From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 6 14:23:48 2005 Received: from expredir4.cites.uiuc.edu (expredir4.cites.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.187]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j06LLdFJ023440 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:21:39 -0700 Received: from expms1.cites.uiuc.edu (expms1.cites.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.205]) by expredir4.cites.uiuc.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06LLdC4006822; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:21:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from expms1.cites.uiuc.edu (localhost.cites.uiuc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by expms1.cites.uiuc.edu (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AXQ13018; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:21:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.174.5.212 by expms1.cites.uiuc.edu (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with HTTP/1.1; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:21:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:21:38 -0600 From: Subject: [DMDX] Missing Item Number To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list dear DMDXers, I am having the same 'Missing Item Number' problem that I have seen referred to in the archives involving the $. I have just about exhausted all avenues and so now turn to the list for help. The program is aborted where the second $ occurs closing the first bunch of non-scrambled items (experiment directions) and just before the first real experimental item. The 'JOB ABORTED' message on the DMDX screen (not diagnostics) seems to refer to a seemingly arbitrary place earlier in the file. I'd appreciate any help I can get. thanks, Jerry From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 6 16:38:05 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j06NbOFJ024172 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:37:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A06A51170 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:37:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C70A47A74 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:37:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050106163653.00ba4a80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:37:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Missing Item Number In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You will have to post your item file (I hope it's not large) as your problem could be anything at this stage. At 03:21 PM 1/6/2005 -0600, you wrote: >dear DMDXers, > >I am having the same 'Missing Item Number' problem that I >have seen referred to in the archives involving the $. I >have just about exhausted all avenues and so now turn to the >list for help. > >The program is aborted where the second $ occurs closing the >first bunch of non-scrambled items (experiment directions) >and just before the first real experimental item. > >The 'JOB ABORTED' message on the DMDX screen (not >diagnostics) seems to refer to a seemingly arbitrary place >earlier in the file. > >I'd appreciate any help I can get. > >thanks, > >Jerry >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Jargon is used as a means of succeeding by not simplifying. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jan 9 20:32:11 2005 Received: from dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (root@dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.8.134]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0A3TrFJ004174 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:29:53 -0700 Received: from dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23325 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:29:51 +0800 (HKT) Received: from psyhclabpc09 ([137.189.166.65]) by dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23317 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:29:50 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <003401c4f6c5$95ef61a0$41a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> From: "Wong Wing Kuen" To: Subject: [DMDX] Duration measurement of the vocal input Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:36:05 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C4F708.91F702E0" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C4F708.91F702E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I am currently employing the DMDX program to conduct a research about = speech production. As the duration of the subjects' naming response is = one of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how to obtain this = data with the DMDX program, many thanks for your attention. Regards, Andus Wong ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C4F708.91F702E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,
 
I am currently employing the DMDX program to conduct = a=20 research about speech production. As the duration of the subjects' = naming=20 response is one of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how = to obtain=20 this data with the DMDX program, many thanks for your = attention.
 
Regards,
Andus Wong
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C4F708.91F702E0-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jan 9 22:05:54 2005 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0A54XFJ004472 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:04:33 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (ppp393.broadband01.tus.dakotacom.net [69.9.25.137]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j0A54Xa8013353 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:04:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050109220339.00ba45a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:04:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Duration measurement of the vocal input In-Reply-To: <003401c4f6c5$95ef61a0$41a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:36 AM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am currently employing the DMDX program to conduct a research about >speech production. As the duration of the subjects' naming response is one >of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how to obtain this data with >the DMDX program, many thanks for your attention. You can't, all you can get is onset. You'll have to use RecordVocal and use some later analysis software to determine duration. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ As long as the answer is right, who cares if the question is wrong? From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 10 19:11:27 2005 Received: from dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (root@dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.8.134]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0B2ANFJ008955 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:10:24 -0700 Received: from dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24790 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:10:22 +0800 (HKT) Received: from psyhclabpc09 ([137.189.166.65]) by dont.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24755 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:10:16 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <000701c4f783$a5f52760$41a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> From: "Wong Wing Kuen" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Duration Measurement of the Vocal Input Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:37:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4F74B.C463CFE0" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4F74B.C463CFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Prof. J. Forster, Thanks for your quick response to my previous question. After reading = your reply, I tried to use the "RecordVocal" function to run a DMDX file in = two different pc computers (one with Windows98 and the other one with = WindowsXP OS) and did some sound file analysing afterward. To my surprise, I found = the WAV files that I got from the two computers were different in their duration. The WAV files that I got from the pc working with Win98 were always 1500ms in duration (this was also the time-out time that I had = preset in the parameter line) while those that I got from the pc with WinXP = varied in their duration (all within 1500ms) (even though the same DMDX program = was run in the two computers). Then I looked up the waveform of the sound = files from the pc with WinXP and found that the files were always ended = recording when the waveform came to be static after the voice onset. It seems like = the pc working with WinXP was employing a criteria which is different from = the one used by Win98 system to terminate the voice input recording process. = I am not sure if this difference was due to the differences between two operating systems or some other basic settings in the two computers. = That would be great if you could tell me some more about how to default the = way that the program would terminate the voice recording and if there is any difference between different operating systems on this issue. Many = thanks! Regards, Andus At 11:36 AM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am currently employing the DMDX program to conduct a research about=20 >speech production. As the duration of the subjects' naming response is = one=20 >of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how to obtain this data = with=20 >the DMDX program, many thanks for your attention. You can't, all you can get is onset. You'll have to use RecordVocal = and=20 use some later analysis software to determine duration. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ As long as the answer is right, who cares if the question is wrong? ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4F74B.C463CFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Prof. J.=20 Forster,

Thanks for your quick response to my previous question. = After=20 reading your
reply, I tried to use the "RecordVocal" function to run = a DMDX=20 file in two
different pc computers (one with Windows98 and the other = one with=20 WindowsXP
OS) and did some sound file analysing afterward. To my = surprise, I=20 found the
WAV files that I got from the two computers were different = in=20 their
duration. The WAV files that I got from the pc working with = Win98=20 were
always 1500ms in duration (this was also the time-out time that = I had=20 preset
in the parameter line) while those that I got from the pc with = WinXP=20 varied
in their duration (all within 1500ms) (even though the same = DMDX=20 program was
run in the two computers). Then I looked up the waveform = of the=20 sound files
from the pc with WinXP and found that the files were = always ended=20 recording
when the waveform came to be static after the voice onset. = It seems=20 like the
pc working with WinXP was employing a criteria which is = different=20 from the
one used by Win98 system to terminate the voice input = recording=20 process. I
am not sure if this difference was due to the differences = between=20 two
operating systems or some other basic settings in the two = computers.=20 That
would be great if you could tell me some more about how to = default the=20 way
that the program would terminate the voice recording and if there = is=20 any
difference between different operating systems on this issue. = Many=20 thanks!

Regards,
Andus

 

At 11:36 AM 1/10/2005 +0800, you=20 wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>I am currently employing the DMDX = program=20 to conduct a research about
>speech production. As the duration = of the=20 subjects' naming response is one
>of the DVs in this study, I = would like=20 to ask how to obtain this data with
>the DMDX program, many = thanks for=20 your attention.

   You can't, all you can get is = onset. =20 You'll have to use RecordVocal and
use some later analysis software = to=20 determine=20 duration.

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  -jonathan=20 (j.c.f.)           = ;            =     =20 \=20 /
           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;=20 X
     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML = MAIL  /=20 \

As long as the answer is right, who cares if the question is=20 wrong?
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4F74B.C463CFE0-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 11 14:10:45 2005 Received: from expredir1.cites.uiuc.edu (expredir1.cites.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.184]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0BL9sFJ013345 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:09:54 -0700 Received: from EALC-PC22.uiuc.edu (flb3-026.lang.uiuc.edu [128.174.233.26]) by expredir1.cites.uiuc.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0BL9mAL012791 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:09:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20050111144208.03a79cd0@express.cites.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:09:48 -0600 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Jerry Packard Subject: [DMDX] Re: Missing Item Number - solved! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDXers, With the kind help of Jonathan and Ken, the 'Missing Item Number' problem is solved! The problem arose from my having to run an algorithm to convert an older DMDX file containing Chinese characters from a version that uses 'Big-5' and 'GB' Chinese character encoding to Unicode Chinese character encoding. That algorithm successfully changed the Chinese character encoding, but it made unpredictable changes to things other than the Chinese character encoding. Most notably, the algorithm inserted line breaks/carriage returns and non-printing white spaces within the parameter line and within the quotes that designate things to be displayed on screen. This caused the Item Number and the $ to interact in strange fashion. Once the problem was pointed out, I had to go in and find all carriage returns within the parameter line, quotes etc. and remove them manually. This wasn't so bad; what was hard was identifying the problem in the first place, because the diagnostics etc. pointed in the direction of Missing Item Number and the $ scrambling operator (which I'm sure were intimately involved at some level!). thanks to Ken and Jonathan! Jerry At 03:21 PM 1/6/2005, you wrote: >dear DMDXers, > >I am having the same 'Missing Item Number' problem that I >have seen referred to in the archives involving the $. I >have just about exhausted all avenues and so now turn to the >list for help. > >The program is aborted where the second $ occurs closing the >first bunch of non-scrambled items (experiment directions) >and just before the first real experimental item. > >The 'JOB ABORTED' message on the DMDX screen (not >diagnostics) seems to refer to a seemingly arbitrary place >earlier in the file. > >I'd appreciate any help I can get. > >thanks, > >Jerry >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 11 15:19:39 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0BLuQFJ013664 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:56:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997B0A547B9 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:56:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19558A54485 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:56:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050111145549.00ba4b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:56:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Duration Measurement of the Vocal Input In-Reply-To: <000701c4f783$a5f52760$41a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_526894312==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_526894312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:37 PM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Dear Prof. J. Forster, > >Thanks for your quick response to my previous question. After reading your >reply, I tried to use the "RecordVocal" function to run a DMDX file in two >different pc computers (one with Windows98 and the other one with WindowsXP >OS) and did some sound file analysing afterward. To my surprise, I found the >WAV files that I got from the two computers were different in their >duration. The WAV files that I got from the pc working with Win98 were >always 1500ms in duration (this was also the time-out time that I had preset >in the parameter line) while those that I got from the pc with WinXP varied >in their duration (all within 1500ms) (even though the same DMDX program was >run in the two computers). Then I looked up the waveform of the sound files >from the pc with WinXP and found that the files were always ended recording >when the waveform came to be static after the voice onset. It seems like the >pc working with WinXP was employing a criteria which is different from the >one used by Win98 system to terminate the voice input recording process. I >am not sure if this difference was due to the differences between two >operating systems or some other basic settings in the two computers. That >would be great if you could tell me some more about how to default the way >that the program would terminate the voice recording and if there is any >difference between different operating systems on this issue. Many thanks! Read up all the RecordVocal threads in the list. Basically you want and not . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Jargon is used as a means of succeeding by not simplifying. --=====================_526894312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:37 PM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote:

Dear Prof. J. Forster,

Thanks for your quick response to my previous question. After reading your
reply, I tried to use the "RecordVocal" function to run a DMDX file in two
different pc computers (one with Windows98 and the other one with WindowsXP
OS) and did some sound file analysing afterward. To my surprise, I found the
WAV files that I got from the two computers were different in their
duration. The WAV files that I got from the pc working with Win98 were
always 1500ms in duration (this was also the time-out time that I had preset
in the parameter line) while those that I got from the pc with WinXP varied
in their duration (all within 1500ms) (even though the same DMDX program was
run in the two computers). Then I looked up the waveform of the sound files
from the pc with WinXP and found that the files were always ended recording
when the waveform came to be static after the voice onset. It seems like the
pc working with WinXP was employing a criteria which is different from the
one used by Win98 system to terminate the voice input recording process. I
am not sure if this difference was due to the differences between two
operating systems or some other basic settings in the two computers. That
would be great if you could tell me some more about how to default the way
that the program would terminate the voice recording and if there is any
difference between different operating systems on this issue. Many thanks!

  Read up all the RecordVocal threads in the list.  Basically you want <RecordVocal 1500> and not <RecordVocal>.


                                               /"\
 -jonathan (j.c.f.)                            \ /
                                                X
    ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL  / \

  Jargon is used as a means of succeeding by not simplifying.

--=====================_526894312==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 26 17:16:02 2005 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0R0DvFJ020898 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:13:57 -0700 Received: from SANTOROMAURI@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id h.1a7.300762ec (25098) for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:13:50 -0500 (EST) From: SANTOROMAURI@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:13:49 EST Subject: [DMDX] problem To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d_boundary" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --part1_1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, ANALYZE records ERs as 0.0 or 100.0. What can I do to solve the problem?=20 Below is the first page of my item file. < n 136 > =20 ! this is an example; $00 "This is a grammaticality judgment task.", "Press RIGHT-SHIFT KEY if the sentence is correct.", "Press LEFT-SHIFT KEY if it is incorrect.", "Respond as quickly & accurately as you can.", "Now Press SPACEBAR to begin practice."; +225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Quando Antonio va al bar, incontra spesso il suo vecchio= =20 amico Luigi."; +225 < % 60>"*"/ * "L'italiano, molti studenti lo studiano."; -225 < % 60>"*"/ * " Che bella macchina! Marcello le ha comprata ieri."; +225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria non ha studiato abbastanza, ha ricevuto u= n=20 brutto voto."; -225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Franco va in vacanza, invita spesso alla sua=20 amica."; -225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quel bambino somiglia davvero suo padre."; +225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Mario, sua mamma non gli ha creduto."; -225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria lavora molto, il suo manager la ha=20 consigliato di riposarsi."; +225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Marco =E8 un ragazzo modello. Telefona a sua madre ogni= =20 giorno."; -225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Luisa va al ristorante, voglio sempre mangiare l= a=20 pasta."; 00 "End of practice. Press SPACEBAR to begin experiment.";$ $ +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Carlo torna a casa, guarda sempre la=20 televisione."; +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Gli italiani bevono il vino a pranzo."; -225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando sar=E0 compleanno di Marco andremo tutti a casa=20 suo."; -225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Le lasagne, Antonio non li ha mangiate."; +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lo studente non =E8 andato a scuola perch=E9 non aveva f= atto=20 i compiti."; -225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Carla, il direttore desidera vederle subito."; -225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Franco ha detto che aspetta per il suo amico davanti al=20 bar."; +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Il vino bianco, il signor Rossi preferisce berlo=20 freddo.";$ -21 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Mario lavora, la sua ragazza lo vuole telefonare=20 spesso."; +52 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lucio prende sempre la macchina per andare=20 all'universit=E0."; +49 <% 60> "*"/ * "Antonio e Luisa si sono conosciuti durante una vacanza in= =20 montagna."; -30 <% 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Mario era bravo con lei, Luisa lo ha fatto un=20 regalo."; -97 <% 60> "*"/ * "A Paolo piacciono andare in discoteca."; Thanks for your help. Maurizio Santoro --part1_1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,
ANALYZE records ERs as 0.0 or 100.0. What can I do to solve the problem? Bel= ow is the first page of my item file.
< n 136 > <s 5>  <azk> <cr> <nfb> <ntl= >  
! this is an example;
$00 <ln -2 > "This is a grammaticality judgment task.",
       <ln -1> "Press RIGHT-SHIFT KEY i= f the sentence is correct.",
            &nbs= p;          "Press LEFT-SHIFT K= EY if it is incorrect.",
       <ln 1> "Respond as quickly &= accurately as you can.",
           <ln 2> "N= ow Press SPACEBAR to begin practice.";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Quando Antonio va al bar, incontra spesso il suo v= ecchio amico Luigi.";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "L'italiano, molti studenti lo studiano.";
-225 < % 60>"*"/ * " Che bella macchina! Marcello le ha comprata ieri.= ";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria non ha studiato abbastanza, ha rice= vuto un brutto voto.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Franco va in vacanza, invita spesso alla s= ua amica.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quel bambino somiglia davvero suo padre.";
+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Mario, sua mamma non gli ha creduto.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria lavora molto, il suo manager la ha= consigliato di riposarsi.";
+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Marco =E8 un ragazzo modello. Telefona a sua madr= e ogni giorno.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Luisa va al ristorante, voglio sempre mang= iare la pasta.";
00 "End of practice. Press SPACEBAR to begin experiment.";$
$ +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Carlo torna a casa, guarda sempre la tele= visione.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Gli italiani bevono il vino a pranzo.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando sar=E0 compleanno di Marco andremo tutti a=20= casa suo.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Le lasagne, Antonio non li ha mangiate.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lo studente non =E8 andato a scuola perch=E9 non a= veva fatto i compiti.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Carla, il direttore desidera vederle subito.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Franco ha detto che aspetta per il suo amico davan= ti al bar.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Il vino bianco, il signor Rossi preferisce berlo f= reddo.";$
-21 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Mario lavora, la sua ragazza lo vuole telefo= nare spesso.";
+52 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lucio prende sempre la macchina per andare all'univ= ersit=E0.";
+49 <% 60> "*"/ * "Antonio e Luisa si sono conosciuti durante una vaca= nza in montagna.";
-30 <% 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Mario era bravo con lei, Luisa lo ha fatto= un regalo.";
-97 <% 60> "*"/ * "A Paolo piacciono andare in discoteca.";

Thanks for your help.

Maurizio Santoro --part1_1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d_boundary-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 26 20:58:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0R3vLFJ021441 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:57:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D35A6A0D2 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:57:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB103A69BBE for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:57:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050126204859.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:52:47 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem In-Reply-To: <1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_293765796==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_293765796==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unless I'm mistaken stores all RTs at 0 or 1, if you don't want=20 this then that's the likely source of your problem. Otherwise your Analyze= =20 specification .SPC file is likely to be the culprit. At 07:13 PM 1/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, >ANALYZE records ERs as 0.0 or 100.0. What can I do to solve the problem?=20 >Below is the first page of my item file. >< n 136 > >! this is an example; >$00 "This is a grammaticality judgment task.", > "Press RIGHT-SHIFT KEY if the sentence is correct.", > "Press LEFT-SHIFT KEY if it is incorrect.", > "Respond as quickly & accurately as you can.", > "Now Press SPACEBAR to begin practice."; >+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Quando Antonio va al bar, incontra spesso il suo=20 >vecchio amico Luigi."; >+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "L'italiano, molti studenti lo studiano."; >-225 < % 60>"*"/ * " Che bella macchina! Marcello le ha comprata ieri."; >+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria non ha studiato abbastanza, ha ricevuto= =20 >un brutto voto."; >-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Franco va in vacanza, invita spesso alla sua=20 >amica."; >-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quel bambino somiglia davvero suo padre."; >+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Mario, sua mamma non gli ha creduto."; >-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria lavora molto, il suo manager la ha=20 >consigliato di riposarsi."; >+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Marco =E8 un ragazzo modello. Telefona a sua madre= ogni=20 >giorno."; >-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Luisa va al ristorante, voglio sempre mangiare= =20 >la pasta."; >00 "End of practice. Press SPACEBAR to begin experiment.";$ >$ +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Carlo torna a casa, guarda sempre la=20 >televisione."; >+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Gli italiani bevono il vino a pranzo."; >-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando sar=E0 compleanno di Marco andremo tutti a casa= =20 >suo."; >-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Le lasagne, Antonio non li ha mangiate."; >+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lo studente non =E8 andato a scuola perch=E9 non aveva= =20 >fatto i compiti."; >-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Carla, il direttore desidera vederle subito."; >-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Franco ha detto che aspetta per il suo amico davanti=20 >al bar."; >+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Il vino bianco, il signor Rossi preferisce berlo=20 >freddo.";$ >-21 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Mario lavora, la sua ragazza lo vuole telefonare= =20 >spesso."; >+52 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lucio prende sempre la macchina per andare=20 >all'universit=E0."; >+49 <% 60> "*"/ * "Antonio e Luisa si sono conosciuti durante una vacanza= =20 >in montagna."; >-30 <% 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Mario era bravo con lei, Luisa lo ha fatto un= =20 >regalo."; >-97 <% 60> "*"/ * "A Paolo piacciono andare in discoteca."; > >Thanks for your help. > >Maurizio Santoro /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Weinder's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. --=====================_293765796==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  Unless I'm mistaken <ntl> stores all RTs at 0 or 1, if you don't want this then that's the likely source of your problem.  Otherwise your Analyze specification .SPC file is likely to be the culprit.

At 07:13 PM 1/26/2005 -0500, you wrote:
Hi all,
ANALYZE records ERs as 0.0 or 100.0. What can I do to solve the problem? Below is the first page of my item file.
< n 136 > <s 5>  <azk> <cr> <nfb> <ntl>  
! this is an example;
$00 <ln -2 > "This is a grammaticality judgment task.",
       <ln -1> "Press RIGHT-SHIFT KEY if the sentence is correct.",
            &nbs= p;          "Press LEFT-SHIFT KEY if it is incorrect.",
       <ln 1> "Respond as quickly & accurately as you can.",
           <ln 2> "Now Press SPACEBAR to begin practice.";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Quando Antonio va al bar, incontra spesso il suo vecchio amico Luigi.";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "L'italiano, molti studenti lo studiano.";
-225 < % 60>"*"/ * " Che bella macchina! Marcello le ha comprata ieri.";
+225 < % 60>"*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria non ha studiato abbastanza, ha ricevuto un brutto voto.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Franco va in vacanza, invita spesso alla sua amica.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quel bambino somiglia davvero suo padre.";
+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Mario, sua mamma non gli ha creduto.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Maria lavora molto, il suo manager la ha consigliato di riposarsi.";
+225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Marco =E8 un ragazzo modello. Telefona a sua madre ogni giorno.";
-225 < % 60> "*"/ * "Quando Luisa va al ristorante, voglio sempre mangiare la pasta.";
00 "End of practice. Press SPACEBAR to begin experiment.";$
$ +225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Carlo torna a casa, guarda sempre la televisione.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Gli italiani bevono il vino a pranzo.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando sar=E0 compleanno di Marco andremo tutti a casa suo.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Le lasagne, Antonio non li ha mangiate.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lo studente non =E8 andato a scuola perch=E9 non aveva fatto i compiti.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Carla, il direttore desidera vederle subito.";
-225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Franco ha detto che aspetta per il suo amico davanti al bar.";
+225 <% 60> "*"/ * "Il vino bianco, il signor Rossi preferisce berlo freddo.";$
-21 <% 60> "*"/ * "Quando Mario lavora, la sua ragazza lo vuole telefonare spesso.";
+52 <% 60> "*"/ * "Lucio prende sempre la macchina per andare all'universit=E0.";
+49 <% 60> "*"/ * "Antonio e Luisa si sono conosciuti durante una vacanza in montagna.";
-30 <% 60> "*"/ * "Poich=E9 Mario era bravo con lei, Luisa lo ha fatto un regalo.";
-97 <% 60> "*"/ * "A Paolo piacciono andare in discoteca.";

Thanks for your help.

Maurizio Santoro

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--=====================_293765796==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 26 22:56:39 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0R5uCFJ021772; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:56:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491B1A6A9FE; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:56:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD153A6965A; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:56:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050126225010.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:56:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050126204859.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <1a7.300762ec.2f298c3d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:52 PM 1/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: > Unless I'm mistaken stores all RTs at 0 or 1, Duh, -1 or 1. The default Analyze cutoffs are going to make a complete mess of that because they're assuming RTs are in milliseconds, not the values true or false. was introduced back in the bad old 16 bit days when an RT of 32 seconds was the longest possible RT and someone wanted a longer RT than that. These days with the limit being a large part of a month is largely useless, surprises me how many people try to use it. If you want really long RTs set the time limit to something really big, like . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Weinder's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 27 06:41:30 2005 Received: from mailhub1.shef.ac.uk (mailhub1.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.9]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0RDLYFJ022539 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:21:34 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by mailhub1.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu9aV-0003Y6-1N for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:31 +0000 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1Cu9aU-0001fu-Tj for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:30 +0000 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:30 +0000 Message-ID: <1106832090.41f8eadad4dff@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:30 +0000 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX mailing list Subject: [DMDX] problem with .avi files MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, I'm trying to run an experiment using .jpg pictures and .avi movies. I got it running on my PC with DMDX 3.0.2.5 with no problems whatsoever. Yesterday I tried to get the same script to run on my laptop. It didn't work, no .jpg or .avi files would show. Now I have DMDX 3.1.2.1 on the laptop and the .jpg files work, but I get the following message as soon as an .avi file comes up: "failed to create sample. VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (88760250) The resource specified is no longer needed" What do I do now? I've tried downloading DMDX 3.0.4.3 (a suggestion from the mailing list archive), but I get 3.1.2.1 instead. Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 27 08:27:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0RFQpFJ022743 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:26:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E86A6B17D for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD0BA6B143 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:26:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050127082106.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:26:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem with .avi files In-Reply-To: <1106832090.41f8eadad4dff@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:21 PM 1/27/2005 +0000, you wrote: >"failed to create sample. VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (88760250) The resource >specified is no longer needed" Now, that's an interesting one, the windows video codec is complaining that there's more than it needs in the .AVI file, weird. >What do I do now? I've tried downloading DMDX 3.0.4.3 (a suggestion from the >mailing list archive), but I get 3.1.2.1 instead. It's not a DMDX version problem (as a side note vary rarely will an earlier version of DMDX be a better thing to use), it's a Video For Windows problem. Sometime in the past you've either upgraded the Media Player on that desktop machine or installed something else that's given it expanded capabilities w.r.t. .AVI files. You need to install whatever that was on the laptop too. If you can't recall what it was I recommend upgrading the Windows Media Player first as it upgrades a ton of different video related things. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Weinder's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 28 10:29:18 2005 Received: from elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (elf.ii.uj.edu.pl [149.156.65.17]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0SHRsFJ028273 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:27:55 -0700 Received: by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1641) id 470691100096D; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:27:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9C612C00489 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:27:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:27:49 +0100 From: Jakub Szewczyk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Other I/O cards Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello there, I have a question. I'm preparing an EEG ERP experiment, and thus I need to send triggers from DMDX to the program gathering the EEG signal (Biosemi ActiView). We do have a 32-bit PCI PnP IO card based on 8254 chip. Is there any chance DMDX will support output devices other than 8255-based ones? - Jakub From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 28 14:08:47 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j0SL83FJ029522 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:08:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DB9A6C893 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC134A6A870 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:07:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050128140352.00ba4bb8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:07:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Other I/O cards In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:27 PM 1/28/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hello there, > > I have a question. I'm preparing an EEG ERP experiment, and thus I need to >send triggers from DMDX to the program gathering the EEG signal (Biosemi >ActiView). We do have a 32-bit PCI PnP IO card based on 8254 chip. Is there >any chance DMDX will support output devices other than 8255-based ones? It currently only supports Measurement Computing and Keithley interface cards. Any other types of cards will require someone sponsoring their addition to DMDX unless there are DirectX drivers for the cards (unlikely as we've yet to see any instances of DirectX drivers for interface cards). /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Expertise in one field does not carry over into other fields. But experts often think so. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 1 02:28:20 2005 Received: from web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.57]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j119R8FJ011522 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 02:27:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 56658 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2005 09:27:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20050201092703.56656.qmail@web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [84.67.93.228] by web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:27:03 GMT Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:27:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Nicholas Riches Subject: [DMDX] Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program To: dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1775262743-1107250023=:56645" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1775262743-1107250023=:56645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response (I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and then remap them again? Many thanks Nick Riches Kings College London --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --0-1775262743-1107250023=:56645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi
 
I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response (I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). I've used the command <UnMapButton Space> (umb for short),  to do this (on its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and then remap them again?
 
