and/or to see parameter files used for similar experiments. Also, are there any published studies to which I could refer? 2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I have tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or I am doing something wrong! Many thanks if you are able to help. Kevin Glover University of Essex kjglov@essex.ac.uk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-718574692-1112878822=:90983 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I need help with a couple of issues arising from my use of DMDX in a lexical decision experiment.
 
1.The SPC parameters include low_cutoff, ie discard RT's faster than x milliseconds. I am proposing to set the parameter to 200ms, but this is fairly arbitrary. I found two references to this in the Discussion Archive: one used 100ms and the other 300ms.
 
I would be interested to know of others' views/experiences with this and/or to see parameter files used for similar experiments. Also, are there any published studies to which I could refer?
 
2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I have tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or I am doing something wrong!
 
Many thanks if you are able to help.
 
Kevin Glover
University of Essex

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-718574692-1112878822=:90983-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 7 09:48:53 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j37GmRFJ005701 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:48:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A271A7AAA3 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:48:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from KIFXP (mfg.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.29]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B0BA8E710 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:48:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:48:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c53b91$a12f5e60$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C53B56.F4D08660" In-Reply-To: <20050407130022.91512.qmail@web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C53B56.F4D08660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A low cutoff of 200 ms is usually used. This value is chosen on the = basis of the fact that if subjects are told to hit any key as soon as they see something on the screen, the RT will be around 200 ms. So anything = faster than that couldn't have involved normal processing. This cutoff is = seldom applied in a binary classification task, but it is quite important in a naming experiment, where preliminary lip smacks or heavy breathing can trigger the VOX and produce spurious RTs of 20 ms or less. =20 --k.i.f. =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of KEVIN GLOVER Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:00 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints =20 I need help with a couple of issues arising from my use of DMDX in a = lexical decision experiment. =20 1.The SPC parameters include low_cutoff, ie discard RT's faster than x milliseconds. I am proposing to set the parameter to 200ms, but this is fairly arbitrary. I found two references to this in the Discussion = Archive: one used 100ms and the other 300ms. =20 I would be interested to know of others' views/experiences with this = and/or to see parameter files used for similar experiments. Also, are there any published studies to which I could refer? =20 2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I = have tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or = I am doing something wrong! =20 Many thanks if you are able to help. =20 Kevin Glover University of Essex kjglov@essex.ac.uk Send instant messages to your online friends = http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C53B56.F4D08660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A low = cutoff of 200 ms is usually used.  This value is chosen on the basis of the = fact that if subjects are told to hit any key as soon as they see something = on the screen, the RT will be around 200 ms. So anything faster than that = couldn’t have involved normal processing.  This cutoff is seldom applied in = a binary classification task, but it is quite important in a naming = experiment, where preliminary lip smacks or heavy breathing can trigger the VOX and = produce spurious RTs of 20 ms or less.

 

--k.i.f.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu = [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of KEVIN GLOVER
Sent: Thursday, April 07, = 2005 6:00 AM
To: = DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: [DMDX] SPC File: = Low Cut-off / Screen Prints

 

I need help with a couple of issues arising from my use of DMDX = in a lexical decision experiment.

 

1.The SPC parameters include low_cutoff, ie discard RT's faster = than x milliseconds. I am proposing to set the parameter to 200ms, but = this is fairly arbitrary. I found two references to this in the Discussion = Archive: one used 100ms and the other 300ms.

 

I would be interested to know of others' views/experiences with = this and/or to see parameter files used for similar experiments. Also, = are there any published studies to which I could refer?

 

2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from = DMDX. I have tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not = work or I am doing something wrong!

 

Many thanks if you are able to help.

 

Kevin Glover

University of Essex

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com =

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C53B56.F4D08660-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 7 10:18:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j37HIZFJ005899 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:18:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34891A83C3C for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:18:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DA1A8E70B for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:18:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050407100407.00ba4b78@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:18:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints In-Reply-To: <20050407130022.91512.qmail@web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:00 PM 4/7/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I have >tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or I >am doing something wrong! I'd be real impressed if anything could do it. That said, if anything can HyperSnap-DX would be the product to do it with. You might have to use the DMDX For Really Bad Video Cards shortcut though. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 7 10:25:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j37HPfFJ005974 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:25:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563F0A832B6 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:25:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F206A7E682 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:25:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050407102336.00ba4b78@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:25:39 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Version 3.1.2.6 In-Reply-To: <31d46c8885a3e3baa823c8604e4a71ca@maccs.mq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:49 PM 4/7/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I've tried to download version 3.1.2.6 from >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/ > >however it seems to deliver 3.1.2.4 > >Is there another URL or has this version not been posted yet? How interesting, somehow the batch files have decided to start uploading dmdx.zip instead of DMDX.ZIP. I've manually fixed the DMDX.ZIP image and will see what's up with the scripts shortly. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 11 05:56:11 2005 Received: from web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.53]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j3BCsmFJ031430 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 05:54:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 67346 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2005 12:54:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050411125439.67344.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.77.111.70] by web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:54:39 BST Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:54:39 +0100 (BST) From: Nicholas Riches Subject: [DMDX] Query about video To: dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1004572272-1113224079=:66886" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1004572272-1113224079=:66886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is called NVIDIA Geforce. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Nick Riches Guys Hospital London Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1004572272-1113224079=:66886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is called NVIDIA Geforce.
 
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Nick Riches
Guys Hospital London

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1004572272-1113224079=:66886-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 11 08:31:57 2005 Received: from mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca (mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca [65.39.15.219]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3BFVSFJ032127 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:31:28 -0700 Received: from (192.168.99.222) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 6c3f_10677fd4_aa9f_11d9_8d99_00304824d47f; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server-192-168-99-248.lakeheadu.ca ([192.168.99.248] helo=postcode2) by mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DL0sl-0006Qx-7G for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:31:23 -0400 Received: from (192.168.99.248) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 6b71_0d52eedc_aa9f_11d9_9e88_00304824d47f; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lucampus-192-168-83-103.lakeheadu.ca [192.168.83.103]) by postoffice.lakeheadu.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IES00CR9GKI7K@postoffice.lakeheadu.ca> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:31:25 -0400 From: Bruce Weaver Subject: [DMDX] Experiment with 4 inputs plus start key To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <425A984D.5000802@lakeheadu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have a procedure in which subjects report the location of a target item (whilst ignoring another itme). There are 4 possible locations (up, down, left, right). In a Turbo Pascal implementation on older (DOS) machines, I used a digital joystick. It is not clear to me (from reading help files) whether DMDX can handle 4 inputs like this. Can it? Or is it limited to YES, NO, and START? Thanks, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 11 10:04:33 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3BH4TFJ032688 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:04:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E845A96B53 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:04:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2113A96CA8 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:04:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050411100346.00bc55c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:04:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Query about video In-Reply-To: <20050411125439.67344.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:54 PM 4/11/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in >TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). >However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all >bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate >colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is >called NVIDIA Geforce. > >Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Use a 24 bit video mode. Like . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 11 10:18:25 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3BGwiFJ032628 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:58:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A99A96854 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:58:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE69A95293 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:58:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050411095606.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:58:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Experiment with 4 inputs plus start key In-Reply-To: <425A984D.5000802@lakeheadu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:31 AM 4/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I have a procedure in which subjects report the location of a target item >(whilst ignoring another itme). There are 4 possible locations (up, down, >left, right). In a Turbo Pascal implementation on older (DOS) machines, I >used a digital joystick. > >It is not clear to me (from reading help files) whether DMDX can handle 4 >inputs like this. Can it? Or is it limited to YES, NO, and START? It can handle them. You can map and unmap keys as they are needed and for decisions with more than the usual number of DMDX choices see the keyword. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 11 11:10:56 2005 Received: from mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca (mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca [65.39.15.219]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3BIAYFJ000721 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:10:34 -0700 Received: from (192.168.99.222) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 6bc5_4a7896fc_aab5_11d9_9597_00304824d47f; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server-192-168-99-248.lakeheadu.ca ([192.168.99.248] helo=postcode2) by mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DL3Mk-0005zd-74 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:10:30 -0400 Received: from (192.168.99.248) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 6baf_47f322e4_aab5_11d9_9cac_00304824d47f; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lucampus-192-168-83-103.lakeheadu.ca [192.168.83.103]) by postoffice.lakeheadu.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IES00D97NXP30@postoffice.lakeheadu.ca> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:10:31 -0400 From: Bruce Weaver Subject: [DMDX] Re: Experiment with 4 inputs plus start key In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20050411095606.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <425ABD97.8080905@lakeheadu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050411095606.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > At 11:31 AM 4/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >> I have a procedure in which subjects report the location of a target >> item (whilst ignoring another itme). There are 4 possible locations >> (up, down, left, right). In a Turbo Pascal implementation on older >> (DOS) machines, I used a digital joystick. >> >> It is not clear to me (from reading help files) whether DMDX can >> handle 4 inputs like this. Can it? Or is it limited to YES, NO, and >> START? > > > It can handle them. You can map and unmap keys as they are needed and > for decisions with more than the usual number of DMDX choices see the > keyword. Thanks Jonathan. Does anyone have a simple example of using in this fashion? I didn't see it in any of the sample files I found on tutorial pages. Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 12 02:09:52 2005 Received: from web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j3C97jFJ003975 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 02:07:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 98026 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2005 09:07:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20050412090740.98024.qmail@web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [84.65.183.24] by web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:07:40 BST Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:07:40 +0100 (BST) From: Nicholas Riches Subject: [DMDX] Thanks problem sorted To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1514870654-1113296860=:97279" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1514870654-1113296860=:97279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks. Problem sorted. Nick Riches Guys Hospital, London "Jonathan C. Forster" wrote: At 01:54 PM 4/11/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in >TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). >However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all >bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate >colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is >called NVIDIA Geforce. > >Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Use a 24 bit video mode. Like . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. 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Thanks. Problem sorted.
 
