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From: "Kenneth M. Steele" <steelekm@appstate.edu>
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I have just begun work with dmdx and am having a problem getting 
the following item file to work as I intend.

Below is a stripped down version of the item file.  I want to 
present an item on the screen for some long time period.  While 
the item is on the screen, I want to record *all* occurrences of 
some set of responses, and have the program to progress to the 
next item with out requiring an enter-key press.

At present, I can't get rid of the enter-key requirement and not 
all of the key presses end up in the data file (although they 
do appear in the job1.zil file). 

Can someone provide me with help or an example item?

It would be very helpful if an example of <rcot> could be 
slipped into the example....

Ken


!------------------------------------------------------------------------;
!--------------------tested with v. 1.3.01;
!;
<ep>  <id keyboard > <zil 1000> <cr>
<nfb> <ntl> <fd 42> <bgc 175175175> <ztr 0> 
<eop>

! My reading of the help file was that <zek 0> or <ztr 0> should eliminate the "press enter" requirement;

0 <ln -2> "This is a test file for the",
  <ln 0> "Experiment",
 <ln +2> "Press SPACEBAR to begin",
  <ln +4> "v.01 kms  01-01-01";
! Example Frame -- Something appears on the screen and I begin recording from 7, 8, and 9.
  I want to record *all* vzk-ed keypresses, have the display end, and move on to  102, without
  requiring the subject to press the enter key.  And then do the same for 102, 103, and 104;

! Does someone have an example of how to do this?
	
+101  <vzk "+Numpad 7">  <vzk "+Numpad 8"> <vzk "+Numpad 9"> 
<mpr "+Numpad 7"> <mpr "+Numpad 8"> <mpr "+Numpad 9"> * <msfd 10000> "A 10-s screen"/;
+102  * <msfd 3000> "Good!"/;
+103  * <msfd 10000> "Do it again"/;
+104  * <msfd 3000> "Good!"/;
0 "And that is all there is!";

!---------------------------------end----------------------------------;


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Kenneth M. Steele                steelekm@appstate.edu
Dept. of Psychology
Appalachian State University
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At 07:21 PM 1/1/01 -0500, you wrote:

>I have just begun work with dmdx and am having a problem getting
>the following item file to work as I intend.
>
>Below is a stripped down version of the item file.  I want to
>present an item on the screen for some long time period.  While
>the item is on the screen, I want to record *all* occurrences of
>some set of responses, and have the program to progress to the
>next item with out requiring an enter-key press.

   That's just plain zillion responses, <zil> in the parameter line.

>At present, I can't get rid of the enter-key requirement and not
>all of the key presses end up in the data file (although they
>do appear in the job1.zil file).

   It's not a requirement, it's an optional extra that comes with <zek>, 
you don't want <zek>.

>Can someone provide me with help or an example item?
>
>It would be very helpful if an example of <rcot> could be
>slipped into the example....

   Just stick it in the parameter line.

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On Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:03:18 -0700 "j.c.f." 
<jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:

> 
> >I have just begun work with dmdx and am having a problem getting
> >the following item file to work as I intend.
> >
> >Below is a stripped down version of the item file.  I want to
> >present an item on the screen for some long time period.  While
> >the item is on the screen, I want to record *all* occurrences of
> >some set of responses, and have the program to progress to the
> >next item with out requiring an enter-key press.
> 
>    That's just plain zillion responses, <zil> in the parameter line.
> 

That is what I thought it should be but when I used only <zil> 
then the program hangs at line 101.  The screen times out 
correctly and is erased but the program never makes it to line 
102.

Ken

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Dept. of Psychology
Appalachian State University
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USA 




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At 12:39 PM 1/2/01 -0500, you wrote:


>That is what I thought it should be but when I used only <zil>
>then the program hangs at line 101.  The screen times out
>correctly and is erased but the program never makes it to line
>102.

   For a start I can't guess at what an old version of DMDX is going to do, 
please use the latest release.  Second, you can't have _anything_ before 
the parameter line, if those comments are actually in the script all bets 
are off.  Although your use of <ztr 0> is superfluous I'm betting that your 
<ntl> is causing the hang, <zil> requires a time limit to determine when to 
stop taking responses but if you've turned off the time limit stuff with 
<ntl> of course it's never going to time out and thus move beyond gathering 
responses for item 101.


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We're running version 1.05 and are trying to pull inputs from an 8-button
response box connected via a PIO12 board. Inputs on Bits 0, 1, and 2 read
fine, when specified as valid zillion keys, and I can map all three of
these to requests, positive, and negative responses. However, I cannot
read anything higher than Bit2. Bits 3 and higher register on the PIO12
test in TimeDX. 

-Michael

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At 04:57 PM 1/4/01 -0500, you wrote:

>We're running version 1.05 and are trying to pull inputs from an 8-button
>response box connected via a PIO12 board. Inputs on Bits 0, 1, and 2 read
>fine, when specified as valid zillion keys, and I can map all three of
>these to requests, positive, and negative responses. However, I cannot
>read anything higher than Bit2. Bits 3 and higher register on the PIO12
>test in TimeDX.


   See the MIP word.


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On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, j.c.f. wrote:



> thought I'd knock of in the week before the university closed, hah.  Let me 
> tell you, if anyone even remotely suggests that writing a .RTF to .HTML 

yes, having looked at this format once (after which I ran, ran) I
understand :-)

> attention right now is the ascii art in the PIO TimeDX section and I'm 
> still thinking about what to do with that, I might have to make some 
how important is it, one may ask? On the other hand, I have at some time
done a simple/dirty trick: Include sth. like "HtmL:PRE:" and
"HtmL:/PRE:" as text in my word doc.  A simple filter removes these
from the word file before
final creation of the help files, your clever filter uses these as hints
for translation to html. HtmL:IMAGE SRC="blah": should insert a picture
for you.

just my $0.02

Dirk


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Tried this both in the parameter line and on an item line and no change.
And now I'm unable to remap request, positive and negative responses.