Many thanks
 
Nick Riches
 
Kings College London

ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --0-1775262743-1107250023=:56645-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 1 08:24:26 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j11FNrFJ012500 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7F8A6F3A7 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D7CA6F448 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:23:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050201081606.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:23:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program In-Reply-To: <20050201092703.56656.qmail@web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response >(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be >able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in >the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and >then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject >answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). >I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on >its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like >at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of >line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and >then remap them again? Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before it. You've probably got: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; You need: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit instead and then map the space bar back again. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You stop believing in Santa Claus is when you start getting clothes for Christmas. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 2 02:28:15 2005 Received: from web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j129R2FJ015826 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:27:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 15266 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2005 09:26:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20050202092656.15264.qmail@web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [84.66.206.38] by web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:26:56 GMT Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:26:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Nicholas Riches Subject: [DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050201081606.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1301755719-1107336416=:12869" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1301755719-1107336416=:12869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for that. I'll give it a try. Nick "j.c.f." wrote: At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response >(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be >able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in >the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and >then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject >answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). >I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on >its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like >at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of >line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and >then remap them again? Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before it. You've probably got: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; You need: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit instead and then map the space bar back again. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You stop believing in Santa Claus is when you start getting clothes for Christmas. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== Dr Nick Riches 14 Swinfield Ave, Chorlton, Manchester M21 9FU Tel: 0161 861 9193 Mobile: 07713 632 701 --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Thanks for that. I'll give it a try.
 
Nick

"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi
>
>I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response
>(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be
>able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in
>the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and
>then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject
>answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort).
>I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on
>its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like
>at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of
>line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and
>then remap them again?

Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before
it. You've probably got:

+10 "frame" * ;
+11 "frame" * ;

You need:

+10 "frame" * ;
+11 "frame" * ;

However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily
map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit
instead and then map the space bar back again.
/"\
-jonathan (j.c.f.) \ /
X
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Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --0-1301755719-1107336416=:12869-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 2 08:27:59 2005 Received: from mailhub1.shef.ac.uk (mailhub1.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.9]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j12FROFJ016821 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:27:25 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by mailhub1.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwMPZ-0005qg-1A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:27:21 +0000 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1CwMPY-00015P-IO for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:27:20 +0000 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:27:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1107358040.4200f158802cc@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:27:20 +0000 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem with .avi files References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050127082106.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050127082106.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, My laptop had the latest version of Windows Media Player and there was nothing I could do to get the videos to work. In the archives (http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=1421802), I found a similar problem with avi files not playing and you suggested using something higher than Windows 98 (which is weird because my PC has Windows 98 and was perfectly happy to display the avi files---unfortunately I can't run my experiments on my own PC). So I tried that on another PC with XP and it works---but I had to change the format of the avi files to be compatible with Windows Media Player Version 9. Thanks for your help, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting "j.c.f." : > At 01:21 PM 1/27/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >"failed to create sample. VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (88760250) The resource > >specified is no longer needed" > > Now, that's an interesting one, the windows video codec is complaining > that there's more than it needs in the .AVI file, weird. > > > >What do I do now? I've tried downloading DMDX 3.0.4.3 (a suggestion from > the > >mailing list archive), but I get 3.1.2.1 instead. > > It's not a DMDX version problem (as a side note vary rarely will an > earlier version of DMDX be a better thing to use), it's a Video For Windows > problem. Sometime in the past you've either upgraded the Media Player on > that desktop machine or installed something else that's given it expanded > capabilities w.r.t. .AVI files. You need to install whatever that was on > the laptop too. If you can't recall what it was I recommend upgrading the > Windows Media Player first as it upgrades a ton of different video related > things. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Weinder's Law of Libraries: > There are no answers, only cross-references. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 8 06:53:55 2005 Received: from web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.53]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j18DqXFJ012241 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:52:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 31831 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2005 13:52:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050208135227.31829.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [84.66.5.155] by web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:52:27 GMT Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:52:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Nicholas Riches Subject: [DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050201081606.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-970056959-1107870747=:31775" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-970056959-1107870747=:31775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, The advice you gave me about unmapping buttons doesn't appear to be working. The line reads +11 * "monkey" ; I get an error message which says "misplaced parameter keyword." Do you know if there's any way around this? Many thanks Nick Riches "j.c.f." wrote: At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response >(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be >able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in >the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and >then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject >answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). >I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on >its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like >at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of >line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and >then remap them again? Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before it. You've probably got: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; You need: +10 "frame" * ; +11 "frame" * ; However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit instead and then map the space bar back again. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You stop believing in Santa Claus is when you start getting clothes for Christmas. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Hi,
 
The advice you gave me about unmapping buttons doesn't appear to be working. The line reads
 
+11 *<wav 2> "monkey" <aikn +Q>;
 
I get an error message which says "misplaced parameter keyword."
 
Do you know if there's any way around this?
Many thanks
 
Nick Riches

"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi
>
>I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response
>(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be
>able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in
>the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and
>then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject
>answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort).
>I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on
>its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like
>at, and gives the error response ("misplaced keyword at beginning of
>line"). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and
>then remap them again?

Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before
it. You've probably got:

+10 "frame" * ;
+11 "frame" * ;

You need:

+10 "frame" * ;
+11 "frame" * ;

However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily
map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit
instead and then map the space bar back again.
/"\
-jonathan (j.c.f.) \ /
X
ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \

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Subject: [DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program In-Reply-To: <20050208135227.31829.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050201081606.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:52 PM 2/8/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >The advice you gave me about unmapping buttons doesn't appear to be >working. The line reads > >+11 * "monkey" ; > >I get an error message which says "misplaced parameter keyword." > >Do you know if there's any way around this? Oh, must only be a parameter. I'll compile a new version later today. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 8 14:08:20 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j18L7XFJ014407 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:07:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F625A78FFA for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:07:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115A5A78841 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:07:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050208140549.00ba4a98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:07:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. 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From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 10 08:21:34 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1AFKqFJ022166; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DC8A7BC35; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724D2A7C03B; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050210081951.00ba4758@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX on a Dell Inspiron 6000 In-Reply-To: <1108033975.420b41b800022@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:12 PM 2/10/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hello fellow DMDXers! > >I am contemplating purchasing a Dell Inspiron 6000, however I am slightly >worried by the fact that the graphics card is listed as "Intel Media >Accelerator 900". Has anyone managed to use DMDX on such a laptop? All >comments warmly welcomed. Yeah, I think we have one upstairs that's running DMDX well. I'll check later on today. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 11 10:36:46 2005 Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1BHZCFJ027993 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:35:12 -0700 Received: from ncsb.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.100]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Czeh7-0004B3-Qv for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:35:07 +0000 Received: from coracle.psy.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.60.205] helo=coracle.psy-staff.psy.bris.ac.uk) by ncsb.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.44) id 1Czeh7-0007Eo-Nh for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:35:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:35:05 +0000 From: "CJ Davis, Experimental Psychology" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] modifying the refresh rate Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I'd like to run a masked priming experiment in which the prime duration is 33 ms. But I'm using DMDX on a (Win 2000) setup which has a refresh rate of 13.33 ms, so the closest I can get is either 27 ms or 40 ms. On DMASTR it used to be possible to change the number of screen lines in order to reduce the refresh rate. TimeDX has an option to modify the number of screen lines, but it seems to make the program crash (even if I change the number by one unit). Is there some way that I can either reduce or increase the refresh rate? Thanks, Colin ---------------------- Dr. Colin J Davis, Dept. of Experimental Psychology, University of Bristol, 8 Woodland Rd, Bristol BS8 1TN Colin.Davis@bristol.ac.uk ph. +44 (0117) 928 9199 fax +44 (0117) 928 8588 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 11 16:32:06 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1BNUxFJ030222 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:30:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272DCA7D58E for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1666A79AB1 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:30:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211162615.00ba4c98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:30:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: modifying the refresh rate In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:35 PM 2/11/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'd like to run a masked priming experiment in which the prime duration is >33 ms. But I'm using DMDX on a (Win 2000) setup which has a refresh rate >of 13.33 ms, so the closest I can get is either 27 ms or 40 ms. On DMASTR >it used to be possible to change the number of screen lines in order to >reduce the refresh rate. TimeDX has an option to modify the number of >screen lines, but it seems to make the program crash (even if I change the >number by one unit). Is there some way that I can either reduce or >increase the refresh rate? Not under Windows XP/2k/NT. I'm surprised it even lets you, pretty sure there's code in there to disallow it. You can pick other display dimensions that might have a different refresh rate or you should be able to pick faster refresh rates that might let you come closer but changing the number of lines used with another video mode is no longer an option. If you aren't seeing other refresh rates then it's possible you need later display drivers, a later operating system or a better video card and or a better monitor. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #36. Bacteria need vitamin B. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 11 21:50:53 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1C4nqFJ030988 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:49:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A13A7E0DA for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:49:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D22A7E0B1 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:49:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:49:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Dell Inspiron's and Intel Graphics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Turns out we don't have an Inspiron 6000 upstairs but instead have a 1000 or 1100 instead. Still has an Intel graphics chip in it though and the more I think about it the less trouble I ever recall DMDX having with the Intel devices. In fact they're almost my recommended thing these days, Intel aren't obsessed like Nvidia and ATI with absurdly good 3D bench marks so their drivers are solid and every time I can think of recently that DMDX has run on one of their chipsets it's been without any shenanigans at all. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 13 18:19:24 2005 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1E0rhFJ004873 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:53:44 -0700 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-POST-1.9) with ESMTP id j1E0rffK024467 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:53:42 +1100 (EST) Received: from ITP14448 ([137.154.107.236]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-PRE-1.9) with ESMTP id j1E0rewF024385; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:53:40 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200502140053.j1E0rewF024385@cooper.uws.edu.au> From: "Arman Abrahamyan" To: Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:53:34 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \ +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ ----- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 00:33:15 2005 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1E7UrFJ005823 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:30:54 -0700 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCE914C01B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:30:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie by localhost.localdomain (VaMailArmor-2.0.1.16) id 20906-36823349; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:30:46 +0000 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808D414C01B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:30:45 +0000 (GMT) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:31:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200502140053.j1E0rewF024385@cooper.uws.edu.au> Message-Id: <20050214073045.808D414C01B@smtp3.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 ... +1 * "y", "top", "left" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \ +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 02:29:37 2005 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1E9SwFJ006115 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:28:58 -0700 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-POST-1.9) with ESMTP id j1E9SvfK000550 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:28:57 +1100 (EST) Received: from ITP14448 ([137.154.115.27]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-PRE-1.9) with ESMTP id j1E9SuwF000532 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:28:56 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200502140928.j1E9SuwF000532@cooper.uws.edu.au> From: "Arman Abrahamyan" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:28:49 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050214073045.808D414C01B@smtp3.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message "Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is "Space". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get "No Response" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 .. +1 * "y", "top", "left" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \ +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 02:48:46 2005 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1E9mYFJ006206 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:48:34 -0700 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2F414C01B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:48:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie by localhost.localdomain (VaMailArmor-2.0.1.16) id 07230-6F4F2260; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:48:28 +0000 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D42E14C01B for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:48:28 +0000 (GMT) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au] Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200502140928.j1E9SuwF000532@cooper.uws.edu.au> Message-Id: <20050214094828.5D42E14C01B@smtp3.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Arman, In the DMDX help file, under DMDX help, input, I found the below info. Looks like the space bar is already been mapped as a "REQUEST". KEYBOARD +Space REQUEST +Left Shift NEG_RESP +Right Shift POS_RESP Not entirely sure what a request is, but try unmapping it first (in the header code at top of dmdx script) using the below function. Un-Map Request Keyword Parameter and switch to unmap all button mappings to the request input. Cheers, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 09:29 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message "Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is "Space". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get "No Response" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 . +1 * "y", "top", "left" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \ +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 03:37:01 2005 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1EAaMFJ006333 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:36:23 -0700 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-POST-1.9) with ESMTP id j1EAaLfK027548 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:36:21 +1100 (EST) Received: from ITP14448 ([137.154.115.27]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-PRE-1.9) with ESMTP id j1EAaLwF027505 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:36:21 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200502141036.j1EAaLwF027505@cooper.uws.edu.au> From: "Arman Abrahamyan" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:36:14 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050214094828.5D42E14C01B@smtp3.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Andy, Program works smoothly after unmapping the space bar from REQUEST and mapping it as a NEG_RESP. Thanks for your time and help ! Cheers, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:49 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au] Hi Arman, In the DMDX help file, under DMDX help, input, I found the below info. Looks like the space bar is already been mapped as a "REQUEST". KEYBOARD +Space REQUEST +Left Shift NEG_RESP +Right Shift POS_RESP Not entirely sure what a request is, but try unmapping it first (in the header code at top of dmdx script) using the below function. Un-Map Request Keyword Parameter and switch to unmap all button mappings to the request input. Cheers, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 09:29 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message "Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is "Space". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get "No Response" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 03:38:58 2005 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1EAcsFJ006356 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:38:54 -0700 Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie (smtp3.tcd.ie [134.226.1.158]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EDE14C029 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:38:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.tcd.ie by localhost.localdomain (VaMailArmor-2.0.1.16) id 23364-7C506EF6; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:38:47 +0000 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by smtp3.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2007814C01E for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:38:47 +0000 (GMT) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au] Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:39:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050214103847.2007814C01E@smtp3.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Excuse my previous ramblings! The code below works on my machine: +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ Best, Andy. PS I've mapped the response to the g button, but this may be unnecessary. -----Original Message----- From: Andy [mailto:woodsat@tcd.ie] Sent: 14 February 2005 09:49 To: 'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu' Subject: [DMDX] Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au] Hi Arman, In the DMDX help file, under DMDX help, input, I found the below info. Looks like the space bar is already been mapped as a "REQUEST". KEYBOARD +Space REQUEST +Left Shift NEG_RESP +Right Shift POS_RESP Not entirely sure what a request is, but try unmapping it first (in the header code at top of dmdx script) using the below function. Un-Map Request Keyword Parameter and switch to unmap all button mappings to the request input. Cheers, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 09:29 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message "Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is "Space". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get "No Response" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 . +1 * "y", "top", "left" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \ +111 "Get ready !" // * "111.wav"; +112 "Get ready !" // * "112.wav"; +113 "Get ready !" // * "113.wav"; +121 "Get ready !" // * "121.wav"; +122 "Get ready !" // * "122.wav"; +123 "Get ready !" // * "123.wav"; +131 "Get ready !" // * "131.wav"; +132 "Get ready !" // * "132.wav"; +133 "Get ready !" // * "133.wav"; \ $ 0 "THAT IS IT, THANK YOU" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 14:51:59 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f6.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1ELpIFJ009135 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:51:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:51:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 128.196.62.38 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:50:45 GMT From: "Sarah Orjada" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] tachistoscopic presentation script? Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:50:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hello- i'm planning a study that i'll outline: there will be a paragraph of context presented line by line, for which i need to record reading time for the final sentence of each paragraph. then a word will be presented tachistoscopically to a visual field. the subject is then to answer yes or no using a key pad response whether the presented word "goes with" the previous context. my question is...is there a script that has been already written to use in DMDX for something similar? in particular, i need to make sure the timing of the tach. presentation is perfect, as well as the placement of the word in a specific part of the visual field. if something has already been designed, i'm guessing that it might be of higher quality than were i to write the script myself. thanks, sarah From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 14 17:30:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1F0TbFJ009859 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCEAA7DE66 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from KIFXP (mfg.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.29]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F049EA804CD for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:36 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: tachistoscopic presentation script? Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:45 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c512f5$72d0c820$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Sara, I don't know of any existing script, but the following should do what you want. --k.i.f. 0 "Instructions"; 0 "Press the spacebar to continue."; =1 *"The boy went behind the desk"; =2 *"and found an old typewriter,"; =3 *"which he dropped out of the window"; =4 *"which was on the seventh floor."; +5 %20 / %3 *" CRASH"/ ; ! This is a left field - right-field contrast; 0 "Press the spacebar to continue."; ! The left field version would look like this"; +5 %20 / %3 *"CRASH "/ ; 0 "Press the spacebar to continue."; ! If you want fancier positioning, then you need to use the x-y co-ordinates. For example--"; +5 %20 / %3 * "CRASH"/ ; 0 "Press the spacebar to continue."; +5 %20 / %3 * "CRASH"/ ; ! See the help file for details.; 0 "That's the end. Thank you!"; > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Sarah Orjada > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:51 PM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] tachistoscopic presentation script? > > hello- > i'm planning a study that i'll outline: > there will be a paragraph of context presented line by line, for which i > need to record reading time for the final sentence of each paragraph. then > a > word will be presented tachistoscopically to a visual field. the subject > is > then to answer yes or no using a key pad response whether the presented > word > "goes with" the previous context. > my question is...is there a script that has been already written to use in > DMDX for something similar? in particular, i need to make sure the timing > of > the tach. presentation is perfect, as well as the placement of the word in > a > specific part of the visual field. if something has already been designed, > i'm guessing that it might be of higher quality than were i to write the > script myself. > thanks, > sarah > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 16 06:55:25 2005 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de (fmmailgate04.web.de [217.72.192.242]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1GDroFJ018400 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:53:51 -0700 Received: by fmmailgate04.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id j1GDrc2S002737 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:53:47 +0100 Received: from [134.147.103.4] by freemailng1604.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:53:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:53:42 +0100 Message-Id: <555488932@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "tanya dolis" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] maze command line/ randomization Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ! Practice Items =1 *" This"/; -1 *" information cars"; +1 *" wet must"; +1 *" rabbit be"; -1 *" kept bed"; +1 *" sanitation. secret."; this is the command line and first practice item for my maze experiment. i find myself confronted with several problems: 1. the first word- "this"- does not get displayed. 2. i don't really know how to randomize all real items but not the practice items. i first thought that i' d group the practice items together and then have them be the seed for the randomization but then from what i have understood the randomized order would stay the same for all items which is unwanted. thank you for your help, tanya dolis ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 16 09:19:28 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1GGJ1FJ019197 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:19:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84310A81320 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from KIFXP (mfg.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.29]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5B0A7CA49 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:18:55 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: maze command line/ randomization Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c51443$3c551360$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <555488932@web.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Tanya, > > > > ! Practice Items > > =1 *" This"/; > -1 *" information cars"; > +1 *" wet must"; > +1 *" rabbit be"; > -1 *" kept bed"; > +1 *" sanitation. secret."; > > this is the command line and first practice item for my maze experiment. i > find myself confronted with several problems: > > 1. the first word- "this"- does not get displayed. The forward slash schedules a blank frame which erases the previous frame, where "This" would appear. You don't see it because there is no default frame duration, e.g., . But you don't need it -- you want the word to stay on the screen until the subject responds. > 2. i don't really know how to randomize all real items but not the > practice items. i first thought that i' d group the practice items > together and then have them be the seed for the randomization but then > from what i have understood the randomized order would stay the same for > all items which is unwanted. If you insert a $ sign before a group of items, and again at the end, those items appear in that position in a fixed sequence. But if you scramble a MAZE file, the individual items that make up the sentence will get scrambled. One way to cope is to set a grouping factor, e.g., . This effectively defines a group of 12 items to be a single item as far as scrambling is concerned. This means you'd have to make all your sentences the same length (12 words in this case). If some are shorter, you can include "dummy" items, such as in the following: =1 *" This"; -2 *" information cars"; +3 *" wet must"; +4 *" rabbit be"; -5 *" kept bed"; +6 *" sanitation. secret."; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; These are "instructions" that don't display anything. The "c" is necessary to reinstate continuous running so that DMDX goes on to the next item without waiting. So, if you had 20 sentences, you'd include on the parameter line. There are more sophisticated procedures that achieve the same effect. I have developed an Excel template for constructing MAZE files. If you are interested let me know (mail to me not the list). --k.i.f. > > thank you for your help, > > tanya dolis > ______________________________________________________________ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 16 11:48:19 2005 Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1GIlXFJ020046 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:47:33 -0700 Received: from ncs.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.36]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D1UCp-0000cw-Ew for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:25 +0000 Received: from coracle.psy.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.60.205] helo=coracle.psy-staff.psy.bris.ac.uk) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.44) id 1D1UCo-0005MV-Q1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:22 +0000 From: "CJ Davis, Experimental Psychology" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] enhanced rate detection test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, Thanks for replies to my previous message about choosing different refresh rates -- I've now discovered that a new video card was required (we got a Sapphire Radeon 7000). My next question concerns the Enh. Retrace test in TimeDX. As I understand it, this is the gold standard: if the screen is split into two (stationary) equal halves, then the estimated refresh rate is correct (even if there are some timed out traces). The two halves should be red and blue. However, on some computers (using 8 bit color depth), I find that the two halves are red and black. Does this matter? Thanks, Colin ---------------------- Dr. Colin J Davis, Dept. of Experimental Psychology, University of Bristol, 8 Woodland Rd, Bristol BS8 1TN Colin.Davis@bristol.ac.uk ph. +44 (0117) 928 9199 fax +44 (0117) 928 8588 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 16 14:42:16 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1GLfwFJ020754 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3921CA7741C for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3ABEA8216B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050216144133.00ba4dd8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: enhanced rate detection test In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:47 PM 2/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >Thanks for replies to my previous message about choosing different refresh >rates -- I've now discovered that a new video card was required (we got a >Sapphire Radeon 7000). My next question concerns the Enh. Retrace test in >TimeDX. As I understand it, this is the gold standard: if the screen is >split into two (stationary) equal halves, then the estimated refresh rate >is correct (even if there are some timed out traces). The two halves >should be red and blue. However, on some computers (using 8 bit color >depth), I find that the two halves are red and black. Does this matter? Yes. Don't use 8 bit video modes. 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From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 17 07:32:49 2005 Received: from mailscan.ird.ub.es (mailscan.ird.ub.es [161.116.100.74]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1HEVhFJ023103 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:31:43 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost) by mailscan.ird.ub.es with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D1mgp-0006gT-24 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:35 +0100 Received: from mailscan.ird.ub.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailscanfrom.ird.ub.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 20024) with ESMTP id 14912-04 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from romani.ird.ub.es ([161.116.100.100]) by mailscan.ird.ub.es with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D1mgo-0006fs-Ul for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:34 +0100 Received: from ub218050.ub.edu ([161.116.218.50]) by mail2.ub.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPPA id <0IC200NKS8CP2B@mail2.ub.edu>; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:34 +0100 From: Salvador Soto Subject: [DMDX] Refresh rates above 85Hz and AVI files To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050217152339.02a03e80@mailper.ub.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Here's two questions for the list. (1) I am using a monitor which I positively know it can work at a refresh rate of 120Hz. However, when using TimeDX, the higher refresh rates available are 85Hz for several of the video modes. Is that a limitation of DMDX? How can I get to faster refresh frequencies? (2) I am using video (.AVI) files recorded at a 40 ms / frame rate (the European standard). If my refresh rate is, say, 11.67. How does the system deals with the offset? Will it present the frames for slightly longer/shorter time (i.e., 46.7 ms / 35 ms) and then skip a frame from now and then to re-synch? Is there any way to know exactly what is happening? Thank you very much in advance, and sorry if these questions have been already asked before. I am currently browsing the message database bye Thank you very much salva Salvador Soto Faraco Phone: +34 93 3125158 Cognitive Neuroscience Group Fax: +34 93 4021363 Departament de Psicologia Bàsica Universitat de Barcelona Pg. Vall d'Hebron, 171 08035 - Barcelona, SPAIN From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 17 08:16:37 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1HFGSFJ023232 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E0EA699A4 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F56DA80F62 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217081100.00ba4730@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Refresh rates above 85Hz and AVI files In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050217152339.02a03e80@mailper.ub.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:31 PM 2/17/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Here's two questions for the list. > >(1) I am using a monitor which I positively know it can work at a refresh >rate of 120Hz. However, when using TimeDX, the higher refresh rates >available are 85Hz for several of the video modes. Is that a limitation of >DMDX? How can I get to faster refresh frequencies? DMDX just exposes what the video drivers decide are the available video modes. Be aware that just because a monitor can go at 120Hz in one video mode doesn't mean it can go at 120Hz in all video modes. Monitors also have limitations on the horizontal frequency and that limits the higher video modes more than vertical frequency does. Your video card can also be a limitation. >(2) I am using video (.AVI) files recorded at a 40 ms / frame rate (the >European standard). If my refresh rate is, say, 11.67. How does the system >deals with the offset? Will it present the frames for slightly >longer/shorter time (i.e., 46.7 ms / 35 ms) and then skip a frame from now >and then to re-synch? Is there any way to know exactly what is happening? You would have to talk to the makers of the video codec that is rendering your .AVI file. Basically it drops frames and all resorts to sorts of chicanery to get a good output. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 17 09:57:35 2005 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1HGv9FJ023861 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:57:10 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j1HGv7f18461 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:57:07 +1100 Received: from 193.63.253.250 ( [193.63.253.250]) as user awoollam@currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au by www.maccs.mq.edu.au with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:57:07 +1100 Message-ID: <1108659427.4214cce3927e6@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:57:07 +1100 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dell Inspiron's and Intel Graphics References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathan, > Turns out we don't have an Inspiron 6000 upstairs but instead have a > 1000 or 1100 instead. Still has an Intel graphics chip in it though and > the more I think about it the less trouble I ever recall DMDX having with > the Intel devices. In fact they're almost my recommended thing these days, > Intel aren't obsessed like Nvidia and ATI with absurdly good 3D bench marks > so their drivers are solid and every time I can think of recently that DMDX > has run on one of their chipsets it's been without any shenanigans at all. Many thanks indeed for checking, and for the reassuring information concerning the Intel graphics chip - both are very much appreciated. I have now ordered the Inspiron 6000, so will let you know how I get on... Best wishes, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 17 11:37:03 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1HIaPFJ024505 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:36:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2A3A82806 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:36:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340A4A812BB for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:36:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217105535.00ba4d50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:36:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dell Inspiron's and Intel Graphics In-Reply-To: <1108659427.4214cce3927e6@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050211214536.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:57 AM 2/18/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan, > > > Turns out we don't have an Inspiron 6000 upstairs but instead have a > > 1000 or 1100 instead. Still has an Intel graphics chip in it though and > > the more I think about it the less trouble I ever recall DMDX having with > > the Intel devices. In fact they're almost my recommended thing these days, > > Intel aren't obsessed like Nvidia and ATI with absurdly good 3D bench marks > > so their drivers are solid and every time I can think of recently that DMDX > > has run on one of their chipsets it's been without any shenanigans at all. > >Many thanks indeed for checking, and for the reassuring information >concerning >the Intel graphics chip - both are very much appreciated. I have now ordered >the Inspiron 6000, so will let you know how I get on... Even if it's cantankerous almost anything can be made to work these days. Between the Refresh Rate Determination's Read Between Flips To Stop Cheating Drivers and the shortcuts that reduce the number of back buffers that DMDX requests all modern cards will work. The older hardware is likewise ok, the exceptions tend to be machines that are generally screwed up with spyware and all manner of nasties. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #36. Bacteria need vitamin B. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 18 13:52:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1IKobFJ031234 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FAEA8271A for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA08A7E2FB for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050218134650.00ba4ea0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list 3.1.2.4 fixes the last couple of registry keys that DMDX uses for restricted privilege environments. Should fix errors w.r.t. the LastUsedItemFile registry key. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It's not a REAL sponge cake unless you've borrowed all the ingredients. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Feb 19 12:49:51 2005 Received: from langate.gsu.edu (langate.gsu.edu [131.96.2.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1JJmkFJ002526 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:48:47 -0700 Received: from mailsrv21.gsu.edu not authenticated [131.96.2.14] by langate.gsu.edu with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.22.1.5 $ on Novell NetWare; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:48:46 -0500 Received: from IAGATE2-MTA by mailsrv21.gsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:48:43 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:48:37 -0500 From: "Nan Jiang" To: Subject: [DMDX] error rates and excluding participants Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I was looking at the error rate on individual items in an ism file and can't understand some of the error rates. Here are the examples. 1164 9.1 -73 <% 30> "*"/ * "slight fork"; 1209 13.6 -74 <% 30> "*"/ * "breath attack"; 1149 0.0 -75 <% 30> "*"/ * "lose stimulus"; 1026 4.5 -76 <% 30> "*"/ * "prove cabin"; 1200 5.3 -77 <% 30> "*"/ * "stay sign"; 1141 5.0 -78 <% 30> "*"/ * "spin wire"; I had 22 participants. The first error rate is easy to understand. 2 out of 22 was 9.1%. 13.6% is 3, and 4.5% is 1. But what about 5.3%, 5.0%. How can I get an error rate like this if it is the number of participants with incorrect responses divided by the total number of participants? Do I miss something here? An unrelated question: is there any way to exclude a perticular participant in analysis other than manually removing this person's data in the azk file? I understand I can automantically exclude participants with high error rates by specifying an error rate in the spc file, but how about a participant with low ER? I need to do so because the participants completed two tasks and some made high error rates in one task and I want to exclude them from both tasks. Best, Nan Jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Feb 19 15:56:06 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1JMseFJ002995 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:54:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B47FA80399 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:54:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34F9A7F22A for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:54:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050219155054.00ba45d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:54:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: error rates and excluding participants In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:48 PM 2/19/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I was looking at the error rate on individual items in an ism file and >can't understand some of the error rates. Here are the examples. > 1164 9.1 -73 <% 30> "*"/ * "slight fork"; > 1209 13.6 -74 <% 30> "*"/ * "breath attack"; > 1149 0.0 -75 <% 30> "*"/ * "lose stimulus"; > 1026 4.5 -76 <% 30> "*"/ * "prove cabin"; > 1200 5.3 -77 <% 30> "*"/ * "stay sign"; > 1141 5.0 -78 <% 30> "*"/ * "spin wire"; >I had 22 participants. The first error rate is easy to understand. 2 out >of 22 was 9.1%. 13.6% is 3, and 4.5% is 1. But what about 5.3%, 5.0%. >How can I get an error rate like this if it is the number of >participants with incorrect responses divided by the total number of >participants? Do I miss something here? How many items were rejected? N is different if cutoffs are applied. >An unrelated question: is there any way to exclude a perticular >participant in analysis other than manually removing this person's data >in the azk file? I understand I can automantically exclude participants >with high error rates by specifying an error rate in the spc file, but >how about a participant with low ER? I need to do so because the >participants completed two tasks and some made high error rates in one >task and I want to exclude them from both tasks. Besides sticking all the data in one AZK file and having both sets of conditions in the SPC file I can't think of a way to do it without editing the data files. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." - David Guaspari From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 20 22:36:57 2005 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu (broadway.montclair.edu [130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1L5ZCFJ007492 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:35:12 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IC8005XTY6IQV@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.68.2.33] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:35:06 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:35:06 -0800 From: Joanna Musial Subject: [DMDX] DMDX and SPSS To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <806e3c802f2c.802f2c806e3c@montclair.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I would like to import my data from DMDX file into SPSS file. I have my data saved in .txt format, but still I don't know how to do it. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks, Joanna From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 22 08:28:43 2005 Received: from web51006.mail.yahoo.com (web51006.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.137]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j1MFBbFJ012669 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:11:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 7781 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2005 15:11:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20050222151132.7779.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.230.95.90] by web51006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:11:32 PST Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jackie Holloway Subject: [DMDX] recording responses while mpeg is running To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I am fairly new to the DMDX world and I am trying to run a program with a video clip for an experiment concerning event perception. I need to have the subjects making responses while the video is running. Is it possible to record their responses while the clip is running? Will the data come out in the .zil or .azk file? Thanks! -Jackie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 22 08:48:11 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1MFZcFJ012793 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:35:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A64A6E693 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:35:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D496DA83402 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:35:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050222083501.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:35:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: recording responses while mpeg is running In-Reply-To: <20050222151132.7779.qmail@web51006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:11 AM 2/22/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all, >I am fairly new to the DMDX world and I am trying to >run a program with a video clip for an experiment >concerning event perception. I need to have the >subjects making responses while the video is running. >Is it possible to record their responses while the >clip is running? Will the data come out in the .zil >or .azk file? Yes. There's even a special keyword for turning the clock on at a given frame in the mpeg. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." - David Guaspari From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 23 14:49:12 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1NLltFJ019894 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:47:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FA1A81C17 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:47:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA33A813F4; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:47:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050223144400.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:47:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 3.1.2.5 fixes another sscanf() caused crash. Pretty amazing that it's managed to stay hidden all this time as the previous sscanf() caused crashes were fixed almost exactly two years ago to the day. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 07:03:42 2005 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de (fmmailgate04.web.de [217.72.192.242]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1OE30FJ022926 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:03:00 -0700 Received: by fmmailgate04.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id j1OE2t2M019598 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:02:56 +0100 Received: from [134.147.103.4] by freemailng1603.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:02:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:02:52 +0100 Message-Id: <564946378@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "tanya dolis" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] maze task-read error Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hallo, when running a syntax check dmdx isn't able to read the last line of the experiment. here it is: $ =57 * " That"c; -57 * "myth folks"c; -57 * " still chains"c; +57 * " air exists"c; -57 * " in aunt"c; +57 * " paper the"c; +57 * " mother southern"c; +57 *" watch. States."c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; $ 0! "End."; also i am not sure about how to abort an item after a wrong answer because from what i understood one should use the keyword and then tell the program with which item it shall continue but that would make a randomization hard, wouldn't it? or is that why in other maze task many sentences have the same item number? thank you very much for your help, tanya dolis ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 08:22:40 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1OFLoFJ023198 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:21:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75570A83778 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:21:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF4DA83917 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:21:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050224081648.00ba4708@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:21:47 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: maze task-read error In-Reply-To: <564946378@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:02 PM 2/24/2005 +0100, you wrote: >hallo, > >when running a syntax check dmdx isn't able to read the last line of the >experiment. here it is: >$ >=57 * " That"c; >-57 * "myth folks"c; >-57 * " still chains"c; >+57 * " air exists"c; >-57 * " in aunt"c; >+57 * " paper the"c; >+57 * " mother southern"c; >+57 *" watch. States."c; >0 c; >0 c; >0 c; >0 c; >$ > >0! "End."; That's the item file before the scramble, it's not what DMDX is having trouble reading. Look at the file scrambled.itm (probably in c:\program files\dmdx), it contains the results of the scramble. Your problem probably stems from the fact that you've got the wrong things locked down between pairs of $ signs, usually one would be locking the end of the experiment, not the contents: =57 * " That"c; -57 * "myth folks"c; -57 * " still chains"c; +57 * " air exists"c; -57 * " in aunt"c; +57 * " paper the"c; +57 * " mother southern"c; +57 *" watch. States."c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; $ 0! "End."; $ >also i am not sure about how to abort an item after a wrong answer because >from what i understood one should use the keyword and then tell >the program with which item it shall continue but that would make a >randomization hard, wouldn't it? I include dummy items in those instances: =57 * " That"c ; -57 * "myth folks"c ; -57 * " still chains"c ; +57 * " air exists"c ; -57 * " in aunt"c ; +57 * " paper the"c ; +57 * " mother southern"c ; +57 *" watch. States."c ; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; ~999 c; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." - David Guaspari From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 08:51:21 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1OFpBFJ023355 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:51:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF02CA83966 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:51:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from KIFXP (mfg.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.29]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866BDA7F508 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:51:11 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: maze task-read error Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:51:11 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c51a88$aa88e5a0$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <564946378@web.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > > when running a syntax check dmdx isn't able to read the last line of the > experiment. here it is: > $ > =57 * " That"c; > -57 * "myth folks"c; > -57 * " still chains"c; > +57 * " air exists"c; > -57 * " in aunt"c; > +57 * " paper the"c; > +57 * " mother southern"c; > +57 *" watch. States."c; > 0 c; > 0 c; > 0 c; > 0 c; > $ > > 0! "End."; The last item in a file should be an instruction enclosed in dollars, to make sure that the scrambling doesn't move it. Thus: $0 "Thank you. That's the end.";$ Also, you shouldn't use the !. That is an instruction to DMDX to ignore what follows. > > also i am not sure about how to abort an item after a wrong answer because > from what i understood one should use the keyword and then tell > the program with which item it shall continue but that would make a > randomization hard, wouldn't it? or is that why in other maze task many > sentences have the same item number? A Maze task can have different item numbers for every item. If you use the Variable Grouping option , you can make sure that all items within a given sentence (including the "continue" item) are kept in position. Here's an example: The experiment consists of 20 sentences, which should be presented in a random order. The item file would look something like this: $ ! Example of a Maze .rtf file. Note the following important features: 1. The Variable Grouping parameter . This has the effect of converting the item number 1001 to 1 during the scrambling operation (i.e., the item number is divided by the Variable Grouping parameter). All items with the same number are then treated as a group as far as scrambling is concerned. 2. makes sure of a rapid response once a key is pressed. 3. you don't want feedback. 4. Continuous running is essential. ; 0 "Press the space bar for the next screen."; 0 "Press the Right or Left key for whichever word", "you think would continue the sentence."; 0 "The following items are for practice.";$ ! Note that the sentence does not have $s around it.; =1001 %75"READY"/ *"The x-x-x" c; +1002 *"isn't concert" c; +1003 *"swim was" c; +1004 *"but long" c; -1005 *"and guess" c; +1006 *"door we" c; +1007 *"computer enjoyed" c; -1008 *"every grind" c; -1009 *"minute. this." c; 1000 "CORRECT"/ ; 1251 %40 "< < error > >"/@2 "Please proceed to the next item."; 1250 c; The next sentence would then be listed. At the end, you would finish up with something like this: 20000 "CORRECT"/ ; 20251 %40 "< < error > >"/@2 "Please proceed to the next item."; 20250 c; $0 "Thank you. That's the end.";$ --k.i.f. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 16:54:45 2005 Received: from ssgmailgate.ssg.org.au (smtpout.ssg.org.au [203.2.94.39]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1ONrPFJ026665 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:53:26 -0700 Received: from eppicmail.ssg.org.au ([172.28.195.28]) by ssgmailgate.ssg.org.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:53:20 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX Query... Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:53:20 +1100 Message-ID: From: "MacKenzie, Trudi L" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello there - My name is Trudi Mackenzie - I work at a laboratory at the University of Melbourne and we are looking to use DMDX to present some video stimui (footage of heroin use) to our participants (long term heroin addicts). I am just wondering what video file types DMDX will recognise: avi, mpeg, mov files? I have scoured the website to try to find out but don't seem able to find the answer. I would be enormously appreciative if somebody could get back to me on this one! Many thanks, Trudi Trudi Mackenzie Research Assistant Substance Use Research & Recovery Focused Program (SURRF) ORYGEN Research Centre Department of Psychiatry, University of Melbourne 35 Poplar Road, Parkville, 3052. * (03) 9342 2887, 0401 805 662 * trudi.mackenzie@mh.or.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 17:06:08 2005 Received: from f05n03.cac.psu.edu (f05s03.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.46]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1P062FJ026738 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:06:03 -0700 Received: from cathance.psych.psu.edu (psyprn2.la.psu.edu [146.186.181.220]) by f05n03.cac.psu.edu (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j1P061RD068852 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:06:01 -0500 Subject: [DMDX] DMDX and EGI From: Michael Wenger To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1109289955.11581.8.camel@psyprn2.la.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:05:55 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list All: Has anyone had any experience using DMDX with EGI's high-density EEG systems? It appears that triggering/toggling can be done with TTL or TCP/IP communications, so it seems as though it should be possible. Any and all comments and suggestions would be most helpful. -Michael -- _______________________________________________________________________ Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology 620 Moore Building The Pennsylvania State University University Park PA 16802 voice: (814) 863-6023 e-mail: mjw19@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/mjw19 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 21:34:04 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1P4XBFJ027424 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:33:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA771A8392D for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:33:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51793A7F3CA for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:33:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050224213130.00ba45a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:33:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX Query... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:53 AM 2/25/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hello there - > >My name is Trudi Mackenzie - I work at a laboratory at the University of >Melbourne and we are looking to use DMDX to present some video stimui >(footage of heroin use) to our participants (long term heroin addicts). I >am just wondering what video file types DMDX will recognise: avi, mpeg, >mov files? Anything your machine has codecs for. Which pretty much means anything the windows media player can play. DMDX use the standard windows functions for rendering files so the sky's the limit. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." - David Guaspari From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 24 21:36:58 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j1P4atFJ027457 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:36:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57819A81C33 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:36:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96F5A7FC22 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:36:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050224213333.00bc11e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:36:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX and EGI In-Reply-To: <1109289955.11581.8.camel@psyprn2.la.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:05 PM 2/24/2005 -0500, you wrote: >All: Has anyone had any experience using DMDX with EGI's high-density >EEG systems? It appears that triggering/toggling can be done with TTL or >TCP/IP communications, so it seems as though it should be possible. Any >and all comments and suggestions would be most helpful. You can certainly use a TTL signal to do it, tons of documentation in the TimeDX help file and in the archives here for it. TCP/IP communications would require you to sponsor modifications to DMDX. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." - David Guaspari From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 5 08:01:55 2005 Received: from elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (elf.ii.uj.edu.pl [149.156.65.17]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j25F0kFJ003633 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:00:46 -0700 Received: by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1641) id 2668211000985; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:00:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A97A12C00489 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:00:39 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:00:39 +0100 From: Jakub Szewczyk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] timing problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, After finding solution to my PIO card problems I managed to configure set for measuring ERPs. But during analysis of the first data file, I've found DMDX is doing very strange things with timing. I use keyword for enforcing delay. In the following code, I've put into square brackets real timings measured as triggers by ERP gathering program - the time since the previous trigger. 0 "Press space to begin."; -197 / "+" / [450] / [360] "word1" / [270] / [180]"word2" / / [287] "word3" / / [450] "word4" / * "???" / !; so the timings are very strange. this is a test procedure, in the real one I have used the following sequence: .. / / "word1" / / "word2" / ... so the delay should be always around 500, and the triggers appeared always in 450 ms delay, so it was not random. It seems the words appear on the screen in the same time as the triggers were gathered on another computer, so it can't be an I/O problem. I know it, since ERPs for successive words look similiar, and are not phase shifted (as it would be if the triggers were shifted in relation to words). I fear I'm making a very simple mistake, but I can't figure it out. can you figure anything out of it? thanks, Jakub. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 5 17:30:22 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j260TLFJ005027 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:29:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CB5A81F82 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606A2A7C57A for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:29:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050305171700.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:29:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:00 PM 3/5/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hello, > > After finding solution to my PIO card problems I managed to configure set >for measuring ERPs. But during analysis of the first data file, I've found >DMDX is doing very strange things with timing. > >I use keyword for enforcing delay. is provided for people that don't care about accurate timing, DMDX calculates how many retrace intervals are guaranteed to be longer than the parameter to . Use whole retrace intervals with instead. Millisecond timing in DMDX is generally not possible (there are exceptions, is one of them, is another), most things are specified in retrace intervals. > In the following code, I've put >into square brackets real timings measured as triggers by ERP gathering >program - the time since the previous trigger. > > > > > > > is also not guaranteed, it's simply a command to move to the next item as quickly as possible. I recommend for fast machines and for older machines. Note, it's in retrace intervals, not milliseconds. > > > > Shift> > > > >0 "Press space to begin."; > > >-197 / "+" / [450] / > [360] "word1" / [270] / > [180]"word2" / / [287] "word3" / > / [450] "word4" / * "???" / !; > > >so the timings are very strange. Your value of the retrace interval of the video mode you are using may not not accurate and there may be timing errors that are forcing to DMDX to do it's best to get things right. You need to read the advanced timing documentation in TimeDX and see that you've got good values for the retrace interval. Often I find setting the Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers in TimeDX's Refresh Rate test clears a lot of these problems up. Beyond that you need to make sure there are no worms or viruses or spyware on the machine as they bork things right up. > this is a test procedure, in the real one I >have used the following sequence: . / / "word1" >/ / "word2" / ... >so the delay should be always around 500, and the triggers appeared >always in 450 ms delay, so it was not random. > > >It seems the words appear on the screen in the same time as the triggers >were gathered on another computer, so it can't be an I/O problem. I know it, >since ERPs for successive words look similiar, and are not phase shifted (as >it would be if the triggers were shifted in relation to words). The triggers will be appearing with the words, the timing of the words however is another matter. >I fear I'm making a very simple mistake, but I can't figure it out. Would that DMDX was simple, but then you wouldn't be able to do a fifth of the things that are possible with it. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. - Alvy Ray Smith From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 6 04:15:07 2005 Received: from elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (elf.ii.uj.edu.pl [149.156.65.17]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j26BEMFJ006561 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 04:14:22 -0700 Received: by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1641) id DB18A11000974; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:14:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elf.ii.uj.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CDD12C00489 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:14:11 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:14:11 +0100 From: Jakub Szewczyk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050305171700.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050305171700.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, j.c.f. wrote: > At 04:00 PM 3/5/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> After finding solution to my PIO card problems I managed to configure >> set >> for measuring ERPs. But during analysis of the first data file, I've found >> DMDX is doing very strange things with timing. >> >> I use keyword for enforcing delay. > > is provided for people that don't care about accurate timing, DMDX > calculates how many retrace intervals are guaranteed to be longer than the > parameter to . Use whole retrace intervals with instead. > Millisecond timing in DMDX is generally not possible (there are exceptions, > is one of them, is another), most things are > specified in retrace intervals. Thanks for compehensive answer! I knew the thing, but I didn't expect it to give so stable and so big differences ( -> 450ms; _always_), given that the refresh rate is always <= 17ms. Jakub From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 6 07:30:30 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j26ESsFJ007088 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:28:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683A3A7F209 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:28:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058B1A7EFCB for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:28:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050306072731.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 07:28:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050305171700.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050305171700.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:14 PM 3/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I knew the thing, but I didn't expect it to give so stable and so big >differences ( -> 450ms; _always_), given that the refresh rate is >always <= 17ms. I doubt that's the whole explanation for your problem but it certainly doesn't help having a level of automation in there when we want specific results. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. - Alvy Ray Smith From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 09:45:20 2005 Received: from hkuhp12.hku.hk (hkuhp12.hku.hk [147.8.2.62]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27GhhFJ011304 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:43:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (webmail01.hku.hk [147.8.2.175]) by hkuhp12.hku.hk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27GhdYY021043 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:43:40 +0800 (EAT) Received: from cardioresponder.kinesiology.hsc.uwo.ca (cardioresponder.kinesiology.hsc.uwo.ca [129.100.136.91]) by imp.webmail.hku.hk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:43:39 +0800 Message-ID: <1110213819.422c84bb710c5@imp.webmail.hku.hk> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:43:39 +0800 From: saviow@graduate.hku.hk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, May I ask you a question? I am going to carry out a handgrip study which I would like to use DMDX to present the stimuli to the participants and to use powerlab to record the strength of the handgrip applied by the participants. My question is: is there any method that I can display both the stimuli (from dmdx) and the readings from powerlab (a small window showing the strength of handgrip) to the participant via the same monitor? so that the participants are informed when to squeeze the handgrip and how hard they squeezed it. many thanks, savio From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 10:23:14 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27HN9FJ011609 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:23:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A016A83684 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2F6A7CF5B for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:23:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307102128.00bb0b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:23:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously In-Reply-To: <1110213819.422c84bb710c5@imp.webmail.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:43 AM 3/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi All, > >May I ask you a question? I am going to carry out a handgrip study which >I would like to use DMDX to present the stimuli to the participants and >to use powerlab to record the strength of the handgrip applied by the >participants. My question is: is there any method that I can display >both the stimuli (from dmdx) and the readings from powerlab (a small >window showing the strength of handgrip) to the participant via the same >monitor? so that the participants are informed when to squeeze the >handgrip and how hard they squeezed it. Without two displays, no. With a second display you can easily start the power grip program first, move it onto the second display and as long as you don't need to interact with it DMDX can run on the primary display. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 10:30:02 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27HBoFJ011515 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:11:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FA0A6E364 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:11:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAB9A835EC for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:11:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307100943.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:11:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Analyze 2.06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list There's a new version of Analyze, 2.06, in the DMDXUTILS zip file: When the .spc file specifies both an SD cutoff and an absolute cutoff, it makes a difference which is applied first. Version 2.04 of ANALYZE calculated and applied the SD cutoffs first and then applied the absolute cutoffs. This has the disadvantage that extreme outliers will affect the SD cutoffs. It makes more sense to first rule out extreme outliers using absolute cutoffs, and then calculate and apply the SD cutoffs. This is the procedure followed in version 2.06 of ANALYZE. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 12:35:08 2005 Received: from langate.gsu.edu (langate.gsu.edu [131.96.2.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27JYlFJ012339 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:34:48 -0700 Received: from mailsrv21.gsu.edu not authenticated [131.96.2.14] by langate.gsu.edu with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.22.1.5 $ on Novell NetWare; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:34:47 -0500 Received: from IAGATE2-MTA by mailsrv21.gsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:34:40 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:34:32 -0500 From: "Nan Jiang" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Analyze 2.06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, Thanks for doing that. It makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for everything. Best, Nan Jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 03/07/05 12:11 pm >>> There's a new version of Analyze, 2.06, in the DMDXUTILS zip file: When the .spc file specifies both an SD cutoff and an absolute cutoff, it makes a difference which is applied first. Version 2.04 of ANALYZE calculated and applied the SD cutoffs first and then applied the absolute cutoffs. This has the disadvantage that extreme outliers will affect the SD cutoffs. It makes more sense to first rule out extreme outliers using absolute cutoffs, and then calculate and apply the SD cutoffs. This is the procedure followed in version 2.06 of ANALYZE. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 13:47:19 2005 Received: from hkuhp12.hku.hk (hkuhp12.hku.hk [147.8.2.62]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27KaXFJ012709 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:36:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (webmail01.hku.hk [147.8.2.175]) by hkuhp12.hku.hk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27KaUgj005038 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:36:30 +0800 (EAT) Received: from cardioresponder.kinesiology.hsc.uwo.ca (cardioresponder.kinesiology.hsc.uwo.ca [129.100.136.91]) by imp.webmail.hku.hk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:36:30 +0800 Message-ID: <1110227790.422cbb4e9ff00@imp.webmail.hku.hk> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:36:30 +0800 From: saviow@graduate.hku.hk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307102128.00bb0b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307102128.00bb0b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, Thanks for your suggestion. Indeed, this is an fMRI experiment which makes it difficult to have second display. Is it possible to run DMDX within a window (not fullscreen)? many thanks, savio Quoting "Jonathan C. Forster" : > At 12:43 AM 3/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >May I ask you a question? I am going to carry out a handgrip study which > >I would like to use DMDX to present the stimuli to the participants and > >to use powerlab to record the strength of the handgrip applied by the > >participants. My question is: is there any method that I can display > >both the stimuli (from dmdx) and the readings from powerlab (a small > >window showing the strength of handgrip) to the participant via the same > >monitor? so that the participants are informed when to squeeze the > >handgrip and how hard they squeezed it. > > Without two displays, no. With a second display you can easily start > the power grip program first, move it onto the second display and as long > as you don't need to interact with it DMDX can run on the primary display. > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 7 14:43:52 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j27Lh6FJ013099 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:43:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935D9A7DA93 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B09A836EC for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:43:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307144143.00ba4d10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:43:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously In-Reply-To: <1110227790.422cbb4e9ff00@imp.webmail.hku.hk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050307102128.00bb0b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050307102128.00bb0b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:36 AM 3/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >Thanks for your suggestion. Indeed, this is an fMRI experiment which makes it >difficult to have second display. Is it possible to run DMDX within a window >(not fullscreen)? I belive that would be covered by the "Without two displays, no." /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 10 08:12:14 2005 Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2AFAGFJ027744 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:10:17 -0700 Received: from [134.226.1.136] by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:10:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:10:08 +0000 Message-ID: <41FFB4A600035C4C@ms001msg.mail.fw> From: "Annalisa Setti" Subject: [DMDX] multiple keys feedback To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I?m writing to the mailing list because I am stuck with my dmdx code (forgive me, I?m a beginner). I need to enable 4 different response keys (1,2,3,4) and I need for each item to obtain a feedback on the response, e.g. if in item 1 the correct response is 4, and the participant press 4 I would like a positive feedback, if instead, he/she presses 1 or 2 or 3, I would like a negative feedback I wrote this bit of code, but it doesn?t work $ 0 "Remember 1 = object A, 2 = object B, 3 = object C, 4 = object D"; 0 "Press the spacebar to begin"; $ +1 "++"/ / * "targetA.avi.avi"/ / ; the same here +2 "++"/ / * "targetB.avi.avi"/ / ; I would be great if someone could have a look and help me. Thanks a lot Annalisa Annalisa Setti, Post Doc. Psychology Department of Psychology University of Bologna (Italy) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 10 09:59:09 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2AGwsFJ028033 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:58:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213D6A80AB1 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:58:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E90A8134D for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:58:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050310095454.00ba4d50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:58:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: multiple keys feedback In-Reply-To: <41FFB4A600035C4C@ms001msg.mail.fw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:10 PM 3/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all, >I?m writing to the mailing list because I am stuck with my dmdx code (forgive >me, I?m a beginner). I need to enable 4 different response keys (1,2,3,4) >and I need for each item to obtain a feedback on the response, e.g. if in >item 1 the correct response is 4, and the participant press 4 I would like >a positive feedback, if instead, he/she presses 1 or 2 or 3, I would like >a negative feedback >I wrote this bit of code, but it doesn?t work > > "+3"> 1024, 16, 75> >$ >0 "Remember 1 = object A, 2 = object B, 3 = object C, 4 = object D"; >0 "Press the spacebar to begin"; >$ >+1 "++"/ / * > "targetA.avi.avi"/ / ; > >the same here > >+2 "++"/ / * > "targetB.avi.avi"/ / ; If you want feedback you don't want it turned off with . And you probably want to map +4 in your items too... /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 10 10:29:38 2005 Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2AHTVFJ028158 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:29:32 -0700 Received: from [134.226.1.136] by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:29:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:29:23 +0000 Message-ID: <41FFB4A600036131@ms001msg.mail.fw> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050310095454.00ba4d50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> From: "Annalisa Setti" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: multiple keys feedback To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list That?s great, as simple as that! Thank you so much, once eliminated it works perfectly Annalisa Annalisa Setti, Post Doc. Psychology Department of Psychology University of Bologna (Italy) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 10 16:32:45 2005 Received: from mail-x.ad.life.unsw.edu.au (mail-x.science.unsw.edu.au [149.171.174.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2ANVQFJ030079 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:31:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:32:24 +1100 Message-ID: <81EFB02B4F41C34192AD7BEFE55007500490E6@mail-x.ad.life.unsw.edu.au> From: "Leah Campbell" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I have an enquiry about DMDX that I hoped someone might be able to answer. I'm trying to design an experiment which involves participants listening to a tone, and then reproducing that tone. Ideally I'd like the computer to emit a tone for a predetermined length of time (e.g. 4, 8, & 12 secs), and for the participant to reproduce that same tone (equal in pitch - it would just be the duration they have control of) by pressing a button on the keyboard or some other input device such as a joystick. The tone would be produced until they release the button. The data would then hopefully be stored in terms of millisecond/seconds. So they would hear a tone and then try to match the duration with a tone produced by them. Is that the sort of thing DMDX can do, and if so, how do I do it? Many thanks, Leah Campbell PhD Candidate School of Psychology University of New South Wales Australia Ph +61 02 9385 8758 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 11 08:10:45 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2BF9sFJ032719 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:09:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6968A8261B for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:09:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF61A77534 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:09:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050311075841.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:09:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX In-Reply-To: <81EFB02B4F41C34192AD7BEFE55007500490E6@mail-x.ad.life.unsw .edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:32 AM 3/11/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hello, > >I have an enquiry about DMDX that I hoped someone might be able to answer. > >I'm trying to design an experiment which involves participants listening >to a tone, and then reproducing that tone. Ideally I'd like the computer >to emit a tone for a predetermined length of time (e.g. 4, 8, & 12 secs), >and for the participant to reproduce that same tone (equal in pitch - it >would just be the duration they have control of) by pressing a button on >the keyboard or some other input device such as a joystick. The tone >would be produced until they release the button. The data would then >hopefully be stored in terms of millisecond/seconds. So they would hear a >tone and then try to match the duration with a tone produced by them. Is >that the sort of thing DMDX can do, and if so, how do I do it? I guess you could try using the abort item key. You'd want to set it to the release of a key, say -A, so that as the tone is playing them releasing the key would abort that item and stop the sound from playing. You'd want to have two item pairs, first item would present the tone that the duration has to be matched and wait for a request. You'd want to map the request to +A, have as low a delay parameter as you can (will depend on the machine but if you use the media life keyword on your sounds you should be able to get it down to one or two ticks) and the second item will start playing a really long tone and be aborted when they release the A key. You can map -A as a response key as well, looks like the code will allow such activity so you'll get the RT in the AZK file. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Creditors have much better memories than debtors. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 13 20:26:26 2005 Received: from cygnus.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp2.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.112]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2E3AeFJ010287 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:10:41 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #39368) id <01LLVU0GOUY8AE9LOK@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:10:34 +1100 Received: from RBBCOGNEURO2.unimelb.edu.au (rbbcogneuro2.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.172]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) with ESMTP id <01LLVU0GIMYWAOLWSY@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:10:34 +1100 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:11:27 +1100 From: Jacquie Snow Subject: [DMDX] acknowledging DMDX use To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <6.0.1.1.0.20050314140750.01d49ea8@home.staff.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CvZqzfoKecJ4tx8OjbBygQ)" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --Boundary_(ID_CvZqzfoKecJ4tx8OjbBygQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear Jonathon, I have been using DMDX for some of my experimental work. What is the best way to acknowledge the use of the program & developers in a published paper? Also, does this need to be an 'in text' reference, or a statement in the acknowledgements section? Many thanks, Jacquie Jacqueline C. Snow MPsych/PhD (Clin. Neuro.) candidate Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Victoria 3010, Australia --Boundary_(ID_CvZqzfoKecJ4tx8OjbBygQ) Content-type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Dear Jonathon,
I have been using DMDX for some of my experimental work.
What is the best way to acknowledge the use of the program & developers in a published paper? Also, does this need to be an 'in text' reference, or a statement in the acknowledgements section?