Nick Riches
Guys Hospital, London

"Jonathan C. Forster" <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 01:54 PM 4/11/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in
>TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps).
>However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all
>bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate
>colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is
>called NVIDIA Geforce.
>
>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Use a 24 bit video mode. Like .


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Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1514870654-1113296860=:97279-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 13 04:37:15 2005 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-04.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.36]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j3DBZrFJ010176 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:35:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 3623 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2005 11:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO VIRGINIA) (203.217.45.17) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 13 Apr 2005 11:35:39 -0000 Message-ID: <008f01c5401c$eb089f80$0500a8c0@VIRGINIA> From: "Virginia M. Holmes" To: Subject: [DMDX] analyse and zil Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:35:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008C_01C54070.BB431E20" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C54070.BB431E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all The input file for my experiment asked for visual presentation, = consisting of an initial passage followed by five multiple-choice = questions, to which the subj pressed one of five numbers to indicate = their answer. I've tried to convert the zil results file into an azk = file so that I can use analyse. I did this by putting it into excel, = deleting which alternative they chose, and keeping the response time to = the initial passage and the questions and whether they were correct or = not. Then I put the excel file back into text format. I've achieved = this before, but I have learnt that analyse is very sensitive to format = changes. Although my file looks okay, I can't make analyse work. It = won't read the data somehow and thinks i have duplicated all the = subjects. it produces a series of noughts as output. Can anybody see = what I have done wrong? See below. Many thanks, Virginia Holmes P.S. Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that = the azk to columns program accepts it. Subjects incorporated to date: 38 =20 Data file started on machine PsychLab07 =20 ********************************************************************** = Subject 1, 04/06/2005 11:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID = MLLILLEY Item RT 1 47721 2 18441 3 16778 4 11903 5 37629 6 10257 7 58361 8 12697 9 8552 10 7726 11 7532 12 6509 13 53245 14 13567 15 -16684 16 7991 17 4936 18 3755 19 69001 20 4855 21 -19822 22 12254 23 9346 24 12864 25 72910 26 11206 27 7114 28 10502 29 -14836 30 6068 31 72585 32 10080 33 -8502 34 6278 35 25610 36 8011 37 67456 38 -4788 39 4614 40 -7539 41 6538 42 7079 43 66908 44 6514 45 10611 46 16622 47 7812 48 -6722 =20 ********************************************************************** = =20 Subject 2, 04/06/2005 12:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID = mcupples Item RT 1 33326 2 6124 3 -5123 4 5205 5 6952 6 -2350 7 98929 8 8185 9 4642 10 9965 11 11911 12 12308 13 37669 14 8915 15 6364 16 5064 17 27018 18 -2657 19 50364 20 -7771 21 12406 22 7465 23 6959 24 6203 25 77251 26 9322 27 6205 28 6316 29 8194 30 5205 31 53024 32 5880 33 12185 34 6328 35 6410 36 6739 37 67477 38 3470 39 3451 40 3461 41 6573 42 11877 43 68948 44 5226 45 6331 46 8910 47 6550 48 10737 =20 ********************************************************************** = =20 Subject 3, 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on PsychLab07, refresh 11.78ms ID = dbevan Item RT 1 40907 2 6259 3 5260 4 -3795 5 -9920 6 5534 7 58916 8 5716 9 4714 10 7732 11 7736 etc. Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C54070.BB431E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes
Department of = Psychology
University of=20 Melbourne
Parkville  3010
Australia
 