> >We're running version 1.05 and are trying to pull inputs from an 8-button
> >response box connected via a PIO12 board. Inputs on Bits 0, 1, and 2 read
> >fine, when specified as valid zillion keys, and I can map all three of
> >these to requests, positive, and negative responses. However, I cannot
> >read anything higher than Bit2. Bits 3 and higher register on the PIO12
> >test in TimeDX.
> 
> 
>    See the MIP word.


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At 04:03 AM 1/5/01 -0700, you wrote:
> > attention right now is the ascii art in the PIO TimeDX section and I'm
> > still thinking about what to do with that, I might have to make some
>how important is it, one may ask? On the other hand, I have at some time
>done a simple/dirty trick: Include sth. like "HtmL:PRE:" and
>"HtmL:/PRE:" as text in my word doc.  A simple filter removes these
>from the word file before

   Yep, had that in there for a while but there were additional 
complications there as filter then needed to know it was processing /PRE 
data and to not emit /BR etc.

>final creation of the help files, your clever filter uses these as hints
>for translation to html. HtmL:IMAGE SRC="blah": should insert a picture
>for you.

   Did that, however to _automate_ the process the filter would have to 
either take the inline windows metafile format or instead take the .BMP 
reference and turn either into something you can post on the web, say 
.PNG.  If you start to do a little research into .PNG's format you'll 
quickly find out it's another non-trivial format and would have taken more 
work than the .JPG format code I built recently (so I probably would have 
used .JPG but I didn't think of that back then).  Instead I just made the 
code emit .GIF references and the user (me) was made implicitly responsible 
for converting the .BMPs to .GIFs and putting them in the right 
location.  There are only 5 or so bitmaps in the new docs anyway so I live 
with it.


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At 09:42 AM 1/5/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Tried this both in the parameter line and on an item line and no change.
>And now I'm unable to remap request, positive and negative responses.

   You need <mip 377>.  You're going to have to post the first few lines of 
your item file.


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Thanks, Jonathan -- this solved it.  -Michael

>    You need <mip 377>.  You're going to have to post the first few lines of 
> your item file.


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Happy New Year everybody,
and great fun using DMDx

I have tried using .zil instead of .azk

With <zil> I got
Item 1 631.65, +Bit2 918.27, -Bit2
Item 2 633.76, +Bit1 859.36, -Bit1
and so on
What is the effective RT ???

With <azk> I got (different experiement)
Item   RT
1        556.45
2        685.84

In order to compare I put both
<azk><zil> in the command line
Only .zil file has been updated

Is it possible to get both ?
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At 09:43 AM 1/10/01 +0100, you wrote:
>Happy New Year everybody,
>and great fun using DMDx
>
>I have tried using .zil instead of .azk
>
>With <zil> I got
>Item 1 631.65, +Bit2 918.27, -Bit2
>Item 2 633.76, +Bit1 859.36, -Bit1
>and so on
>What is the effective RT ???

   For item 1 Bit2 went active (ie, the button connected to Bit 2 of port A 
on the PIO12 was pressed) 631.65ms after the clockon.  It went inactive 
(was released) 918.27ms after the clockon.

>With <azk> I got (different experiement)
>Item   RT
>1        556.45
>2        685.84
>
>In order to compare I put both
><azk><zil> in the command line
>Only .zil file has been updated
>
>Is it possible to get both ?

   No.

>Why .zil is generated and not .azk?

   .zil is a superset of the .azk code.

>Do we have to choose only one ?

   Yup.


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Hello,

Could someone please point me to the web site that has version 
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At 08:07 11/01/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Could someone please point me to the web site that has version 
>2.3.04. Thanks


http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/

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Hi,

Just a couple of quick questions......

1) Is there anyway you can get DMDX to display ASCII text standard IBM
font?

2) Can you get DM to run itm files with more than 255 items?

These are both possible solutions to a problem I am currently having 
with a masked priming experiment consisting of 440 items, any help 
would be appreciated.

Many thanks
Em

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Hi!!

Do you know if it is possible to do progressive demasking with dmdx (I =
think we should use conditionnal branching) ?
The sequence of items would be the following:
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At 02:49 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote:

>1) Is there anyway you can get DMDX to display ASCII text standard IBM
>font?

   If you use the standard system font in Word (or whatever .RTF editor you 
are using) when you create the item file, yes.

>2) Can you get DM to run itm files with more than 255 items?

   DM was limited to a maximum item number of 512, DMDX is only limited to 
512 items if you deliberately make it use the .DTP output format with 
<dtp>, otherwise using <azk> (which is the default for DMDX) or <zil> 
allows 4.2 billion item numbers.


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Thanks for you quick response......So if I wanted to display 440 items
in dm what do you need to specify on the first line for it to do that,
at the minute it says 'too many items' when you try to run it.  Also 
when I talk about standard IBM font I mean the basic dos style font 
not the times new roman or courier or whatever that you get when 
creating rtf files in a word.

Thanks again
Emma

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> >1) Is there anyway you can get DMDX to display ASCII text standard IBM
> >font?
> 
>    If you use the standard system font in Word (or whatever .RTF editor you 
> are using) when you create the item file, yes.
> 
> >2) Can you get DM to run itm files with more than 255 items?
> 
>    DM was limited to a maximum item number of 512, DMDX is only limited to 
> 512 items if you deliberately make it use the .DTP output format with 
> <dtp>, otherwise using <azk> (which is the default for DMDX) or <zil> 
> allows 4.2 billion item numbers.
> 
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At 05:07 PM 1/16/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi!!
>
>Do you know if it is possible to do progressive demasking with dmdx (I 
>think we should use conditionnal branching) ?
>The sequence of items would be the following:
>**** 400ms / dog 16ms / **** 384ms / dog 32 ms / **** 368ms / dog 48ms etc...
>
>
>When the subject hit a key we record the reaction time, then he has to 
>type the name he saw.

