From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 14 03:23:18 2003 Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id h0EAM5MS029374 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:22:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 31739 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2003 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from acb27b35.ipt.aol.com (HELO computer) (172.178.123.53) by mail.gmx.net (mp018-rz3) with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 10:14:36 -0000 From: Markus Raabe To: DMDX Mailinglist Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:15:57 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: [DMDX] ITI by chance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, does anyone know how to create an Item-File with ITI´s/ISI´s by chance? One Trial consists of two stimuli. They are presented one after another. I am interested in the RT to the second stimulus. The ISI should be between 1000 and 1500 ms by chance. Besides I want to vary the ITI within a determined range, too. Maby I have overlooked a relevant Keyword / combination of Keywords. If not, maybe someone has a solution to this, using Excel. Please help me, Markus. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 14 04:26:24 2003 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0EBQ3MS029475 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:26:03 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.227] (helo=PC195.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YP5b-0007MP-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:18:39 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030114105806.029a5f98@193.63.253.1> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:18:35 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: ITI by chance In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1042220171==.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_1042220171==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 11:15 14/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >does anyone know how to create an Item-File with ITI=B4s/ISI=B4s by chance? > >One Trial consists of two stimuli. They are presented one after another. >I am interested in the RT to the second stimulus. >The ISI should be between 1000 and 1500 ms by chance. Besides I want to >vary the ITI within a determined range, too. > >Maby I have overlooked a relevant Keyword / combination of Keywords. >If not, maybe someone has a solution to this, using Excel. > >Please help me, >Markus. Hi Markus, I've done something similar to this to set up a variable delay between=20 trials. In the script below, a word is presented for 200ms (based on a=20 refresh rate of 13.333ms), then there is a fixation cross that stays on the= =20 screen for a variable ISI. The duration of the fixed portion of the ISI is= =20 set as follows: item display 15 ticks fixation cross 15 ticks end of frame 1 tick delay 10 ticks total 41 ticks After presenting each item, the script calls a complex series of branches.= =20 It ends up picking one of the 6 items (1001 to 1006) with a probability of= =20 1/6. These items set counter 1 to be a number of ticks between 34 and 109.= =20 By adding these numbers of ticks to the durations shown above, you end up=20 with an ISI of between 75 and 150 ticks (i.e. 1 to 2 seconds). It should be= =20 possible to modify these values to suit your needs. There may be an easier way to do this using a more up-to-date version of=20 DMDX - this script was written when the branching keywords were less=20 flexible than at present. One thing I should mention is that in the script shown below, the=20 instructions and branches need to go within $ signs to ensure that they=20 don't get scrambled by my use of the keyword in the top line. Hope all this is helpful, Cheers, Matt ----------script follows-------------- $ 0 "Press SPACEBAR or FOOTPEDAL to start" ; $ +1 "+" / * "split" / "+" /!; +2 "+" /* "spit" / "+" /!; +3 "+" /* "sit" / "+" /!; +4 "+" / * "sat" / "+" /!; +5 "+" /* "spat" / "+" /!; +6 "+" /* "splat" / "+" /!; $ 0 c; 1000 ! c; 0 ! c; 0 ! c; 0 ! c; 1100 ! c; 0 ! c; 0 ! c; 1001 ! ; 1002 ! ; 1003 ! ; 1004 ! ; 1005 ! ; 1006 ! ; 2000 "The END! Thank you for taking part."; $ **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************=20 --=====================_1042220171==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 11:15 14/01/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,

does anyone know how to create an Item-File with ITI=B4s/ISI=B4s by chance?

One Trial consists of two stimuli. They are presented one after another.
I am interested in the RT to the second stimulus.
The ISI should be between 1000 and 1500 ms by chance. Besides I want to
vary the ITI within a determined range, too.

Maby I have overlooked a relevant Keyword / combination of=20 Keywords.
If not, maybe someone has a solution to this, using Excel.

Please help me,
Markus.

Hi Markus,

I've done something similar to this to set up a variable delay between trials. In the script below, a word is presented for 200ms (based on a refresh rate of 13.333ms), then there is a fixation cross that stays on the screen for a variable ISI. The duration of the fixed portion of the ISI is set as follows:

item display    15 ticks
fixation cross  15 ticks
end of frame    1 tick
delay          =  10 ticks

total        &= nbsp;  41 ticks

After presenting each item, the script calls a complex series of branches. It ends up picking one of the 6 items (1001 to 1006) with a probability of 1/6. These items set counter 1 to be a number of ticks between 34 and 109. By adding these numbers of ticks to the durations shown above, you end up with an ISI of between 75 and 150 ticks (i.e. 1 to 2 seconds). It should be possible to modify these values to suit your needs.

There may be an easier way to do this using a more up-to-date version of DMDX - this script was written when the branching keywords were less flexible than at present.

One thing I should mention is that in the script shown below, the instructions and branches need to go within $ signs to ensure that they don't get scrambled by my use of the <s 6> keyword in the top line.

Hope all this is helpful,

Cheers,

Matt

----------script follows--------------

<azk> <cr> <fd 15> <d 10> <s 6> <t 2000> <vm 1024, 768, 768, 16, 0> <!id PIO12> <id keyboard> <nfb> <dbc 255255255> <dwc 0>
$
0 <set 1,75> "Press SPACEBAR or FOOTPEDAL to start" ;
$
+1 <ctr% 1> "+" / * "split" <call 1000> / "+" /!;
+2 <ctr% 1> "+" /* "spit" <call 1000> / "+" /!;
+3 <ctr% 1> "+" /* "sit"  <call 1000> / "+"  /!;
+4 <ctr% 1> "+" / * "sat" <call 1000> / "+" /!;
+5 <ctr% 1> "+" /* "spat" <call 1000> / "+" /!;
+6 <ctr% 1> "+" /* "splat"  <call 1000> / "+" /!;
$
0 <bu 2000> c;
1000 !<birnle 500,1100> c;
0 !<birnle 333,1001> c;
0 !<birnle 500, 1002> c;
0 !<bu 1003> c;
1100 !<birnle 333,1004> c;
0 !<birnle 500, 1005> c;
0 !<bu 1006> c;
1001 !<set 1,34> <return> ;
1002 ! <set 1,49> <return> ;
1003 ! <set 1,64> <return> ;
1004 !<set 1,79> <return> ;
1005 !<set 1,94> <return> ;
1006 !<set 1,109> <return> ;
2000 "The END! Thank you for taking part.";
$


****************************************************
 Matt Davis
 MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit
 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF

 email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk
   tel: 01223 355 294 (#266)
   Fax: 01223 359 062