Many thanks,
Jacquie

Jacqueline C. Snow
MPsych/PhD (Clin. Neuro.) candidate
Cognitive Neuroscience Laboratory
Department of Psychology
University of Melbourne
Victoria 3010, Australia

 --Boundary_(ID_CvZqzfoKecJ4tx8OjbBygQ)-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 14 08:04:34 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2EF3YFJ011981 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2D6A81FB9 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5814A82D41 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050314080150.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:32 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: acknowledging DMDX use In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050314140750.01d49ea8@home.staff.unimelb.edu.a u> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:11 PM 3/14/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathon, >I have been using DMDX for some of my experimental work. >What is the best way to acknowledge the use of the program & developers in >a published paper? Also, does this need to be an 'in text' reference, or a >statement in the acknowledgements section? See Ken's page: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dmastr.htm The DMASTR software is distributed free of charge, and we ask only that you acknowledge use of the system in publications (e.g., "The experiment was run using the DMASTR software developed at Monash University and at the University of Arizona by K.I.Forster and J.C.Forster."). /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Creditors have much better memories than debtors. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 18 14:10:31 2005 Received: from web51002.mail.yahoo.com (web51002.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.133]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2IL8qFJ004183 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:08:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 39416 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2005 21:08:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20050318210846.39414.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.230.95.90] by web51002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:08:46 PST Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:08:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jackie Holloway Subject: [DMDX] "Missing Item Number" error message when item #'s are in place To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I've been having much luck with working out my errors on DMDX when they are encountered, but one here has got me stumped. I have pasted the script below. Now, I had almost identical script for another .rtf file, which runs fine. But with this one, I keep getting the error "Missing Item Number "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/;>" and that error comes up again for ".../+301..." as well. I've tried all of the help options, and looking through the list serve, but nothing seems to work. Am I overlooking something? I have also pasted the working script from my other .rtf file (below the dotted line) to show you the one that worked (if you wanted to see it). Thank you in advance for any help. -Jacqueline $0 "This is a trial experiment.", "If the following video clip plays in real time", "press the RIGHT shift key", "If the video clip does not play in real time", "press the LEFT shift key";$ $ 99 "LO_High_still_pic.bmp"/;$ +101 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +102 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +103 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +104 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +105 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +106 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +107 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +108 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +109 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +110 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +111 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +112 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +113 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +114 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +115 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +116 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +117 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +118 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; / +201 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +202 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +203 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +204 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +205 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +206 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +207 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +208 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +209 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +210 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +211 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +212 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +213 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +214 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +215 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +216 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +217 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +218 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; / +301 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +302 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +303 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +304 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +305 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +306 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +307 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +308 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +309 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +310 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +311 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; +312 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; +313 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +314 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; +315 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; +316 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; +317 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; +318 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; / $0 "This is the end of the experiment.", "Thank you for your participation!";$ ------------------------------------------------------- $0 "This is a trial experiment.", "If the following video clip plays in real time", "press the RIGHT shift key", "If the video clip does not play in real time", "press the LEFT shift key";$ +10 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; -11 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; -12 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; -13 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; +14 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; -15 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; -16 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; -17 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; -18 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; \ $0 "This is the end of the first block.", "When you are ready to begin the second block of trials", "press the spacebar.";$ \ +20 "APour_LO_Low_F2-02.avi" /*/; -21 "APour_LO_Low_F2-04.avi" /*/; -22 "APour_LO_Low_F2-06.avi" /*/; -23 "APour_LO_Low_F2-08.avi" /*/; . . etc. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 18 16:25:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2INPJFJ004995 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84ED0A83AC7 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FC2A83304 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318162431.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: "Missing Item Number" error message when item #'s are in place In-Reply-To: <20050318210846.39414.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You are using forward slashes (/) for scramble emit characters instead of back slashes (\). At 01:08 PM 3/18/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Hi, >I've been having much luck with working out my errors >on DMDX when they are encountered, but one here has >got me stumped. I have pasted the script below. Now, >I had almost identical script for another .rtf file, >which runs fine. But with this one, I keep getting >the error "Missing Item Number >"APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/;>" and that error >comes up again for ".../+301..." as well. >I've tried all of the help options, and looking >through the list serve, but nothing seems to work. Am >I overlooking something? I have also pasted the >working script from my other .rtf file (below the >dotted line) to show you the one that worked (if you >wanted to see it). Thank you in advance for any help. >-Jacqueline > > keyboard> +left shift> 1799> > >$0 "This is a trial experiment.", > "If the following video clip plays in real >time", >"press the RIGHT shift key", > "If the video clip does not play in real >time", > "press the LEFT shift key";$ >$ 99 "LO_High_still_pic.bmp"/;$ >+101 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+102 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+103 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+104 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+105 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+106 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+107 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+108 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+109 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; > >+110 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+111 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+112 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+113 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+114 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+115 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+116 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+117 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+118 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >/ >+201 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+202 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+203 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+204 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+205 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+206 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+207 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+208 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+209 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; > >+210 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+211 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+212 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+213 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+214 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+215 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+216 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+217 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+218 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >/ > >+301 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+302 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+303 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+304 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+305 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+306 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+307 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+308 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+309 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; > >+310 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+311 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >+312 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >+313 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+314 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >+315 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >+316 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >+317 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >+318 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >/ >$0 "This is the end of the experiment.", >"Thank you for your participation!";$ > >------------------------------------------------------- > > keyboard> > 1.5> >$0 "This is a trial experiment.", > "If the following video clip plays in real >time", >"press the RIGHT shift key", > "If the video clip does not play in real >time", > "press the LEFT shift key";$ >+10 "APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >-11 "APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >-12 "APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi" /*/; >-13 "APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi" /*/; >+14 "Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi" /*/; >-15 "Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi" /*/; >-16 "Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi" /*/; >-17 "Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi" /*/; >-18 "Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi" /*/; >\ >$0 "This is the end of the first block.", >"When you are ready to begin the second block of >trials", > "press the spacebar.";$ >\ >+20 "APour_LO_Low_F2-02.avi" /*/; >-21 "APour_LO_Low_F2-04.avi" /*/; >-22 "APour_LO_Low_F2-06.avi" /*/; >-23 "APour_LO_Low_F2-08.avi" /*/; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 21 08:24:32 2005 Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2LFMwFJ025388 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:22:59 -0700 Received: from [134.226.1.136] by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it with HTTP; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:22:49 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:22:49 +0000 Message-ID: <4235CA0A0000984D@ms001msg.mail.fw> From: "Annalisa Setti" Subject: [DMDX] counters To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear prof. Forster, For the training phase of my exp I have 4 prototypes that people have to recognize; ideally I need to count how many errors they do for each prototype and if in at least 1 prototype they do not do 80% correct they should start again. Unfortunately I was not able to do that, so I solved my probl by increasing the perc of correct that I want overall (90%) and use a simpler ?biert 10? function. Could you give me some suggestions on how set the four different counters as cue for the branching procedure, - I tried to set an error counter for just one prototype as trial but didn?t work -? I include my code for branching that seems to work, Thank you very much, sorry for the vagueness of my question. annalisa branching: $ 0 "This is object A, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 77 "+"/ / "prototA.avi.avi" / ; 0 "This is object B, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 78 "+"/ / "prototB.avi.avi" / ; 0 "This is object C, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 79 "+"/ / "prototC.avi.avi" / ; 0 "This is object D, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 80 "+"/ / "prototD.avi.avi" / ; 0 "Press the correspondent key to identify the object" ; 0 "If you make more than 90% error you will have to start again" ; 10000 / ; $ +1 "+"/ / * "prototA.avi.avi"/ /; +2 "+"/ / * "prototA.avi.avi"/ /; $ 999 / ; 0 "The End"; $ Annalisa Setti, Post Doc. Psychology Department of Psychology University of Bologna (Italy) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 21 15:43:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2LMfxFJ027956 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78461A77712 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86E5A83ED3 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321145004.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: counters In-Reply-To: <4235CA0A0000984D@ms001msg.mail.fw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You'll have to keep track of the error rates individually, the internal error rate counters will never do what you need. So for each prototype you'll need a counter for the number of correct responses and a counter for the total number of responses and then a branch that calculates the error rates and branches if any of them are too low. Correct response counters will be 10, 20, 30 and 40, totals will be 11, 12, 13 and 14. You'll want to repeat the 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000 items as many times as data points you wish to gather. The keywords are for debugging. 100 "start" ; +1000 "prototype 1 test" * ; +2000 "prototype 2 test" * ; +3000 "prototype 3 test" * ; +4000 "prototype 4 test" * ; +1000 "prototype 1 test" * ; +2000 "prototype 2 test" * ; +3000 "prototype 3 test" * ; +4000 "prototype 4 test" * ; +1000 "prototype 1 test" * ; +2000 "prototype 2 test" * ; +3000 "prototype 3 test" * ; +4000 "prototype 4 test" * ; 200 ; At 03:22 PM 3/21/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear prof. Forster, >For the training phase of my exp I have 4 prototypes that people have to >recognize; ideally I need to count how many errors they do for each prototype >and if in at least 1 prototype they do not do 80% correct they should start >again. Unfortunately I was not able to do that, so I solved my probl by >increasing >the perc of correct that I want overall (90%) and use a simpler ?biert 10? >function. >Could you give me some suggestions on how set the four different counters >as cue for the branching procedure, - I tried to set an error counter for >just one prototype as trial but didn?t work -? I include my code for branching >that seems to work, >Thank you very much, sorry for the vagueness of my question. >annalisa > >branching: > "+b"> 1024, 16, 75> >$ >0 "This is object A, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >77 "+"/ / "prototA.avi.avi" / ; >0 "This is object B, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >78 "+"/ / "prototB.avi.avi" / ; >0 "This is object C, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >79 "+"/ / "prototC.avi.avi" / ; >0 "This is object D, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >80 "+"/ / "prototD.avi.avi" / ; >0 "Press the correspondent key to identify the object" ; >0 "If you make more than 90% error you will have to start again" ; >10000 / ; >$ >+1 "+"/ / * 500> "prototA.avi.avi"/ /; >+2 "+"/ / * 500> "prototA.avi.avi"/ /; >$ >999 / ; >0 "The End"; $ > > >Annalisa Setti, >Post Doc. Psychology >Department of Psychology >University of Bologna (Italy) > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 21 18:31:21 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2M1V1FJ028550 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:31:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737AEA83528 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE16A825A2 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:31:01 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321182901.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:30:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: counters In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321145004.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <4235CA0A0000984D@ms001msg.mail.fw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:41 PM 3/21/2005 -0700, you wrote: >200 > > > > (c20 * 100 / c21 .lt. 80) .or. > (c30 * 100 / c31 .lt. 80) .or. > (c40 * 100 / c41 .lt. 80) >; That item should have a tilde in front of it, ~200 etc but it got eaten by the email system, go figure. That way it doesn't affect the display, wait for a request or do anything other than a branch and emitting the counters values. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 23 14:16:17 2005 Received: from web51008.mail.yahoo.com (web51008.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.139]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2NLEZFJ005018 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:14:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 86482 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2005 21:14:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20050323211429.86480.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.230.95.90] by web51008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:14:28 PST Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:14:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jackie Holloway Subject: [DMDX] Timing with dv's To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, We are trying to figure out some timing with videos. We are trying to have short videos play (each between 4-5 seconds), followed by a fixed 6 second ISI. I tried running a simple code to make sure that the d and fd parameters are timed correctly... 0 "start"; +1 * "first"/ !; +2 * "second"/ !; +3 * "third"/ !; 0 "stopped"; ...using the clock on times from the .zil output file to measure the msec's between items -works fine. I then tried that with my dv file... 0 "This is a trial experiment.", "If the following video clip plays in real time", "press the RIGHT shift key", "If the video clip does not play in real time", "press the LEFT shift key"; ^99 * "LO_High_still_pic.bmp"/; +10 * "APour_LO_High_F2-02cut.avi" / !; -11 * "APour_LO_High_F2-04cut.avi" / !; -12 * "APour_LO_High_F2-06cut.avi" / !; -13 * "APour_LO_High_F2-08cut.avi" / !; +14 * "Pour_LO_High_F2-Origcut.avi" / !; -15 * "Pour_LO_High_F2-01cut.avi" / !; -16 * "Pour_LO_High_F2-02cut.avi" / !; -17 * "Pour_LO_High_F2-03cut.avi" / !; -18 * "Pour_LO_High_F2-04cut.avi" / !; 0 "This is the end of the experiment.", "Thank you for your participation!"; ...But when I check the timing, the first clock on time is 348 msec slow, then the next is 431 msec slow, and it keeps increasing like that. Even if I eliminate the in my header line, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference in my .zil file output. I also tried putting a switch before each dv item (since each video is a different length) and that didn't fix the timing either. How might I set the frame durations for each video, being each a different length, while also having a 30 second still picture at the beginning? Is the time discrepancy in my .zil file due to the video loading time? I read about how to pre-load a bitmap (putting a 'g' in the item line), but I don't think you can pre-load movies. I would greatly appreciate if you have any clarification for this. Thank you much __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 23 17:30:33 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2O0TpFJ005974 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF5DA83129 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E399A83B3A for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050323171845.00ba4c90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing with dv's In-Reply-To: <20050323211429.86480.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:14 PM 3/23/2005 -0800, you wrote: >didn't fix the timing either. How might I set the >frame durations for each video, being each a different >length, while also having a 30 second still picture at >the beginning? Nothing leaps to mind, the duration of those frames is going to be set by the duration of the video file. You'd have to know the duration of the files and pad them with blank frames of appropriate durations. > Is the time discrepancy in my .zil >file due to the video loading time? Possible but 360 ticks should be more than long enough -- then again maybe your computer is really slow. TimeDX's Digital Video test displays some stats, like the Run Transition Time, you might want to play the files and see what those values are. > I read about how >to pre-load a bitmap (putting a 'g' in the item line), >but I don't think you can pre-load movies. Look at the keyword, it works for Digital Video. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 23 20:07:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2O2r4FJ006252 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:53:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F38A83F93 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:53:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF04A83122 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:53:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050323194854.00ba45a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:53:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing with dv's In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050323171845.00ba4c90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <20050323211429.86480.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:29 PM 3/23/2005 -0700, you wrote: >At 01:14 PM 3/23/2005 -0800, you wrote: >>didn't fix the timing either. How might I set the >>frame durations for each video, being each a different >>length, while also having a 30 second still picture at >>the beginning? > > Nothing leaps to mind, the duration of those frames is going to be set > by the duration of the video file. You'd have to know the duration of > the files and pad them with blank frames of appropriate durations. It's faintly possible that you could specify the durations of the frames playing the video to be longer than the video with something like this: +1 * "name" <%ms 30000> / ; But there's a bunch of mechanisms in there that take into account that the rest of the item is to begin when the video finishes so I'm not betting that overriding the frame's duration isn't going to work. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 24 10:17:11 2005 Received: from srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr (postfix@srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr [194.199.40.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2OHGPFJ008815 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:16:25 -0700 Received: from srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D546CF4A for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:22:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr (l034.univ-bpclermont.fr [192.168.111.126]) by srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5B26CF36 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:22:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4242F5E4.50602@srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:16:20 +0100 From: Cyril BERNARD MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Is it possible to stop playing a long WAV file with mouse or keyboard input ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, in order to measure time perception with auditive stimuli, I tried to build a program DMDX. Here is the detail of the experiment. I would like a first sound (demo sound) to be played for a defined time (i.e. 4 seconds) on my computer. The sound is a simple note, recorded in a 4 seconds long WAV file. Then, the same sound would be played for an undefined duration (test sound). I am using a 1 minute long WAV file so that the maximum response time can't be much long. The user would have to click with the mouse when he thinks that the sound has reached the same duration than the first sound (demo sound). When he clicks, the test sound would stop and the time between the beginning of the test sound and the click would be written in the output ascii file. And then the next item, with the same principle, would be starting. My problem is that when I begin to play the test sound with DMDX, and when the user clicks, the sound goes on playing until the end of the WAV file. Here's a sample of the script I am using : +1001 / / "4s" / / * "1min" ; +1002 / / "2s" / / * "1min" ; I wonder if my problem can be treated with a software like DMDX, or if I have to use another software. I would be grateful for your help on this subject. Thanks a lot for your attention. Cyril BERNARD University of Clermont-Ferrand. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 24 10:42:11 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2OHg5FJ009019 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:42:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6234AA83E6C for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC492A8414B for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:42:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050324103857.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:42:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Is it possible to stop playing a long WAV file with mouse or keyboard input ? In-Reply-To: <4242F5E4.50602@srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Set the abort item key with to the same key as the response is mapped to. With any luck the response will be be processed before the abort code kicks in. At 06:16 PM 3/24/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >in order to measure time perception with auditive stimuli, I tried to >build a program DMDX. > >Here is the detail of the experiment. >I would like a first sound (demo sound) to be played for a defined time >(i.e. 4 seconds) on my computer. The sound is a simple note, recorded in a >4 seconds long WAV file. >Then, the same sound would be played for an undefined duration (test >sound). I am using a 1 minute long WAV file so that the maximum response >time can't be much long. >The user would have to click with the mouse when he thinks that the sound >has reached the same duration than the first sound (demo sound). When he >clicks, the test sound would stop and the time between the beginning of >the test sound and the click would be written in the output ascii file. >And then the next item, with the same principle, would be starting. > >My problem is that when I begin to play the test sound with DMDX, and when >the user clicks, the sound goes on playing until the end of the WAV file. >Here's a sample of the script I am using : > >+1001 / / "4s" / / * "1min" ; >+1002 / / "2s" / / * "1min" ; > >I wonder if my problem can be treated with a software like DMDX, or if I >have to use another software. > >I would be grateful for your help on this subject. Thanks a lot for your >attention. > >Cyril BERNARD >University of Clermont-Ferrand. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 24 23:36:09 2005 Received: from web51109.mail.yahoo.com (web51109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.130]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2P6YOFJ012236 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:34:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 83811 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2005 06:34:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20050325063419.83809.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [220.130.88.204] by web51109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:18 PST Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:34:18 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Chiu Subject: [DMDX] Questions about sound files of DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1112250019-1111732458=:62787" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1112250019-1111732458=:62787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all: I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with these problems. My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an apple") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat') through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the onset of the question. The script looks like this: N160 s160 f38 +889 / "+"/ "an apple"/ / * "Q1.wav" / ; As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or could it be any bugs? Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be reliable? Thank you ! Have a great day! sincere wishes, Chuck --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --0-1112250019-1111732458=:62787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Dear all:
  I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with these problems.
  My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an apple") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat') through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the onset of the question. The script looks like this:

N160 s160 <azk> <cr> f38 <t 3600> <dwc 000000000> <dbc 255255255> <id "keyboard"> <mr +Space> <id "RecordVocal"> <nfb> <id "digitalvox"> <eop> 

+889   <ms% 2000>/ "+"/<dbc 255255255> <dwc 000000000> "an apple"/ <ms% 500> / * <wav 2> "Q1.wav" / ;

  As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or could it be any bugs?
  Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be reliable?
 
  Thank you !  Have a great day!
 
sincere wishes,
Chuck

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Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --0-1112250019-1111732458=:62787-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 25 07:10:32 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2PDk7FJ013731 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:46:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FC6A7E8A2 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:46:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C3EA83073 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:46:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050325064311.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:45:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Questions about sound files of DMDX In-Reply-To: <20050325063419.83809.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list As mentioned elsewhere classic RecordVocal is busted when used with the DigitalVOX on most people's machines. Use the RecordVocal device with a parameter to specify how long to record after the VOX has triggered. For example, . At 10:34 PM 3/24/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Dear all: > I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I > found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with > these problems. > My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an > apple") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat') > through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the > question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the > onset of the question. The script looks like this: > >N160 s160 f38 "keyboard"> > >+889 / "+"/ "an apple"/ 500> / * "Q1.wav" / ; > As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. > However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are > contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure > how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds > before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be > contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice > detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes > the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the > duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter > than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or > could it be any bugs? > Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know > whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to > be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be > reliable? > > Thank you ! Have a great day! > >sincere wishes, >Chuck > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - >Try >our new resources site! /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 25 08:10:14 2005 Received: from web51103.mail.yahoo.com (web51103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.145]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2PF9tFJ014036 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:09:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 26703 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2005 15:09:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20050325150949.26698.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [220.130.88.204] by web51103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:09:49 PST Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Chiu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Questions about sound files of DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1735354980-1111763389=:26090" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1735354980-1111763389=:26090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Prof. Forster: Do you think the RTs are still reliable? Or should I remove those RTs from analyses? Thank you. Chuck "j.c.f." wrote: As mentioned elsewhere classic RecordVocal is busted when used with the DigitalVOX on most people's machines. Use the RecordVocal device with a parameter to specify how long to record after the VOX has triggered. For example, . At 10:34 PM 3/24/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Dear all: > I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I > found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with > these problems. > My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an > apple") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat') > through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the > question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the > onset of the question. The script looks like this: > >N160 s160 f38 >"keyboard"> > >+889 / "+"/ "an apple"/ >500> / * "Q1.wav" / ; > As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. > However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are > contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure > how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds > before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be > contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice > detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes > the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the > duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter > than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or > could it be any bugs? > Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know > whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to > be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be > reliable? > > Thank you ! Have a great day! > >sincere wishes, >Chuck > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - >Try >our new resources site! /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Hi Prof. Forster:
  Do you think the RTs are still reliable? Or should I remove those RTs from analyses?
  Thank you.
 