   You can either do it with a large elaborate branching item file or you 
can use a couple of counters and set the frame's duration with <%ctr> and 
decrement one counter while incrementing the other.  If you want the thing 
subject controlled with a standard RT response you might be able to do it 
toggling between using <zor> and <ztr> and turning the time limit on and 
off with <ntl>, something like the following:

<zil> <nfb> F30 T4000
.
.
.
0 "press right shift if you recognize the word" <set 1 24> <set 2 1>
   <zek 0> <zor> <umpr> <umnr> <ntl 0>
   <mpr "right shift"> <mnr "left shift">;
+100 "****" <%ctr 1> / * <%ctr 2> "dog" / <bic 200> c;
0 "wrong" / <dec 1> <inc 2> <bicGT 1,0,-100>;
0 "ok, so you're not going to get that one";
200 <emit 1> <emit 2> "type the word you saw" <zor 0> <ztr> <ntl> *;
.
.
.

   There are going to be things I've overlooked in that example, I haven't 
tried to run it.

-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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At 04:19 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Thanks for you quick response......So if I wanted to display 440 items
>in dm what do you need to specify on the first line for it to do that,
>at the minute it says 'too many items' when you try to run it.

   Can't recall, I thought it was automatic.

>  Also
>when I talk about standard IBM font I mean the basic dos style font
>not the times new roman or courier or whatever that you get when
>creating rtf files in a word.

   The closest you are going to get is the System Fixed font (or whatever 
it's called).  You may be able to find the exact font on the web somewhere.


-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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Subject: [DMDX] Re: Progressive demasking
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   Well, something in Boris' original post sure screwed up the mail system 
there, not only is the archive screwed my carefully crafted example appears 
to be gone.  Fortunately I didn't close this email client and it's still in 
the trash...


<zil> <nfb> F30 T4000
.
.
.
0 "press right shift if you recognize the word" <set 1 24> <set 2 1>
   <zek 0> <zor> <umpr> <umnr> <ntl 0>
   <mpr "right shift"> <mnr "left shift">;
+100 "****" <%ctr 1> / * <%ctr 2> "dog" / <bic 200> c;
0 "wrong" / <dec 1> <inc 2> <bicGT 1,0,-100>;
0 "ok, so you're not going to get that one";
200 <emit 1> <emit 2> "type the word you saw" <zor 0> <ztr> <ntl> *;
.
.
.

   There are going to be things I've overlooked in that example, I haven't 
tried to run it.

At 09:39 AM 1/15/01 -0700, you wrote:
>At 05:07 PM 1/16/00 +0100, you wrote:
>>Hi!!
>>
>>Do you know if it is possible to do progressive demasking with dmdx (I 
>>think we should use conditionnal branching) ?
>>The sequence of items would be the following:
>>**** 400ms / dog 16ms / **** 384ms / dog 32 ms / **** 368ms / dog 48ms etc...
>>
>>
>>When the subject hit a key we record the reaction time, then he has to 
>>type the name he saw.
>
>   You can either do it with a large elaborate branching item file or you 
> can use a couple of counters and set the frame's duration with <%ctr> and 
> decrement one counter while incrementing the other.  If you want the 
> thing subject controlled with a standard RT response you might be able to 
> do it toggling between using <zor> and <ztr> and turning the time limit 
> on and off with <ntl>, something like the following:
>
><zil> <nfb> F30 T4000


-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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   Well, something in Boris' original post sure screwed up the mail system 
there, not only is the archive screwed my carefully crafted example appears 
to be gone.  Fortunately I didn't close this email client and it's still in 
the trash...

   You can either do it with a large elaborate branching item file or you 
can use a couple of counters and set the frame's duration with <%ctr> and 
decrement one counter while incrementing the other.  If you want the thing 
subject controlled with a standard RT response you might be able to do it 
toggling between using <zor> and <ztr> and turning the time limit on and 
off with <ntl>, something like the following:

<zil> <nfb> F30 T4000
.
.
.
0 "press right shift if you recognize the word" <set 1 24> <set 2 1>
   <zek 0> <zor> <umpr> <umnr> <ntl 0>
   <mpr "right shift"> <mnr "left shift">;
+100 "****" <%ctr 1> / * <%ctr 2> "dog" / <bic 200> c;
0 "wrong" / <dec 1> <inc 2> <bicGT 1,0,-100>;
0 "ok, so you're not going to get that one";
200 <emit 1> <emit 2> "type the word you saw" <zor 0> <ztr> <ntl> *;
.
.
.

   There are going to be things I've overlooked in that example, I haven't 
tried to run it.

At 09:39 AM 1/15/01 -0700, you wrote:
At 05:07 PM 1/16/00 +0100, you wrote:
Hi!!

Do you know if it is possible to do progressive demasking with dmdx (I 
think we should use conditionnal branching) ?
The sequence of items would be the following:
**** 400ms / dog 16ms / **** 384ms / dog 32 ms / **** 368ms / dog 48ms etc...


When the subject hit a key we record the reaction time, then he has to type 
the name he saw.


<zil> <nfb> F30 T4000

-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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Mewling and puking in the Regent's arms.
And then the whining schoolboy, with his Sun,
And shining morning face, creeping like slug
Unwillingly to school.