**************************************************** --=====================_1042220171==.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 14 04:54:24 2003 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0EBT9MS029505 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:29:09 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.227] (helo=PC195.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YP8Y-0007P9-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:21:43 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030114111900.0288f288@193.63.253.1> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:21:45 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: ITI by chance In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Markus, I've replied to your posting on the DMDX list - since that way other people might get some benefit from my reply. Let me know if you have trouble reading my reply, or figuring out how the script works. Also, I'm aware that you've just tried to subscribe to the DMDX list that I run in Cambridge. However, I'm reluctant to subscribe people outside Cambridge to this list, since this is primarily intended for local users. In particular people who use the DMDX set up at the Wolfson Brain Imaging Centre or at the Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit. I think that the main, official DMDX mailing list is much more appropriate for general queries such as yours. Hope this helps, Matt At 11:15 14/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >does anyone know how to create an Item-File with ITI´s/ISI´s by chance? > >One Trial consists of two stimuli. They are presented one after another. >I am interested in the RT to the second stimulus. >The ISI should be between 1000 and 1500 ms by chance. Besides I want to >vary the ITI within a determined range, too. > >Maby I have overlooked a relevant Keyword / combination of Keywords. >If not, maybe someone has a solution to this, using Excel. > >Please help me, >Markus. > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 14 10:00:04 2003 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0EGxJMS029903 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:59:19 -0700 Received: from KIFXP (128.196.98.29) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E24079B00008876 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:51:56 -0700 From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: ITI by chance Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:51:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c2bbed$3e252460$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Markus, Maybe I don't understand your problem, but it seems like there is a very simple solution. You just construct a file with as many items as you like, each containing a different frame timer specifying the ISI, e.g., +001 "stim1"/ %70 / * "stim2"/; +002 "stim1"/ %71 / * "stim2"/; +003 "stim1"/ %72 / * "stim2"/; +004 "stim1"/ %73 / * "stim2"/; +005 "stim1"/ %74 / * "stim2"/; +006 "stim1"/ %75 / * "stim2"/; etc. When the item file is scrambled, these items will appear in a random sequence. --k.i.f. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Markus Raabe Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:16 AM To: DMDX Mailinglist Subject: [DMDX] ITI by chance Hi, does anyone know how to create an Item-File with ITI´s/ISI´s by chance? One Trial consists of two stimuli. They are presented one after another. I am interested in the RT to the second stimulus. The ISI should be between 1000 and 1500 ms by chance. Besides I want to vary the ITI within a determined range, too. Maby I have overlooked a relevant Keyword / combination of Keywords. If not, maybe someone has a solution to this, using Excel. Please help me, Markus. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 15 17:02:42 2003 Received: from smtp.kent.edu (vscan.kent.edu [131.123.246.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0FNr8MS001275 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:53:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.kent.edu (Postfix-1) with ESMTP id 7DC134FA9E for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from verona (everona.psychology.kent.edu [131.123.236.172]) by smtp.kent.edu (Postfix-1) with SMTP id 892504FA53 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:42:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20030115183355.00a22da0@pop.kent.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:46:13 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Edelyn Verona Subject: [DMDX] digital voice recording Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_17192630==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_17192630==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm having a problem with DMDX recording the RT's of voice responses (for emotional stroop task) in the .azk files. The mic is connected directly to sound card. Using test vox, you see voice responses triggering properly, so you'd expect them to record RTs. Thus, I don't suspect any problems with hardware. However, the .azk file outputs only the delay time (2000 ms) for all trials, suggesting that somehow DMDX is not detecting triggers. Anybody encounter this or know of any information to trouble shoot this problem? I checked in the list serve but could not find any info. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Edelyn Here is an excerpt of the code: d59 f1 $ 0 o0 "Start Data Acquisition", "Press SPACEBAR to start"; 0 "NAME the INK COLOR ", "as quickly as possible!", "IGNORE the WORD itself."/c; 0 /c; $ +111101 * "DANGER" / /; +121102 * "DISTRESSED" / /; +131103 * "AGONY" / /; +142104 * "FEAR" / /; +152105 * "DEPRESSED" / /; +162106 * "ANXIOUS" / /; +173107 * "SAD" / /; +183108 * "TERRIBLE" / /; +193109 * "STRESS" / /; +211110 * "CRUEL" / /; +221111 * "ANGRY" / /; +231112 * "ASSAULT" / /; +242113 * "HOSTILE" / /; +252114 * "INSULT" / /; +262115 * "MASSACRE" / /; --=====================_17192630==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi,

I'm having a problem with DMDX recording the RT's of voice responses (for emotional stroop task) in the .azk files.  The mic is connected directly to sound card.  Using test vox, you see voice responses triggering properly, so you'd expect them to record RTs.  Thus, I don't suspect any problems with hardware.  However, the .azk file outputs only the delay time (2000 ms) for all trials, suggesting that somehow DMDX is not detecting triggers.  Anybody encounter this or know of any information to trouble shoot this problem?  I checked in the list serve but could not find any info.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Edelyn


Here is an excerpt of the code:

<ep> d59 f1 <s 40> <cr> <t 2000><id pio12> <id RecordVocal> <id digitalVOX> <id keyboard>  <dbc 0> <dfs 36> <vm 800,600,600,16,0><nfb><eop>
$
0 o0 <ln -2> "Start Data Acquisition", <ln 2> "Press SPACEBAR to start";
0 <ln -3> "NAME the INK COLOR ", <ln -1> "as quickly as possible!", <ln 2> "IGNORE the WORD itself."<msfd 7000>/c;
0 <msfd 2000>/c;
$
+111101  * "DANGER" <msfd 500> / <msfd 500>/;
+121102  * "DISTRESSED" <msfd 500> / <msfd 1000>/;
+131103  * "AGONY" <msfd 500> / <msfd 1500>/;
+142104  * "FEAR" <msfd 500> / <msfd 500>/;
+152105  * "DEPRESSED" <msfd 500> / <msfd 1000>/;
+162106  * "ANXIOUS" <msfd 500> / <msfd 1500>/;
+173107  * "SAD" <msfd 500> / <msfd 500>/;
+183108  * "TERRIBLE" <msfd 500> / <msfd 1000>/;
+193109  * "STRESS" <msfd 500>/ <msfd 1500>/;
+211110  * "CRUEL" <msfd 500>/ <msfd 500>/;
+221111  * "ANGRY" <msfd 500>/ <msfd 1000>/;
+231112  * "ASSAULT" <msfd 500>/ <msfd 1500>/;
+242113  * "HOSTILE" <msfd 500>/ <msfd 500>/;
+252114  * "INSULT" <msfd 500>/ <msfd 1000>/;
+262115  * "MASSACRE" <msfd 500>/ <msfd 1500>/;