Chuck

"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:

As mentioned elsewhere classic RecordVocal is busted when used with the
DigitalVOX on most people's machines. Use the RecordVocal device with a
parameter to specify how long to record after the VOX has triggered. For
example, .

At 10:34 PM 3/24/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Dear all:
> I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I
> found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with
> these problems.
> My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an
> apple") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat')
> through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the
> question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the
> onset of the question. The script looks like this:
>
>N160 s160 f38 >"keyboard">
>
>+889 / "+"/ "an apple"/ >500> / * "Q1.wav" / ;
> As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms.
> However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are
> contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure
> how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds
> before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be
> contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice
> detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes
> the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the
> duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter
> than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or
> could it be any bugs?
> Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know
> whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to
> be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be
> reliable?
>
> Thank you ! Have a great day!
>
>sincere wishes,
>Chuck
>
>
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Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --0-1735354980-1111763389=:26090-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 25 11:09:19 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2PI8JFJ015104 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:08:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9CCA84171 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:08:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B45A83D2C for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:08:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050325110723.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:08:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Questions about sound files of DMDX In-Reply-To: <20050325150949.26698.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6667> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:09 AM 3/25/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Prof. Forster: > Do you think the RTs are still reliable? Or should I remove those RTs > from analyses? Our experience has been that they aren't reliable. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 26 13:59:52 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2QKwRFJ021508 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEEEA8319D for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD79A8439A for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050326135433.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] RecordVocal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Forgot to mention in the last reply I made about classic mode RecordVocal's data not being reliable, it's reliable under Windows ME and probably all the 9X variants. It's only under XP that classic mode is busted and given that absolutely no one wanted it's functionality given the enhanced mode there was no incentive to go make it work. If I do anything at this stage it'll be to disable it outright as I can no longer (or more precisely not easily) test ME or 9X functionality. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 27 18:17:06 2005 Received: from web51102.mail.yahoo.com (web51102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.144]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2S1EAFJ029779 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:14:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 23824 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2005 01:14:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20050328011400.23822.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [220.130.88.204] by web51102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:14:00 PST Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:14:00 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Chiu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RecordVocal To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1265005514-1111972440=:20102" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1265005514-1111972440=:20102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Sir! thank you very much for letting me know. As a lab assistant, I can now tell all other assistants and new comers about the DMDX more. Thank you. best wishes, Chuck "j.c.f." wrote: Forgot to mention in the last reply I made about classic mode RecordVocal's data not being reliable, it's reliable under Windows ME and probably all the 9X variants. It's only under XP that classic mode is busted and given that absolutely no one wanted it's functionality given the enhanced mode there was no incentive to go make it work. If I do anything at this stage it'll be to disable it outright as I can no longer (or more precisely not easily) test ME or 9X functionality. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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Dear Sir!
  thank you very much for letting me know. As a lab assistant, I can now tell all other assistants and new comers about the DMDX more. Thank you.
 
best wishes,
Chuck

"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:

Forgot to mention in the last reply I made about classic mode
RecordVocal's data not being reliable, it's reliable under Windows ME and
probably all the 9X variants. It's only under XP that classic mode is
busted and given that absolutely no one wanted it's functionality given the
enhanced mode there was no incentive to go make it work. If I do anything
at this stage it'll be to disable it outright as I can no longer (or more
precisely not easily) test ME or 9X functionality.
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Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --0-1265005514-1111972440=:20102-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 28 07:33:02 2005 Received: from web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com (web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com [202.43.200.207]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2SEVkFJ001230 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:31:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20050328143140.62813.qmail@web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.62.190.173] by web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:31:40 CST Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:31:40 +0800 (CST) From: jessie peng Subject: [DMDX] question about randomization To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I have problems about randomization in my experiment using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the mailing list. There are four conditions in my experiment and I want them to appear in fixed order. In each condition, there are six blocks and I want them to appear randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file followed by three randomized items. How can I make it work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and each condition has two blocks): N78 f38 $ 0 "Intro.bmp" ; 250 / ; $ 0 "homo-seg set1"; +1 "+" // *"¸õ" / /; +2 "+" // *"Åx" / /; +3 "+" // *"Å}" / /; 0 "homo-seg set2"; +4 "+" // *"¼Ó" / /; +5 "+" // *"¨í" / /; +6 "+" // *"·I" / /; 0 "homo-fea set1"; +7 "+" // *"¸õ" / /; +8 "+" // *"Åx" / /; +9 "+" // *"±i" / /; 0 "homo-fea set2"; +10 "+" // *"©ñ" / /; +11 "+" // *"¼s" / /; +12 "+" // *"Å}" / /; Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with DMDX before? Any help would be appreciated a lot. -Jessie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? µn°O§K¶Oªº @yahoo.com ¤¤¤å¹q¤l¶l¥ó @ http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 28 08:37:12 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2SFaxFJ001641 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFB3A82B5C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E4CA82DF7 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050328082618.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about randomization In-Reply-To: <20050328143140.62813.qmail@web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:31 PM 3/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi all, >I have problems about randomization in my experiment >using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the >mailing list. >There are four conditions in my experiment and I want >them to appear in fixed order. Then you want to have a scramble emit command, the back slash, between each block at the start of a line. Like this: \ > In each condition, >there are six blocks and I want them to appear >randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file >followed by three randomized items. How can I make it >work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? You'll have to use the multi-scrambling options for such a complex job. There's an example in the help that's almost exactly what you want, look at http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhmultiscramblingscramblekeyword.htm Your backslash mentioned above will have to become a but other than that it's a direct rip from the first example. >Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose >there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and >each condition has two blocks): > >N78 f38 000000000> > >$ >0 "Intro.bmp" ; >250 / ; >$ > >0 "homo-seg set1"; >+1 "+" // *"¸õ" >/ /; >+2 "+" // *"Åx" >/ /; >+3 "+" // *"Å}" >/ /; > >0 "homo-seg set2"; >+4 "+" // *"¼Ó" >/ /; >+5 "+" // *"¨í" >/ /; >+6 "+" // *"·I" >/ /; > >0 "homo-fea set1"; >+7 "+" // *"¸õ" >/ /; >+8 "+" // *"Åx" >/ /; >+9 "+" // *"±i" >/ /; > >0 "homo-fea set2"; >+10 "+" // >*"©ñ" / /; >+11 "+" // >*"¼s" / /; >+12 "+" // >*"Å}" / /; > >Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with >DMDX before? Dozens of them. > Any help would be appreciated a lot. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 28 09:07:24 2005 Received: from psy.fsu.edu (psy.fsu.edu [128.186.66.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2SG7IFJ001899 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:07:18 -0700 Received: from keithlaptop (dhcp67215.psy.fsu.edu [128.186.67.215]) by psy.fsu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2SG7Dlm007525 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:07:13 -0500 From: "Keith F. Donohue" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about initial PIO card values Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c533b0$37d31c10$d743ba80@keithlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C53386.4EFD1410" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C53386.4EFD1410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Professor Forster and fellow DMDX users. I have a question about using DMDX to send out triggers with a PIO card. When I run an .rtf file in DMDX, I initially get "on" values (i.e. 1) on all of the bits that are set for output. In the past, I have ignored this, as it didn't seem to interfere with subsequent triggering. However, I am now running an experiment that uses an electric shock generator, and this initial output from DMDX triggers a large shock that I don't want (and I am sure my participants will not want either). Is there any way to suppress this (e.g. setting some parameter to make DMDX initially put "off" values on all of the bits)? =20 Thank you for your help. =20 =20 =20 Keith =20 =20 Keith F. Donohue =20 Graduate Student=20 Alcohol Studies Laboratory, Department of Psychology Florida State University Tallahassee, Florida =20 "In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer." - Albert Camus =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C53386.4EFD1410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Professor Forster and fellow DMDX users.  I have a question about using DMDX to send out triggers with a= PIO card.  When I run an .rtf file in DMDX, I initially get “on̶= 1; values (i.e. 1) on all of the bits that are set for output.  In the pa= st, I have ignored this, as it didn’t seem to interfere with subsequent triggering.  However, I am now running an experiment that uses an elec= tric shock generator, and this initial output from DMDX triggers a large shock t= hat I don’t want (and I am sure my participants will not want either).&nb= sp; Is there any way to suppress this (e.g. setting some parameter to make DMDX initially put “off” values on all of the bits)?

 

Thank you for your help.=

 

 

 

Keith

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C53386.4EFD1410-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 28 09:54:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2SGrKFJ002168 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:53:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89025A7DBD8 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:53:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816E5A82EDB for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:53:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050328095228.00ba4d58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:53:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about initial PIO card values In-Reply-To: <000501c533b0$37d31c10$d743ba80@keithlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1555780312==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_1555780312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:07 AM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Professor Forster and fellow DMDX users. I have a question about >using DMDX to send out triggers with a PIO card. When I run an .rtf file >in DMDX, I initially get on values (i.e. 1) on all of the bits that are >set for output. In the past, I have ignored this, as it didn t seem to >interfere with subsequent triggering. However, I am now running an >experiment that uses an electric shock generator, and this initial output >from DMDX triggers a large shock that I don t want (and I am sure my >participants will not want either). Is there any way to suppress this >(e.g. setting some parameter to make DMDX initially put off values on all >of the bits)? Yeah, the keyword can be used for that. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhrevertoutputkeyword.htm /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. --=====================_1555780312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:07 AM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote:

Hello Professor Forster and fellow DMDX users.  I have a question about using DMDX to send out triggers with a PIO card.  When I run an .rtf file in DMDX, I initially get on values (i.e. 1) on all of the bits that are set for output.  In the past, I have ignored this, as it didn t seem to interfere with subsequent triggering.  However, I am now running an experiment that uses an electric shock generator, and this initial output from DMDX triggers a large shock that I don t want (and I am sure my participants will not want either).  Is there any way to suppress this (e.g. setting some parameter to make DMDX initially put off values on all of the bits)?

  Yeah, the <RevertOutput> keyword can be used for that.

http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhrevertoutputkeyword.htm

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--=====================_1555780312==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 29 20:35:29 2005 Received: from web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com (web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com [202.43.200.210]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j2U3YGFJ010615 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:34:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Received: from [163.28.96.10] by web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:34:06 CST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:34:06 +0800 (CST) From: jessie peng Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1099404314-1112153646=:86078" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1099404314-1112153646=:86078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline µù¡G Âà±H¶l¥ó¤wªþ¥[¤W¥h I've read the Multi-Scarmbling keyword in the help. In the first extended parameter, what are and used for? When I do miltiscramble2.itm, should miltiscramble1.itm be inclueded in the same or have another following the first one? Thanks a lot for your help!! -Jessie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? µn°O§K¶Oªº @yahoo.com ¤¤¤å¹q¤l¶l¥ó @ http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com --0-1099404314-1112153646=:86078 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Apparently-To: jessie_0731@yahoo.com.tw via 202.43.200.213; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:41:45 +0800 Authentication-Results: mta161.mail.tpe.yahoo.com from=psy1.psych.arizona.edu; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) X-Originating-IP: [128.196.98.40] Return-Path: Received: from 128.196.98.40 (EHLO psy1.psych.arizona.edu) (128.196.98.40) by mta161.mail.tpe.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:41:45 +0800 Received: from psy1.psych.arizona.edu (IDENT:1002@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2SFbAFN001646; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:37:12 -0700 Received: (from petidomo@localhost) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4/Submit) id j2SFaxVV001645; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: psy1.psych.arizona.edu: petidomo set sender to DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu using -f Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2SFaxFJ001641 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFB3A82B5C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E4CA82DF7 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:58 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about randomization In-Reply-To: <20050328143140.62813.qmail@web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Content-Length: 1291 At 10:31 PM 3/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi all, >I have problems about randomization in my experiment >using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the >mailing list. >There are four conditions in my experiment and I want >them to appear in fixed order. Then you want to have a scramble emit command, the back slash, between each block at the start of a line. Like this: \ > In each condition, >there are six blocks and I want them to appear >randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file >followed by three randomized items. How can I make it >work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? You'll have to use the multi-scrambling options for such a complex job. There's an example in the help that's almost exactly what you want, look at http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhmultiscramblingscramblekeyword.htm Your backslash mentioned above will have to become a but other than that it's a direct rip from the first example. >Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose >there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and >each condition has two blocks): > >N78 f38 000000000> > >$ >0 "Intro.bmp" ; >250 / ; >$ > >0 "homo-seg set1"; >+1 "+" // *"¸õ" >/ /; >+2 "+" // *"Åx" >/ /; >+3 "+" // *"Å}" >/ /; > >0 "homo-seg set2"; >+4 "+" // *"¼Ó" >/ /; >+5 "+" // *"¨í" >/ /; >+6 "+" // *"·I" >/ /; > >0 "homo-fea set1"; >+7 "+" // *"¸õ" >/ /; >+8 "+" // *"Åx" >/ /; >+9 "+" // *"±i" >/ /; > >0 "homo-fea set2"; >+10 "+" // >*"©ñ" / /; >+11 "+" // >*"¼s" / /; >+12 "+" // >*"Å}" / /; > >Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with >DMDX before? Dozens of them. > Any help would be appreciated a lot. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --0-1099404314-1112153646=:86078-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 01:54:10 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2U8rLFJ011430 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:53:21 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DGYws-000400-KC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:53:14 +0100 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.1.20050330094703.02f13808@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:53:14 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization In-Reply-To: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> References: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, For everyone who has a randomisation problem: I have a program that can pseudo-randomise items according to a set of constrainst you can specify. It could be of help to you. You will have to randomise your items before running DmDX, of course, which is a bit more work, but on the other hand my program has many more options and this way you have the opportunity to check the order(s) before you run the experiment. There's even an option to prevent repeating patterns. You can download it, and a helpfile, at http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/maarten.van-casteren/Mix.htm Maarten van Casteren At 04:34 30/03/2005, you wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 >Content-Id: >Content-Disposition: inline >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by >psy1.psych.arizona.edu id j2U3ZQFJ010620 > > µù¡G Âà±H¶l¥ó¤wªþ¥[¤W¥h >I've read the Multi-Scarmbling keyword in the help. >In the first extended parameter, what are >and used for? When I do miltiscramble2.itm, >should miltiscramble1.itm be inclueded in the same > or have another following the first one? >Thanks a lot for your help!! > >-Jessie > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >µn°O§K¶Oªº @yahoo.com ¤¤¤å¹q¤l¶l¥ó @ http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: jessie_0731@yahoo.com.tw via 202.43.200.213; Mon, 28 Mar >2005 23:41:45 +0800 >Authentication-Results: mta161.mail.tpe.yahoo.com > from=psy1.psych.arizona.edu; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) >X-Originating-IP: [128.196.98.40] >Return-Path: >Received: from 128.196.98.40 (EHLO psy1.psych.arizona.edu) (128.196.98.40) > by mta161.mail.tpe.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:41:45 +0800 >Received: from psy1.psych.arizona.edu (IDENT:1002@localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id > j2SFbAFN001646; > Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:37:12 -0700 >Received: (from petidomo@localhost) > by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4/Submit) id j2SFaxVV001645; > Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 >X-Authentication-Warning: psy1.psych.arizona.edu: petidomo set sender to >DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu using -f >Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU >[128.196.133.142]) > by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id > j2SFaxFJ001641 > for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 >Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) > by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFB3A82B5C > for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 > -0700 (MST) >Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu >[128.196.237.6]) > by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E4CA82DF7 > for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:58 > -0700 (MST) >Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:56 -0700 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >From: "j.c.f." >Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about randomization >In-Reply-To: <20050328143140.62813.qmail@web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed >Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Precedence: list >Content-Length: 1291 >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by >psy1.psych.arizona.edu id j2U3ZQFJ010620 > >At 10:31 PM 3/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have problems about randomization in my experiment >>using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the >>mailing list. >>There are four conditions in my experiment and I want >>them to appear in fixed order. > > Then you want to have a scramble emit command, the back slash, between > each block at the start of a line. Like this: > >\ > >> In each condition, >>there are six blocks and I want them to appear >>randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file >>followed by three randomized items. How can I make it >>work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? > > You'll have to use the multi-scrambling options for such a complex > job. There's an example in the help that's almost exactly what you want, > look at > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhmultiscramblingscramblekeyword.htm > > Your backslash mentioned above will have to become a but other > than that it's a direct rip from the first example. > > >>Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose >>there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and >>each condition has two blocks): >> >>N78 f38 >000000000> >> >>$ >>0 "Intro.bmp" ; >>250 / ; >>$ >> >>0 "homo-seg set1"; >>+1 "+" // *"¸õ" >>/ /; >>+2 "+" // *"Åx" >>/ /; >>+3 "+" // *"Å}" >>/ /; >> >>0 "homo-seg set2"; >>+4 "+" // *"¼Ó" >>/ /; >>+5 "+" // *"¨í" >>/ /; >>+6 "+" // *"·I" >>/ /; >> >>0 "homo-fea set1"; >>+7 "+" // *"¸õ" >>/ /; >>+8 "+" // *"Åx" >>/ /; >>+9 "+" // *"±i" >>/ /; >> >>0 "homo-fea set2"; >>+10 "+" // >>*"©ñ" / /; >>+11 "+" // >>*"¼s" / /; >>+12 "+" // >>*"Å}" / /; >> >>Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with >>DMDX before? > > Dozens of them. > >> Any help would be appreciated a lot. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Where there is sugar, there are ants. > - Malaysian Proverb > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 01:58:33 2005 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2U8wRFJ011467 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:58:28 -0700 Received: from [137.111.48.204] (c5a204m.maccs.mq.edu.au [137.111.48.204]) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j2U8wQp19615 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:58:26 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Craig Richardson Subject: [DMDX] Computer name not recording in .azk file Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:58:21 +1000 Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, I've recently upgraded our DMDX labs from Windows 98 machines to new Windows XP (SP2) machines. The machines we got were Dell Dimension 8400s with ATI Radeon X300 video cards. I'm now only requiring people to only have user rights to the machines. This is to stop people bringing in and installing their own software onto them. These machines are optimised to run DMDX only and we want to keep it that way. One quirk we've noticed is that the computer name is not being recorded in the .azk file. Instead is being recorded in its place. When I log in with an administrator account the computer name is recorded. Does anyone have any ideas? thanks, Craig -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 02:43:45 2005 Received: from hsjdbcn.org (mail.hsjdbcn.org [62.81.177.228]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2U9hXFJ011610 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:43:33 -0700 Received: from [172.22.1.34] by hsjdbcn.org (MDaemon.PRO.v7.2.2.R) with ESMTP id md50000571409.msg for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:28:50 +0200 Message-ID: <424A7468.6030400@up.univ-mrs.fr> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:42:00 +0200 From: "F.-Xavier ALARIO" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu CC: Christophe Pallier Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization References: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20050330094703.02f13808@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20050330094703.02f13808@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list another program that does a similar job is Shuffle http://www.pallier.org/ressources/shuffle/shuffle.html Shuffle is written in Perl language and hence is compatible across platforms. x. > For everyone who has a randomisation problem: I have a program that can > pseudo-randomise items according to a set of constrainst you can specify. > It could be of help to you. > > You will have to randomise your items before running DmDX, of course, > which is a bit more work, but on the other hand my program has many > more options and this way you have the opportunity to check the order(s) > before you run the experiment. > > There's even an option to prevent repeating patterns. > > You can download it, and a helpfile, at > http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/maarten.van-casteren/Mix.htm > > Maarten van Casteren -- F.-Xavier ALARIO visiting : Grup de Recerca de Neurociència Cognitiva (GRNC) Parc Científic de Barcelona Hospital San Joan de Deu. Edifici Docent c/ Santa Rosa, 39-57 4ª Pta 08950 Esplugues - Barcelona +34 93 280 40 00 ext 4420 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 03:04:15 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2UA3lFJ011715 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:03:47 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DGa33-0004qk-Q8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:03:41 +0100 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.1.20050330105805.03165468@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:03:41 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization In-Reply-To: <424A7468.6030400@up.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20050330094703.02f13808@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> <424A7468.6030400@up.univ-mrs.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > another program that does a similar job is Shuffle > > http://www.pallier.org/ressources/shuffle/shuffle.html > > Shuffle is written in Perl language and hence is compatible across platforms. Yes, but Mix has more features, and will also randomise in blocks, fix certain items in place, format the output, allow order-constraints etc. So, it is much more versatile, although indeed limited to Windows. Maarten From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 08:16:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2UFFhFJ013249; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54294A83235; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9928A83F06; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050330081346.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Computer name not recording in .azk file In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:58 PM 3/30/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I've recently upgraded our DMDX labs from Windows 98 machines to new >Windows XP (SP2) machines. The machines we got were Dell Dimension 8400s >with ATI Radeon X300 video cards. > >I'm now only requiring people to only have user rights to the >machines. This is to stop people bringing in and installing their own >software onto them. These machines are optimised to run DMDX only and we >want to keep it that way. > >One quirk we've noticed is that the computer name is not being recorded in >the .azk file. Instead is being recorded in its >place. When I log in with an administrator account the computer name is >recorded. > >Does anyone have any ideas? It means that whatever function it is that I used for getting the machine's name isn't good for limited privileges. I'll have look at it some time and see if I can't find a better way to ascertain the machine's name. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 08:20:58 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2UFKrFJ013290 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:20:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AF2A83F60 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D169A83DB9 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:20:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050330081644.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:20:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization In-Reply-To: <20050330033406.87406.qmail@web17706.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:34 AM 3/30/2005 +0800, you wrote: > µù¡G Âà±H¶l¥ó¤wªþ¥[¤W¥h >I've read the Multi-Scarmbling keyword in the help. >In the first extended parameter, what are >and used for? Those are the S parameters for those scramble iterations like it says at the top of that page. > When I do miltiscramble2.itm, >should miltiscramble1.itm be inclueded in the same > or have another following the first one? You should never have to "do" miltiscramble2.itm, that is output that you can look at to check what's going wrong. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 10:47:55 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2UHlSFJ014176 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0F7A83F1E for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEF2A83EC5 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050330103638.00ba4d28@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.6 and TimeDX 3.1.06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list TimeDX 3.1.06 now has code in that overrides the use of a direct port address in the PIO test when the operating system doesn't allow direct port access. Prior to this it wouldn't enumerate those ports as choices when they weren't available, now it specifically won't allow their use even if you type a port number in. DMDX still won't check and will crash if you hack the registry to use a port address on a machine that's running NT, 2K or XP. DMDX 3.1.2.6 should now be able to determine the machine's name when running in a restricted privilege environment. Earlier it would ask for complete access to the registry key that contains the machine name even though it didn't need it, now it just asks for read access which should be available. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You should hardly ever equivocate. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 30 17:51:22 2005 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j2V0ncFJ016304 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:49:39 -0700 Received: from [137.111.48.204] (c5a204m.maccs.mq.edu.au [137.111.48.204]) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j2V0nYp28090 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:49:37 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050330103638.00ba4d28@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050330103638.00ba4d28@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <349fed58d77e4f2a51303b065bf91eb8@maccs.mq.edu.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig Richardson Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.1.2.6 and TimeDX 3.1.06 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:49:29 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thankyou Jonathan! Craig On 31/03/2005, at 3:47 AM, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > TimeDX 3.1.06 now has code in that overrides the use of a direct > port address in the PIO test when the operating system doesn't allow > direct port access. Prior to this it wouldn't enumerate those ports > as choices when they weren't available, now it specifically won't > allow their use even if you type a port number in. DMDX still won't > check and will crash if you hack the registry to use a port address on > a machine that's running NT, 2K or XP. > > DMDX 3.1.2.6 should now be able to determine the machine's name when > running in a restricted privilege environment. Earlier it would ask > for complete access to the registry key that contains the machine name > even though it didn't need it, now it just asks for read access which > should be available. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > You should hardly ever equivocate. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 4 09:42:21 2005 Received: from mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca (mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca [65.39.15.219]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j34Gf4FJ014716 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:41:04 -0700 Received: from (192.168.99.222) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 5360_9597593a_a528_11d9_84ab_00304824d47f; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server-192-168-99-248.lakeheadu.ca ([192.168.99.248] helo=postcode2) by mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DIUdI-0005kR-Kd for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:41:00 -0400 Received: from (192.168.99.248) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 5294_9367250a_a528_11d9_89c5_00304824d47f; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lucampus-192-168-83-103.lakeheadu.ca [192.168.83.103]) by postoffice.lakeheadu.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IEF00CU7L3OCQ@postoffice.lakeheadu.ca> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:40:59 -0400 From: Bruce Weaver Subject: [DMDX] Inhibition of return and spatial negative priming To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <42516E1B.9040000@lakeheadu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello folks. Has programmed either of the following with DMDX? 1. A basic attentional cuing paradigm as in the Posner & Cohen (1984) chapter on inhibition of return. 2. A spatial negative priming paradigm, where subjects select a target on the basis of some characteristic (e.g., colour), and report its location via key-press or joystick, etc. Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 4 09:47:38 2005 Received: from mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca (mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca [65.39.15.219]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j34GlWFJ014797 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:47:33 -0700 Received: from (192.168.99.222) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 5323_7d470032_a529_11d9_8de0_00304824d47f; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server-192-168-99-248.lakeheadu.ca ([192.168.99.248] helo=postcode2) by mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DIUjc-0006GB-G5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:47:32 -0400 Received: from (192.168.99.248) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 5323_7cf8edc0_a529_11d9_8de0_00304824d47f; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lucampus-192-168-83-103.lakeheadu.ca [192.168.83.103]) by postoffice.lakeheadu.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IEF00CQ9LEKCQ@postoffice.lakeheadu.ca> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:47:31 -0400 From: Bruce Weaver Subject: [DMDX] Re: Inhibition of return and spatial negative priming In-reply-to: <42516E1B.9040000@lakeheadu.ca> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <42516FA3.3050406@lakeheadu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <42516E1B.9040000@lakeheadu.ca> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list That should have read, "Has ANYONE programmed...", of course. Bruce Weaver wrote: > Hello folks. Has programmed either of the following with DMDX? > > 1. A basic attentional cuing paradigm as in the Posner & Cohen (1984) > chapter on inhibition of return. > > 2. A spatial negative priming paradigm, where subjects select a target > on the basis of some characteristic (e.g., colour), and report its > location via key-press or joystick, etc. > > Cheers, > Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 5 12:23:05 2005 Received: from mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca (mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca [65.39.15.219]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j35JLrFJ023409 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:21:54 -0700 Received: from (192.168.99.222) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 024f_396df840_a608_11d9_88c1_00304824d47f; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server-192-168-99-248.lakeheadu.ca ([192.168.99.248] helo=postcode2) by mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DItcW-0001IW-N1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:21:52 -0400 Received: from (192.168.99.248) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 0286_38a643c2_a608_11d9_9038_00304824d47f; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lucampus-192-168-83-103.lakeheadu.ca [192.168.83.103]) by postoffice.lakeheadu.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IEH00ISON7XMT@postoffice.lakeheadu.ca> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:21:50 -0400 From: Bruce Weaver Subject: [DMDX] Importing data to SPSS To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <4252E54E.4050800@lakeheadu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Matt Davis's script for importing data from .AZK files appears to produce a new file that has as a column of raw RTs for each subject. While this may be an improvement on the raw .AZK file, it is still not in the form needed for further processing in SPSS (or other stats packages). Perhaps SPSS users will find the following syntax file useful as an example of how to import directly to SPSS: http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/spss/import_from_AZK.txt It reads in the rows of the raw .AZK file as 80-character strings, then uses string manipulation functions to pull out the desired bits of information, and saves the data in a format that is amenable to further processing with the AGGREGAGE procedure. I also have it save the original string of info (about subject, scan rate, etc) so that if any of the info is needed, it can be easily obtained. Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 6 04:17:35 2005 Received: from mailhub2.une.edu.au (mailhub2.une.edu.au [129.180.1.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j36BGLFJ028637 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 04:16:21 -0700 Received: from pobox.une.edu.au (metz.une.edu.au [129.180.3.3]) by mailhub2.une.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D2F7E9F for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:16:15 +1000 (EST) Received: by pobox.une.edu.au (Postfix, from userid 20) id 9294A14D65; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:16:12 +1000 (EST) From: "Keith Majoos" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Dell Inspiron 6000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <20050406111612.9294A14D65@pobox.une.edu.au> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:16:12 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list All, Some few months ago now someone inquired about a Dell Inspiron 6000, well I'm thinking of buying a Dell Inspiron 6000UMA 1600GT. (dont know what the UMA 1600GT means) Does anyone know if the 6000 range works. I think it was Anna Woollams who said she was going to ordered one. I'd really appreciate it if someone could let me know if it worked, especially the UMA 1600GT version. warm regards, Keith Majoos Univ New England Armidale, NSW Australia From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 7 00:06:36 2005 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j376o8FJ004016 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:50:10 -0700 Received: from [137.111.48.204] (c5a204m.maccs.mq.edu.au [137.111.48.204]) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j376o1p06108 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:50:07 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <31d46c8885a3e3baa823c8604e4a71ca@maccs.mq.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Craig Richardson Subject: [DMDX] Version 3.1.2.6 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:49:57 +1000 Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, I've tried to download version 3.1.2.6 from http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/ however it seems to deliver 3.1.2.4 Is there another URL or has this version not been posted yet? cheers, Craig -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 7 06:01:39 2005 Received: from web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.42]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j37D0RFJ004996 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:00:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20050407130022.91512.qmail@web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.245.66.13] by web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:00:22 BST Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:00:22 +0100 (BST) From: KEVIN GLOVER Subject: [DMDX] SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-718574692-1112878822=:90983" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-718574692-1112878822=:90983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I need help with a couple of issues arising from my use of DMDX in a lexical decision experiment. 1.The SPC parameters include low_cutoff, ie discard RT's faster than x milliseconds. I am proposing to set the parameter to 200ms, but this is fairly arbitrary. I found two references to this in the Discussion Archive: one used 100ms and the other 300ms. I would be interested to know of others' views/experiences with this and/or to see parameter files used for similar experiments. Also, are there any published studies to which I could refer? 2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I have tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or I am doing something wrong! Many thanks if you are able to help. Kevin Glover University of Essex kjglov@essex.ac.uk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-718574692-1112878822=:90983 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I need help with a couple of issues arising from my use of DMDX in a lexical decision experiment.
 