                                         -  A Very Annoyed PDP-11



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   Ok, I'm sick of that, for the curious you can go check the archives if 
you want to see that example:

http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread?message=1813560

-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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And then the whining schoolboy, with his Sun,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "lawrence jones" <lawrence@jones222.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "Kenneth Forster" <kforster@u.arizona.edu>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 12:24 AM
Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX problems


>
> Dear Kenneth,
>
> Thankyou for getting back to me.
>
> Here is the item file. I explored a few different video modes in TimeDX
and
> I managed to run the attached file, but as you can see the video mode has
a
> very poor resolution ( VideoMode 400 300 300 8 0). Anything higher than
this
> and I get the error message I mentioned before."Not enough video memory
for
> this mode".
>
> When I ran TimeDX I got a suspicious behaviour alert "video driver
cheating
> test times are 0.15ms and 0.02ms , results indicate that refresh rate
> determination code could need a larger number of cycles to ignore or a
> larger number of cycles".
>
>  Does this mean I have very little video memory, or am I stupidly missing
> something ?
>
>
> Lawrence
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kenneth Forster" <kforster@u.arizona.edu>
> To: "lawrence jones" <lawrence@jones222.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:04 AM
> Subject: DMDX problems
>
>
> > Lawrence,
> >
> > We know of nothing that would cause problems for your equipment.
Perhaps
> > you could send me your .rtf file as an attachment.
> >
> > --KIF
> >
> >
> >
>

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At 07:49 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote:



> > and I get the error message I mentioned before."Not enough video memory
>for
> > this mode".
> >

   It means you need a better video card.

-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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At 04:19 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Thanks for you quick response......So if I wanted to display 440 items
>in dm what do you need to specify on the first line for it to do that,
>at the minute it says 'too many items' when you try to run it.

         You don't need to specify anything (other than the value of n). My 
guess is that DM thinks it has run out of memory.  This is probably due to 
code I wrote back in the 80's when we faced the 640K barrier.  The scramble 
routines attempt to read the entire file into memory, and by today's 
standards, a ridiculously small amount of memory was reserved for this.

>  Also
>when I talk about standard IBM font I mean the basic dos style font
>not the times new roman or courier or whatever that you get when
>creating rtf files in a word.

         I infer that your interest in using DM and the DOS font means that 
you are planning an exact replication of some earlier experiment, where the 
physical properties of the font are critical.  Hence using the system font 
with DMDX (and using white letters on a black background) would not be a 
solution.

         Assuming this is correct, what can you do?  One thing would be to 
shorten the length of the item file.  Presumably, your items are fairly 
long.  If they involve repetitive material, a macro would be one way of 
shortening the file.  Another possibility is to avoid scrambling with DM, 
and arrange the items in a pseudo-random sequence ahead of time.  Finally, 
you could cut the item file into two halves, and run one file and then the 
other. This will lead to some messiness in the analysis of the dtp files, 
but it can be coped with.


         --KIF



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Dear Jonathan,

I have a ATI rage 128 xpert 128(english)  video adapter, I am told it has
16mb of RAM. What do I need to get in order to upgrade so that I can run
DMDX ?

Regards,

Lawrence

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> At 07:49 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>
> > > and I get the error message I mentioned before."Not enough video
memory
> >for
> > > this mode".
> > >
>
>    It means you need a better video card.
>
> -jonathan (j.c.f.)
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At 12:57 AM 1/17/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Dear Jonathan,
>
>I have a ATI rage 128 xpert 128(english)  video adapter, I am told it has
>16mb of RAM. What do I need to get in order to upgrade so that I can run
>DMDX ?

   New drivers maybe, certainly 16MB is plenty for DMDX's 
purposes.  Perhaps the ATI is just brain dead, I certainly found that 
earlier ATI cards while having scads of RAM only allowed 50% of it to be 
used for DMDX's 2D purposes, the rest was only available as texture memory 
for 3D rendering.  We find the NVIDIA cards to be consistently good 
performers although I have trouble with the GeForce MX in my home machine, 
no doubt the next revision of the drivers for it will fix it, especially 
seeing as I bundled up DMDX and a demo item file demonstrating the error.


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Greetings!

I hope that someone will be able to help me out. Essentially what I want to
do is present a self-paced sentence in zones, each appearing sequentially
(to the right) after a key press and staying on the screen until the subject
finishes the reading the complete sentence. I need to get a RT for each zone
(an overall one would be a bonus also)... an example sentence is as follows
(dashes separate zones):

- After the audience - had applauded - the actors - took a break.

Each zone would need to be on the screen until the whole sentence was read
(to allow possible backtracking), but not be 'disjointed' in terms of
sentence presentation.

Is this possible with DMDX? If so, would someone be able to tell me the code
for doing this? It would be greatly appreciated.

Warm Regards.

Benjamin Grindlay

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At 02:45 PM 1/19/01 +1030, you wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>I hope that someone will be able to help me out. Essentially what I want to
>do is present a self-paced sentence in zones, each appearing sequentially
>(to the right) after a key press and staying on the screen until the subject
>finishes the reading the complete sentence. I need to get a RT for each zone
>(an overall one would be a bonus also)... an example sentence is as follows
>(dashes separate zones):
>
>- After the audience - had applauded - the actors - took a break.
>
>Each zone would need to be on the screen until the whole sentence was read
>(to allow possible backtracking), but not be 'disjointed' in terms of
>sentence presentation.
>
>Is this possible with DMDX? If so, would someone be able to tell me the code
>for doing this? It would be greatly appreciated.

   You want the <ProgressiveX> keyword combined with the dreaded 
<ResponseContingent> MDSP bit.  Your item file needs to be something like 
the following:

<rc> F30
100 + <px .2> "After the audience" /
             ! + " had applauded" /
             ! + " the actors" /
             ! + " took a break";


   Best to look at Ken's DMTG and DM documentation on how RC is to be used:

http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dm_dmtg.htm

   Basically the example will stop after each frame and gather a response 
producing results for items 100, 101, 102 and 103.  Can't remember if a CR 
indicator needs to go before the item number and there's probably ten other 
things I'm not remembering either but DM or DMDX syntax should work in DMDX 
so check the old documentation.  Other interesting keywords to use in 
addition use would be <NoFeedback> or <FBOnlyClearBehind> if you do 
actually want feedback.