--=====================_17192630==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 15 18:35:27 2003 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0G1YqMS001429 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:34:52 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id h0G1RNoV026742 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:27:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030115182237.00b33338@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:27:18 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: digital voice recording In-Reply-To: <4.1.20030115183355.00a22da0@pop.kent.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:46 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm having a problem with DMDX recording the RT's of voice responses (for >emotional stroop task) in the .azk files. The mic is connected directly >to sound card. Using test vox, you see voice responses triggering >properly, so you'd expect them to record RTs. Thus, I don't suspect any >problems with hardware. However, the .azk file outputs only the delay >time (2000 ms) for all trials, suggesting that somehow DMDX is not >detecting triggers. Anybody encounter this or know of any information to >trouble shoot this problem? I checked in the list serve but could not >find any info. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Your problem isn't jogging my memory but you should probably make sure you're using the latest version of DMDX, that code underwent multiple recent upheavals to deal with broken sound card drivers. You might try initializing the DigitalVOX before the RecordVocal device, you might try just the DigitalVOX without the RecordVocal device (! is handy for that sort of thing, you can just momentarily turn a keyword into a comment, for instance). You might try passing RecordVocal a parameter and not run it in legacy mode, for instance will record until 500ms past the VOX trigger. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Barth's Distinction: There are two types of people: those who divide people into two types, and those who don't. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 15 21:51:17 2003 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0G4omMS001742 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:50:52 -0700 Received: from Rua ([137.154.107.177]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id h0G4hIR07786 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:43:18 +1100 (EST) From: "Rua Haszard Morris" To: Subject: [DMDX] blank screen between frames/items Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:45:47 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c2bd1a$23b355b0$b16b9a89@Rua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi... I'm using (attempting to use) DMDX in such a manner that a bitmap image is displayed behind the text for a frame. Once the user has made a response, the following frame is an avi file. The image just happens to be the first frame of the video because I want the whole thing to seem like an animation. However, there is a gap (of blank screen) before the video frame is played. What (anything) can be done to alleviate this? Note that there are no blank screen between frames just containing the image and text. I tried preloading the video with a dud item & MediaLife but that didn't make a difference. Could an image be set as the background for all frames perhaps? Any help would be appreciated, Rua. Rua Haszard Morris Software Engineer & Research Assistant MARCS Auditory Laboratories http://www.uws.edu.au/marcs/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 16 10:22:27 2003 Received: from up.univ-mrs.fr (mailup.univ-mrs.fr [147.94.113.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0GHLNMS002502 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:21:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.univ-mrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C41220BBD for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:13:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from alario (unknown [172.17.0.99]) by up.univ-mrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4CB42851 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:13:51 +0100 (CET) From: "alario" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE : blank screen between frames/items Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:12:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c2bd82$69f30e90$630011ac@alario> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <000001c2bd1a$23b355b0$b16b9a89@Rua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi I 've been trying to create something similar in apicture naming experiment without much success (probably due to my lack of obstination). You can chck out previous messages in the list (for instance you can make a search for my name 'alario' in the list thread) Cheers X F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive - Case 66 CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo 13331 Marseille Cedex 3, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc -----Message d'origine----- De : DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] De la part de Rua Haszard Morris Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2003 05:46 À : DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Objet : [DMDX] blank screen between frames/items Hi... I'm using (attempting to use) DMDX in such a manner that a bitmap image is displayed behind the text for a frame. Once the user has made a response, the following frame is an avi file. The image just happens to be the first frame of the video because I want the whole thing to seem like an animation. However, there is a gap (of blank screen) before the video frame is played. What (anything) can be done to alleviate this? Note that there are no blank screen between frames just containing the image and text. I tried preloading the video with a dud item & MediaLife but that didn't make a difference. Could an image be set as the background for all frames perhaps? Any help would be appreciated, Rua. Rua Haszard Morris Software Engineer & Research Assistant MARCS Auditory Laboratories http://www.uws.edu.au/marcs/ ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 16 10:49:21 2003 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0GHnDMS002612 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:49:14 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E26AAE10000B183 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:41:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030116102301.00b13288@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:41:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: blank screen between frames/items In-Reply-To: <000001c2bd1a$23b355b0$b16b9a89@Rua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:45 PM 1/16/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Hi... > >I'm using (attempting to use) DMDX in such a manner that a bitmap image is >displayed behind the text for a frame. Once the user has made a response, >the following frame is an avi file. The image just happens to be the first >frame of the video because I want the whole thing to seem like an animation. > >However, there is a gap (of blank screen) before the video frame is played. >What (anything) can be done to alleviate this? Note that there are no blank >screen between frames just containing the image and text. I tried >preloading the video with a dud item & MediaLife but that didn't make a >difference. > >Could an image be set as the background for all frames perhaps? Not without changing the code and that would require sponsorship from you. There's a good deal of quite complicated code in there that determines if a previous digital video frame needs erasing, my guess is that your video codec (the code that has been added to the operating system to handle whatever digital video format you are using) is taking some time to deliver the first frame of the video and in the interim DMDX is erasing the screen because it's algorithm has a hole in it and it's making the wrong decision. You could try putting a no-erase ! in the digital video frame. If that doesn't change anything you could try a different digital video format. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "Wagner's music is better than it sounds." - Mark Twain From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 16 11:31:20 2003 Received: from telesmtp3.mail.isp (imap.infonegocio.com [213.4.129.150]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0GIV4MS002693 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:31:04 -0700 Received: from Alex1 ([80.37.181.244]) by telesmtp3.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H8TKF802.482 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:23:32 +0100 From: "albert costa" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE : blank screen between frames/items Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:23:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c2bd8c$68a37890$f4b52550@Alex1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <000301c2bd82$69f30e90$630011ac@alario> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list K simpatico eres mi amor -----Mensaje original----- De: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] En nombre de alario Enviado el: jueves, 16 de enero de 2003 18:12 Para: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Asunto: [DMDX] RE : blank screen between frames/items Hi I 've been trying to create something similar in apicture naming experiment without much success (probably due to my lack of obstination). You can chck out previous messages in the list (for instance you can make a search for my name 'alario' in the list thread) Cheers X F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive - Case 66 CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo 13331 Marseille Cedex 3, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc -----Message d'origine----- De : DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] De la part de Rua Haszard Morris Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2003 05:46 À : DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Objet : [DMDX] blank screen between frames/items Hi... I'm using (attempting to use) DMDX in such a manner that a bitmap image is displayed behind the text for a frame. Once the user has made a response, the following frame is an avi file. The image just happens to be the first frame of the video because I want the whole thing to seem like an animation. However, there is a gap (of blank screen) before the video frame is played. What (anything) can be done to alleviate this? Note that there are no blank screen between frames just containing the image and text. I tried preloading the video with a dud item & MediaLife but that didn't make a difference. Could an image be set as the background for all frames perhaps? Any help would be appreciated, Rua. Rua Haszard Morris Software Engineer & Research Assistant MARCS Auditory Laboratories http://www.uws.edu.au/marcs/ ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 16 16:34:34 2003 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0GNNWMS003079 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:23:32 -0700 Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA02362 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA14945 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from andy.mit.edu (MAP.MIT.EDU [18.173.0.96]) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA24622 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:16:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030116175944.00a81380@hesiod> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:15:31 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Diana Sonnenreich Subject: [DMDX] video card question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hi. i've already contacted Ken, so i have a bit of info on this, but i am having issues rotating text within DMDX. i need to be able to project a rotated image of 90degrees onto a screen. so, for our Mac experiments we rely on our rotating monitor and pivot sorftware to do this. i realize that i can create with image software a rotated image of text and then apply this to DMDX -- but is this possible within DMDX? i have a rotating monitor with pivot software (for out PC) but this does not seem to be supported by DMDX - so going thru the calibrations for video output, when i rotate the screen resolution/display i get error messages saying "DMDX or DirectX does not support page flipping". also, Ken confirmed that the video card, ATI Radeon VE, is useless with DMDX ...can you suggest a better one? the major question here though is can i rotate a text image within DMDX (with or without rotating the monitor)? any input on this problem i would appreciate tremendously! thank you. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 16 17:04:10 2003 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0H03vMS003179 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:03:58 -0700 Received: from Rua ([137.154.107.177]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id h0GNuPR05311 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:56:25 +1100 (EST) From: "Rua Haszard Morris" To: "DMDX List \(E-mail\)" Subject: [DMDX] paths to data files Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:58:55 +1100 Message-ID: <000e01c2bdbb$3aeb2c20$b16b9a89@Rua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi... Is it possible in DMDX to specify data files (images, video clips etc) that aren't in the same folder as the item file? e.g. 2 "c:\DataThatIsTooBigToLieInADevelopmentFolder\whiteboy.avi" ; Thanks in advance, Rua. Rua Haszard Morris Software Engineer & Research Assistant MARCS Auditory Laboratories http://www.uws.edu.au/marcs/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 17 10:35:39 2003 Received: from smtp.kent.edu (vscan.kent.edu [131.123.246.