Tel:      (03) = 8344.6368
Facs:   (03)=20 9347.6618
------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C54070.BB431E20-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 13 08:12:27 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3DFBjFJ011125 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:11:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34808A97734 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:11:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7563AA9776C for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:11:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050413080411.00ba4640@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:11:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: analyse and zil In-Reply-To: <008f01c5401c$eb089f80$0500a8c0@VIRGINIA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You've got tabs in there instead of spaces, for instance between "Subjects" and "incorporated". Excel loves putting tabs in and DMDX never uses them so Analyze is thrown by their presence. I noticed someone here the other day having done the same thing (opened AZK files in Excel and saved them) that Excel had somehow changed the individual Subject header lines and we had to replace the word "Subject" with one pasted from and unmutilated AZK file. Even though it looked just the same Excel must have used some kind of extended character set character in there (I didn't stick it in my hex editor to check just what it was though). At 09:35 PM 4/13/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Dear all > > > >The input file for my experiment asked for visual presentation, consisting >of an initial passage followed by five multiple-choice questions, to which >the subj pressed one of five numbers to indicate their answer. I've tried >to convert the zil results file into an azk file so that I can use >analyse. I did this by putting it into excel, deleting which alternative >they chose, and keeping the response time to the initial passage and the >questions and whether they were correct or not. Then I put the excel file >back into text format. I've achieved this before, but I have learnt that >analyse is very sensitive to format changes. Although my file looks okay, >I can't make analyse work. It won't read the data somehow and thinks i >have duplicated all the subjects. it produces a series of noughts as >output. Can anybody see what I have done wrong? See below. > > > >Many thanks, > > > >Virginia Holmes > > > >P.S. Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that >the azk to columns program accepts it. > > > > > >Subjects incorporated to date: 38 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > >Data file started on machine PsychLab07 > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 1, 04/06/2005 11:16:10 >on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID MLLILLEY > > Item RT > > 1 47721 > > 2 18441 > > 3 16778 > > 4 11903 > > 5 37629 > > 6 10257 > > 7 58361 > > 8 12697 > > 9 8552 > > 10 7726 > > 11 7532 > > 12 6509 > > 13 53245 > > 14 13567 > > 15 -16684 > > 16 7991 > > 17 4936 > > 18 3755 > > 19 69001 > > 20 4855 > > 21 -19822 > > 22 12254 > > 23 9346 > > 24 12864 > > 25 72910 > > 26 11206 > > 27 7114 > > 28 10502 > > 29 -14836 > > 30 6068 > > 31 72585 > > 32 10080 > > 33 -8502 > > 34 6278 > > 35 25610 > > 36 8011 > > 37 67456 > > 38 -4788 > > 39 4614 > > 40 -7539 > > 41 6538 > > 42 7079 > > 43 66908 > > 44 6514 > > 45 10611 > > 46 16622 > > 47 7812 > > 48 -6722 > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 2, 04/06/2005 12:16:10 >on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID mcupples > > Item RT > > 1 33326 > > 2 6124 > > 3 -5123 > > 4 5205 > > 5 6952 > > 6 -2350 > > 7 98929 > > 8 8185 > > 9 4642 > > 10 9965 > > 11 11911 > > 12 12308 > > 13 37669 > > 14 8915 > > 15 6364 > > 16 5064 > > 17 27018 > > 18 -2657 > > 19 50364 > > 20 -7771 > > 21 12406 > > 22 7465 > > 23 6959 > > 24 6203 > > 25 77251 > > 26 9322 > > 27 6205 > > 28 6316 > > 29 8194 > > 30 5205 > > 31 53024 > > 32 5880 > > 33 12185 > > 34 6328 > > 35 6410 > > 36 6739 > > 37 67477 > > 38 3470 > > 39 3451 > > 40 3461 > > 41 6573 > > 42 11877 > > 43 68948 > > 44 5226 > > 45 6331 > > 46 8910 > > 47 6550 > > 48 10737 > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 3, 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on PsychLab07, refresh 11.78ms ID dbevan > > Item RT > > 1 40907 > > 2 6259 > > 3 5260 > > 4 -3795 > > 5 -9920 > > 6 5534 > > 7 58916 > > 8 5716 > > 9 4714 > > 10 7732 > > 11 7736 etc. > > > >Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes >Department of Psychology >University of Melbourne >Parkville 3010 >Australia > >Tel: (03) 8344.6368 >Facs: (03) 9347.6618 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 13 19:36:36 2005 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j3E2ZRFJ014350 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:35:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 2078 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2005 02:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO VIRGINIA) (203.217.45.17) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 14 Apr 2005 02:35:18 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c5409a$98cd2690$0500a8c0@VIRGINIA> From: "Virginia M. Holmes" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050413080411.00ba4640@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: analyse and zil Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:35:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear all I looked for the tabs, but they must have arrived during transmission. I am embarassed to report that I finally noticed what ultimately was causing the problem (after I got the format right). Thanks for somehow inspiring me to think laterally. Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.c.f." To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:11 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: analyse and zil > > You've got tabs in there instead of spaces, for instance between > "Subjects" and "incorporated". Excel loves putting tabs in and DMDX never > uses them so Analyze is thrown by their presence. I noticed someone here > the other day having done the same thing (opened AZK files in Excel and > saved them) that Excel had somehow changed the individual Subject header > lines and we had to replace the word "Subject" with one pasted from and > unmutilated AZK file. Even though it looked just the same Excel must have > used some kind of extended character set character in there (I didn't > stick it in my hex editor to check just what it was though). > > At 09:35 PM 4/13/2005 +1000, you wrote: > >>Dear all >> >> >> >>The input file for my experiment asked for visual presentation, consisting >>of an initial passage followed by five multiple-choice questions, to which >>the subj pressed one of five numbers to indicate their answer. I've tried >>to convert the zil results file into an azk file so that I can use >>analyse. I did this by putting it into excel, deleting which alternative >>they chose, and keeping the response time to the initial passage and the >>questions and whether they were correct or not. Then I put the excel file >>back into text format. I've achieved this before, but I have learnt that >>analyse is very sensitive to format changes. Although my file looks okay, >>I can't make analyse work. It won't read the data somehow and thinks i >>have duplicated all the subjects. it produces a series of noughts as >>output. Can anybody see what I have done wrong? See below. >> >> >> >>Many thanks, >> >> >> >>Virginia Holmes >> >> >> >>P.S. Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that >>the azk to columns program accepts it. >> >> >> >> >> >>Subjects incorporated to date: 38 >ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> >> >>Data file started on machine PsychLab07 >> >> >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>Subject 1, 04/06/2005 11:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID >>MLLILLEY >> >> Item RT >> >> 1 47721 >> >> 2 18441 >> >> 3 16778 >> >> 4 11903 >> >> 5 37629 >> >> 6 10257 >> >> 7 58361 >> >> 8 12697 >> >> 9 8552 >> >> 10 7726 >> >> 11 7532 >> >> 12 6509 >> >> 13 53245 >> >> 14 13567 >> >> 15 -16684 >> >> 16 7991 >> >> 17 4936 >> >> 18 3755 >> >> 19 69001 >> >> 20 4855 >> >> 21 -19822 >> >> 22 12254 >> >> 23 9346 >> >> 24 12864 >> >> 25 72910 >> >> 26 11206 >> >> 27 7114 >> >> 28 10502 >> >> 29 -14836 >> >> 30 6068 >> >> 31 72585 >> >> 32 10080 >> >> 33 -8502 >> >> 34 6278 >> >> 35 25610 >> >> 36 8011 >> >> 37 67456 >> >> 38 -4788 >> >> 39 4614 >> >> 40 -7539 >> >> 41 6538 >> >> 42 7079 >> >> 43 66908 >> >> 44 6514 >> >> 45 10611 >> >> 46 16622 >> >> 47 7812 >> >> 48 -6722 >> >> >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>Subject 2, 04/06/2005 12:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID >>mcupples >> >> Item RT >> >> 1 33326 >> >> 2 6124 >> >> 3 -5123 >> >> 4 5205 >> >> 5 6952 >> >> 6 -2350 >> >> 7 98929 >> >> 8 8185 >> >> 9 4642 >> >> 10 9965 >> >> 11 11911 >> >> 12 12308 >> >> 13 37669 >> >> 14 8915 >> >> 15 6364 >> >> 16 5064 >> >> 17 27018 >> >> 18 -2657 >> >> 19 50364 >> >> 20 -7771 >> >> 21 12406 >> >> 22 7465 >> >> 23 6959 >> >> 24 6203 >> >> 25 77251 >> >> 26 9322 >> >> 27 6205 >> >> 28 6316 >> >> 29 8194 >> >> 30 5205 >> >> 31 53024 >> >> 32 5880 >> >> 33 12185 >> >> 34 6328 >> >> 35 6410 >> >> 36 6739 >> >> 37 67477 >> >> 38 3470 >> >> 39 3451 >> >> 40 3461 >> >> 41 6573 >> >> 42 11877 >> >> 43 68948 >> >> 44 5226 >> >> 45 6331 >> >> 46 8910 >> >> 47 6550 >> >> 48 10737 >> >> >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>Subject 3, 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on PsychLab07, refresh 11.78ms ID >>dbevan >> >> Item RT >> >> 1 40907 >> >> 2 6259 >> >> 3 5260 >> >> 4 -3795 >> >> 5 -9920 >> >> 6 5534 >> >> 7 58916 >> >> 8 5716 >> >> 9 4714 >> >> 10 7732 >> >> 11 7736 etc. >> >> >> >>Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes >>Department of Psychology >>University of Melbourne >>Parkville 3010 >>Australia >> >>Tel: (03) 8344.6368 >>Facs: (03) 9347.6618 > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Where there is sugar, there are ants. > - Malaysian Proverb > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Apr 22 00:51:52 2005 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3M7o75L022171 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:50:15 -0700 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-POST-1.9) with ESMTP id j3M7nwWx024571 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:49:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from ITP14448 ([137.154.107.236]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-PRE-1.9) with ESMTP id j3M7nvlE024520 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:49:57 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200504220749.j3M7nvlE024520@cooper.uws.edu.au> From: "Arman Abrahamyan" To: Subject: [DMDX] Timing problem with a fast computer Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:49:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C54763.B21D3480" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C54763.B21D3480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear DMDX community, I have got a problem with DMDX experiment running in the continuous mode ( parameter). In short, the experiment that should run 59.451 min (in diagnostic mode), finishes in about 46 min. Here is the parameter line I have used: ---- ---- and, an example of one trial: ----- 99 "Please count male face(s)" /; 1221 "cross.bmp" / ! "122.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 2111 "cross.bmp" / ! "211.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 1224 "cross.bmp" / ! "122.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 2224 "cross.bmp" / ! "222.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 1212 "cross.bmp" / ! "121.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 1213 "cross.bmp" / ! "121.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 1224 "cross.bmp" / ! "122.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 2111 "cross.bmp" / ! "211.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; +1110100 * "Your response !!!"; 99 "Get ready for the next trial" /; ---- I am using Acer Travel Mate 8000 which has Pentium Mobile (Centrino) 2.2 GHz processor, 1.5 Gb RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 with 128 MB DDR RAM (good laptop for gamers). Didn't have any other problem running experiment on this machine until discovered the timing issue. In this experiment, the duration of one tick is 16.17 ms (determined by DMDX) and the vertical refresh rate is 60 Hz. I have another laptop (60Hz, tick=16.680ms), where the experiment runs at the right pace. Running the experiment on both laptops simultaneously showed difference in the presentation time after the forth item (see the example trial above). Would appreciate any idea about what could be a possible cause, and, more importantly, how to solve the puzzle. All the best, Arman -- Arman Abrahamyan Doctoral Student School of Psychology & MARCS Auditory Laboratories University of Western Sydney - Bankstown Campus Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South DC NSW 1797 Australia Phone: (+612) 9772 6660; Fax: (+612) 9772 6326 E-mail: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au WWW: http://marcs.uws.edu.au/people/abrahamyan/ ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C54763.B21D3480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear = DMDX community,=20
 