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Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Sentence Zoning
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:33:42 +1030
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Thanks Jonathon. After a bit of searching and mucking around, I am pretty
sure I got DMDX to do what I needed (except for the 'total time' for each
sentence). If anyone is interested for future experiments the syntax looks
like this:

N3 <azk> <cr> <t 1000000>  <ID "PIO12"> <id “keyboard”> <dbc 100> <dwc
255255255> <nfb> <rc>

100 + <px .1>
		 ! + * "After the audience" /
             ! + * " had applauded" /
             ! + * " the actors" /
             ! + * " took a break";

0 "Press spacebar for next sentence" E;

200 + <px .1>
		! + * "The foreigner" E /
		! + * " told the joke" /
		! + * " didn't understand";

0 "Press spacebar for next sentence" E;

300 + <px .1>
		! + * "While the mother dressed" E/
		! + * " the baby" /
		! + * " played unsupervised";

0 LB "End of experiment";

Kind Regards,

Ben.



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> From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
> [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f.
> Sent: Friday, 19 January 2001 3:53
> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sentence Zoning
>
>
> At 02:45 PM 1/19/01 +1030, you wrote:
> >Greetings!
> >
> >I hope that someone will be able to help me out. Essentially
> what I want to
> >do is present a self-paced sentence in zones, each appearing sequentially
> >(to the right) after a key press and staying on the screen until
> the subject
> >finishes the reading the complete sentence. I need to get a RT
> for each zone
> >(an overall one would be a bonus also)... an example sentence is
> as follows
> >(dashes separate zones):
> >
> >- After the audience - had applauded - the actors - took a break.
> >
> >Each zone would need to be on the screen until the whole
> sentence was read
> >(to allow possible backtracking), but not be 'disjointed' in terms of
> >sentence presentation.
> >
> >Is this possible with DMDX? If so, would someone be able to tell
> me the code
> >for doing this? It would be greatly appreciated.
>
>    You want the <ProgressiveX> keyword combined with the dreaded
> <ResponseContingent> MDSP bit.  Your item file needs to be something like
> the following:
>
> <rc> F30
> 100 + <px .2> "After the audience" /
>              ! + " had applauded" /
>              ! + " the actors" /
>              ! + " took a break";
>
>
>    Best to look at Ken's DMTG and DM documentation on how RC is
> to be used:
>
> http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dm_dmtg.htm
>
>    Basically the example will stop after each frame and gather a response
> producing results for items 100, 101, 102 and 103.  Can't
> remember if a CR
> indicator needs to go before the item number and there's probably
> ten other
> things I'm not remembering either but DM or DMDX syntax should
> work in DMDX
> so check the old documentation.  Other interesting keywords to use in
> addition use would be <NoFeedback> or <FBOnlyClearBehind> if you do
> actually want feedback.
>
>
> -jonathan (j.c.f.)
>
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At 12:33 PM 1/22/01 +1030, you wrote:

   Good going.  Not to be too picky but seeing as you posted this to the 
list there are three things I notice.  First is that with Response 
Contingent displays I don't think clockon's are necessary, the Correct 
Response indicator (+) is taken as a clockon.  Second, those E's are only 
required because you've got No Erase switches (!) where they shouldn't be, 
E is a last resort when something is broken, if an item file has to use 
them then DMDX needs to be fixed.  Third, you don't need two CRs in the 
first frame, I suspect you're item file could become:


N3 <azk> <cr> <t 1000000>  <ID "PIO12"> <id "keyboard"> <dbc 100> <dwc
255255255> <nfb> <rc>

100  <px .1>
                 +  "After the audience" /
              ! + " had applauded" /
              ! + " the actors" /
              ! + " took a break";

0 "Press spacebar for next sentence";

200 <px .1>
                   + "The foreigner" /
                 ! + " told the joke" /
                 ! + " didn't understand";

0 "Press spacebar for next sentence";

300 <px .1>
                   + "While the mother dressed" /
                 ! + " the baby" /
                 ! + " played unsupervised";

0 LB "End of experiment";

>Thanks Jonathon. After a bit of searching and mucking around, I am pretty
>sure I got DMDX to do what I needed (except for the 'total time' for each
>sentence). If anyone is interested for future experiments the syntax looks
>like this:
>
>N3 <azk> <cr> <t 1000000>  <ID "PIO12"> <id "keyboard"> <dbc 100> <dwc
>255255255> <nfb> <rc>
>
>100 + <px .1>
>                 ! + * "After the audience" /
>              ! + * " had applauded" /
>              ! + * " the actors" /
>              ! + * " took a break";
>
>0 "Press spacebar for next sentence" E;
>
>200 + <px .1>
>                 ! + * "The foreigner" E /
>                 ! + * " told the joke" /
>                 ! + * " didn't understand";
>
>0 "Press spacebar for next sentence" E;
>
>300 + <px .1>
>                 ! + * "While the mother dressed" E/
>                 ! + * " the baby" /
>                 ! + * " played unsupervised";
>
>0 LB "End of experiment";
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Ben.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
> > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f.
> > Sent: Friday, 19 January 2001 3:53
> > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
> > Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sentence Zoning
> >
> >
> > At 02:45 PM 1/19/01 +1030, you wrote:
> > >Greetings!
> > >
> > >I hope that someone will be able to help me out. Essentially
> > what I want to
> > >do is present a self-paced sentence in zones, each appearing sequentially
> > >(to the right) after a key press and staying on the screen until
> > the subject
> > >finishes the reading the complete sentence. I need to get a RT
> > for each zone
> > >(an overall one would be a bonus also)... an example sentence is
> > as follows
> > >(dashes separate zones):
> > >
> > >- After the audience - had applauded - the actors - took a break.
> > >
> > >Each zone would need to be on the screen until the whole
> > sentence was read
> > >(to allow possible backtracking), but not be 'disjointed' in terms of
> > >sentence presentation.
> > >
> > >Is this possible with DMDX? If so, would someone be able to tell
> > me the code
> > >for doing this? It would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >    You want the <ProgressiveX> keyword combined with the dreaded
> > <ResponseContingent> MDSP bit.  Your item file needs to be something like
> > the following:
> >
> > <rc> F30
> > 100 + <px .2> "After the audience" /
> >              ! + " had applauded" /
> >              ! + " the actors" /
> >              ! + " took a break";
> >
> >
> >    Best to look at Ken's DMTG and DM documentation on how RC is
> > to be used:
> >
> > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dm_dmtg.htm
> >
> >    Basically the example will stop after each frame and gather a response
> > producing results for items 100, 101, 102 and 103.  Can't
> > remember if a CR
> > indicator needs to go before the item number and there's probably
> > ten other
> > things I'm not remembering either but DM or DMDX syntax should
> > work in DMDX
> > so check the old documentation.  Other interesting keywords to use in
> > addition use would be <NoFeedback> or <FBOnlyClearBehind> if you do
> > actually want feedback.
> >
> >
> > -jonathan (j.c.f.)
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Is the following still the appropriate way to cite DMDX? 