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0HHYpMS004138 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:34:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.kent.edu (Postfix-1) with ESMTP id 7C0FE4F4B0 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from verona (everona.psychology.kent.edu [131.123.236.172]) by smtp.kent.edu (Postfix-1) with SMTP id E1F114EAC1 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:23:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20030117120045.00a2edf0@pop.kent.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.20030117120045.00a2edf0@pop.kent.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:27:53 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Edelyn Verona Subject: [DMDX] Re: digital voice recording In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030115182237.00b33338@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <4.1.20030115183355.00a22da0@pop.kent.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, I am using the largest version of DMDX. I tried the different strategies you suggested (initializing digitalvox before record vocal, commenting out record vocal, not running record vocal on legacy mode), and these didn't work. We have been able to record voice responses on wav files with no problem, it's just that DMDX is not outputting RTs of voice responses on the .azk file (only the delay time gets outputted). I got a colleague's rtf file (which is running properly on his machine), and ran it in my machine and still did not get RTs outputted in the .azk file. How is it that wav files are recorded but not the RTs? Any further help would be appreciated. Thanks, Edelyn At 06:27 PM 1/15/03 -0700, you wrote: >At 06:46 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I'm having a problem with DMDX recording the RT's of voice responses (for >>emotional stroop task) in the .azk files. The mic is connected directly >>to sound card. Using test vox, you see voice responses triggering >>properly, so you'd expect them to record RTs. Thus, I don't suspect any >>problems with hardware. However, the .azk file outputs only the delay >>time (2000 ms) for all trials, suggesting that somehow DMDX is not >>detecting triggers. Anybody encounter this or know of any information to >>trouble shoot this problem? I checked in the list serve but could not >>find any info. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Your problem isn't jogging my memory but you should probably make sure >you're using the latest version of DMDX, that code underwent multiple >recent upheavals to deal with broken sound card drivers. You might try >initializing the DigitalVOX before the RecordVocal device, you might try >just the DigitalVOX without the RecordVocal device (! is handy for that >sort of thing, you can just momentarily turn a keyword into a comment, RecordVocal> for instance). You might try passing RecordVocal a parameter >and not run it in legacy mode, for instance will >record until 500ms past the VOX trigger. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > >Barth's Distinction: > There are two types of people: those who divide people into two >types, and those who don't. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Edelyn Verona, Ph.D. Department of Psychology Kent State University Kent, OH 44242 Office: 330-672-2543 Lab: 330-672-9738 Fax: 330-672-3786 email: everona@kent.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 17 11:33:21 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0HIXJMS004286 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:33:19 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E27FAF50000CDFE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:25:46 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030117112430.00b13268@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:25:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video card question In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030116175944.00a81380@hesiod> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:15 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: >DirectX does not support page flipping". also, Ken confirmed that the >video card, ATI Radeon VE, is useless with DMDX ...can you suggest a >better one? Look at the updates page: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx.htm /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "Wagner's music is better than it sounds." - Mark Twain From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 17 11:33:47 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0HIXJMT004286 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:33:45 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E27FAF50000CE4F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:26:12 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030117112604.00b3b678@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:26:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: paths to data files In-Reply-To: <000e01c2bdbb$3aeb2c20$b16b9a89@Rua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:58 AM 1/17/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Hi... > >Is it possible in DMDX to specify data files (images, video clips etc) that >aren't in the same folder as the item file? Yes. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "Wagner's music is better than it sounds." - Mark Twain From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 17 11:34:53 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0HIYpMS004349 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:34:51 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E27FAF50000CF21 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:27:18 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030117112640.00b3b678@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:27:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: digital voice recording In-Reply-To: <4.1.20030117120045.00a2edf0@pop.kent.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030115182237.00b33338@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <4.1.20030115183355.00a22da0@pop.kent.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:27 PM 1/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I am using the largest version of DMDX. I tried the different strategies >you suggested (initializing digitalvox before record vocal, commenting out >record vocal, not running record vocal on legacy mode), and these didn't >work. We have been able to record voice responses on wav files with no >problem, it's just that DMDX is not outputting RTs of voice responses on >the .azk file (only the delay time gets outputted). I got a colleague's >rtf file (which is running properly on his machine), and ran it in my >machine and still did not get RTs outputted in the .azk file. How is it >that wav files are recorded but not the RTs? Any further help would be >appreciated. You mist have the VOX threshold settings set incorrectly. Perhaps you set them but didn't save them. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "Wagner's music is better than it sounds." - Mark Twain From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 17 11:39:47 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0HIVtMS004255 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:31:55 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E27FAF50000CC66 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:24:22 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030117104610.00b13268@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:24:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video card question In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030116175944.00a81380@hesiod> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:15 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: >hi. i've already contacted Ken, so i have a bit of info on this, but i am >having issues rotating text within DMDX. i need to be able to project a >rotated image of 90degrees onto a screen. so, for our Mac experiments we >rely on our rotating monitor and pivot sorftware to do this. >i realize that i can create with image software a rotated image of text >and then apply this to DMDX -- but is this possible within DMDX? No, I don't think I ever exposed the orientation parameter to the GDI text rendering routines. Might be messy to expose, in any case it would require sponsorship. > i have a rotating monitor with pivot software (for out PC) but this > does not seem to be supported by DMDX - so going thru the calibrations > for video output, when i rotate the screen resolution/display i get error > messages saying "DMDX or DirectX does not support page flipping". Not surprising, it's probably got a custom video card in it that hasn't had a driver update for eons. > also, Ken confirmed that the video card, ATI Radeon VE, is useless with > DMDX ...can you suggest a better one? the major question here though is > can i rotate a text image within DMDX (with or without rotating the monitor)? >any input on this problem i would appreciate tremendously! A quick play with the escapement and orientation parameters to CreateFont() indicate that DMDX could in fact do this but the routines that determine the dimensions of a piece of text fail so there's some major code modifications needed. And then there's the considerations of line placement and so on. Major major modifications needed. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "Wagner's music is better than it sounds." - Mark Twain From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 17 17:07:13 2003 Received: from mx3.melange.net ([212.59.199.89]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0I06GMS004864 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:06:16 -0700 Received: from smta01.arrakis.isp ([192.168.197.182]) by mx3.melange.net (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h0I00Vv16012 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:00:31 +0100 Received: from s2m8q0 ([195.5.79.34]) by smta01.arrakis.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 ssmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id H8VUOV04.100 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:00:31 +0100 From: egoiko@arrakis.es To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:56:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [DMDX] TimeDX no run Message-ID: <3E28A64E.11932.665AF8@localhost> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDX users, First, I apologize because my English is not good at all. Second, I am having problems with a portatil Pentium III with SiS 630/730 video card, and SiS 7018 audio driver. The TimeDX's error message is the following: "Directx reports no support for Page Flipping The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX'x purposes" I have already tried out installed a new drivers SiS 630/730 (1-8- 2002) to replace the present now. No difference - still not run. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Edurne Goikoetxea ******************************************************** Edurne Goikoetxea Universidad de Deusto Facultad de Filosofía y Educación Aptdo. 1 48080-Bilbao Spain Tel. +34 94 413 9000 Fax +34 94 413 9089 ******************************************************** From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 17 18:23:49 2003 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0I1GuMS004989 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:16:56 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id h0I19LWQ015416 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:09:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030117180751.00b12888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:09:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: TimeDX no run In-Reply-To: <3E28A64E.11932.665AF8@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:56 AM 1/18/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Dear DMDX users, > >First, I apologize because my English is not good at all. > >Second, I am having problems with a portatil Pentium III with SiS >630/730 video card, and SiS 7018 audio driver. The TimeDX's error >message is the following: > >"Directx reports no support for Page Flipping >The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX'x >purposes" > >I have already tried out installed a new drivers SiS 630/730 (1-8- >2002) to replace the present now. No difference - still not run. SiS video chipsets are universally woeful. If your hardware can't flip video pages you can't use DMDX on it. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. - Redd Foxx From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jan 18 15:21:03 2003 Received: from mx3.melange.net ([212.59.199.89]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0IMKHMS006130 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:20:18 -0700 Received: from smta03.arrakis.isp ([192.168.197.85]) by mx3.melange.net (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h0IMEUv27474 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:14:30 +0100 Received: from s2m8q0 ([195.5.71.245]) by smta03.arrakis.