I have = got a problem=20 with DMDX experiment = running in the=20 continuous mode (<cr> parameter). In short, the experiment that = should run=20 59.451 min (in diagnostic mode), = finishes=20 in about 46 min.
Here is=20 the parameter line I have used:=20
 
----
<ep> <s 1> <g 11> <fd 1> <cr> = <nfb>=20 <t 3000> <d 0> <id keyboard> <dbc 193193193> = <vm=20 1024,768,768,16,60> = <zil>=20 <zor> <vzk +Left Arrow> <vzk +Right Arrow> <vzk = +Down=20 Arrow> <eop>
----
 
and, an example of one=20 trial:
-----
99 "Please count male face(s)" <ms% = 2000> /;=20
1221 <bmp> “cross.bmp” <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp = 121, 20>=20 “122.bmp” <ms% 100> / <bmp> = “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
2111=20 <bmp> “cross.bmp” <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp 14, = 20> “211.bmp” <ms%=20 100> / <bmp> “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / = ;
1224 <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 900>/ ! <bmp 633, 390> = “122.bmp” <ms% 100> /=20 <bmp> “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
2224 = <bmp> “cross.bmp”=20 <ms% 1100>/ ! <bmp 553, 390> “222.bmp” <ms% = 100> / <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
1212 <bmp> = “cross.bmp” <ms%=20 1100>/ ! <bmp 633, 20> “121.bmp” <ms% 100> / = <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
1213 <bmp> = “cross.bmp” <ms%=20 1200>/ ! <bmp 121, 390> “121.bmp” <ms% 100> / = <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
1224 <bmp> = “cross.bmp” <ms%=20 900>/ ! <bmp 633, 390> “122.bmp” <ms% 100> / = <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
2111 <bmp> = “cross.bmp” <ms%=20 1200>/ ! <bmp 14, 20> “211.bmp” <ms% 100> / = <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
 +1110100=20 <umnr><umpr><mpr +Left Arrow><mnr +Right = Arrow><mnr=20 +Down Arrow>  * "Your response !!!";
99 "Get ready for the = next=20 trial"  <ms% 1500>/;
----
 
I am using Acer Travel Mate 8000 which = has Pentium=20 Mobile (Centrino) 2.2 GHz processor, 1.5 Gb RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon = 9700 with=20 128 MB DDR RAM (good laptop for gamers).
Didn't have any other problem running = experiment on=20 this machine until discovered the timing issue. =
 
In this experiment, the duration of one tick = is 16.17=20 ms (determined by DMDX) and the vertical refresh rate is 60 Hz.=20
I have another laptop (60Hz, = tick=3D16.680ms), where the=20 experiment runs at the right pace. Running the experiment on both = laptops=20 simultaneously showed difference in the presentation time after the = forth item=20 (see the example trial above).
 
Would appreciate any idea about what could be a possible cause, = and, more=20 importantly, how to solve the puzzle.
 
All the=20 best,
Arman
 
--
Arman Abrahamyan
Doctoral Student
School of Psychology & = MARCS=20 Auditory Laboratories
University of Western Sydney - Bankstown=20 Campus
Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South DC NSW 1797 Australia
Phone: = (+612)=20 9772 6660; Fax: (+612) 9772 6326
E-mail: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au =
WWW:=20 http://marcs.uws.edu.au/people/abrahamyan/
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C54763.B21D3480-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Apr 22 14:46:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3MLjN5L026078 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530EDA9DFDD for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6EEA9E003 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050422142655.00ba4cc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing problem with a fast computer In-Reply-To: <200504220749.j3M7nvlE024520@cooper.uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_364169062==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_364169062==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You aren't running the item file in a fixed ISI mode ( simply means go as fast as possible which is anything but fixed) so the variance is attributable to things like the speed that the laptops are reading your bitmaps. If you really wanted a fixed ISI you will have to use a value for the delay parameter that is long enough for the machine to prepare them item (see the preparation time help in the delay keyword help for details). You would also have to ensure that the display was longer than any response gathered, currently "Your response !!!" will stay on the screen till they respond and then the next item will commence. You would have to have another frame after that and make the "Your response !!!" frame longer than the timeout with something like this: +1110100 * "Your response !!!" <%ms 3000> / ; At 05:49 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Dear DMDX community, > >I have got a problem with DMDX experiment running in the continuous mode >( parameter). In short, the experiment that should run 59.451 min (in >diagnostic mode), finishes in about 46 min. >Here is the parameter line I have used: > >---- > 193193193> +Right Arrow> >---- > >and, an example of one trial: >----- >99 "Please count male face(s)" /; >1221 cross.bmp / ! 122.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >2111 cross.bmp / ! 211.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >1224 cross.bmp / ! 122.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >2224 cross.bmp / ! 222.bmp / > cross.bmp / ; >1212 cross.bmp / ! 121.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >1213 cross.bmp / ! 121.bmp / > cross.bmp / ; >1224 cross.bmp / ! 122.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >2111 cross.bmp / ! 211.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; > +1110100 Arrow> * "Your response !!!"; >99 "Get ready for the next trial" /; >---- > >I am using Acer Travel Mate 8000 which has Pentium Mobile (Centrino) 2.2 >GHz processor, 1.5 Gb RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 with 128 MB DDR RAM >(good laptop for gamers). >Didn't have any other problem running experiment on this machine until >discovered the timing issue. > >In this experiment, the duration of one tick is 16.17 ms (determined by >DMDX) and the vertical refresh rate is 60 Hz. >I have another laptop (60Hz, tick=16.680ms), where the experiment runs at >the right pace. Running the experiment on both laptops simultaneously >showed difference in the presentation time after the forth item (see the >example trial above). > >Would appreciate any idea about what could be a possible cause, and, more >importantly, how to solve the puzzle. > >All the best, >Arman > >-- >Arman Abrahamyan >Doctoral Student >School of Psychology & MARCS Auditory Laboratories >University of Western Sydney - Bankstown Campus >Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South DC NSW 1797 Australia >Phone: (+612) 9772 6660; Fax: (+612) 9772 6326 >E-mail: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au >WWW: >http://marcs.uws.edu.au/people/abrahamyan/ > /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Dickson's Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant. --=====================_364169062==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
  You aren't running the item file in a fixed ISI mode (<d 0> simply means go as fast as possible which is anything but fixed) so the variance is attributable to things like the speed that the laptops are reading your bitmaps.  If you really wanted a fixed ISI you will have to use a value for the delay parameter that is long enough for the machine to prepare them item (see the preparation time help in the delay keyword help for details).  You would also have to ensure that the display was longer than any response gathered, currently "Your response !!!" will stay on the screen till they respond and then the next item will commence.  You would have to have another frame after that and make the "Your response !!!"  frame longer than the timeout with something like this:

+1110100 <umnr><umpr><mpr +Left Arrow><mnr +Right Arrow><mnr +Down Arrow>  * "Your response !!!" <%ms 3000> / ;

At 05:49 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, you wrote:
Dear DMDX community,
 
I have got a problem with DMDX experiment running in the continuous mode (<cr> parameter). In short, the experiment that should run 59.451 min (in diagnostic mode), finishes in about 46 min.
Here is the parameter line I have used:
 
----
<ep> <s 1> <g 11> <fd 1> <cr> <nfb> <t 3000> <d 0> <id keyboard> <dbc 193193193> <vm 1024,768,768,16,60> <zil> <zor> <vzk +Left Arrow> <vzk +Right Arrow> <vzk +Down Arrow> <eop>
----
 
and, an example of one trial:
-----
99 "Please count male face(s)" <ms% 2000> /;
1221 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp 121, 20> 122.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
2111 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp 14, 20> 211.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
1224 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 900>/ ! <bmp 633, 390> 122.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
2224 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1100>/ ! <bmp 553, 390> 222.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
1212 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1100>/ ! <bmp 633, 20> 121.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
1213 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp 121, 390> 121.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
1224 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 900>/ ! <bmp 633, 390> 122.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
2111 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp 14, 20> 211.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
 +1110100 <umnr><umpr><mpr +Left Arrow><mnr +Right Arrow><mnr +Down Arrow>  * "Your response !!!";
99 "Get ready for the next trial"  <ms% 1500>/;
----
 
I am using Acer Travel Mate 8000 which has Pentium Mobile (Centrino) 2.2 GHz processor, 1.5 Gb RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 with 128 MB DDR RAM (good laptop for gamers).
Didn't have any other problem running experiment on this machine until discovered the timing issue.
 
In this experiment, the duration of one tick is 16.17 ms (determined by DMDX) and the vertical refresh rate is 60 Hz.
I have another laptop (60Hz, tick=16.680ms), where the experiment runs at the right pace. Running the experiment on both laptops simultaneously showed difference in the presentation time after the forth item (see the example trial above).
 
Would appreciate any idea about what could be a possible cause, and, more importantly, how to solve the puzzle.
 
All the best,
Arman
 
--
Arman Abrahamyan
Doctoral Student
School of Psychology & MARCS Auditory Laboratories
University of Western Sydney - Bankstown Campus
Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South DC NSW 1797 Australia
Phone: (+612) 9772 6660; Fax: (+612) 9772 6326
E-mail: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au
WWW: http://marcs.uws.edu.au/people/abrahamyan/
 


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--=====================_364169062==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Apr 22 17:11:15 2005 Received: from mailhub2.une.edu.au (mailhub2.une.edu.au [129.180.1.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3N0B05L026785 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:11:01 -0700 Received: from pobox.une.edu.au (metz.une.edu.au [129.180.3.3]) by mailhub2.une.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D36F8083 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:10:55 +1000 (EST) Received: by pobox.une.edu.au (Postfix, from userid 20) id 86E2D26303; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:10:48 +1000 (EST) From: "Keith Majoos" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Time Video Mode MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <20050423001048.86E2D26303@pobox.une.edu.au> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:10:48 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Help. TIMEDX (v 3.1.06) keeps displaying the following message "failed to find 100 cycles without a missed retrace after 5000 cycles", when I try to set the Time Video Mode. System: Pentium 4 2.66 Ghz, ATI Radeon 9000 card, 512 MB memory, monitor Philips 107 t4 Is this just one of those configurations that do not work, or am I doing something wrong. I have had DMDX working on a few computers now, except this one. regards, Keith Majoos University New England Armidale, Australia From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Apr 23 08:01:18 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3NEwp5L029518 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:58:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EBFA9F65E for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C16AA9EF66 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:58:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050423075441.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:58:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Time Video Mode In-Reply-To: <20050423001048.86E2D26303@pobox.une.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:10 AM 4/23/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Help. > >TIMEDX (v 3.1.06) keeps displaying the following message "failed to find >100 cycles without a missed retrace after 5000 cycles", when I try to >set the Time Video Mode. > >System: Pentium 4 2.66 Ghz, ATI Radeon 9000 card, 512 MB memory, monitor >Philips 107 t4 > >Is this just one of those configurations that do not work, or am I doing >something wrong. I have had DMDX working on a few computers now, except >this one. Some machines need to have the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Drivers" check box checked in the Refresh Rate test. In the unlikely circumstance this doesn't get it you'll have to drop the number of cycles to test in that same dialog till it can get a good sample -- but the accuracy of the refresh rate determination will be impaired and you might have to enter the refresh rate manually in the Time Video Mode tests. Tons of discussion in the TimeDX help. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ A painting in a museum probably hears more foolish remarks than anything else in the world. - Edmund & Jules Goncourt From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 27 02:24:43 2005 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3R9N65L022429 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 02:23:07 -0700 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-POST-1.9) with ESMTP id j3R9MxWx014886 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:22:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from ITP14448 ([137.154.107.236]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-PRE-1.9) with ESMTP id j3R9MwlE014849; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:22:58 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200504270922.j3R9MwlE014849@cooper.uws.edu.au> From: "Arman Abrahamyan" To: "'Kenneth Forster'" , Subject: [DMDX] RE: DMDX timing problem Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:22:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C54B5E.84E0C820" In-Reply-To: <001c01c54755$08206460$1d62c480@KIFXP> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C54B5E.84E0C820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ken & Jonathan, The major cause of running DMDX faster on a laptop was incorrect recognition of the external monitor in Windows XP. Windows didn't change the monitor type from the default one (which is it's own LCD screen) to the one which was plugged externally. However, it did allow me to choose higher refresh rates. This mix-up was making TimeDX to give out vertical refresh interval in ms and other parameters inconsistently with the actual refresh rate. The solution was to manually set the type of the monitor to the external one. Once it was done, the TimeDX was able to get correct vertical refresh time and program ran as expected. I guess some people are using laptops with external monitors - thought would be useful to share the experience. In order to set type of the monitor manually, go to Display Properties-->Settings-->Advanced-->Monitor. Select the external monitor and choose the refresh rate. In my case it is "Plug and Play Monitor", but could be different with different monitors & different versions of Windows. Thanks for your replies - they helped to have stringent control over stimuli presentation timings. Thank you, Arman _____ From: Kenneth Forster [mailto:kforster@u.arizona.edu] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:05 AM To: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au Subject: [DMDX] DMDX timing problem Arman, My suspicion is that the refresh time as indicated by TimeDX is wrong, and it's really more like 16.6 ms. We see this every now and then - TimeDX either fails to give any value at all, or it gives a stupid one. If the refresh rate is 60 Hz, then the refresh cycle can't be 16.1 ms. Downloading and installing the latest set of drivers for the graphics card usually solves the problem. --Ken Forster ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C54B5E.84E0C820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Ken & Jonathan,
 
The major cause of running DMDX faster on a = laptop was=20 incorrect recognition of the external monitor in Windows = XP. Windows=20 didn't change the monitor type from the default one (which is it's own = LCD=20 screen) to the one which was plugged externally. However, it did allow = me to=20 choose higher refresh rates. This mix-up was making TimeDX to give out = vertical=20 refresh interval in ms and other parameters inconsistently with the = actual=20 refresh rate. The solution was to manually set the type of the monitor = to the=20 external one. Once it was done, the TimeDX was able to get correct = vertical=20 refresh time and program ran as expected.
 
I guess some people are using laptops with = external=20 monitors - thought would be useful to share the experience. In order to = set type=20 of the monitor manually, go to Display=20 Properties-->Settings-->Advanced-->Monitor. Select the external = monitor=20 and choose the refresh rate. In my case it is "Plug and Play Monitor", = but could=20 be different with different monitors & different versions of = Windows.=20
 
Thanks=20 for your replies - they helped to have stringent control over stimuli=20 presentation timings.  
 