"The experiment was run using the DMDX software developed at Monash
University and at the University of Arizona by K.I.Forster and J.C.Forster."

I checked the website and found nothing more recent than June of 2000 on
this topic, so assumed this to be correct.

Thanks much.

Clay

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At 04:35 PM 1/22/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Is the following still the appropriate way to cite DMDX?
>
>"The experiment was run using the DMDX software developed at Monash
>University and at the University of Arizona by K.I.Forster and J.C.Forster."
>
>I checked the website and found nothing more recent than June of 2000 on
>this topic, so assumed this to be correct.

   It is correct.

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From: "Benjamin Grindlay" <bjgrindl@complex.psych.adelaide.edu.au>
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Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: Sentence Zoning
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Thanks Jonathon. However, the script you gave me (for whatever reasons) I
can't seem to get to work properly. Firstly, after the first sentence is
complete, it won't move on to "Press spacebar...". Also, without the
clockon's, I have found that the saved data is 'one short' - instead of RT's
for 100, 101, 102, 103, I only get 100, 101, 102... not sure why... well,
actually, I am pretty sure it is because my skill with DMDX is pretty lame.

I'll keep trying. Cheers.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
> [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f.
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2001 3:08
> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
> Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Sentence Zoning
>
>
> At 12:33 PM 1/22/01 +1030, you wrote:
>
>    Good going.  Not to be too picky but seeing as you posted this to the
> list there are three things I notice.  First is that with Response
> Contingent displays I don't think clockon's are necessary, the Correct
> Response indicator (+) is taken as a clockon.  Second, those E's are only
> required because you've got No Erase switches (!) where they
> shouldn't be,
> E is a last resort when something is broken, if an item file has to use
> them then DMDX needs to be fixed.  Third, you don't need two CRs in the
> first frame, I suspect you're item file could become:
>
>
> N3 <azk> <cr> <t 1000000>  <ID "PIO12"> <id "keyboard"> <dbc 100> <dwc
> 255255255> <nfb> <rc>
>
> 100  <px .1>
>                  +  "After the audience" /
>               ! + " had applauded" /
>               ! + " the actors" /
>               ! + " took a break";
>
> 0 "Press spacebar for next sentence";
>
> 200 <px .1>
>                    + "The foreigner" /
>                  ! + " told the joke" /
>                  ! + " didn't understand";
>
> 0 "Press spacebar for next sentence";
>
> 300 <px .1>
>                    + "While the mother dressed" /
>                  ! + " the baby" /
>                  ! + " played unsupervised";
>
> 0 LB "End of experiment";
>
> >Thanks Jonathon. After a bit of searching and mucking around, I am pretty
> >sure I got DMDX to do what I needed (except for the 'total time' for each
> >sentence). If anyone is interested for future experiments the
> syntax looks
> >like this:
> >
> >N3 <azk> <cr> <t 1000000>  <ID "PIO12"> <id "keyboard"> <dbc 100> <dwc
> >255255255> <nfb> <rc>
> >
> >100 + <px .1>
> >                 ! + * "After the audience" /
> >              ! + * " had applauded" /
> >              ! + * " the actors" /
> >              ! + * " took a break";
> >
> >0 "Press spacebar for next sentence" E;
> >
> >200 + <px .1>
> >                 ! + * "The foreigner" E /
> >                 ! + * " told the joke" /
> >                 ! + * " didn't understand";
> >
> >0 "Press spacebar for next sentence" E;
> >
> >300 + <px .1>
> >                 ! + * "While the mother dressed" E/
> >                 ! + * " the baby" /
> >                 ! + * " played unsupervised";
> >
> >0 LB "End of experiment";
> >
> >Kind Regards,
> >
> >Ben.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
> > > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f.
> > > Sent: Friday, 19 January 2001 3:53
> > > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
> > > Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sentence Zoning
> > >
> > >
> > > At 02:45 PM 1/19/01 +1030, you wrote:
> > > >Greetings!
> > > >
> > > >I hope that someone will be able to help me out. Essentially
> > > what I want to
> > > >do is present a self-paced sentence in zones, each appearing
> sequentially
> > > >(to the right) after a key press and staying on the screen until
> > > the subject
> > > >finishes the reading the complete sentence. I need to get a RT
> > > for each zone
> > > >(an overall one would be a bonus also)... an example sentence is
> > > as follows
> > > >(dashes separate zones):
> > > >
> > > >- After the audience - had applauded - the actors - took a break.
> > > >
> > > >Each zone would need to be on the screen until the whole
> > > sentence was read
> > > >(to allow possible backtracking), but not be 'disjointed' in terms of
> > > >sentence presentation.
> > > >
> > > >Is this possible with DMDX? If so, would someone be able to tell
> > > me the code
> > > >for doing this? It would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > >    You want the <ProgressiveX> keyword combined with the dreaded
> > > <ResponseContingent> MDSP bit.  Your item file needs to be
> something like
> > > the following:
> > >
> > > <rc> F30
> > > 100 + <px .2> "After the audience" /
> > >              ! + " had applauded" /
> > >              ! + " the actors" /
> > >              ! + " took a break";
> > >
> > >
> > >    Best to look at Ken's DMTG and DM documentation on how RC is
> > > to be used:
> > >
> > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dm_dmtg.htm
> > >
> > >    Basically the example will stop after each frame and
> gather a response
> > > producing results for items 100, 101, 102 and 103.  Can't
> > > remember if a CR
> > > indicator needs to go before the item number and there's probably
> > > ten other
> > > things I'm not remembering either but DM or DMDX syntax should
> > > work in DMDX
> > > so check the old documentation.  Other interesting keywords to use in
> > > addition use would be <NoFeedback> or <FBOnlyClearBehind> if you do
> > > actually want feedback.
> > >
> > >
> > > -jonathan (j.c.f.)
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At 03:11 PM 1/23/01 +1030, you wrote:
>Thanks Jonathon. However, the script you gave me (for whatever reasons) I
>can't seem to get to work properly. Firstly, after the first sentence is
>complete, it won't move on to "Press spacebar...". Also, without the
>clockon's, I have found that the saved data is 'one short' - instead of RT's
>for 100, 101, 102, 103, I only get 100, 101, 102... not sure why... well,
>actually, I am pretty sure it is because my skill with DMDX is pretty lame.
>
>I'll keep trying. Cheers.