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 ssmtp05 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id H8XKG506.500 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:14:29 +0100 From: egoiko@arrakis.es To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:10:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [DMDX] Re: TimeDX no run Message-ID: <3E29DEF3.5408.8FC8EA@localhost> In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20030117180751.00b12888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3E28A64E.11932.665AF8@localhost> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathan (j.c.f.), Thank-you for your answer. Faithfully, Edurne ******************************************************** Edurne Goikoetxea Universidad de Deusto Facultad de Filosofía y Educación Aptdo. 1 48080-Bilbao Spain Tel. +34 94 413 9000 Fax +34 94 413 9089 ******************************************************** From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jan 19 15:00:54 2003 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0JLoGMS007392 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:50:17 -0700 Received: from Rua ([137.154.107.177]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id h0JLgZR21925 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:42:35 +1100 (EST) From: "Rua Haszard Morris" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: paths to data files Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:45:08 +1100 Message-ID: <000901c2c004$08f0b4b0$b16b9a89@Rua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030117112604.00b3b678@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for the help... For those that aren't aware, the correct (i.e. way that works) way to specify non-local data files is using a forward slash '/', not a backslash '\' (as is standard on windows systems. Escaping the backslash with another backslash (C string literal style) does not work either. e.g. to specify "C:\big data\file.avi" use "C:/big data/file.avi" If the above is not totally correct, please forgive me as I found this by experimenting with different delimiter characters. Thanks, Rua Haszard Morris. > At 10:58 AM 1/17/2003 +1100, you wrote: > >Hi... > > > >Is it possible in DMDX to specify data files (images, video > clips etc) that > >aren't in the same folder as the item file? > > > Yes. > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > "Wagner's music is better than it sounds." > > - Mark Twain > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jan 19 16:59:17 2003 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0JNwpMS007558 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:58:51 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id h0JNpAWQ003858 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:51:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030119164036.00b12888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:51:05 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: paths to data files In-Reply-To: <000901c2c004$08f0b4b0$b16b9a89@Rua> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030117112604.00b3b678@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:45 AM 1/20/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Thanks for the help... > >For those that aren't aware, the correct (i.e. way that works) way to >specify non-local data files is using a forward slash '/', not a backslash >'\' (as is standard on windows systems. Escaping the backslash with another >backslash (C string literal style) does not work either. > >e.g. to specify >"C:\big data\file.avi" > >use >"C:/big data/file.avi" > >If the above is not totally correct, please forgive me as I found this by >experimenting with different delimiter characters. Hmm that's odd. The backslash (\) is what's always worked in the past and after checking it now still works on my machine. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 21 09:05:48 2003 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0LG4uMS009862 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:04:56 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h0LFvAXO009378 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:57:10 +0100 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:57:09 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:56:44 +0100 From: "Derek Eder" To: Subject: [DMDX] using external trigger to execute DMDX functions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'd appreciate some feedback on the viability of a concept that I would like to implement in DMDX. The background is a study of neural and autonomic responses to stimuli. It is well known that some neural and autonomic responses to stimuli (e.g. heart rate deceleration ~ orienting response) are dependent on when in the cardiac cycle the stimulus is delivered. The concept is simple: a reaction time measurement to an occasional (random ISI) stimulus, except that the stimulus is always delivered 200 msec after an ECG R-wave. Do you suppose that DMDX could wait for a PIO-12 input trigger signal (from a ECG R-wave detector), wait 200 msec, execute a stimulus presentation, gather a reaction time and then go to sleep for some seconds (random ISI) before triggering on the next available R-wave? I suppose that the fMRI peoples must want to coordinate DMDX with scans as well? Thanks, Derek P.S., I am forced to use the Novell GroupWise email program and have absolutely no control over the encoding format of my mails (i.e., HTML vs. plain text) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 21 11:01:17 2003 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0LHsdMS010038 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:54:39 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.227] (helo=PC195.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18b2U8-0004to-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:46:52 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030121173322.06814350@193.63.253.1> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:47:03 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: using external trigger to execute DMDX functions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Easily done - and an interesting project! The trick would be to wire up the R-wave detector to Bit 0 of the PIO (which is the request line). Then make sure that you are running in "subject request mode" (ie. not ) and voila, your trials will be triggered by the occurrence of an R-Wave. You might also want to put some blank item 0 events between your trials, so that there is a longer gap between stimuli. Hope this helps, Matt At 16:56 21/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: >I'd appreciate some feedback on the viability of a concept that I would >like to implement in DMDX. > >The background is a study of neural and autonomic responses to >stimuli. It is well known that some neural and autonomic responses to >stimuli (e.g. heart rate deceleration ~ orienting response) are dependent >on when in the cardiac cycle the stimulus is delivered. > >The concept is simple: a reaction time measurement to an occasional >(random ISI) stimulus, except that the stimulus is always delivered 200 >msec after an ECG R-wave. > >Do you suppose that DMDX could wait for a PIO-12 input trigger signal >(from a ECG R-wave detector), wait 200 msec, execute a stimulus >presentation, gather a reaction time and then go to sleep for some >seconds (random ISI) before triggering on the next available R-wave? > >I suppose that the fMRI peoples must want to coordinate DMDX with scans as >well? > >Thanks, > >Derek > > >P.S., I am forced to use the Novell GroupWise email program and have >absolutely no control over the encoding format of my mails (i.e., HTML vs. >plain text) > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 21 11:18:59 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0LID0MS010105 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:13:00 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E2D40EB0000D2F4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:05:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030121110149.00b13268@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:05:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: using external trigger to execute DMDX functions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:56 PM 1/21/2003 +0100, you wrote: >I'd appreciate some feedback on the viability of a concept that I would >like to implement in DMDX. > >The background is a study of neural and autonomic responses to >stimuli. It is well known that some neural and autonomic responses to >stimuli (e.g. heart rate deceleration ~ orienting response) are dependent >on when in the cardiac cycle the stimulus is delivered. > >The concept is simple: a reaction time measurement to an occasional >(random ISI) stimulus, except that the stimulus is always delivered 200 >msec after an ECG R-wave. > >Do you suppose that DMDX could wait for a PIO-12 input trigger signal >(from a ECG R-wave detector), wait 200 msec, execute a stimulus >presentation, gather a reaction time and then go to sleep for some >seconds (random ISI) before triggering on the next available R-wave? > >I suppose that the fMRI peoples must want to coordinate DMDX with scans as >well? We've done it with the R-wave wired up to the request. The only fly in the ointment is that DMDX is synchronized to the raster so any response it makes to an external stimulus is going to be delayed by anything up to a single retrace interval. But that can be lowered to around 10ms on any modern machines. >Thanks, > >Derek > > >P.S., I am forced to use the Novell GroupWise email program and have >absolutely no control over the encoding format of my mails (i.e., HTML vs. >plain text) Looks like it's plain text to me, most impressive. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 22 02:20:46 2003 Received: from web13802.mail.yahoo.com (web13802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.12]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id h0M9KAMS010994 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:20:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20030122091223.80948.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.134.76.55] by web13802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:12:23 CET Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:12:23 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christiane=20Bohn?= Subject: [DMDX] using voice key To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hi, I want to do a reading experiment for single words with my dyslexic patient. everything went very well so far, the voice key works and records the RTs wich is perfect. But how do I achieve that the written stimulus disappears from the screen as soon as the subjects responds (so that the voice onset triggers a blank screen)? For a key press response I added 'c' and that worked (as in +1 *"Mensch"c;) but this does not work for the voice key response. Does anyone have experience with this or a similar design? All help is very appreciated! Thanks! Christiane Bohn __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 22 10:42:50 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0MHQoMS011575 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:26:50 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E2E92A50000A113 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:19:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030122101646.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:19:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: using voice key In-Reply-To: <20030122091223.80948.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:12 AM 1/22/2003 +0100, you wrote: >hi, > >I want to do a reading experiment for single words >with my dyslexic patient. everything went very well so >far, the voice key works and records the RTs wich is >perfect. >But how do I achieve that the written stimulus >disappears from the screen as soon as the subjects >responds (so that the voice onset triggers a blank >screen)? >For a key press response I added 'c' and that worked >(as in +1 *"Mensch"c;) but this does not work for the >voice key response. > >Does anyone have experience with this or a similar >design? All help is very appreciated! Depends what's in your item file, by default the feedback from the VOX will clear the screen. Perhaps you have or that is stopping this in which case the way to clear the screen is to remove and instead use . http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhclearfeedbackkeyword.htm /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 23 21:44:12 2003 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0O4gaMS014306 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:42:37 -0700 Received: from Rua ([137.154.107.177]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id h0O4YfR13330 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:34:41 +1100 (EST) From: "Rua Haszard Morris" To: "DMDX List \(E-mail\)" Subject: [DMDX] error response feedback Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:37:13 +1100 Message-ID: <000f01c2c362$44cc5b90$b16b9a89@Rua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'd like to present different feedback for specific response errors, and I can't work out how branch/set feedback for the following response errors: 1. more than one key pressed at once/within a certain timeframe 2. response occurred before timing started (e.g. before second stim in a discrim trial) It's easy to do late response feedback using ; is it this easy to do the two above? Are they possible using branching? Thanks in advance for any help, Rua HM. Rua Haszard Morris Software Engineer & Research Assistant MARCS Auditory Laboratories http://www.uws.edu.au/marcs/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 23 23:19:59 2003 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0O6JMMS014461 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:19:22 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id h0O6BTpn008410 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:11:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030123230740.00b12888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:11:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: error response feedback In-Reply-To: <000f01c2c362$44cc5b90$b16b9a89@Rua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:37 PM 1/24/2003 +1100, you wrote: >I'd like to present different feedback for specific response errors, and I >can't work out how branch/set feedback for the following response errors: > >1. more than one key pressed at once/within a certain timeframe >2. response occurred before timing started (e.g. before second stim in a >discrim trial) > >It's easy to do late response feedback using ; is it this >easy to do the two above? Are they possible using branching? I suspect option 1 is not possible, I don't think I ever added anything that would allow parsing of zillion responses. You could only do it after the fact with another program. Option 2 is certainly possible, just start the clock at the beginning of the item, turn DMDX's feedback routines off with and provide your own custom feedback routine (examples are in the docs as I recall) and compare the XT (raw RT before correctness is determined) to the time the target would have been displayed after the start of the trial. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The two great tragedies in life: not getting what one wants and getting it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 24 17:26:16 2003 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0P0KoMS015570 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:20:51 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.5.033) id 3E2FE5510004EF5E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:12:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124170534.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:12:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DX9 and GeForce video cards under XP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I just got to test a NVIDIA GeForce Ti 4200 on a windows XP box having upgraded to DirectX 9 and the GeForce crashes are gone, DMDX finds and use 24 back buffers. BUT the instructions of test script weren't displayed so there's something still flipped out in there. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 27 11:59:39 2003 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu (broadway.montclair.edu [130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0RIjQMS018958 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:45:27 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H9D00KRDYE69F@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.68.51.188] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:37:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:37:18 -0500 From: Arturo Kiyama Subject: [DMDX] Dmdx freezes II To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <4aae694a3305.4a33054aae69@montclair.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I had a problem with Dmdx and a Pent II, Windows 95, 64 RAM, ATI 3D PRO. Well the problem was deduced to be Windows, so we upgraded to Widnows 98. The problem persisted so then we assumed it was the display drivers (since Dmdx is running on two other computers that were exactly the same except for the monitor and display drivers). Once the display drivers were upgraded dmdx appeared to work fine, albeit a bit slower when loading the program, but ran fine. Well now the program is not running again. I keep getting this error: Could not find Registry key I have attempted to lower the resolution and refresh rates with no avail. I also attempted to run older versions of Dmdx, again to no avail. Does anybody have any other recourse we can follow through, as I feel the only explanation left is that this computer just does not like Dmdx! Thank you. Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 27 12:22:11 2003 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0RJLlMS019067 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:21:47 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.5.033) id 3E352B1B00010413 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:13:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030127121050.00b13230@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:13:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes II In-Reply-To: <4aae694a3305.4a33054aae69@montclair.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:37 PM 1/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I had a problem with Dmdx and a Pent II, Windows 95, 64 RAM, ATI 3D >PRO. Well the problem was deduced to be Windows, so we upgraded to >Widnows 98. The problem persisted so then we assumed it was the >display drivers (since Dmdx is running on two other computers that were >exactly the same except for the monitor and display drivers). Once the >display drivers were upgraded dmdx appeared to work fine, albeit a bit >slower when loading the program, but ran fine. Well now the program is >not running again. I keep getting this error: > >Could not find Registry key Drivers\640x480 (480)_8bpa_0Hz> > >I have attempted to lower the resolution and refresh rates with no >avail. I also attempted to run older versions of Dmdx, again to no >avail. Does anybody have any other recourse we can follow through, as >I feel the only explanation left is that this computer just does not >like Dmdx! Thank you. Certainly there are some machines that just plain can't handle DMDX and they're usually old machines. However that message means you need to time that video mode, if it was timed in the past then something has damaged the registry. Perhaps the hard disk is failing and you need to check it's integrity. Perhaps you just need to reformat it and install 98 from scratch and see if it gets better. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 27 16:49:55 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0RNnJMS019468 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:49:19 -0700 Received: from [128.196.93.8] by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:41:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:41:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3E3529EF00002069@phobos.email.Arizona.EDU> From: gardners@email.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Using a Gamepad in DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello - I have been working with DMDX and wish to use a GamePad to record response time for a maze task. (Two words are presented, the subject needs to choose the right or left word.) The actual type is GamePad Pro USB by Gravis. I cannot get DMDX to recognize the buttons. First question: For this device what Input Device do I use? After I have this I think I can get the buttons to map using the and commands to chose the buttons for a yes and no response. I have used TimeDX to see which buttons correspond to the button names (i.e. "button 4"). There are buttons 0-9 and when in TimeDX I can press a button and get the button name to highlight. However, I cannot make this work in DMDX. I have searched the online tutorials, and FAQ's to see if this has been addressed previously, however, I was unable to find just the right information. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 27 17:15:52 2003 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0S07uMS019530 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:07:56 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.5.033) id 3E352B1B0001F376 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:59:51 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030127165624.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:59:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX In-Reply-To: <3E3529EF00002069@phobos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:41 PM 1/27/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hello - > >I have been working with DMDX and wish to use a GamePad to record response >time for a maze task. (Two words are presented, the subject needs to choose >the right or left word.) The actual type is GamePad Pro USB by Gravis. >I cannot get DMDX to recognize the buttons. First question: > >For this device what Input Device do I use? Either of the joystick devices. If TimeDX sees it as you indicate below then you use the name of the device that TimeDX displays that you click on to test the device. >After I have this I think I can get the buttons to map using the >and commands to chose the buttons for a yes and no response. > >I have used TimeDX to see which buttons correspond to the button names (i.e. >"button 4"). There are buttons 0-9 and when in TimeDX I can press a button >and get the button name to highlight. However, I cannot make this work >in DMDX. In DMDX to use the button you would put in the item file. >I have searched the online tutorials, and FAQ's to see if this has been >addressed previously, however, I was unable to find just the right >information. > There may be some issue I'm not recalling at the moment but my guess is that if TimeDX sees the device you've just got to get the names right for DMDX. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 30 22:38:28 2003 Received: from hkusua.hku.hk (hkue10ka.hku.hk [147.8.2.91]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0V5XUMS024981 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:33:31 -0700 Received: from webmaila.hku.hk (webmaila-ge.hku.hk [147.8.145.200]) by hkusua.hku.hk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id h0V5P9G01708 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:25:11 +0800 (HKT) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:25:08 +0800 From: "Wan Mei Po, Mabel" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Timing accuracy and display error Message-ID: <3E45EB10@webmaila.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, The refresh rate of my monitor is 16.57ms. I set the items to be displayed at 300 ticks each. Therefore, with the RT accuracy test, I should obtain a figure somewhere around 4971ms. Nevertheless, I have obtained sth different. Subject 2, 01/30/2003 16:58:41 on I8D0U9, refresh 16.68ms Item RT COT 1 -1300.00 0.00 2 -1300.00 6153.41 3 -1300.00 12306.82 4 -1300.00 18460.27 5 -1300.00 24613.64 Even with the refresh rate 16.68ms, the COT should be about 5000ms, rather than 6153ms. There may also be some problems with the ticks and display . Since some of the items are visibly slower, in the output file, display error was stated. ! Display error at msec 225857.94, tick 12666 in item 115, frame "" ! 16.49ms of refused video flips occured ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick As my stimuli are Chinese characters, there was a small dot appearing near the bottom left side of some characters (but not all) despite its absence in the input files. Furthermore, after running several sessions, the program do not run on opening a new sessions, with the dialogue box noting that there was illegal operations and the program aborted immediately. What could I do to solve the problems above? The configuration of my PC is Pentium III 700Mhz, Chinese Window 98, 32MB video memory. Thank you very much. Regards, Mabel Wan Wan Mei Po, Mabel Department of Psychology The University of Hong Kong From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 31 02:29:57 2003 Received: from dux1.tcd.ie (dux1.tcd.ie [134.226.1.23]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0V9TSMS025181 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:29:28 -0700 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by dux1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E41D700 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:21:08 +0000 (GMT) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] Problem with recordvocal Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:23:41 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c2c90a$72848aa0$47a9e286@PSY169071> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all. I was wondering if anyone has encountered and figured out the solution to the below problem. Im running an experiment where the subject has to respond at the end of each trail; they have to say "same" or "different". I've two versions of the experiment. The first version (A) works fine and recordvocal records what the subject says without any problems. The second version (B), which has identical settings as the first however only records the 's' of same and the 'di' of different. To prevent the possibility of the wav file in (B) from activating digitalvox, all heard stimuli are presented through headphones (the wav file is 3 seconds long). I have a soundblaster live in the computer and am wondering whether it could be a hardware problem with the sound card and windows xp that im running the latest version of DMDX on. It could be something to do with the soundcard playing a wav file and being expected to record a response at the same time (only script B). I've tried altering the order of and have tried adding as suggesting in one of the emails on the user list server but neither have had an effect. Cheers for any help, Andy. (A) < mpr “+DigitalVOX”> =87 “Please Wait” / “Please get ready to feel then view the objects” / “PREBEEP” / “Please touch the object” / “tone” / / “CROSS” / * “v” /; (B) =87 “Please Wait” / “Please get ready to view then feel the objects” / “CROSS” / “h” / / “PREBEEP” / * “Please touch the object” / “tone” /; Andy Woods, Room 1.10, Department of Psychology, Aras an Phiarsaigh, University of Dublin, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland. Tel: + 353 (0) 1 608 1521 Fax: + 353 (0) 1 671 2006 Mob: + 353 (0) 87779 4280 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 31 09:01:10 2003 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0VFnfMS025578 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:49:41 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id h0VFfPGC015494 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:41:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030131083456.00b128c8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:41:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing accuracy and display error In-Reply-To: <3E45EB10@webmaila.