1.The SPC parameters include low_cutoff, ie discard RT's faster than x milliseconds. I am proposing to set the parameter to 200ms, but this is fairly arbitrary. I found two references to this in the Discussion Archive: one used 100ms and the other 300ms.
 
I would be interested to know of others' views/experiences with this and/or to see parameter files used for similar experiments. Also, are there any published studies to which I could refer?
 
2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I have tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or I am doing something wrong!
 
Many thanks if you are able to help.
 
Kevin Glover
University of Essex

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-718574692-1112878822=:90983-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 7 09:48:53 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j37GmRFJ005701 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:48:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A271A7AAA3 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:48:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from KIFXP (mfg.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.29]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B0BA8E710 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:48:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:48:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c53b91$a12f5e60$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C53B56.F4D08660" In-Reply-To: <20050407130022.91512.qmail@web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C53B56.F4D08660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A low cutoff of 200 ms is usually used. This value is chosen on the = basis of the fact that if subjects are told to hit any key as soon as they see something on the screen, the RT will be around 200 ms. So anything = faster than that couldn't have involved normal processing. This cutoff is = seldom applied in a binary classification task, but it is quite important in a naming experiment, where preliminary lip smacks or heavy breathing can trigger the VOX and produce spurious RTs of 20 ms or less. =20 --k.i.f. =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of KEVIN GLOVER Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:00 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints =20 I need help with a couple of issues arising from my use of DMDX in a = lexical decision experiment. =20 1.The SPC parameters include low_cutoff, ie discard RT's faster than x milliseconds. I am proposing to set the parameter to 200ms, but this is fairly arbitrary. I found two references to this in the Discussion = Archive: one used 100ms and the other 300ms. =20 I would be interested to know of others' views/experiences with this = and/or to see parameter files used for similar experiments. Also, are there any published studies to which I could refer? =20 2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I = have tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or = I am doing something wrong! =20 Many thanks if you are able to help. =20 Kevin Glover University of Essex kjglov@essex.ac.uk Send instant messages to your online friends = http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C53B56.F4D08660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A low = cutoff of 200 ms is usually used.  This value is chosen on the basis of the = fact that if subjects are told to hit any key as soon as they see something = on the screen, the RT will be around 200 ms. So anything faster than that = couldn’t have involved normal processing.  This cutoff is seldom applied in = a binary classification task, but it is quite important in a naming = experiment, where preliminary lip smacks or heavy breathing can trigger the VOX and = produce spurious RTs of 20 ms or less.

 

--k.i.f.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu = [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of KEVIN GLOVER
Sent: Thursday, April 07, = 2005 6:00 AM
To: = DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: [DMDX] SPC File: = Low Cut-off / Screen Prints

 

I need help with a couple of issues arising from my use of DMDX = in a lexical decision experiment.

 

1.The SPC parameters include low_cutoff, ie discard RT's faster = than x milliseconds. I am proposing to set the parameter to 200ms, but = this is fairly arbitrary. I found two references to this in the Discussion = Archive: one used 100ms and the other 300ms.

 

I would be interested to know of others' views/experiences with = this and/or to see parameter files used for similar experiments. Also, = are there any published studies to which I could refer?

 

2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from = DMDX. I have tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not = work or I am doing something wrong!

 

Many thanks if you are able to help.

 

Kevin Glover

University of Essex

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com =

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C53B56.F4D08660-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 7 10:18:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j37HIZFJ005899 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:18:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34891A83C3C for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:18:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DA1A8E70B for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:18:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050407100407.00ba4b78@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:18:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints In-Reply-To: <20050407130022.91512.qmail@web86011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:00 PM 4/7/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I have >tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or I >am doing something wrong! I'd be real impressed if anything could do it. That said, if anything can HyperSnap-DX would be the product to do it with. You might have to use the DMDX For Really Bad Video Cards shortcut though. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 7 10:25:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j37HPfFJ005974 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:25:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563F0A832B6 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:25:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F206A7E682 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:25:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050407102336.00ba4b78@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:25:39 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Version 3.1.2.6 In-Reply-To: <31d46c8885a3e3baa823c8604e4a71ca@maccs.mq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:49 PM 4/7/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I've tried to download version 3.1.2.6 from >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/ > >however it seems to deliver 3.1.2.4 > >Is there another URL or has this version not been posted yet? How interesting, somehow the batch files have decided to start uploading dmdx.zip instead of DMDX.ZIP. I've manually fixed the DMDX.ZIP image and will see what's up with the scripts shortly. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 11 05:56:11 2005 Received: from web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.53]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j3BCsmFJ031430 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 05:54:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 67346 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2005 12:54:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050411125439.67344.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.77.111.70] by web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:54:39 BST Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:54:39 +0100 (BST) From: Nicholas Riches Subject: [DMDX] Query about video To: dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1004572272-1113224079=:66886" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1004572272-1113224079=:66886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is called NVIDIA Geforce. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Nick Riches Guys Hospital London Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1004572272-1113224079=:66886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is called NVIDIA Geforce.
 
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Nick Riches
Guys Hospital London

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1004572272-1113224079=:66886-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 11 08:31:57 2005 Received: from mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca (mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca [65.39.15.219]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3BFVSFJ032127 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:31:28 -0700 Received: from (192.168.99.222) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 6c3f_10677fd4_aa9f_11d9_8d99_00304824d47f; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server-192-168-99-248.lakeheadu.ca ([192.168.99.248] helo=postcode2) by mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DL0sl-0006Qx-7G for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:31:23 -0400 Received: from (192.168.99.248) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 6b71_0d52eedc_aa9f_11d9_9e88_00304824d47f; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lucampus-192-168-83-103.lakeheadu.ca [192.168.83.103]) by postoffice.lakeheadu.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IES00CR9GKI7K@postoffice.lakeheadu.ca> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:31:25 -0400 From: Bruce Weaver Subject: [DMDX] Experiment with 4 inputs plus start key To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <425A984D.5000802@lakeheadu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have a procedure in which subjects report the location of a target item (whilst ignoring another itme). There are 4 possible locations (up, down, left, right). In a Turbo Pascal implementation on older (DOS) machines, I used a digital joystick. It is not clear to me (from reading help files) whether DMDX can handle 4 inputs like this. Can it? Or is it limited to YES, NO, and START? Thanks, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 11 10:04:33 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3BH4TFJ032688 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:04:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E845A96B53 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:04:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2113A96CA8 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:04:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050411100346.00bc55c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:04:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Query about video In-Reply-To: <20050411125439.67344.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:54 PM 4/11/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in >TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). >However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all >bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate >colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is >called NVIDIA Geforce. > >Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Use a 24 bit video mode. Like . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 11 10:18:25 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3BGwiFJ032628 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:58:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A99A96854 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:58:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE69A95293 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:58:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050411095606.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:58:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Experiment with 4 inputs plus start key In-Reply-To: <425A984D.5000802@lakeheadu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:31 AM 4/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I have a procedure in which subjects report the location of a target item >(whilst ignoring another itme). There are 4 possible locations (up, down, >left, right). In a Turbo Pascal implementation on older (DOS) machines, I >used a digital joystick. > >It is not clear to me (from reading help files) whether DMDX can handle 4 >inputs like this. Can it? Or is it limited to YES, NO, and START? It can handle them. You can map and unmap keys as they are needed and for decisions with more than the usual number of DMDX choices see the keyword. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 11 11:10:56 2005 Received: from mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca (mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca [65.39.15.219]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3BIAYFJ000721 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:10:34 -0700 Received: from (192.168.99.222) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 6bc5_4a7896fc_aab5_11d9_9597_00304824d47f; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server-192-168-99-248.lakeheadu.ca ([192.168.99.248] helo=postcode2) by mta-scanner1.lakeheadu.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DL3Mk-0005zd-74 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:10:30 -0400 Received: from (192.168.99.248) by e500.lakeheadu.ca via smtp id 6baf_47f322e4_aab5_11d9_9cac_00304824d47f; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lucampus-192-168-83-103.lakeheadu.ca [192.168.83.103]) by postoffice.lakeheadu.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0IES00D97NXP30@postoffice.lakeheadu.ca> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:10:31 -0400 From: Bruce Weaver Subject: [DMDX] Re: Experiment with 4 inputs plus start key In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20050411095606.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <425ABD97.8080905@lakeheadu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050411095606.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > At 11:31 AM 4/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >> I have a procedure in which subjects report the location of a target >> item (whilst ignoring another itme). There are 4 possible locations >> (up, down, left, right). In a Turbo Pascal implementation on older >> (DOS) machines, I used a digital joystick. >> >> It is not clear to me (from reading help files) whether DMDX can >> handle 4 inputs like this. Can it? Or is it limited to YES, NO, and >> START? > > > It can handle them. You can map and unmap keys as they are needed and > for decisions with more than the usual number of DMDX choices see the > keyword. Thanks Jonathan. Does anyone have a simple example of using in this fashion? I didn't see it in any of the sample files I found on tutorial pages. Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 12 02:09:52 2005 Received: from web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j3C97jFJ003975 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 02:07:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 98026 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2005 09:07:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20050412090740.98024.qmail@web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [84.65.183.24] by web25103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:07:40 BST Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:07:40 +0100 (BST) From: Nicholas Riches Subject: [DMDX] Thanks problem sorted To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1514870654-1113296860=:97279" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1514870654-1113296860=:97279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks. Problem sorted. Nick Riches Guys Hospital, London "Jonathan C. Forster" wrote: At 01:54 PM 4/11/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in >TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). >However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all >bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate >colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is >called NVIDIA Geforce. > >Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Use a 24 bit video mode. Like . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. 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Thanks. Problem sorted.
 
Nick Riches
Guys Hospital, London

"Jonathan C. Forster" <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 01:54 PM 4/11/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in
>TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps).
>However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all
>bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate
>colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is
>called NVIDIA Geforce.
>
>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Use a 24 bit video mode. Like .


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Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1514870654-1113296860=:97279-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 13 04:37:15 2005 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-04.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.36]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j3DBZrFJ010176 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:35:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 3623 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2005 11:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO VIRGINIA) (203.217.45.17) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 13 Apr 2005 11:35:39 -0000 Message-ID: <008f01c5401c$eb089f80$0500a8c0@VIRGINIA> From: "Virginia M. Holmes" To: Subject: [DMDX] analyse and zil Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:35:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008C_01C54070.BB431E20" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C54070.BB431E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all The input file for my experiment asked for visual presentation, = consisting of an initial passage followed by five multiple-choice = questions, to which the subj pressed one of five numbers to indicate = their answer. I've tried to convert the zil results file into an azk = file so that I can use analyse. I did this by putting it into excel, = deleting which alternative they chose, and keeping the response time to = the initial passage and the questions and whether they were correct or = not. Then I put the excel file back into text format. I've achieved = this before, but I have learnt that analyse is very sensitive to format = changes. Although my file looks okay, I can't make analyse work. It = won't read the data somehow and thinks i have duplicated all the = subjects. it produces a series of noughts as output. Can anybody see = what I have done wrong? See below. Many thanks, Virginia Holmes P.S. Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that = the azk to columns program accepts it. Subjects incorporated to date: 38 =20 Data file started on machine PsychLab07 =20 ********************************************************************** = Subject 1, 04/06/2005 11:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID = MLLILLEY Item RT 1 47721 2 18441 3 16778 4 11903 5 37629 6 10257 7 58361 8 12697 9 8552 10 7726 11 7532 12 6509 13 53245 14 13567 15 -16684 16 7991 17 4936 18 3755 19 69001 20 4855 21 -19822 22 12254 23 9346 24 12864 25 72910 26 11206 27 7114 28 10502 29 -14836 30 6068 31 72585 32 10080 33 -8502 34 6278 35 25610 36 8011 37 67456 38 -4788 39 4614 40 -7539 41 6538 42 7079 43 66908 44 6514 45 10611 46 16622 47 7812 48 -6722 =20 ********************************************************************** = =20 Subject 2, 04/06/2005 12:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID = mcupples Item RT 1 33326 2 6124 3 -5123 4 5205 5 6952 6 -2350 7 98929 8 8185 9 4642 10 9965 11 11911 12 12308 13 37669 14 8915 15 6364 16 5064 17 27018 18 -2657 19 50364 20 -7771 21 12406 22 7465 23 6959 24 6203 25 77251 26 9322 27 6205 28 6316 29 8194 30 5205 31 53024 32 5880 33 12185 34 6328 35 6410 36 6739 37 67477 38 3470 39 3451 40 3461 41 6573 42 11877 43 68948 44 5226 45 6331 46 8910 47 6550 48 10737 =20 ********************************************************************** = =20 Subject 3, 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on PsychLab07, refresh 11.78ms ID = dbevan Item RT 1 40907 2 6259 3 5260 4 -3795 5 -9920 6 5534 7 58916 8 5716 9 4714 10 7732 11 7736 etc. Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C54070.BB431E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes
Department of = Psychology
University of=20 Melbourne
Parkville  3010
Australia
 
Tel:      (03) = 8344.6368
Facs:   (03)=20 9347.6618
------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C54070.BB431E20-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 13 08:12:27 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3DFBjFJ011125 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:11:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34808A97734 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:11:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7563AA9776C for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:11:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050413080411.00ba4640@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:11:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: analyse and zil In-Reply-To: <008f01c5401c$eb089f80$0500a8c0@VIRGINIA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You've got tabs in there instead of spaces, for instance between "Subjects" and "incorporated". Excel loves putting tabs in and DMDX never uses them so Analyze is thrown by their presence. I noticed someone here the other day having done the same thing (opened AZK files in Excel and saved them) that Excel had somehow changed the individual Subject header lines and we had to replace the word "Subject" with one pasted from and unmutilated AZK file. Even though it looked just the same Excel must have used some kind of extended character set character in there (I didn't stick it in my hex editor to check just what it was though). At 09:35 PM 4/13/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Dear all > > > >The input file for my experiment asked for visual presentation, consisting >of an initial passage followed by five multiple-choice questions, to which >the subj pressed one of five numbers to indicate their answer. I've tried >to convert the zil results file into an azk file so that I can use >analyse. I did this by putting it into excel, deleting which alternative >they chose, and keeping the response time to the initial passage and the >questions and whether they were correct or not. Then I put the excel file >back into text format. I've achieved this before, but I have learnt that >analyse is very sensitive to format changes. Although my file looks okay, >I can't make analyse work. It won't read the data somehow and thinks i >have duplicated all the subjects. it produces a series of noughts as >output. Can anybody see what I have done wrong? See below. > > > >Many thanks, > > > >Virginia Holmes > > > >P.S. Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that >the azk to columns program accepts it. > > > > > >Subjects incorporated to date: 38 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > >Data file started on machine PsychLab07 > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 1, 04/06/2005 11:16:10 >on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID MLLILLEY > > Item RT > > 1 47721 > > 2 18441 > > 3 16778 > > 4 11903 > > 5 37629 > > 6 10257 > > 7 58361 > > 8 12697 > > 9 8552 > > 10 7726 > > 11 7532 > > 12 6509 > > 13 53245 > > 14 13567 > > 15 -16684 > > 16 7991 > > 17 4936 > > 18 3755 > > 19 69001 > > 20 4855 > > 21 -19822 > > 22 12254 > > 23 9346 > > 24 12864 > > 25 72910 > > 26 11206 > > 27 7114 > > 28 10502 > > 29 -14836 > > 30 6068 > > 31 72585 > > 32 10080 > > 33 -8502 > > 34 6278 > > 35 25610 > > 36 8011 > > 37 67456 > > 38 -4788 > > 39 4614 > > 40 -7539 > > 41 6538 > > 42 7079 > > 43 66908 > > 44 6514 > > 45 10611 > > 46 16622 > > 47 7812 > > 48 -6722 > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 2, 04/06/2005 12:16:10 >on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID mcupples > > Item RT > > 1 33326 > > 2 6124 > > 3 -5123 > > 4 5205 > > 5 6952 > > 6 -2350 > > 7 98929 > > 8 8185 > > 9 4642 > > 10 9965 > > 11 11911 > > 12 12308 > > 13 37669 > > 14 8915 > > 15 6364 > > 16 5064 > > 17 27018 > > 18 -2657 > > 19 50364 > > 20 -7771 > > 21 12406 > > 22 7465 > > 23 6959 > > 24 6203 > > 25 77251 > > 26 9322 > > 27 6205 > > 28 6316 > > 29 8194 > > 30 5205 > > 31 53024 > > 32 5880 > > 33 12185 > > 34 6328 > > 35 6410 > > 36 6739 > > 37 67477 > > 38 3470 > > 39 3451 > > 40 3461 > > 41 6573 > > 42 11877 > > 43 68948 > > 44 5226 > > 45 6331 > > 46 8910 > > 47 6550 > > 48 10737 > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 3, 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on PsychLab07, refresh 11.78ms ID dbevan > > Item RT > > 1 40907 > > 2 6259 > > 3 5260 > > 4 -3795 > > 5 -9920 > > 6 5534 > > 7 58916 > > 8 5716 > > 9 4714 > > 10 7732 > > 11 7736 etc. > > > >Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes >Department of Psychology >University of Melbourne >Parkville 3010 >Australia > >Tel: (03) 8344.6368 >Facs: (03) 9347.6618 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 13 19:36:36 2005 Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j3E2ZRFJ014350 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:35:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 2078 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2005 02:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO VIRGINIA) (203.217.45.17) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 14 Apr 2005 02:35:18 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c5409a$98cd2690$0500a8c0@VIRGINIA> From: "Virginia M. Holmes" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050413080411.00ba4640@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: analyse and zil Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:35:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear all I looked for the tabs, but they must have arrived during transmission. I am embarassed to report that I finally noticed what ultimately was causing the problem (after I got the format right). Thanks for somehow inspiring me to think laterally. Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.c.f." To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:11 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: analyse and zil > > You've got tabs in there instead of spaces, for instance between > "Subjects" and "incorporated". Excel loves putting tabs in and DMDX never > uses them so Analyze is thrown by their presence. I noticed someone here > the other day having done the same thing (opened AZK files in Excel and > saved them) that Excel had somehow changed the individual Subject header > lines and we had to replace the word "Subject" with one pasted from and > unmutilated AZK file. Even though it looked just the same Excel must have > used some kind of extended character set character in there (I didn't > stick it in my hex editor to check just what it was though). > > At 09:35 PM 4/13/2005 +1000, you wrote: > >>Dear all >> >> >> >>The input file for my experiment asked for visual presentation, consisting >>of an initial passage followed by five multiple-choice questions, to which >>the subj pressed one of five numbers to indicate their answer. I've tried >>to convert the zil results file into an azk file so that I can use >>analyse. I did this by putting it into excel, deleting which alternative >>they chose, and keeping the response time to the initial passage and the >>questions and whether they were correct or not. Then I put the excel file >>back into text format. I've achieved this before, but I have learnt that >>analyse is very sensitive to format changes. Although my file looks okay, >>I can't make analyse work. It won't read the data somehow and thinks i >>have duplicated all the subjects. it produces a series of noughts as >>output. Can anybody see what I have done wrong? See below. >> >> >> >>Many thanks, >> >> >> >>Virginia Holmes >> >> >> >>P.S. Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that >>the azk to columns program accepts it. >> >> >> >> >> >>Subjects incorporated to date: 38 >ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> >> >>Data file started on machine PsychLab07 >> >> >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>Subject 1, 04/06/2005 11:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID >>MLLILLEY >> >> Item RT >> >> 1 47721 >> >> 2 18441 >> >> 3 16778 >> >> 4 11903 >> >> 5 37629 >> >> 6 10257 >> >> 7 58361 >> >> 8 12697 >> >> 9 8552 >> >> 10 7726 >> >> 11 7532 >> >> 12 6509 >> >> 13 53245 >> >> 14 13567 >> >> 15 -16684 >> >> 16 7991 >> >> 17 4936 >> >> 18 3755 >> >> 19 69001 >> >> 20 4855 >> >> 21 -19822 >> >> 22 12254 >> >> 23 9346 >> >> 24 12864 >> >> 25 72910 >> >> 26 11206 >> >> 27 7114 >> >> 28 10502 >> >> 29 -14836 >> >> 30 6068 >> >> 31 72585 >> >> 32 10080 >> >> 33 -8502 >> >> 34 6278 >> >> 35 25610 >> >> 36 8011 >> >> 37 67456 >> >> 38 -4788 >> >> 39 4614 >> >> 40 -7539 >> >> 41 6538 >> >> 42 7079 >> >> 43 66908 >> >> 44 6514 >> >> 45 10611 >> >> 46 16622 >> >> 47 7812 >> >> 48 -6722 >> >> >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>Subject 2, 04/06/2005 12:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID >>mcupples >> >> Item RT >> >> 1 33326 >> >> 2 6124 >> >> 3 -5123 >> >> 4 5205 >> >> 5 6952 >> >> 6 -2350 >> >> 7 98929 >> >> 8 8185 >> >> 9 4642 >> >> 10 9965 >> >> 11 11911 >> >> 12 12308 >> >> 13 37669 >> >> 14 8915 >> >> 15 6364 >> >> 16 5064 >> >> 17 27018 >> >> 18 -2657 >> >> 19 50364 >> >> 20 -7771 >> >> 21 12406 >> >> 22 7465 >> >> 23 6959 >> >> 24 6203 >> >> 25 77251 >> >> 26 9322 >> >> 27 6205 >> >> 28 6316 >> >> 29 8194 >> >> 30 5205 >> >> 31 53024 >> >> 32 5880 >> >> 33 12185 >> >> 34 6328 >> >> 35 6410 >> >> 36 6739 >> >> 37 67477 >> >> 38 3470 >> >> 39 3451 >> >> 40 3461 >> >> 41 6573 >> >> 42 11877 >> >> 43 68948 >> >> 44 5226 >> >> 45 6331 >> >> 46 8910 >> >> 47 6550 >> >> 48 10737 >> >> >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>Subject 3, 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on PsychLab07, refresh 11.78ms ID >>dbevan >> >> Item RT >> >> 1 40907 >> >> 2 6259 >> >> 3 5260 >> >> 4 -3795 >> >> 5 -9920 >> >> 6 5534 >> >> 7 58916 >> >> 8 5716 >> >> 9 4714 >> >> 10 7732 >> >> 11 7736 etc. >> >> >> >>Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes >>Department of Psychology >>University of Melbourne >>Parkville 3010 >>Australia >> >>Tel: (03) 8344.6368 >>Facs: (03) 9347.6618 > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Where there is sugar, there are ants. > - Malaysian Proverb > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Apr 22 00:51:52 2005 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3M7o75L022171 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:50:15 -0700 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-POST-1.9) with ESMTP id j3M7nwWx024571 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:49:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from ITP14448 ([137.154.107.236]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-PRE-1.9) with ESMTP id j3M7nvlE024520 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:49:57 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200504220749.j3M7nvlE024520@cooper.uws.edu.au> From: "Arman Abrahamyan" To: Subject: [DMDX] Timing problem with a fast computer Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:49:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C54763.B21D3480" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C54763.B21D3480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear DMDX community, I have got a problem with DMDX experiment running in the continuous mode ( parameter). In short, the experiment that should run 59.451 min (in diagnostic mode), finishes in about 46 min. Here is the parameter line I have used: ---- ---- and, an example of one trial: ----- 99 "Please count male face(s)" /; 1221 "cross.bmp" / ! "122.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 2111 "cross.bmp" / ! "211.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 1224 "cross.bmp" / ! "122.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 2224 "cross.bmp" / ! "222.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 1212 "cross.bmp" / ! "121.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 1213 "cross.bmp" / ! "121.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 1224 "cross.bmp" / ! "122.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; 2111 "cross.bmp" / ! "211.bmp" / "cross.bmp" / ; +1110100 * "Your response !!!"; 99 "Get ready for the next trial" /; ---- I am using Acer Travel Mate 8000 which has Pentium Mobile (Centrino) 2.2 GHz processor, 1.5 Gb RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 with 128 MB DDR RAM (good laptop for gamers). Didn't have any other problem running experiment on this machine until discovered the timing issue. In this experiment, the duration of one tick is 16.17 ms (determined by DMDX) and the vertical refresh rate is 60 Hz. I have another laptop (60Hz, tick=16.680ms), where the experiment runs at the right pace. Running the experiment on both laptops simultaneously showed difference in the presentation time after the forth item (see the example trial above). Would appreciate any idea about what could be a possible cause, and, more importantly, how to solve the puzzle. All the best, Arman -- Arman Abrahamyan Doctoral Student School of Psychology & MARCS Auditory Laboratories University of Western Sydney - Bankstown Campus Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South DC NSW 1797 Australia Phone: (+612) 9772 6660; Fax: (+612) 9772 6326 E-mail: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au WWW: http://marcs.uws.edu.au/people/abrahamyan/ ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C54763.B21D3480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear = DMDX community,=20
 