   Don't bother, if you've got it working and there are a few extraneous 
switches it doesn't matter, I was just posting for sake of technical 
correctness.  In any event the state of Response Contingency under DMDX is 
such that the clockon situation you describe is more than likely a hole in 
the code.  Because RC is a such a horrible kludge I am not thinking of it 
as I design new things for DMDX so it gets broken and then someone (like 
Wayne Murray) reminds me of it and I'm saying "oh, yeah, RC... I forgot, 
again, oops".  One day I'll write a <progressiveX> across items and make 
the mode no longer supported, I don't get around to it because no one is 
using word by word reading tasks around here.

-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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Jonathon wrote:

> Because RC is a such a horrible kludge I am not thinking of it as
> I design new things for DMDX so it gets broken and then someone
> (like Wayne Murray) reminds me of it and I'm saying "oh, yeah,
> RC... I forgot, again, oops".  

True, but does it have to be a kludge (as I said elsewhere)?

> One day I'll write a <progressiveX> across items and make 
> the mode no longer supported, 

Sounds good, provided it always gets the next item up in the 
minimum possible time after the response (some types of SP 
reading only seem to work if there is a very tight apparent coupling 
between the response and the next display) and it is possible to 
keep variable numbers of items together in a scramble - since this 
is often used with sentences of variable length across an expt.

> I don't get around to it because no one is using word by word
> reading tasks around here. 

Not quite true - or at least people there USED to want to do it!  It 
is, however, undoubtedly something that many many people would 
like to be able to use DMDX for.

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At 05:05 PM 1/23/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Jonathon wrote:
>
> > Because RC is a such a horrible kludge I am not thinking of it as
> > I design new things for DMDX so it gets broken and then someone
> > (like Wayne Murray) reminds me of it and I'm saying "oh, yeah,
> > RC... I forgot, again, oops".
>
>True, but does it have to be a kludge (as I said elsewhere)?

   Yes, it breaks fundamental DMDX design rules.

> > One day I'll write a <progressiveX> across items and make
> > the mode no longer supported,
>
>Sounds good, provided it always gets the next item up in the
>minimum possible time after the response (some types of SP
>reading only seem to work if there is a very tight apparent coupling
>between the response and the next display) and it is possible to
>keep variable numbers of items together in a scramble - since this
>is often used with sentences of variable length across an expt.
>
> > I don't get around to it because no one is using word by word
> > reading tasks around here.
>
>Not quite true - or at least people there USED to want to do it!  It
>is, however, undoubtedly something that many many people would
>like to be able to use DMDX for.

   Ok, today I write the necessary keywords to do away with RC in a single 
item.  I'll leave existing RC as it stands but it will be legacy code, if 
someone has problems with it then they'll be told to use the new stuff 
coming in a few hours.

-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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   So 2.3.05 addresses these long standing issues with Response Contingency 
with the addition of one simple keyword:

<ContinueProgressiveX>
<cpx>
<cp>

	This keyword is used for word by word sentence reading tasks replacing the 
need to use the Response Contingency keyword.  This keyword allows 
<ProgressiveX> to be used across items, where the first item uses <px> and 
following items that need to continue spacing where the previous item 
finished use <cpx>.  Both <px> and <cpx> only need be used once at the 
beginning of an item.

For example, the old form of word by word sentence reading would be:

1 <px .1> + "hickory " / - ! "dickory " / + ! "dock " / + ! "the " / + ! 
"mouse " / + ! "ran "/ + ! "up "/ + ! "the " / + ! "clock";

	This would produce responses for items 1 to 9.  The new form, while more 
expansive sticks to standard constructs and explicitly shows which frame 
produces which RT:

+1 <px .1> * "hickory ";
-2 <cpx> * !         "dickory ";
+3 <cpx> * !                 "dock ";
+4 <cpx> * !                      "the ";
+5 <cpx> * !                          "mouse ";
+6 <cpx> * !                                "ran ";
+7 <cpx> * !                                    "up ";
+8 <cpx> * !                                       "the";
+9 <cpx> * !                                           "clock";

	Other keywords that are likely to be used in conjunction with <px> and 
<cpx> are <Delay 0>, <ContinuousRun> and <NoFeedback>.

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Dear Jonathan

	As Wayne says, some people do use word by word or phrase by phrase reading!