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:25 PM 1/31/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Hi all, > >The refresh rate of my monitor is 16.57ms. I set the items to be displayed >at 300 ticks each. Therefore, with the RT accuracy test, I should obtain a >figure somewhere around 4971ms. Nevertheless, I have obtained sth different. > >Subject 2, 01/30/2003 16:58:41 on I8D0U9, refresh 16.68ms > Item RT COT > 1 -1300.00 0.00 > 2 -1300.00 6153.41 > 3 -1300.00 12306.82 > 4 -1300.00 18460.27 > 5 -1300.00 24613.64 > >Even with the refresh rate 16.68ms, the COT should be about 5000ms, rather >than 6153ms. So maybe you need to set a D parameter, who knows, I can't tell without seeing a sample of your item file. Did you read the timing notes? >There may also be some problems with the ticks and display . Since some of >the items are visibly slower, in the output file, display error was stated. >! Display error at msec 225857.94, tick 12666 in item 115, frame "" >! 16.49ms of refused video flips occured >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick Horrible hardware or horrible display drivers, one of the two. >As my stimuli are Chinese characters, there was a small dot appearing near >the >bottom left side of some characters (but not all) despite its absence in the >input files. See the keyword. >Furthermore, after running several sessions, the program do not run on >opening >a new sessions, with the dialogue box noting that there was illegal >operations >and the program aborted immediately. Really horrible hardware. Perhaps try using the DMDX shortcut for really bad video cards. >What could I do to solve the problems above? >The configuration of my PC is Pentium III 700Mhz, Chinese Window 98, 32MB >video memory. Apply driver updates to the machine, apply a VIA Hyperion driver update /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ How come wrong numbers are never busy? From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 31 09:05:20 2003 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0VFqJMS025607 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:52:19 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id h0VFi3GC016922 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:44:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030131084159.00b2f688@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:43:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problem with recordvocal In-Reply-To: <001701c2c90a$72848aa0$47a9e286@PSY169071> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:23 AM 1/31/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all. > >I was wondering if anyone has encountered and figured out the solution to >the below problem. > >Im running an experiment where the subject has to respond at the end of each >trail; they have to say "same" or "different". I've two versions of the >experiment. The first version (A) works fine and recordvocal records what >the subject says without any problems. The second version (B), which has >identical settings as the first however only records the 's' of same and the >'di' of different. To prevent the possibility of the wav file in (B) from >activating digitalvox, all heard stimuli are presented through headphones >(the wav file is 3 seconds long). I have a soundblaster live in the computer >and am wondering whether it could be a hardware problem with the sound card >and windows xp that im running the latest version of DMDX on. Original SBLive divers were horrible. Later ones still suck but they work for most applications. > It could be >something to do with the soundcard playing a wav file and being expected to >record a response at the same time (only script B). I've tried altering the >order of and have tried adding "RecordVocal" 0, 1000> as suggesting in one of the emails on the user list >server but neither have had an effect. > >Cheers for any help, Andy. Don't include the DigitalVOX device in the second item file. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ How come wrong numbers are never busy? From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 3 14:02:03 2003 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu (broadway.montclair.edu [130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h13L0qMS029493 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:00:56 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H9R009GU3BA08@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.68.51.188] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:52:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:52:22 -0500 From: Arturo Kiyama Subject: [DMDX] DMDX to a network To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <69f1e8699553.69955369f1e8@montclair.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I looked around and could not find a tutorial or information of DMDX being able to have data written/saved on the network, instead of the hard drive/floppy. Is this possible with the program? And how? Thank you. Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 3 14:14:49 2003 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu (broadway.montclair.edu [130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h13LEfMS029561 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:14:41 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H9R009883YF1X@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.68.51.188] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:06:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:06:15 -0500 From: Arturo Kiyama Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes II To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <69d66c69f9f6.69f9f669d66c@montclair.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:37 PM 1/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I had a problem with Dmdx and a Pent II, Windows 95, 64 RAM, ATI 3D >PRO. Well the problem was deduced to be Windows, so we upgraded to >Widnows 98. The problem persisted so then we assumed it was the >display drivers (since Dmdx is running on two other computers that were >exactly the same except for the monitor and display drivers). Once the >display drivers were upgraded dmdx appeared to work fine, albeit a bit >slower when loading the program, but ran fine. Well now the program is >not running again. I keep getting this error: > >Could not find Registry key Drivers\640x480 (480)_8bpa_0Hz> > >I have attempted to lower the resolution and refresh rates with no >avail. I also attempted to run older versions of Dmdx, again to no >avail. Does anybody have any other recourse we can follow through, as >I feel the only explanation left is that this computer just does not >like Dmdx! Thank you. Certainly there are some machines that just plain can't handle DMDX and they're usually old machines. However that message means you need to time that video mode, if it was timed in the past then something has damaged the registry. Perhaps the hard disk is failing and you need to check it's integrity. Perhaps you just need to reformat it and install 98 from scratch and see if it gets better. ---------------------------- How should I approach this problem if, Windows 98 and the hard drive have been cleared of the problem? We have also attempted uninstall and reinstall DMDX. Thank you. Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 3 14:27:34 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h13LRRMS029635 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:27:27 -0700 Received: from KIFXP (128.196.98.29) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.5.033) id 3E3E647800018341 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:19:02 -0700 From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Dmdx freezes II Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c2cbc9$ddfaee70$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <69d66c69f9f6.69f9f669d66c@montclair.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arturo Kiyama Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:06 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes II At 01:37 PM 1/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I had a problem with Dmdx and a Pent II, Windows 95, 64 RAM, ATI 3D >PRO. Well the problem was deduced to be Windows, so we upgraded to >Widnows 98. The problem persisted so then we assumed it was the >display drivers (since Dmdx is running on two other computers that were >exactly the same except for the monitor and display drivers). Once the >display drivers were upgraded dmdx appeared to work fine, albeit a bit >slower when loading the program, but ran fine. Well now the program is >not running again. I keep getting this error: > >Could not find Registry key Drivers\640x480 (480)_8bpa_0Hz> > >I have attempted to lower the resolution and refresh rates with no >avail. I also attempted to run older versions of Dmdx, again to no >avail. Does anybody have any other recourse we can follow through, as >I feel the only explanation left is that this computer just does not >like Dmdx! Thank you. This error message means that you have not succeeded in getting TimeDX to store the refresh rate for this particular video mode in the registry. Are you sure that you have done this correctly? --k.i.f. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 3 15:04:54 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h13M4qMS029795 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:04:52 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.5.033) id 3E3E64780001A929 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:56:27 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203145604.00b13288@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:56:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes II In-Reply-To: <69d66c69f9f6.69f9f669d66c@montclair.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:06 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >How should I approach this problem if, Windows 98 and the hard drive >have been cleared of the problem? We have also attempted uninstall and >reinstall DMDX. Thank you. Try another video card. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 3 15:17:33 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h13M43MS029768 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:04:03 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.5.033) id 3E3E64780001A873 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:55:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203145412.00b13288@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:55:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX to a network In-Reply-To: <69f1e8699553.69955369f1e8@montclair.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:52 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I looked around and could not find a tutorial or information of DMDX >being able to have data written/saved on the network, instead of the >hard drive/floppy. Is this possible with the program? And how? Thank >you. Create a network drive and browse DMDX to it and use that for tiem files. But you can't have multiple machines running the same item file on the same server, DMDX doesn't create unique temporary file names. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 5 09:27:34 2003 Received: from esgbox (esgbox.ub.es [161.116.1.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h15GQSMS032297 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:26:39 -0700 Received: from psi.ub.es ([161.116.98.10]) by esgbox.ub.es (PMDF V5.2-32 #43158) with ESMTP id <0H9U002D1IZ4VA@esgbox.ub.es> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:23:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from PSI-S/SpoolDir by psi.ub.es (Mercury 1.43); Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:02:53 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by PSI-S (Mercury 1.43); Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:02:29 +0100 Received: from psi.ub.es (161.116.218.22) by psi.ub.es (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:02:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:24:33 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?agn=E8s=20ca=F1o?