Thank=20 you,
Arman
 
From: = Kenneth Forster=20 [mailto:kforster@u.arizona.edu]
Sent: Saturday, April 23, = 2005 2:05=20 AM
To: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au
Subject: DMDX timing=20 problem

Arman,

 

          &nb= sp;=20 My suspicion is that the refresh time as indicated by TimeDX is wrong, = and it’s=20 really more like 16.6 ms.  We see this every now and then – = TimeDX either=20 fails to give any value at all, or it gives a stupid one.  If the = refresh=20 rate is 60 Hz, then the refresh cycle can’t be 16.1 ms. = Downloading and=20 installing the latest set of drivers for the graphics card usually = solves the=20 problem.

 

          &nb= sp;=20 --Ken Forster

 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C54B5E.84E0C820-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 27 13:19:59 2005 Received: from web51002.mail.yahoo.com (web51002.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.133]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j3RKJL5L025679 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 3502 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2005 20:19:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20050427201908.3500.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.230.95.49] by web51002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:08 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jackie Holloway Subject: [DMDX] using serial port for EEG? To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDX, we are looking to use DMDX for experiments with EEG. E-prime had been previously used in the lab for some of these experiments, but the timing seems to be an issue now. We want to try DMDX, but my concern is that in DMDX help files it says "nor does it use serial ports (although it could)". Serial ports have been what we have used to send triggers to E-probe, which is set to accept these triggers. How can a serial port be used to send triggers with DMDX? Would you use the command in the header line? Can we avoid buying a PIO card? Thank you for any help. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 27 16:10:42 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3RNA75L026676 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:10:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC47A9DB7D for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:10:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01037A85281 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:10:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050427155658.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:10:05 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: using serial port for EEG? In-Reply-To: <20050427201908.3500.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:19 PM 4/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear DMDX, >we are looking to use DMDX for experiments with EEG. >E-prime had been previously used in the lab for some >of these experiments, but the timing seems to be an >issue now. We want to try DMDX, but my concern is >that in DMDX help files it says "nor does it use >serial ports (although it could)". Serial ports have >been what we have used to send triggers to E-probe, >which is set to accept these triggers. How can a >serial port be used to send triggers with DMDX? Would >you use the command in the header line? Can we >avoid buying a PIO card? You would have to sponsor the additions to DMDX that would allow it to send data out the serial port. With said modifications done you wouldn't have to buy a PIO card, but the modifications to DMDX are going to cost you more than a PIO card will. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Dickson's Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 28 09:04:34 2005 Received: from torrent.cc.mcgill.ca (torrent.cc.mcgill.ca [132.206.27.49]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3SG2u5L031350 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:02:56 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cc.mcgill.ca (mailscan3.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.250]) by torrent.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j3SG2p6q015403 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:02:55 -0400 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca (vpn93232.VPN.McGill.CA [132.216.93.232]) by mailscan3.cc.mcgill.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j3SG2iBh010850 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42710923.4020507@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:02:43 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello! I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be. Thank you, Nathalie ****************************** Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student McGill University School of Communication Sciences and Disorders 1266 Pine Avenue West Montreal, Quebec H3G 1A8 Phone: 514-398-6895 Fax: 514-398-8123 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 28 10:26:35 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3SHQC5L031829 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:26:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21225A9D221 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:26:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81930A9A7C9 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:26:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050428100728.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:26:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz In-Reply-To: <42710923.4020507@mail.mcgill.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hello! > >I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations >are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I >set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the >presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be >running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I >need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: > >(1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am wondering >what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll probably have to get a new video card. >I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in >the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing >with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in >laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor >(ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't capable of providing a display at 160Hz. >(2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests >section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I >think that is now quite what it should be. You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video Drivers". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Dickson's Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Apr 29 08:17:38 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3TFGc5L005660 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:16:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F12A9DD76 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:16:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECBAAA010E for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:16:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050429081018.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:16:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] monitor refresh rates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Another thing about monitor refresh rates is that there's a check box on some machines (maybe all) that tells the machine to hide the video modes that it thinks the monitor can't handle. While this is fine and dandy if the machine really recognizes the monitor a lot of the time XP recognizes monitors as Plug and Play Monitor, which means it doesn't recognize it at all. Either install the software that came with the monitor or uncheck that check box and perhaps new faster video modes will become available to DMDX. It's usually in the Control Panel / Display / Settings / Advanced / Monitor tab. If it's not there it's possible you need to get better video drivers for the video card. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Kids have *never* taken guidance from their parents. If you could travel back in time and observe the original primate family in the original tree, you would see the primate parents yelling at the primate teenager for sitting around and sulking all day instead of hunting for grubs and berries like dad primate. Then you'd see the primate teenager stomp up to his branch and slam the leaves. - Dave Barry, "Kids Today: They Don't Know Dum Diddly Do" From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 3 07:18:59 2005 Received: from mailhub1.shef.ac.uk (mailhub1.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.9]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j43EHD5L032220 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 07:17:14 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by mailhub1.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSyD1-0005Qf-Uf for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 03 May 2005 15:17:12 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1DSyD1-0001bz-Mi for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 03 May 2005 15:17:11 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:17:11 +0100 Message-ID: <1115129831.427787e798a14@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:17:11 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX mailing list Subject: [DMDX] Analyze and 2.0 SD trimming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, I'm running analyze and I have no 2.0 SD trimming command in my specification file, however trimming does seem to occur as shown in my .ism files. In a previous query, see link: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=1923726 it was suggested that trimming is done by default. I would like to have only high and low cut-off values rather than trimming---is there anyway not to trim the data? Here is my .spc file specifications: discard_display_errors low_cutoff: 250 high_cutoff: 2000 Here is a sample from my .ism file output: SUBJECT %ERRORS MEAN S.D. SD/MEAN 2.0-SD MISSING CUTOFF DISPLAY 1 2 498.9 89.6 0.18 15 0 0 0 2 6 442.9 88.3 0.20 9 0 0 0 3 4 490.6 81.4 0.17 13 0 0 0 Thanks, Carrie Ankerstein -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 3 08:12:04 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j43FBw5L032523 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 08:11:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78E4AA2056 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 08:11:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFDFAA20D7 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 08:11:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050503081039.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 08:11:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Analyze and 2.0 SD trimming In-Reply-To: <1115129831.427787e798a14@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:17 PM 5/3/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm running analyze and I have no 2.0 SD trimming command in my specification >file, however trimming does seem to occur as shown in my .ism files. In a >previous query, see link: >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=1923726 it was suggested >that trimming is done by default. I would like to have only high and low >cut-off values rather than trimming---is there anyway not to trim the data? Set the data_threshold to something absurdly large like 100. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." - Matt Cartmill From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 5 06:44:42 2005 Received: from kunai.fi.uba.ar (kunai.fi.uba.ar [157.92.49.8]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j45Dhb5L012803 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 06:43:37 -0700 Received: from [157.92.48.198] (dhcpa198.fi.uba.ar [157.92.48.198]) (authenticated bits=0) by kunai.fi.uba.ar (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j45DhXDn001622 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 10:43:33 -0300 Message-ID: <427A236C.2090802@fi.uba.ar> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 10:45:16 -0300 From: Pablo Barttfeld MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] loading pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi everyone! I’m trying to use DMDX to run an experiment about priming and image categorization. My problem is that I need to show on screen two bitmap files of 5 Kb each, titillating at 32 ms. (1 tic one of them, 1 tic the other, and so on) I guess that the loading time of a picture every 16 ms would decrease the real frequency. How could I get the right frequency or at least one as close as possible? Thanks. Pablo. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 5 08:17:55 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j45FHY5L013284 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 08:17:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0D2A9DE38 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 08:17:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67811A9F246 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 08:17:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050505081317.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 08:17:32 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: loading pictures In-Reply-To: <427A236C.2090802@fi.uba.ar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:45 AM 5/5/2005 -0300, you wrote: >Hi everyone! > >I'm trying to use DMDX to run an experiment about priming and image >categorization. My problem is that I need to show on screen two bitmap >files of 5 Kb each, titillating at 32 ms. (1 tic one of them, 1 tic the >other, and so on) > >I guess that the loading time of a picture every 16 ms would decrease the >real frequency. How could I get the right frequency or at least one as >close as possible? Use the keyword. You will have to decide how many times you want the sequence repeated but you can do it within the capabilities of your machine. 1 %1 g "display1" / %1 g "display2" / ; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." - Matt Cartmill From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat May 7 18:20:49 2005 Received: from web60418.mail.yahoo.com (web60418.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.178.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j481Jk5L028211 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:19:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 10746 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2005 01:19:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20050508011940.10744.qmail@web60418.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [201.235.15.243] by web60418.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 May 2005 22:19:40 ART Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 22:19:40 -0300 (ART) From: Pablo Galeano Subject: [DMDX] Pablo Galeano To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1864324985-1115515180=:7279" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1864324985-1115515180=:7279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the subject's response? e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment +001 / "" %60 / "hz900" / "" %60 / "cuadrado" %60 / "" %150 / "linea2" / * ! "linea1" %200 /; In this case i want to clear the last screen ("linea 1" and "linea 2") immediatly after the subject's response and to the feedback to appear. Sincerely, Pablo Galeano --------------------------------- A tu celular ¿no le falta algo? Usá Yahoo! Messenger y Correo Yahoo! en tu teléfono celular. Más información aquí. --0-1864324985-1115515180=:7279 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the subject's response?