	Virginia Holmes


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	For citing DMDX in a reference list for example, I thought something more 
useful would be to put the URL for the DMDX home page.  No?

	VMH 


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At 12:38 PM 1/25/01 +1100, you wrote:
>         For citing DMDX in a reference list for example, I thought 
> something more useful would be to put the URL for the DMDX home page.  No?

   If you wish, yes, include the URL by all means.


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   And of course the other reason for RC's existence that I keep forgetting 
about is scrambling, notably that in sentences one typically has a variable 
number of words and that makes scrambling difficult.  Currently should 
someone want to use the new <cpx> and want to scramble their items they 
will have to determine the longest single sentence that they wish to 
present, set G to that number and then pad all shorter sentences with dummy 
items, typically !; sequences will do.

   To alleviate this I will see if I can implement a new scrambling 
feature, the <VariableGroup> (it's tentative because I didn't write 
Scramble's code and it's messy [which is being polite] and any changes to 
it stand a significant chance of breaking it completely).  Here you will 
specify a divisor and items that are consecutive and whose item numbers 
divided by <vg>'s value are the same will be considered part of the same group.

-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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   Well, I've been banging on the mods I've made to Scramble and as far as 
I can tell they're solid so I'm releasing 2.4.00.  Only one new keyword but 
it's a doozy:

Variable Grouping Keyword

<VariableGrouping N>
<vg N>

	Scramble parameter that enables variable group sizes.  Cannot occur in 
extended parameters, all scramble parameters must still occur on the first 
line.  For information on traditional scrambling see Scrambling.  N 
specifies a divisor, items that are consecutive and that have identical 
item numbers when divided by N are considered to be in the same group.

When determining the block size, the value for the S parameter, as with the 
traditional grouping parameter, is in numbers of groups.

	It is important to note that variable grouping completely ignores fixed 
blocks (the contents of the item file between $ symbols), any item numbers 
occurring there are ignored for the purposes of determining whether the two 
items surrounding the fixed block are part of the same variable 
group.  Which brings up a difference between the way the traditional G 
parameter and <vg> work, and that is their treatment of a fixed block when 
occurs in the middle of a group -- which is a rather tenuous thing to do in 
the first place.  Traditional grouping will move that fixed block to the 
end of the group, variable grouping will move it to the start of the group.

	For example:

s1 <vg 100>

$0 "variable grouping" , <ln 2> "Hit SpaceBar to Continue";$

101 "101";
102 "102";
103 "103";
104 "104";
105 "105";
$0 "within group";$
106 "106";
107 "107";
108 "108";
109 "109";

201 "201";
202 "202";
203 "203";

$0 "inter group";$

301 "301";
302 "302";
303 "303";
304 "304";
305 "305";
306 "306";

$0 "end"l;$

	Can produce the following when scrambled:

s1 <vg 100>

0 "variable grouping" , <ln 2> "Hit SpaceBar to Continue";

0 "within group";

301 "301";
302 "302";
303 "303";
304 "304";
305 "305";
306 "306";

201 "201";
202 "202";
203 "203";

0 "inter group";

101 "101";
102 "102";
103 "103";
104 "104";
105 "105";
106 "106";
107 "107";
108 "108";
109 "109";

0 "end"l;


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   Well, the online help will be down until Monday, either psy1 has had 
it's FTP daemon hacked by someone and it can all of a sudden no longer 
handle long files names or CCIT has suddenly implemented some incredible 
anti hacking stuff and is somehow limiting file name length or the unknown 
has reared it's ugly head because there's no way I can transfer those files 
short of doing it one at a time, and guess, what, I'm not about to.

-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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   Well, I got the online help stuff up there, finally remembered an 
alternate route I could take through two other machines that got the files 
there.  Mystery to me why it fails going directly there though.

-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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   And while I had the scramble code torn apart I noticed that I could make 
scramble know about <ep> and </ep> so it's parameters could occur after the 
first physical line of the item file and while playing golf this morning 
(in the rain of all things, pretty rare in Tucson) I realized I could make 
it no longer need $ to stop the extended parameters from being scrambled 
without breaking older item files that already had $ in the parameters -- 
so I did them both today and released 2.4.01.

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Re:  DMDX Listserv postings not accepted.

	Some users are having their postings rejected by the DMDX Listserv because 
their email address does not match the address used when they originally 
subscribed.  This seems to happen even though the user has not changed 
their account.

	This is probably due to some change in policy in your local computer 
center.  The problem could be solved by re-subscribing with the new address 
(provided that this will be a permanent change), and letting me know so 
that we can remove the old entry.  But if this is something that can vary 
from day to day, depending on which computer you use, then the problem is 
harder to fix.  You could ask your local CC why your address keeps changing.

	--Ken Forster


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Please unsubscribe   v.holmes@psych.unimelb.edu.au

(Once, anyway!)


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   And of course with a new scramble parameter <vg> we have to have a 
multi-scrambling version of it, <msvg> and seeing as we've made scramble 
aware of extended parameter lines we'd better make the multi-scramble code 
aware of it too -- of course that entailed an almost complete re-write of 
the multi-scramble code...  At the end of the day when all is said and done 
it looks like I've got things back together again in a significantly more 
robust and flexible form that allows scramble and multi-scramble parameters 
to occur in the extended parameter line, that no longer requires the 
extended parameter line to be marked as a fixed block to scramble with $ 
symbols but can in fact still deal with old item files that have the 
extended parameter line marked as fixed.  Not to mention the new <msvg> 
multi-scramble variable length group parameters.

   BTW, apologies to anyone who actually tried to download 2.4.00 or 2.4.01 
and couldn't find it, it looks like the machine at home likes storing the 
file DMDX.ZIP on the server, quite distinct from the old archive dmdx.zip 
unix being what it is.  Now there's just one ;)

-jonathan (j.c.f.)

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