= Subject: [DMDX] dmdx To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <3E413AC1.AC157635@psi.ub.es> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I have a problem. I want to prepare an experiment in which I need to record RTs from two response modalities, the first response it should be recorded by keyboard response, and the second and the third responses by voicekey. My experiment is with images. Thanks you From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 5 10:34:08 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h15HHPMS032427 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:17:25 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.5.033) id 3E411F2C0000880E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:08:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030205100841.00b132c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:08:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: dmdx In-Reply-To: <3E413AC1.AC157635@psi.ub.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:24 PM 2/5/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, >I have a problem. I want to prepare an experiment in which I need to >record RTs from two response modalities, the first response it should be >recorded by keyboard response, and the second and the third responses by >voicekey. My experiment is with images. You will have to use three items. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 7 00:37:41 2003 Received: from nenu.edu.cn (mail.nenu.edu.cn [202.198.129.55]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h177aAMS002243 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:36:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200302070736.h177aAMS002243@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Received: (eyou send program); Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:25:31 +0800 Received: from 218.21.209.51 by mail.nenu.edu.cn with HTTP; Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:25:31 +0800 From: "wanggm" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:25:31 +0800 Subject: [DMDX] Why time is longer? Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I'm a Post grauduat student in China. When I use DMDX3.0 to write a psychological experimental procedure, I meet a problem, please help me. This is a 2-back experiment, I must display 7-10 digitals or Chinese characters continuesly, subjects have to press J or K continuesly to judge whether the forth digitals or chinese characters is the same to first one, and whether the fifth one is the same to the second one and so on. The problem is: If I display the 7-10 digitals or Chinese characters in only one item, I can't acquire 4-7 pieces of reaction time. I have try the keyword, but It gives me the accumulated reaction time, not each one. So I display 7-10 digitals or Chinese characters in 7-10 items, and I get 7-10 pieces of reaction time. But I still have two problem: (1) I only need 4-7 pieces of reaction time, the first 1-3 pieces of reaction time is not what I want, how to remove it without any influence? (2) I want to display each digital or Chinese character for 300 milliseconds, every digital or Chinese character has 400 or 800 interval of black screen, and subjects have to response during 300+400 or 300+800 milliseconds. But I found the interval of each digital or Chinese character is not 400 milliseconds, although I set the , the interval time is apparently longer than 400 or 800 milliseconds. Why it is longer? In addition, I set the keyword and check the .azk file, I found the time between two clockon is not 700 or 1100 milliseconds, It's longer also although I set the . I believe that DMDX is excerlent, maybe I do the wrong thing, maybe I use the or inappropriatly, But I didn't know why it is longer. So I paste my item file to you, Please tell me the answer. Thank you! Wang, G.M. China --------------------------------------------------------------- $ 0 "Press SpaceBar to Start"; 250/; $ ^10 "+"/ * "9"//; ^11 * "3"//; ^12 * "7"//; -13 * "5"//; +14 * "3"//; +15 * "7"//; -16 * "8"//; ^20 "+"/ * "5"//; ^21 * "4"//; ^22 * "9"//; -23 * "0"//; +24 * "4"//; +25 * "9"//; -26 * "3"//; -27 * "1"//; ^30 "+"/ * "»Æ"//; ^31 * "ɼ"//; ^32 * "Ñî"//; +33 * "ÂÌ"//; -34 * "ɼ"//; +35 * "Çà"//; -36 * "Ѽ"//; -37 * "ɼ"//; -38 * "Çà"//; ^40 "+"/ "Âí"//; ^41 * "ÍÃ"//; ^42 * "°Ø"//; -43 * "Âí"//; -44 * "è"//; +45 * "Ѽ"//; -46 * "ÌÒ"//; -47 * "¼¦"//; -48 * "ÌÒ"//; -49 * "ËÉ"//; $ 0 "The End! Thank You!"; $ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 7 18:49:06 2003 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h181m3MS003564 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:48:03 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id h181dTsv006878; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:39:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030207183024.00b128e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 18:39:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why time is longer? In-Reply-To: <200302070736.h177aAMS002243@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:25 PM 2/7/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, > I'm a Post grauduat student in China. When I use DMDX3.0 to write a >psychological experimental procedure, I meet a problem, please help me. >... >subjects have to response during 300+400 or 300+800 milliseconds. But I >found the >interval of each digital or Chinese character is not 400 milliseconds, >although I >set the , is not possible, it means schedule the items as rapidly as possible (and therefore inaccurately). I'll have to update the docs I guess. > the interval time is apparently longer than 400 or 800 >milliseconds. Why it is longer? In addition, I set the keyword and >check If you had an infinitely fast computer you could have a D of 0, otherwise your machine has take some time to prepare the next item. Look at the Preparation times in the errors you might encounter: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxherrors.htm >the .azk file, I found the time between two clockon is not 700 or 1100 >milliseconds, It's longer also although I set the . I believe that >DMDX is >excerlent, maybe I do the wrong thing, maybe I use the or >inappropriatly, But I didn't know why it is longer. So I paste my item file to >you, Please tell me the answer. Thank you! Pick some positive value of D that is longer than the sum of the longest preparation times in your item file. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's a fine line between courage and foolishness. Too bad it's not a fence. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Feb 8 23:16:53 2003 Received: from nenu.edu.cn (mail.nenu.edu.cn [202.198.129.55]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h1968QMS004846 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:08:28 -0700 Message-Id: <200302090608.h1968QMS004846@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Received: (eyou send program); Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:57:28 +0800 Received: from 218.21.210.44 by mail.nenu.edu.cn with HTTP; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:57:28 +0800 From: "wanggm" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:57:28 +0800 Subject: [DMDX] Why time is longer so much? Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello Mr Jforster, I have read through your letter and the "the errors you might encounter" in DMDX help file, I find that the preparation time is really a problem to be noticed. After a lot of thinking, I set (100 milliseconds in my computer, which is enough time of preparation). The following is my first modified item file: $ 0 "Press SpaceBar to Start"; 250/; $ ^10 "+"/ * "9"//; ^11 * "3"//; ^12 * "7"//; -13 * "5"//; +14 * "3"//; +15 * "7"//; -16 * "8"//; ^30 "+"/ * "»Æ"//; ^31 * "ɼ"//; ^32 * "Ñî"//; +33 * "ÂÌ"//; -34 * "ɼ"//; +35 * "Çà"//; -36 * "Ѽ"//; -37 * "ɼ"//; -38 * "Çà"//; $ 0 "The End! Thank You!"; $ A typical result maybe like this: ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 02/09/2003 13:03:47 on PSY-ZM, refresh 16.41ms Item RT COT 10 700.00 0.00 11 700.00 1444.06 12 700.00 2888.13 13 331.69 4332.20 14 338.48 5759.85 15 523.65 7187.50 16 437.17 8631.57 30 1100.00 12077.63 31 1100.00 13915.53 32 1100.00 15753.43 33 545.04 17591.33 34 662.94 19429.24 35 771.71 21250.72 36 829.27 23072.22 37 578.59 24910.11 38 -707.82 26731.61 It is very strange that the time between two clockon is much longer than the time that I want(300+400+6*16.41=800). Why???Why it's so long??? After a lot of thinking, I think the problem is the keyword. So I modify my item file once again like follow, just remove the and . $ 0 "Press SpaceBar to Start"; 250/; $ ^10 "+"/ * "9"/; ^11 * "3"/; ^12 * "7"/; -13 * "5"/; +14 * "3"/; +15 * "7"/; -16 * "8"/; ^30 "+"/ * "»Æ"/; ^31 * "ɼ"/; ^32 * "Ñî"/; -33 * "ÂÌ"/; +34 * "ɼ"/; -35 * "Çà"/; -36 * "Ѽ"/; +37 * "ɼ"/; +38 * "Çà"/; $ 0 "The End! Thank You!"; $ And I get the following result: ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 02/09/2003 13:11:27 on PSY-ZM, refresh 16.41ms Item RT COT 10 700.00 0.00 11 700.00 1411.25 12 700.00 2822.49 13 508.32 4233.74 14 656.47 5448.09 15 -700.00 6810.08 16 518.41 8237.73 30 1100.00 11470.47 31 1100.00 13291.96 32 1100.00 15113.45 33 494.57 16934.94 34 580.71 18149.27 35 918.68 19429.23 36 859.80 21070.22 37 785.67 22629.15 38 -745.41 24138.85 It's so strange that the time between two clockon is about 1400 milliseconds too. Why? And if we look at the results carefully, we can find that the time between two clockon is varying when the participant presses the positive or negative key. But this kind of thing DIDN'T happen in last item file. Why??? I think the only different thing between the two item file is the second item file has no after each digital or Chinese character display. That is or is longer than the time that the whole item will be displayed. So I try to set the , the item file is as follow: $ 0 "Press SpaceBar to Start"; 250/; $ ^10 "+"/ * "9"/; ^11 * "3"/; ^12 * "7"/; -13 * "5"/; +14 * "3"/; +15 * "7"/; -16 * "8"/; ^30 "+"/ * "»Æ"/; ^31 * "ɼ"/; ^32 * "Ñî"/; +33 * "ÂÌ"/; -34 * "ɼ"/; +35 * "Çà"/; -36 * "Ѽ"/; -37 * "ɼ"/; -38 * "Çà"/; $ 0 "The End! Thank You!"; $ But I get the following results: ********************************************************************** Subject 5, 02/09/2003 13:34:29 on PSY-ZM, refresh 16.41ms Item RT COT 30 300.00 0.00 31 300.00 1033.82 32 300.00 2051.23 33 -300.00 3068.64 34 -300.00 4086.05 35 -300.00 5119.87 36 -300.00 6153.69 37 -300.00 7171.10 38 -300.00 8204.91 10 300.00 11240.73 11 300.00 12258.14 12 300.00 13291.96 13 -300.00 14309.37 14 -300.00 15326.78 15 -300.00 16344.19 16 -300.00 17378.01 Why the time between two clockon is almost 1000 milliseconds??? Didn't it should be 300+6*16.41=400ms??? In addition, paticipants CAN'T response correctl in only 300 milliseconds, I want participants have more 400 or 800 milliseconds to response. How can I do this??? I'm so confused, so I write this long letter to you, please help me. Thank You! Wang, G.M. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 9 18:09:50 2003 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h1A15xMS005813 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:05:59 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-95.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.95]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id h1A0vKsv004896 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:57:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030209174734.00b128b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:57:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why time is longer so much? In-Reply-To: <200302090608.h1968QMS004846@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You've got in the parameter line for clear feedback, feedback has a delay before it's displayed and a duration. You probably want for no feedback. At 01:57 PM 2/9/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Hello Mr Jforster, > > I have read through your letter and the "the errors you might > encounter" in >DMDX help file, I find that the preparation time is really a problem to be >noticed. After a lot of thinking, I set (100 milliseconds in my >computer, >which is enough time of preparation). The following is my first modified item >file: > > 800,600,600,16,0> 100> > You probably also want to read the timing notes if you haven't already, you're going to have at least one extra tick on your ISI for the last blank frame. Plus using is not exactly recommended for exact timing as it divides the time you wanted by the refresh rate, who knows what the exact frame duration will be. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's a fine line between courage and foolishness. Too bad it's not a fence. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 10 00:12:58 2003 Received: from nenu.edu.cn (mail.nenu.edu.cn [202.198.129.55]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h1A7BeMS006085 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:11:42 -0700 Message-Id: <200302100711.h1A7BeMS006085@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Received: (eyou send program); Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:00:50 +0800 Received: from 218.21.206.35 by mail.nenu.edu.cn with HTTP; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:00:50 +0800 From: "wanggm" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:00:50 +0800 Subject: [DMDX] Re:Re: Why time is longer so much? Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello Mr Jonathan, I read through your letter carefully and changed the with the in my item file according to your advice, then my problem was solved. The time between two clockon almost 700+delay or 1