I have = got a problem=20 with DMDX experiment = running in the=20 continuous mode (<cr> parameter). In short, the experiment that = should run=20 59.451 min (in diagnostic mode), = finishes=20 in about 46 min.
Here is=20 the parameter line I have used:=20
 
----
<ep> <s 1> <g 11> <fd 1> <cr> = <nfb>=20 <t 3000> <d 0> <id keyboard> <dbc 193193193> = <vm=20 1024,768,768,16,60> = <zil>=20 <zor> <vzk +Left Arrow> <vzk +Right Arrow> <vzk = +Down=20 Arrow> <eop>
----
 
and, an example of one=20 trial:
-----
99 "Please count male face(s)" <ms% = 2000> /;=20
1221 <bmp> “cross.bmp” <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp = 121, 20>=20 “122.bmp” <ms% 100> / <bmp> = “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
2111=20 <bmp> “cross.bmp” <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp 14, = 20> “211.bmp” <ms%=20 100> / <bmp> “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / = ;
1224 <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 900>/ ! <bmp 633, 390> = “122.bmp” <ms% 100> /=20 <bmp> “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
2224 = <bmp> “cross.bmp”=20 <ms% 1100>/ ! <bmp 553, 390> “222.bmp” <ms% = 100> / <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
1212 <bmp> = “cross.bmp” <ms%=20 1100>/ ! <bmp 633, 20> “121.bmp” <ms% 100> / = <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
1213 <bmp> = “cross.bmp” <ms%=20 1200>/ ! <bmp 121, 390> “121.bmp” <ms% 100> / = <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
1224 <bmp> = “cross.bmp” <ms%=20 900>/ ! <bmp 633, 390> “122.bmp” <ms% 100> / = <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
2111 <bmp> = “cross.bmp” <ms%=20 1200>/ ! <bmp 14, 20> “211.bmp” <ms% 100> / = <bmp>=20 “cross.bmp” <ms% 1000> / ;
 +1110100=20 <umnr><umpr><mpr +Left Arrow><mnr +Right = Arrow><mnr=20 +Down Arrow>  * "Your response !!!";
99 "Get ready for the = next=20 trial"  <ms% 1500>/;
----
 
I am using Acer Travel Mate 8000 which = has Pentium=20 Mobile (Centrino) 2.2 GHz processor, 1.5 Gb RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon = 9700 with=20 128 MB DDR RAM (good laptop for gamers).
Didn't have any other problem running = experiment on=20 this machine until discovered the timing issue. =
 
In this experiment, the duration of one tick = is 16.17=20 ms (determined by DMDX) and the vertical refresh rate is 60 Hz.=20
I have another laptop (60Hz, = tick=3D16.680ms), where the=20 experiment runs at the right pace. Running the experiment on both = laptops=20 simultaneously showed difference in the presentation time after the = forth item=20 (see the example trial above).
 
Would appreciate any idea about what could be a possible cause, = and, more=20 importantly, how to solve the puzzle.
 
All the=20 best,
Arman
 
--
Arman Abrahamyan
Doctoral Student
School of Psychology & = MARCS=20 Auditory Laboratories
University of Western Sydney - Bankstown=20 Campus
Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South DC NSW 1797 Australia
Phone: = (+612)=20 9772 6660; Fax: (+612) 9772 6326
E-mail: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au =
WWW:=20 http://marcs.uws.edu.au/people/abrahamyan/
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C54763.B21D3480-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Apr 22 14:46:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3MLjN5L026078 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530EDA9DFDD for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6EEA9E003 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050422142655.00ba4cc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing problem with a fast computer In-Reply-To: <200504220749.j3M7nvlE024520@cooper.uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_364169062==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_364169062==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You aren't running the item file in a fixed ISI mode ( simply means go as fast as possible which is anything but fixed) so the variance is attributable to things like the speed that the laptops are reading your bitmaps. If you really wanted a fixed ISI you will have to use a value for the delay parameter that is long enough for the machine to prepare them item (see the preparation time help in the delay keyword help for details). You would also have to ensure that the display was longer than any response gathered, currently "Your response !!!" will stay on the screen till they respond and then the next item will commence. You would have to have another frame after that and make the "Your response !!!" frame longer than the timeout with something like this: +1110100 * "Your response !!!" <%ms 3000> / ; At 05:49 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Dear DMDX community, > >I have got a problem with DMDX experiment running in the continuous mode >( parameter). In short, the experiment that should run 59.451 min (in >diagnostic mode), finishes in about 46 min. >Here is the parameter line I have used: > >---- > 193193193> +Right Arrow> >---- > >and, an example of one trial: >----- >99 "Please count male face(s)" /; >1221 cross.bmp / ! 122.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >2111 cross.bmp / ! 211.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >1224 cross.bmp / ! 122.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >2224 cross.bmp / ! 222.bmp / > cross.bmp / ; >1212 cross.bmp / ! 121.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >1213 cross.bmp / ! 121.bmp / > cross.bmp / ; >1224 cross.bmp / ! 122.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >2111 cross.bmp / ! 211.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; > +1110100 Arrow> * "Your response !!!"; >99 "Get ready for the next trial" /; >---- > >I am using Acer Travel Mate 8000 which has Pentium Mobile (Centrino) 2.2 >GHz processor, 1.5 Gb RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 with 128 MB DDR RAM >(good laptop for gamers). >Didn't have any other problem running experiment on this machine until >discovered the timing issue. > >In this experiment, the duration of one tick is 16.17 ms (determined by >DMDX) and the vertical refresh rate is 60 Hz. >I have another laptop (60Hz, tick=16.680ms), where the experiment runs at >the right pace. Running the experiment on both laptops simultaneously >showed difference in the presentation time after the forth item (see the >example trial above). > >Would appreciate any idea about what could be a possible cause, and, more >importantly, how to solve the puzzle. > >All the best, >Arman > >-- >Arman Abrahamyan >Doctoral Student >School of Psychology & MARCS Auditory Laboratories >University of Western Sydney - Bankstown Campus >Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South DC NSW 1797 Australia >Phone: (+612) 9772 6660; Fax: (+612) 9772 6326 >E-mail: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au >WWW: >http://marcs.uws.edu.au/people/abrahamyan/ > /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Dickson's Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant. --=====================_364169062==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
  You aren't running the item file in a fixed ISI mode (<d 0> simply means go as fast as possible which is anything but fixed) so the variance is attributable to things like the speed that the laptops are reading your bitmaps.  If you really wanted a fixed ISI you will have to use a value for the delay parameter that is long enough for the machine to prepare them item (see the preparation time help in the delay keyword help for details).  You would also have to ensure that the display was longer than any response gathered, currently "Your response !!!" will stay on the screen till they respond and then the next item will commence.  You would have to have another frame after that and make the "Your response !!!"  frame longer than the timeout with something like this:

+1110100 <umnr><umpr><mpr +Left Arrow><mnr +Right Arrow><mnr +Down Arrow>  * "Your response !!!" <%ms 3000> / ;

At 05:49 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, you wrote:
Dear DMDX community,
 
I have got a problem with DMDX experiment running in the continuous mode (<cr> parameter). In short, the experiment that should run 59.451 min (in diagnostic mode), finishes in about 46 min.
Here is the parameter line I have used:
 
----
<ep> <s 1> <g 11> <fd 1> <cr> <nfb> <t 3000> <d 0> <id keyboard> <dbc 193193193> <vm 1024,768,768,16,60> <zil> <zor> <vzk +Left Arrow> <vzk +Right Arrow> <vzk +Down Arrow> <eop>
----
 
and, an example of one trial:
-----
99 "Please count male face(s)" <ms% 2000> /;
1221 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp 121, 20> 122.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
2111 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp 14, 20> 211.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
1224 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 900>/ ! <bmp 633, 390> 122.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
2224 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1100>/ ! <bmp 553, 390> 222.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
1212 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1100>/ ! <bmp 633, 20> 121.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
1213 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp 121, 390> 121.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
1224 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 900>/ ! <bmp 633, 390> 122.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
2111 <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1200>/ ! <bmp 14, 20> 211.bmp <ms% 100> / <bmp> cross.bmp <ms% 1000> / ;
 +1110100 <umnr><umpr><mpr +Left Arrow><mnr +Right Arrow><mnr +Down Arrow>  * "Your response !!!";
99 "Get ready for the next trial"  <ms% 1500>/;
----
 
I am using Acer Travel Mate 8000 which has Pentium Mobile (Centrino) 2.2 GHz processor, 1.5 Gb RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 with 128 MB DDR RAM (good laptop for gamers).
Didn't have any other problem running experiment on this machine until discovered the timing issue.
 
In this experiment, the duration of one tick is 16.17 ms (determined by DMDX) and the vertical refresh rate is 60 Hz.
I have another laptop (60Hz, tick=16.680ms), where the experiment runs at the right pace. Running the experiment on both laptops simultaneously showed difference in the presentation time after the forth item (see the example trial above).
 
Would appreciate any idea about what could be a possible cause, and, more importantly, how to solve the puzzle.
 
All the best,
Arman
 
--
Arman Abrahamyan
Doctoral Student
School of Psychology & MARCS Auditory Laboratories
University of Western Sydney - Bankstown Campus
Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South DC NSW 1797 Australia
Phone: (+612) 9772 6660; Fax: (+612) 9772 6326
E-mail: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au
WWW: http://marcs.uws.edu.au/people/abrahamyan/
 


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--=====================_364169062==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Apr 22 17:11:15 2005 Received: from mailhub2.une.edu.au (mailhub2.une.edu.au [129.180.1.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3N0B05L026785 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:11:01 -0700 Received: from pobox.une.edu.au (metz.une.edu.au [129.180.3.3]) by mailhub2.une.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D36F8083 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:10:55 +1000 (EST) Received: by pobox.une.edu.au (Postfix, from userid 20) id 86E2D26303; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:10:48 +1000 (EST) From: "Keith Majoos" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Time Video Mode MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <20050423001048.86E2D26303@pobox.une.edu.au> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:10:48 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Help. TIMEDX (v 3.1.06) keeps displaying the following message "failed to find 100 cycles without a missed retrace after 5000 cycles", when I try to set the Time Video Mode. System: Pentium 4 2.66 Ghz, ATI Radeon 9000 card, 512 MB memory, monitor Philips 107 t4 Is this just one of those configurations that do not work, or am I doing something wrong. I have had DMDX working on a few computers now, except this one. regards, Keith Majoos University New England Armidale, Australia From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Apr 23 08:01:18 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3NEwp5L029518 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:58:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EBFA9F65E for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C16AA9EF66 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:58:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050423075441.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:58:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Time Video Mode In-Reply-To: <20050423001048.86E2D26303@pobox.une.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:10 AM 4/23/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Help. > >TIMEDX (v 3.1.06) keeps displaying the following message "failed to find >100 cycles without a missed retrace after 5000 cycles", when I try to >set the Time Video Mode. > >System: Pentium 4 2.66 Ghz, ATI Radeon 9000 card, 512 MB memory, monitor >Philips 107 t4 > >Is this just one of those configurations that do not work, or am I doing >something wrong. I have had DMDX working on a few computers now, except >this one. Some machines need to have the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Drivers" check box checked in the Refresh Rate test. In the unlikely circumstance this doesn't get it you'll have to drop the number of cycles to test in that same dialog till it can get a good sample -- but the accuracy of the refresh rate determination will be impaired and you might have to enter the refresh rate manually in the Time Video Mode tests. Tons of discussion in the TimeDX help. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ A painting in a museum probably hears more foolish remarks than anything else in the world. - Edmund & Jules Goncourt From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 27 02:24:43 2005 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3R9N65L022429 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 02:23:07 -0700 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-POST-1.9) with ESMTP id j3R9MxWx014886 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:22:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from ITP14448 ([137.154.107.236]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/UWS-STF-PRE-1.9) with ESMTP id j3R9MwlE014849; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:22:58 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200504270922.j3R9MwlE014849@cooper.uws.edu.au> From: "Arman Abrahamyan" To: "'Kenneth Forster'" , Subject: [DMDX] RE: DMDX timing problem Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:22:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C54B5E.84E0C820" In-Reply-To: <001c01c54755$08206460$1d62c480@KIFXP> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C54B5E.84E0C820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ken & Jonathan, The major cause of running DMDX faster on a laptop was incorrect recognition of the external monitor in Windows XP. Windows didn't change the monitor type from the default one (which is it's own LCD screen) to the one which was plugged externally. However, it did allow me to choose higher refresh rates. This mix-up was making TimeDX to give out vertical refresh interval in ms and other parameters inconsistently with the actual refresh rate. The solution was to manually set the type of the monitor to the external one. Once it was done, the TimeDX was able to get correct vertical refresh time and program ran as expected. I guess some people are using laptops with external monitors - thought would be useful to share the experience. In order to set type of the monitor manually, go to Display Properties-->Settings-->Advanced-->Monitor. Select the external monitor and choose the refresh rate. In my case it is "Plug and Play Monitor", but could be different with different monitors & different versions of Windows. Thanks for your replies - they helped to have stringent control over stimuli presentation timings. Thank you, Arman _____ From: Kenneth Forster [mailto:kforster@u.arizona.edu] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:05 AM To: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au Subject: [DMDX] DMDX timing problem Arman, My suspicion is that the refresh time as indicated by TimeDX is wrong, and it's really more like 16.6 ms. We see this every now and then - TimeDX either fails to give any value at all, or it gives a stupid one. If the refresh rate is 60 Hz, then the refresh cycle can't be 16.1 ms. Downloading and installing the latest set of drivers for the graphics card usually solves the problem. --Ken Forster ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C54B5E.84E0C820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Ken & Jonathan,
 
The major cause of running DMDX faster on a = laptop was=20 incorrect recognition of the external monitor in Windows = XP. Windows=20 didn't change the monitor type from the default one (which is it's own = LCD=20 screen) to the one which was plugged externally. However, it did allow = me to=20 choose higher refresh rates. This mix-up was making TimeDX to give out = vertical=20 refresh interval in ms and other parameters inconsistently with the = actual=20 refresh rate. The solution was to manually set the type of the monitor = to the=20 external one. Once it was done, the TimeDX was able to get correct = vertical=20 refresh time and program ran as expected.
 
I guess some people are using laptops with = external=20 monitors - thought would be useful to share the experience. In order to = set type=20 of the monitor manually, go to Display=20 Properties-->Settings-->Advanced-->Monitor. Select the external = monitor=20 and choose the refresh rate. In my case it is "Plug and Play Monitor", = but could=20 be different with different monitors & different versions of = Windows.=20
 
Thanks=20 for your replies - they helped to have stringent control over stimuli=20 presentation timings.  
 
Thank=20 you,
Arman
 
From: = Kenneth Forster=20 [mailto:kforster@u.arizona.edu]
Sent: Saturday, April 23, = 2005 2:05=20 AM
To: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au
Subject: DMDX timing=20 problem

Arman,

 

          &nb= sp;=20 My suspicion is that the refresh time as indicated by TimeDX is wrong, = and it’s=20 really more like 16.6 ms.  We see this every now and then – = TimeDX either=20 fails to give any value at all, or it gives a stupid one.  If the = refresh=20 rate is 60 Hz, then the refresh cycle can’t be 16.1 ms. = Downloading and=20 installing the latest set of drivers for the graphics card usually = solves the=20 problem.

 

          &nb= sp;=20 --Ken Forster

 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C54B5E.84E0C820-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 27 13:19:59 2005 Received: from web51002.mail.yahoo.com (web51002.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.133]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j3RKJL5L025679 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 3502 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2005 20:19:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20050427201908.3500.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.230.95.49] by web51002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:08 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jackie Holloway Subject: [DMDX] using serial port for EEG? To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDX, we are looking to use DMDX for experiments with EEG. E-prime had been previously used in the lab for some of these experiments, but the timing seems to be an issue now. We want to try DMDX, but my concern is that in DMDX help files it says "nor does it use serial ports (although it could)". Serial ports have been what we have used to send triggers to E-probe, which is set to accept these triggers. How can a serial port be used to send triggers with DMDX? Would you use the command in the header line? Can we avoid buying a PIO card? Thank you for any help. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 27 16:10:42 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3RNA75L026676 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:10:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC47A9DB7D for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:10:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01037A85281 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:10:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050427155658.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:10:05 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: using serial port for EEG? In-Reply-To: <20050427201908.3500.qmail@web51002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:19 PM 4/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear DMDX, >we are looking to use DMDX for experiments with EEG. >E-prime had been previously used in the lab for some >of these experiments, but the timing seems to be an >issue now. We want to try DMDX, but my concern is >that in DMDX help files it says "nor does it use >serial ports (although it could)". Serial ports have >been what we have used to send triggers to E-probe, >which is set to accept these triggers. How can a >serial port be used to send triggers with DMDX? Would >you use the command in the header line? Can we >avoid buying a PIO card? You would have to sponsor the additions to DMDX that would allow it to send data out the serial port. With said modifications done you wouldn't have to buy a PIO card, but the modifications to DMDX are going to cost you more than a PIO card will. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Dickson's Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 28 09:04:34 2005 Received: from torrent.cc.mcgill.ca (torrent.cc.mcgill.ca [132.206.27.49]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3SG2u5L031350 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:02:56 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cc.mcgill.ca (mailscan3.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.250]) by torrent.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j3SG2p6q015403 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:02:55 -0400 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca (vpn93232.VPN.McGill.CA [132.216.93.232]) by mailscan3.cc.mcgill.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j3SG2iBh010850 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42710923.4020507@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:02:43 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello! I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be. Thank you, Nathalie ****************************** Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student McGill University School of Communication Sciences and Disorders 1266 Pine Avenue West Montreal, Quebec H3G 1A8 Phone: 514-398-6895 Fax: 514-398-8123 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 28 10:26:35 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3SHQC5L031829 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:26:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21225A9D221 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:26:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81930A9A7C9 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:26:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050428100728.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:26:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz In-Reply-To: <42710923.4020507@mail.mcgill.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hello! > >I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations >are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I >set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the >presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be >running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I >need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: > >(1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am wondering >what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll probably have to get a new video card. >I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in >the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing >with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in >laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor >(ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't capable of providing a display at 160Hz. >(2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests >section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I >think that is now quite what it should be. You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video Drivers". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Dickson's Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Apr 29 08:17:38 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j3TFGc5L005660 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:16:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F12A9DD76 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:16:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECBAAA010E for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:16:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050429081018.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:16:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] monitor refresh rates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Another thing about monitor refresh rates is that there's a check box on some machines (maybe all) that tells the machine to hide the video modes that it thinks the monitor can't handle. While this is fine and dandy if the machine really recognizes the monitor a lot of the time XP recognizes monitors as Plug and Play Monitor, which means it doesn't recognize it at all. Either install the software that came with the monitor or uncheck that check box and perhaps new faster video modes will become available to DMDX. It's usually in the Control Panel / Display / Settings / Advanced / Monitor tab. If it's not there it's possible you need to get better video drivers for the video card. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Kids have *never* taken guidance from their parents. If you could travel back in time and observe the original primate family in the original tree, you would see the primate parents yelling at the primate teenager for sitting around and sulking all day instead of hunting for grubs and berries like dad primate. Then you'd see the primate teenager stomp up to his branch and slam the leaves. - Dave Barry, "Kids Today: They Don't Know Dum Diddly Do" From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 3 07:18:59 2005 Received: from mailhub1.shef.ac.uk (mailhub1.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.9]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j43EHD5L032220 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 07:17:14 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by mailhub1.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSyD1-0005Qf-Uf for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 03 May 2005 15:17:12 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1DSyD1-0001bz-Mi for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 03 May 2005 15:17:11 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:17:11 +0100 Message-ID: <1115129831.427787e798a14@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:17:11 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX mailing list Subject: [DMDX] Analyze and 2.0 SD trimming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, I'm running analyze and I have no 2.0 SD trimming command in my specification file, however trimming does seem to occur as shown in my .ism files. In a previous query, see link: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=1923726 it was suggested that trimming is done by default. I would like to have only high and low cut-off values rather than trimming---is there anyway not to trim the data? Here is my .spc file specifications: discard_display_errors low_cutoff: 250 high_cutoff: 2000 Here is a sample from my .ism file output: SUBJECT %ERRORS MEAN S.D. SD/MEAN 2.0-SD MISSING CUTOFF DISPLAY 1 2 498.9 89.6 0.18 15 0 0 0 2 6 442.9 88.3 0.20 9 0 0 0 3 4 490.6 81.4 0.17 13 0 0 0 Thanks, Carrie Ankerstein -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 3 08:12:04 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j43FBw5L032523 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 08:11:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78E4AA2056 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 08:11:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFDFAA20D7 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 08:11:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050503081039.00ba4670@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 08:11:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Analyze and 2.0 SD trimming In-Reply-To: <1115129831.427787e798a14@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:17 PM 5/3/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm running analyze and I have no 2.0 SD trimming command in my specification >file, however trimming does seem to occur as shown in my .ism files. In a >previous query, see link: >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=1923726 it was suggested >that trimming is done by default. I would like to have only high and low >cut-off values rather than trimming---is there anyway not to trim the data? Set the data_threshold to something absurdly large like 100. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." - Matt Cartmill From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 5 06:44:42 2005 Received: from kunai.fi.uba.ar (kunai.fi.uba.ar [157.92.49.8]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j45Dhb5L012803 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 06:43:37 -0700 Received: from [157.92.48.198] (dhcpa198.fi.uba.ar [157.92.48.198]) (authenticated bits=0) by kunai.fi.uba.ar (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j45DhXDn001622 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 10:43:33 -0300 Message-ID: <427A236C.2090802@fi.uba.ar> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 10:45:16 -0300 From: Pablo Barttfeld MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] loading pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi everyone! I’m trying to use DMDX to run an experiment about priming and image categorization. My problem is that I need to show on screen two bitmap files of 5 Kb each, titillating at 32 ms. (1 tic one of them, 1 tic the other, and so on) I guess that the loading time of a picture every 16 ms would decrease the real frequency. How could I get the right frequency or at least one as close as possible? Thanks. Pablo. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 5 08:17:55 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j45FHY5L013284 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 08:17:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0D2A9DE38 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 08:17:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67811A9F246 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 08:17:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050505081317.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 08:17:32 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: loading pictures In-Reply-To: <427A236C.2090802@fi.uba.ar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:45 AM 5/5/2005 -0300, you wrote: >Hi everyone! > >I'm trying to use DMDX to run an experiment about priming and image >categorization. My problem is that I need to show on screen two bitmap >files of 5 Kb each, titillating at 32 ms. (1 tic one of them, 1 tic the >other, and so on) > >I guess that the loading time of a picture every 16 ms would decrease the >real frequency. How could I get the right frequency or at least one as >close as possible? Use the keyword. You will have to decide how many times you want the sequence repeated but you can do it within the capabilities of your machine. 1 %1 g "display1" / %1 g "display2" / ; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." - Matt Cartmill From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat May 7 18:20:49 2005 Received: from web60418.mail.yahoo.com (web60418.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.178.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j481Jk5L028211 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:19:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 10746 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2005 01:19:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20050508011940.10744.qmail@web60418.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [201.235.15.243] by web60418.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 May 2005 22:19:40 ART Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 22:19:40 -0300 (ART) From: Pablo Galeano Subject: [DMDX] Pablo Galeano To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1864324985-1115515180=:7279" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1864324985-1115515180=:7279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the subject's response? e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment +001 / "" %60 / "hz900" / "" %60 / "cuadrado" %60 / "" %150 / "linea2" / * ! "linea1" %200 /; In this case i want to clear the last screen ("linea 1" and "linea 2") immediatly after the subject's response and to the feedback to appear. Sincerely, Pablo Galeano --------------------------------- A tu celular ¿no le falta algo? Usá Yahoo! Messenger y Correo Yahoo! en tu teléfono celular. Más información aquí. --0-1864324985-1115515180=:7279 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the subject's response?

e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment

+001 <clfb> <cfb "ACIERTO"> <wfb "ERROR"> <tlfb "NO RESPONDIO"> / "" %60 / <wav> "hz900" / "" %60 / <tbg> <bmp 284, 83> "cuadrado" %60 / "" %150 / <tbg> <bmp 127, 323 > "linea2" / * ! <tbg> <bmp 440, 323> "linea1" %200 /;

In this case i want to clear the last screen ("linea 1" and "linea 2") immediatly after

the subject's response and to the feedback to appear.