e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment

+001 <clfb> <cfb "ACIERTO"> <wfb "ERROR"> <tlfb "NO RESPONDIO"> / "" %60 / <wav> "hz900" / "" %60 / <tbg> <bmp 284, 83> "cuadrado" %60 / "" %150 / <tbg> <bmp 127, 323 > "linea2" / * ! <tbg> <bmp 440, 323> "linea1" %200 /;

In this case i want to clear the last screen ("linea 1" and "linea 2") immediatly after

the subject's response and to the feedback to appear.

Sincerely, Pablo Galeano

A tu celular ¿no le falta algo?
Usá Yahoo! Messenger y Correo Yahoo! en tu teléfono celular.
Más información aquí. --0-1864324985-1115515180=:7279-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat May 7 21:51:33 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j484op5L029138 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C0BAA2B42 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24ADA9F878 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050507214759.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 21:50:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Pablo Galeano In-Reply-To: <20050508011940.10744.qmail@web60418.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:19 PM 5/7/2005 -0300, you wrote: >How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the >subject's response? > >e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment > >+001 / "" %60 / > "hz900" / "" %60 / "cuadrado" %60 / "" %150 / > "linea2" / * ! "linea1" %200 /; > >In this case i want to clear the last screen ("linea 1" and "linea 2") >immediatly after > >the subject's response and to the feedback to appear. Take out the keywords for a start, it's not doing what you might think it's doing. Assuming you want linea1 left on the screen till the response take out the slash before the semicolon. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." - Matt Cartmill From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 8 06:58:50 2005 Received: from web60414.mail.yahoo.com (web60414.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.178.157]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j48DwA5L031309 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 06:58:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 14415 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2005 13:58:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20050508135805.14413.qmail@web60414.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [201.235.15.243] by web60414.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 10:58:05 ART Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 10:58:05 -0300 (ART) From: Pablo Galeano Subject: [DMDX] Re: Pablo Galeano To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1548497294-1115560685=:14392" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1548497294-1115560685=:14392 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks you very much. That was just what a needed. Now it works perfectly Sincerely, Pablo Galeano "j.c.f." escribió: At 10:19 PM 5/7/2005 -0300, you wrote: >How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the >subject's response? > >e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment > >+001 / "" %60 / > "hz900" / "" %60 / "cuadrado" %60 / "" %150 / > "linea2" / * ! "linea1" %200 /; > >In this case i want to clear the last screen ("linea 1" and "linea 2") >immediatly after > >the subject's response and to the feedback to appear. Take out the keywords for a start, it's not doing what you might think it's doing. Assuming you want linea1 left on the screen till the response take out the slash before the semicolon. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." - Matt Cartmill ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo Abrí tu cuenta aquí --0-1548497294-1115560685=:14392 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks you very much. That was just what a needed. Now it works perfectly
 
Sincerely, Pablo Galeano

"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> escribió:
At 10:19 PM 5/7/2005 -0300, you wrote:

>How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the
>subject's response?
>
>e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment
>
>+001 / "" %60 /
> "hz900" / "" %60 / "cuadrado" %60 / "" %150 /
> "linea2" / * ! "linea1" %200 /;
>
>In this case i want to clear the last screen ("linea 1" and "linea 2")
>immediatly after
>
>the subject's response and to the feedback to appear.

Take out the keywords for a start, it's not doing what you might
think it's doing. Assuming you want linea1 left on the screen till the
response take out the slash before the semicolon.

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Hello,
I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program.

In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event happens?

In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV (Window XP)?

Thank´s you in advance

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Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1545591402-1115750481=:98194-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 10 13:07:07 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4AK6p5L014097 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E79EAA3D67 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E5FA9D696 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050510130353.00ba4bc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX and output signals In-Reply-To: <20050510184121.2020.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter >with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program. > >In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an >ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not >possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is >neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Yes, you need a PIO card. > Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event > happens? Any signal is going to need a PIO. >In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV >(Window XP)? The one I always recommend: PCI-DIO24 24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00 http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. - Clive James From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 12 05:47:47 2005 Received: from web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.230]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j4CCjs5L027696 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:45:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 8283 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2005 12:45:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20050512124545.8281.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.55.77.140] by web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:45:45 PDT Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 05:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Yorio Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX and output signals To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1294231057-1115901945=:7438" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1294231057-1115901945=:7438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Jonathan C. Forster Thanks you very much "Jonathan C. Forster" wrote: At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter >with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program. > >In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an >ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not >possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is >neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Yes, you need a PIO card. > Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event > happens? Any signal is going to need a PIO. >In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV >(Window XP)? The one I always recommend: PCI-DIO24 24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00 http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. - Clive James ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. 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Dear Jonathan C. Forster
Thanks you very much

"Jonathan C. Forster" <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello,
>I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter
>with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program.
>
>In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an
>ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not
>possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is
>neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth?

Yes, you need a PIO card.

> Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event
> happens?

Any signal is going to need a PIO.

>In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV
>(Window XP)?

The one I always recommend:

PCI-DIO24
24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00

http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4

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Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour --0-1294231057-1115901945=:7438-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 12 10:53:03 2005 Received: from web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.98]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j4CHqH5L029909 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:52:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 59748 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2005 17:52:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20050512175212.59746.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [157.92.4.151] by web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:52:12 PDT Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Yorio Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX and output signals To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050510130353.00ba4bc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1467683839-1115920332=:59294" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1467683839-1115920332=:59294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Jonathan Forster Thanks you very much "Jonathan C. Forster" wrote: At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter >with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program. > >In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an >ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not >possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is >neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Yes, you need a PIO card. > Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event > happens? Any signal is going to need a PIO. >In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV >(Window XP)? The one I always recommend: PCI-DIO24 24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00 http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. - Clive James ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1467683839-1115920332=:59294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dear Jonathan Forster
Thanks you very much

"Jonathan C. Forster" <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello,
>I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter
>with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program.
>
>In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an
>ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not
>possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is
>neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth?

Yes, you need a PIO card.

> Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event
> happens?

Any signal is going to need a PIO.

>In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV
>(Window XP)?

The one I always recommend:

PCI-DIO24
24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00

http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4

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Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1467683839-1115920332=:59294-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 15 08:12:03 2005 Received: from nenu.edu.cn ([202.198.129.55]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j4FFAO5L015775 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:10:32 -0700 Received: (eyou send program); Sun, 15 May 2005 23:21:14 +0800 Message-ID: <316170474.13624@nenu.edu.cn> Received: from 219.217.41.65 by mail.nenu.edu.cn with HTTP; Sun, 15 May 2005 23:21:14 +0800 From: "Íõ¹úÃ÷" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 23:21:14 +0800 Subject: [DMDX] Feedback to blindman. Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello everyone, I've made a program of auditory Inhibition of Return (IOR). Now, I want to put it to the blindman. You know, blindman can't see the FEEDBACK on the screen, and It's unsuitable to use auditory feedback. So, I think If blindman made a fault, the program will stop there,when blind subjects find this, they will know that they have made a fualt. How can I do this? Please tell me, thank you very much. $ 0 "Start"; 250/; $ +1 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500"; +2 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500"; +3 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500"; +4 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500"; $ 0 "End"; $ -------------------------------------------------- Greed is good or not? From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 15 12:22:37 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4FJLj5L016770 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:21:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9ECBAA3ADA for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:21:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF5FAA185C for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:21:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050515121433.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:21:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Feedback to blindman. In-Reply-To: <316170474.13624@nenu.edu.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You can make your end item some unique item number, like 9999 and tell DMDX to branch there if the subject makes a mistake with in every item: +1 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500" ; +2 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500" ; +3 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500" ; +4 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500" ; $ 9999 "End"; $ If you want to make it stop till they hit a key then you make a routine that maps the request to some other key and waits till they hit it. 0 "Start" ; ~999 ; 0 "wrong"; ~1 ; 250/; $ +1 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500" ; +2 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500" ; +3 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500" ; +4 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500" ; At 11:21 PM 5/15/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > > I've made a program of auditory Inhibition of Return (IOR). Now, I > want to put >it to the blindman. You know, blindman can't see the FEEDBACK on the >screen, and >It's unsuitable to use auditory feedback. So, I think If blindman made a >fault, >the program will stop there,when blind subjects find this, they will know that >they have made a fualt. How can I do this? Please tell me, thank you very >much. > > > > > > 640,480,480,8,0> > > > >$ >0 "Start"; >250/; >$ >+1 >1000> > >"+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500"; >+2 >1000> > >"+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500"; >+3 >1000> > >"+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500"; >+4 >1000> > >"+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500"; > >$ >0 "End"; >$ > > > > >-------------------------------------------------- >Greed is good or not? >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 24 13:44:31 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4OKfM5L009173 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:41:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1749AA704D for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:41:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3D0AA6D70 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:41:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050524134009.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:41:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 3.1.2.7 makes the misplaced keyword at start of item error easier to debug. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled. - Plutarch From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 26 16:58:55 2005 Received: from ALPHA9.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha9.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.9]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4QNuh5L022933 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:56:43 -0700 Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.82]) by vaxh.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.2-1 #31112) with ESMTP id <01LOQYP4L4M09ANURU@vaxh.its.monash.edu.au> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:34 +1000 Received: from larry.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98A180002 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from monash.edu.au (balamb.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.11.237]) by larry.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694BF3C003 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from [130.194.162.48] by mail-store-1.its.monash.edu.au (mshttpd) ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:33 +1000 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:33 +1000 From: Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla Subject: [DMDX] conditional repetition of audio files To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <3e3e7a3e3c78.3e3c783e3e7a@monash.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I'm trying to run an auditory experiment where the listener is repeatedly presented with a 5 s wav file until he/she enters a number, after which DMDX is supposed to branch onto the next item. The wav file has to be repeated in such a way that there are no gaps between successive presentations and the listener gets the impression of a continuous auditory stimulus. My problem is that when i use a multi-way branch keyword and a counter to loop through the wav file until a response is input, the repetitions of the audio file are not heard as continous: n4 g1 0 " item 1: how many sounds can you hear?" ; +10 * “file1” c; 20 ; 30 “next item”; 0 " item 2: how many sounds can you hear?" ; +11 * “file2” c; 21 ; 31 “next item”; 0 “End”; Then I considered using the "again" keywor

Dear=20 all

 

The input=20 file for my experiment asked for visual presentation, consisting of an=20 initial passage followed by five multiple-choice questions, to = which the=20 subj pressed one of five numbers to indicate their answer.  I've tried to convert the zil results file into an = azk file=20 so that I can use analyse.  I did this by putting it into excel, = deleting=20 which alternative they chose, and keeping the response time to the = initial=20 passage and the questions and whether they were correct or not.  = Then I put=20 the excel file back into text format.  I've achieved this before, = but=20 I have learnt that analyse is very sensitive to format=20 changes.  Although my file looks okay, I can't make analyse = work.  It=20 won't read the data somehow and thinks i have duplicated all the = subjects. =20 it produces a series of noughts as output.  Can anybody see what I = have=20 done wrong?  See below.

 

Many=20 thanks,

 

Virginia=20 Holmes

 

P.S. =20 Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that the = azk to=20 columns program accepts it.

 

 

Subjects =20 incorporated   =20 to  date:  38      =20

Data  file    started  on   machine  = PsychLab07

 

********************************************************************= **   =

Subject 1,=20 04/06/2005 11:16:10 on  =20 PsychLab06,  = refresh  11.76ms  ID =20 MLLILLEY

    Item      =20 RT

     1   =20 47721

     2   =20 18441

     3   =20 16778

     4   =20 11903

     5   =20 37629

     6   =20 10257

     7   =20 58361

     8   =20 12697

     9    =20 8552

    10    =20 7726

    11    =20 7532

    12    =20 6509

    13   =20 53245

    14   =20 13567

    15  =20 -16684

    16    =20 7991

    17    =20 4936

    18    =20 3755

    19   =20 69001

    20    =20 4855

    21  =20 -19822

    22   =20 12254

    23    =20 9346

    24   =20 12864

    25   =20 72910

    26   =20 11206

    27    =20 7114

    28   =20 10502

    29  =20 -14836

    30    =20 6068

    31   =20 72585

    32   =20 10080

    33   =20 -8502

    34    =20 6278

    35   =20 25610

    36    =20 8011

    37   =20 67456

    38   =20 -4788

    39    =20 4614

    40   =20 -7539

    41    =20 6538

    42    =20 7079

    43   =20 66908

    44    =20 6514

    45   =20 10611

    46   =20 16622

    47    =20 7812

    48   =20 -6722

 

********************************************************************= **   =20

Subject 2,=20 04/06/2005 12:16:10 on  =20 PsychLab06,  = refresh  11.76ms  ID =20 mcupples

  Item      =20 RT

     1   =20 33326

     2   =20 6124

     3   =20 -5123

     4   =20 5205

     5   =20 6952

     6   =20 -2350

     7   =20 98929

     8   =20 8185

     9   =20 4642

    10   =20 9965

    11   =20 11911

    12   =20 12308

    13   =20 37669

    14   =20 8915

    15   =20 6364

    16   =20 5064

    17   =20 27018

    18   =20 -2657

    19   =20 50364

    20   =20 -7771

    21   =20 12406

    22   =20 7465

    23   =20 6959

    24   =20 6203

    25   =20 77251

    26   =20 9322

    27   =20 6205

    28   =20 6316

    29   =20 8194

    30   =20 5205

    31   =20 53024

    32   =20 5880

    33   =20 12185

    34   =20 6328

    35   =20 6410

    36   =20 6739

    37   =20 67477

    38   =20 3470

    39   =20 3451

    40   =20 3461

    41   =20 6573

    42   =20 11877

    43   =20 68948

    44   =20 5226

    45   =20 6331

    46   =20 8910

    47   =20 6550

    48    10737

 

********************************************************************= **   =20

Subject 3,=20 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on  =20 PsychLab07,  = refresh  11.78ms  ID =20 dbevan

  Item      =20 RT

    1   =20 40907

    2   =20 6259

    3   =20 5260

    4   =20 -3795

    5   =20 -9920

    6   =20 5534

    7   =20 58916

    8   =20 5716

    9   =20 4714

    10   =20 7732

    11    7736 =20 etc.