Sincerely, Pablo Galeano

A tu celular ¿no le falta algo?
Usá Yahoo! Messenger y Correo Yahoo! en tu teléfono celular.
Más información aquí. --0-1864324985-1115515180=:7279-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat May 7 21:51:33 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j484op5L029138 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C0BAA2B42 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.6]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24ADA9F878 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050507214759.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 21:50:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Pablo Galeano In-Reply-To: <20050508011940.10744.qmail@web60418.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:19 PM 5/7/2005 -0300, you wrote: >How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the >subject's response? > >e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment > >+001 / "" %60 / > "hz900" / "" %60 / "cuadrado" %60 / "" %150 / > "linea2" / * ! "linea1" %200 /; > >In this case i want to clear the last screen ("linea 1" and "linea 2") >immediatly after > >the subject's response and to the feedback to appear. Take out the keywords for a start, it's not doing what you might think it's doing. Assuming you want linea1 left on the screen till the response take out the slash before the semicolon. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." - Matt Cartmill From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 8 06:58:50 2005 Received: from web60414.mail.yahoo.com (web60414.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.178.157]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j48DwA5L031309 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 06:58:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 14415 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2005 13:58:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20050508135805.14413.qmail@web60414.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [201.235.15.243] by web60414.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 10:58:05 ART Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 10:58:05 -0300 (ART) From: Pablo Galeano Subject: [DMDX] Re: Pablo Galeano To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1548497294-1115560685=:14392" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1548497294-1115560685=:14392 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks you very much. That was just what a needed. Now it works perfectly Sincerely, Pablo Galeano "j.c.f." escribió: At 10:19 PM 5/7/2005 -0300, you wrote: >How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the >subject's response? > >e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment > >+001 / "" %60 / > "hz900" / "" %60 / "cuadrado" %60 / "" %150 / > "linea2" / * ! "linea1" %200 /; > >In this case i want to clear the last screen ("linea 1" and "linea 2") >immediatly after > >the subject's response and to the feedback to appear. Take out the keywords for a start, it's not doing what you might think it's doing. Assuming you want linea1 left on the screen till the response take out the slash before the semicolon. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." - Matt Cartmill ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo Abrí tu cuenta aquí --0-1548497294-1115560685=:14392 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks you very much. That was just what a needed. Now it works perfectly
 
Sincerely, Pablo Galeano

"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> escribió:
At 10:19 PM 5/7/2005 -0300, you wrote:

>How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the
>subject's response?
>
>e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment
>
>+001 / "" %60 /
> "hz900" / "" %60 / "cuadrado" %60 / "" %150 /
> "linea2" / * ! "linea1" %200 /;
>
>In this case i want to clear the last screen ("linea 1" and "linea 2")
>immediatly after
>
>the subject's response and to the feedback to appear.

Take out the keywords for a start, it's not doing what you might
think it's doing. Assuming you want linea1 left on the screen till the
response take out the slash before the semicolon.

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Hello,
I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program.

In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event happens?

In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV (Window XP)?

Thank´s you in advance

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Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1545591402-1115750481=:98194-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 10 13:07:07 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4AK6p5L014097 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E79EAA3D67 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E5FA9D696 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050510130353.00ba4bc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX and output signals In-Reply-To: <20050510184121.2020.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter >with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program. > >In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an >ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not >possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is >neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Yes, you need a PIO card. > Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event > happens? Any signal is going to need a PIO. >In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV >(Window XP)? The one I always recommend: PCI-DIO24 24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00 http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. - Clive James From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 12 05:47:47 2005 Received: from web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.230]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j4CCjs5L027696 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:45:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 8283 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2005 12:45:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20050512124545.8281.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.55.77.140] by web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:45:45 PDT Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 05:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Yorio Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX and output signals To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1294231057-1115901945=:7438" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1294231057-1115901945=:7438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Jonathan C. Forster Thanks you very much "Jonathan C. Forster" wrote: At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter >with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program. > >In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an >ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not >possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is >neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Yes, you need a PIO card. > Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event > happens? Any signal is going to need a PIO. >In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV >(Window XP)? The one I always recommend: PCI-DIO24 24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00 http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. - Clive James ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. 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Dear Jonathan C. Forster
Thanks you very much

"Jonathan C. Forster" <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello,
>I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter
>with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program.
>
>In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an
>ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not
>possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is
>neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth?

Yes, you need a PIO card.

> Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event
> happens?

Any signal is going to need a PIO.

>In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV
>(Window XP)?

The one I always recommend:

PCI-DIO24
24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00

http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4

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Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour --0-1294231057-1115901945=:7438-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 12 10:53:03 2005 Received: from web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.98]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j4CHqH5L029909 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:52:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 59748 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2005 17:52:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20050512175212.59746.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [157.92.4.151] by web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:52:12 PDT Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Yorio Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX and output signals To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050510130353.00ba4bc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1467683839-1115920332=:59294" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1467683839-1115920332=:59294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Jonathan Forster Thanks you very much "Jonathan C. Forster" wrote: At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter >with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program. > >In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an >ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not >possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is >neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Yes, you need a PIO card. > Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event > happens? Any signal is going to need a PIO. >In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV >(Window XP)? The one I always recommend: PCI-DIO24 24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00 http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. - Clive James ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1467683839-1115920332=:59294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dear Jonathan Forster
Thanks you very much

"Jonathan C. Forster" <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello,
>I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter
>with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program.
>
>In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an
>ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not
>possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is
>neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth?

Yes, you need a PIO card.

> Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event
> happens?

Any signal is going to need a PIO.

>In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV
>(Window XP)?

The one I always recommend:

PCI-DIO24
24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00

http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4

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Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1467683839-1115920332=:59294-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 15 08:12:03 2005 Received: from nenu.edu.cn ([202.198.129.55]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j4FFAO5L015775 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:10:32 -0700 Received: (eyou send program); Sun, 15 May 2005 23:21:14 +0800 Message-ID: <316170474.13624@nenu.edu.cn> Received: from 219.217.41.65 by mail.nenu.edu.cn with HTTP; Sun, 15 May 2005 23:21:14 +0800 From: "Íõ¹úÃ÷" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 23:21:14 +0800 Subject: [DMDX] Feedback to blindman. Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello everyone, I've made a program of auditory Inhibition of Return (IOR). Now, I want to put it to the blindman. You know, blindman can't see the FEEDBACK on the screen, and It's unsuitable to use auditory feedback. So, I think If blindman made a fault, the program will stop there,when blind subjects find this, they will know that they have made a fualt. How can I do this? Please tell me, thank you very much. $ 0 "Start"; 250/; $ +1 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500"; +2 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500"; +3 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500"; +4 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500"; $ 0 "End"; $ -------------------------------------------------- Greed is good or not? From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 15 12:22:37 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4FJLj5L016770 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:21:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9ECBAA3ADA for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:21:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF5FAA185C for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:21:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050515121433.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:21:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Feedback to blindman. In-Reply-To: <316170474.13624@nenu.edu.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You can make your end item some unique item number, like 9999 and tell DMDX to branch there if the subject makes a mistake with in every item: +1 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500" ; +2 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500" ; +3 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500" ; +4 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500" ; $ 9999 "End"; $ If you want to make it stop till they hit a key then you make a routine that maps the request to some other key and waits till they hit it. 0 "Start" ; ~999 ; 0 "wrong"; ~1 ; 250/; $ +1 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500" ; +2 "+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500" ; +3 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500" ; +4 "+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500" ; At 11:21 PM 5/15/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > > I've made a program of auditory Inhibition of Return (IOR). Now, I > want to put >it to the blindman. You know, blindman can't see the FEEDBACK on the >screen, and >It's unsuitable to use auditory feedback. So, I think If blindman made a >fault, >the program will stop there,when blind subjects find this, they will know that >they have made a fualt. How can I do this? Please tell me, thank you very >much. > > > > > > 640,480,480,8,0> > > > >$ >0 "Start"; >250/; >$ >+1 >1000> > >"+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500"; >+2 >1000> > >"+"/ "550"/!/ * "5500"; >+3 >1000> > >"+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500"; >+4 >1000> > >"+"/ "850"/!/ *"8500"; > >$ >0 "End"; >$ > > > > >-------------------------------------------------- >Greed is good or not? >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 24 13:44:31 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4OKfM5L009173 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:41:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1749AA704D for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:41:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3D0AA6D70 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:41:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050524134009.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:41:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 3.1.2.7 makes the misplaced keyword at start of item error easier to debug. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled. - Plutarch From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 26 16:58:55 2005 Received: from ALPHA9.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha9.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.9]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4QNuh5L022933 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:56:43 -0700 Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.82]) by vaxh.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.2-1 #31112) with ESMTP id <01LOQYP4L4M09ANURU@vaxh.its.monash.edu.au> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:34 +1000 Received: from larry.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98A180002 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from monash.edu.au (balamb.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.11.237]) by larry.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694BF3C003 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from [130.194.162.48] by mail-store-1.its.monash.edu.au (mshttpd) ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:33 +1000 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:56:33 +1000 From: Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla Subject: [DMDX] conditional repetition of audio files To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <3e3e7a3e3c78.3e3c783e3e7a@monash.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I'm trying to run an auditory experiment where the listener is repeatedly presented with a 5 s wav file until he/she enters a number, after which DMDX is supposed to branch onto the next item. The wav file has to be repeated in such a way that there are no gaps between successive presentations and the listener gets the impression of a continuous auditory stimulus. My problem is that when i use a multi-way branch keyword and a counter to loop through the wav file until a response is input, the repetitions of the audio file are not heard as continous: n4 g1 0 " item 1: how many sounds can you hear?" ; +10 * “file1” c; 20 ; 30 “next item”; 0 " item 2: how many sounds can you hear?" ; +11 * “file2” c; 21 ; 31 “next item”; 0 “End”; Then I considered using the "again" keyword, but i can't figure out how one would stop the repetitions when a response is input and move onto the next item. 0 “item1: how many sounds can you hear?”; +10 * “file1” /; 30 “next item”; 0 “item2: how many sounds can you hear?”; +11 * “file2” /; 31 “next item”; 0 “End”; Any ideas on how i could do this? Thanks in advance Ranmalee Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 AUSTRALIA Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Phone: 9905 6559 Mobile: 0421 643124 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 26 17:46:14 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4R0WP5L023137 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 17:32:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95582A9F92F for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 17:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1681DAA9DEC for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 17:32:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050526172158.00ba4648@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:32:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: conditional repetition of audio files In-Reply-To: <3e3e7a3e3c78.3e3c783e3e7a@monash.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:56 AM 5/27/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm trying to run an auditory experiment where the listener is >repeatedly presented with a 5 s wav file until he/she enters a number, >after >which DMDX is supposed to branch onto the next item. The wav file has >to >be repeated in such a way that there are no gaps between successive >presentations and the listener gets the impression of a continuous >auditory stimulus. Don't think that can be done, there's code in there that specifically waits till any audio is done playing before proceeding to the next item. >My problem is that when i use a multi-way branch keyword and a counter >to loop through the wav file until a response is input, the >repetitions >of the audio file are not heard as continous: Gaps between items are part of DMDX, I doubt there's a solution. Doubly so if you are gathering input. >Then I considered using the "again" keyword, but i can't figure out >how >one would stop the repetitions when a response is input and move onto >the next item. That would be impressive if it worked but I certainly didn't have audio in mind when was designed because audio capabilities didn't exist then. And I'm pretty sure I didn't think of when I added the audio capabilities. >Any ideas on how i could do this? If you can get DMDX to loop with your audio appearing to be continuous then you're halfway there. The only thing I can see that might facilitate this would be using on you audio frames so DMDX never reads the file beyond it's first occurence. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 26 18:05:21 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4R0tk5L023324 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 17:55:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3625AA71E0 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 17:55:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C617AA02A7 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 17:55:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050526175347.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:55:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: conditional repetition of audio files In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050526172158.00ba4648@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3e3e7a3e3c78.3e3c783e3e7a@monash.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Another thing might be to reduce your timeout a bit, if it's right at 5000ms and the audio is exactly 5000ms or shorter then DMDX will be processing response stuff when it could be waiting for audio to finish. But I'm betting you'll always have two or more ticks of silence between each item. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat May 28 05:40:36 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4SCdM5L000674; Sat, 28 May 2005 05:39:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E244FAAF3D8; Sat, 28 May 2005 05:39:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFCFAAED45; Sat, 28 May 2005 05:39:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050528053137.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 05:39:20 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] looping audio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list It occurs to me that I've had a request or two for looping background audio in DMDX around here, each time the problem has been solved easily by other means however I can see the need arising for it in the future. This would be implemented with a looping audio command that I'm reasonably sure exists in DirectSound (haven't checked yet), that is a frame would have a modifier that makes it play continually. The question becomes more interesting in how that background undergoes change, the easy way and therefore the likely route I would take would be to have some keyword that cancels all looping audio when the item is parsed and then when the item executes another would be played with the looping option -- meaning there would be a gap between them. Is this acceptable for the recent audio query? /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon May 30 16:02:58 2005 Received: from notesmta.eapps.com (notesmta.eapps.com [216.83.160.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4UN0E5L019848 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 16:00:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Randomizing presentation time MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Eugen Tarnow" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:00:05 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 007E329A85257011_=" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007E329A85257011_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would like to randomize the time presentation time somewhat - can I do that with DMDX? Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow --=_alternative 007E329A85257011_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I would like to randomize the time presentation time somewhat - can I do that with DMDX?

Thank you very much.
Eugen Tarnow --=_alternative 007E329A85257011_=-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon May 30 19:23:54 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j4V2N95L020859 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:23:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EA7AB3E16 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:23:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19212AB25E0 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:23:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050530192029.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:23:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Randomizing presentation time In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:00 PM 5/30/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I would like to randomize the time presentation time somewhat - can I do >that with DMDX? Yes, a counter can be assigned a constrained random value and a frame's duration can be set with a counter. See and <%ctr>. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 1 00:43:42 2005 Received: from cygnus.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp2.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.112]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j517gK5L029651 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 00:42:21 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) id <01LOYEF4G03KB3NBIX@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:42:11 +1000 Received: from Peterpc.psych.unimelb.edu.au (peterpc.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.146]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) with ESMTP id <01LOYEF4CDNIB3NPPH@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:42:11 +1000 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:42:11 +1000 From: Peter Straffon Subject: [DMDX] Does this do what I think? To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050601171401.028c8a60@mail.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I'm not a very regular DMDX user so I'm not sure I have this correct. I would appreciate it if some kind person more experienced would like to assure me I have it right or tell me I have it wrong. I am setting up an experiment that has the subject respond to a left or right arrow on a black background. The subject presses "A" if the arrow points to the left, "K" if the arrow points to the right and does nothing if they see anything else. The display time is approximately 50ms The response is accepted for 500ms The inter stimulus interval varies between 750 and 1500 ms I'm using an 800X600 display, JPG graphics (I know BMP would probably be faster) with about 100ms delay after each item to allow time to load the next image. I have feedback on but will probably turn it off with a in the header for the final version. TimeDX says I have a 11.773ms refresh interval on the current machine. The second blank part of each item is to give the correct (and varied) ISI of 75-1500ms. ! tick 11.773ms, fd 4 = 47ms, d 8 = 94ms ! ISI : 594 + blank, require 750 - 1500ms ! shortest 594 + 14 tick = 759ms ! longest 594 + 76 = 1488ms 0 "Press the SPACE when ready"; 0 <%ms 30> "Ready" ; 0 <%ms 150> "3" ; 0 <%ms 150> "2" ; 0 <%ms 150> "1" ; 0 <%ms 30> "Go" ; +100 * g"right.jpg"/ <% 76> "" /; -101 * g"left.jpg"/ <% 76> "" /; ^102 * g"square.jpg"/ <% 14> "" /; -103 * g"left.jpg"/ <% 44> "" /; ^104 * g"square.jpg"/ <% 76> "" /; -103 * g"right.jpg"/ <% 76> "" /; --and on for 50 items-- 0 <%ms 500> "Done" l ; If I have this completely wrong please say, I not sure I have the 'concept' of a DMDX trial right. As the display time is so short I'm worried a small error could through things off and I'd never know. After reading the help "Timing notes" and some web pages I'm actually less sure I have it right. Thanks in advance Peter Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 1 08:23:52 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j51FN35L031609 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:23:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0442BAA454E for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FE6A99FDE for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050601082118.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:23:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Does this do what I think? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050601171401.028c8a60@mail.unimelb.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Looks pretty good to me. At 05:42 PM 6/1/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > I'm not a very regular DMDX user so I'm not sure I have this > correct. I would appreciate it if some kind person more experienced > would like to assure me I have it right or tell me I have it wrong. > >I am setting up an experiment that has the subject respond to a left or >right arrow on a black background. The subject presses "A" if the arrow >points to the left, "K" if the arrow points to the right and does nothing >if they see anything else. > >The display time is approximately 50ms >The response is accepted for 500ms >The inter stimulus interval varies between 750 and 1500 ms > >I'm using an 800X600 display, JPG graphics (I know BMP would probably be >faster) with about 100ms delay after each item to allow time to load the >next image. I have feedback on but will probably turn it off with a >in the header for the final version. TimeDX says I have a 11.773ms >refresh interval on the current machine. The second blank part of each >item is to give the correct (and varied) ISI of 75-1500ms. > > > 255255255> > >! tick 11.773ms, fd 4 = 47ms, d 8 = 94ms <--------- >! ISI : 594 + blank, require 750 - 1500ms <--------- you probably want semi colons here >! shortest 594 + 14 tick = 759ms <--------- >! longest 594 + 76 = 1488ms <--------- > >0 "Press the SPACE when ready"; >0 <%ms 30> "Ready" ; >0 <%ms 150> "3" ; >0 <%ms 150> "2" ; >0 <%ms 150> "1" ; >0 <%ms 30> "Go" ; > >+100 * g"right.jpg"/ <% 76> "" /; >-101 * g"left.jpg"/ <% 76> "" /; >^102 * g"square.jpg"/ <% 14> "" /; >-103 * g"left.jpg"/ <% 44> "" /; >^104 * g"square.jpg"/ <% 76> "" /; >-103 * g"right.jpg"/ <% 76> "" /; >--and on for 50 items-- > >0 <%ms 500> "Done" l ; > >If I have this completely wrong please say, I not sure I have the >'concept' of a DMDX trial right. As the display time is so short I'm >worried a small error could through things off and I'd never know. After >reading the help "Timing notes" and some web pages I'm actually less sure >I have it right. > >Thanks in advance >Peter > > Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au > School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 > The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 1 16:38:08 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j51Na05L001952 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:36:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5299AB5BB2 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52070AAEAF3 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:36:00 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050601163257.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:35:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Does this do what I think? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050602085029.028c9f28@mail.unimelb.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050601082118.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.2.20050601171401.028c8a60@mail.unimelb.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20050601082118.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:56 AM 6/2/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan, > Thank you for the reassurance. I'm a little unclear why I need > semi colons in comment lines. Is this just a matter of convention or is > it for some other reason? Without the semicolons the next item will become part of the comment, you won't ever see the Press the SPACE when ready. Comments don't end with a physical end of line. ! tick 11.773ms, fd 4 = 47ms, d 8 = 94ms ! ISI : 594 + blank, require 750 - 1500ms ! shortest 594 + 14 tick = 759ms ! longest 594 + 76 = 1488ms 0 "Press the SPACE when ready"; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There has never been an intelligent person of the age of sixty who would consent to live his life over again. His or anyone else's. - Mark Twain Letters from the Earth From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 1 18:01:50 2005 Received: from ALPHA1.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha1.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5211W5L002467 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:01:33 -0700 Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.88]) by vaxc.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.1 #31112) with ESMTP id <01LOZEPJXKW294OI47@vaxc.its.monash.edu.au> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:01:23 +1000 Received: from moe.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD9BAB545 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:01:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from monash.edu.au (balamb.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.11.237]) by moe.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1379B4FB05 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:01:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from [130.194.162.217] by mail-store-1.its.monash.edu.au (mshttpd) ; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:01:23 +1000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:01:23 +1000 From: Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla Subject: [DMDX] Re: looping audio To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <5880a35851a1.5851a15880a3@monash.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I tried some of your suggestions, but as you expected, i was not able to eliminate the gaps between successive presentations of the wav files. I think my problem might be solved if there was a looping modifier for wav files and a keyword that cancelled this whenever the listner responds. Thanks, Ranmalee Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Phone: 9905 6559 Mobile: 0421 643124 ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.c.f." Date: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:39 pm Subject: [DMDX] looping audio > > It occurs to me that I've had a request or two for looping > background > audio in DMDX around here, each time the problem has been solved > easily by > other means however I can see the need arising for it in the > future. This > would be implemented with a looping audio command that I'm > reasonably sure > exists in DirectSound (haven't checked yet), that is a frame > would > have a modifier that makes it play continually. The question > becomes more > interesting in how that background undergoes change, the easy way > and > therefore the likely route I would take would be to have some > keyword that > cancels all looping audio when the item is parsed and then when > the item > executes another would be played with the looping option -- > meaning > there would be a gap between them. Is this acceptable for the > recent audio > query? > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 1 18:35:14 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j521Z85L002658; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:35:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826FAAA6BF8; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAC7AA177D; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:35:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050601183023.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:35:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: looping audio In-Reply-To: <5880a35851a1.5851a15880a3@monash.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:01 AM 6/2/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I tried some of your suggestions, but as you expected, i was not able >to eliminate the gaps between successive presentations of the wav >files. I think my problem might be solved if there was a looping >modifier for wav files and a keyword that cancelled this whenever the >listner responds. It would be cancelled by a keyword you'd include in the item after the response is given, whether that gives feedback as well is up to you but I try and make any functionality I build into DMDX as general purpose as possible so it's highly unlikely that I'd make an audio command cancelled by a response. I've looked at the code and of course it's more complicated than it might otherwise be but I'm fairly sure I'll be doing it sometime soon. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 2 09:56:11 2005 Received: from notesmta.eapps.com (notesmta.eapps.com [216.83.160.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j52GtN5L006781 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:55:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] White background and grey text best combo? From: "Eugen Tarnow" Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:55:11 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005CEDC985257014_=" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005CEDC985257014_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am trying out a reaction time experiment on myself first and believe that the default white screen and grey background makes me lose focus - is that the best combination to use? Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow --=_alternative 005CEDC985257014_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I am trying out a reaction time experiment on myself first and believe that the default white screen and grey background makes me lose focus - is that the best combination to use?

Thank you very much.
Eugen Tarnow --=_alternative 005CEDC985257014_=-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 2 10:15:55 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j52HFo5L006942 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:15:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21413AB12F7 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:15:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B531AAB048C for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:15:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050602101137.00ba4bb8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:15:46 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1193890453==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_1193890453==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:55 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I am trying out a reaction time experiment on myself first and believe >that the default white screen and grey background makes me lose focus - is >that the best combination to use? The default is actually black text on a white background, perhaps your item file has changed the default colors? /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ RHADOMANCER, n. One who uses a divining-rod in prospecting for precious metals in the pocket of a fool. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary --=====================_1193890453==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 12:55 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote:

I am trying out a reaction time experiment on myself first and believe that the default white screen and grey background makes me lose focus - is that the best combination to use?


  The default is actually black text on a white background, perhaps your item file has changed the default colors?


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--=====================_1193890453==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 2 13:21:36 2005 Received: from notesmta.eapps.com (notesmta.eapps.com [216.83.160.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j52KKd5L007991 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:20:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Eugen Tarnow" Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:20:31 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006FB45C85257014_=" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006FB45C85257014_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Jonathan. I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it. Is black on white the default for psych experiments? I am doing my first one and feel myself getting "hypnotized" after a while. Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow "Jonathan C. Forster" Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 06/02/2005 01:15 PM Please respond to DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu cc: Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? At 12:55 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: I am trying out a reaction time experiment on myself first and believe that the default white screen and grey background makes me lose focus - is that the best combination to use? The default is actually black text on a white background, perhaps your item file has changed the default colors? /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ RHADOMANCER, n. One who uses a divining-rod in prospecting for precious metals in the pocket of a fool. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary --=_alternative 006FB45C85257014_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi, Jonathan.

I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it.  Is black on white the default for psych experiments?  I am doing my first one and feel myself getting "hypnotized" after a while.

Thank you very much.
Eugen Tarnow


"Jonathan C. Forster" <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu>
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At 12:55 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote:
I am trying out a reaction time experiment on myself first and believe that the default white screen and grey background makes me lose focus - is that the best combination to use?


 The default is actually black text on a white background, perhaps your item file has changed the default colors?
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--=_alternative 006FB45C85257014_=-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 2 14:13:28 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j52LD95L008333 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:13:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B3CAB4A89 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:13:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2357AAA9308 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:13:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050602140922.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:13:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1208129765==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_1208129765==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:20 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, Jonathan. > >I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it. Is >black on white the default for psych experiments? It's the standard for computer displays these days. > I am doing my first one and feel myself getting "hypnotized" after a while. You could try different colors but the reasons behind using different colors for a display have to do with masked priming and persistence of the display. My guess is that the display is 60Hz (because that's what an LCD typically likes) and the monitor's flickering from it's rapidly decaying phosphors is causing your problems. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. --=====================_1208129765==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 04:20 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote:

Hi, Jonathan.

I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it.  Is black on white the default for psych experiments?

  It's the standard for computer displays these days.

 I am doing my first one and feel myself getting "hypnotized" after a while.

  You could try different colors but the reasons behind using different colors for a display have to do with masked priming and persistence of the display.  My guess is that the display is 60Hz (because that's what an LCD typically likes) and the monitor's flickering from it's rapidly decaying phosphors is causing your problems.


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--=====================_1208129765==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 2 14:58:38 2005 Received: from notesmta.eapps.com (notesmta.eapps.com [216.83.160.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j52LwE5L008628 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:58:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050602140922.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: "Eugen Tarnow" Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:58:07 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0078ADCD85257014_=" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0078ADCD85257014_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The display is indeed 60HZ. It is a TFT - should I use a CRT instead? Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow etarnow@reducemail.com Avalon Business Systems 1 877 210 6002 x423 (from within the US) 1 646 825 9080 x423 (from outside the US) 67 Wall Street, 22nd Floor New York, NY 10005 http://reducemail.com "Jonathan C. Forster" Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 06/02/2005 05:13 PM Please respond to DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu cc: Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? At 04:20 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Jonathan. I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it. Is black on white the default for psych experiments? It's the standard for computer displays these days. I am doing my first one and feel myself getting "hypnotized" after a while. You could try different colors but the reasons behind using different colors for a display have to do with masked priming and persistence of the display. My guess is that the display is 60Hz (because that's what an LCD typically likes) and the monitor's flickering from it's rapidly decaying phosphors is causing your problems. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. --=_alternative 0078ADCD85257014_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
The display is indeed 60HZ.  It is a TFT - should I use a CRT instead?

Thank you very much.
Eugen Tarnow
etarnow@reducemail.com
Avalon Business Systems
1 877 210 6002 x423 (from within the US)
1 646 825 9080 x423 (from outside the US)
67 Wall Street, 22nd Floor
New York, NY 10005
http://reducemail.com


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At 04:20 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Hi, Jonathan.

I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it.  Is black on white the default for psych experiments?

 It's the standard for computer displays these days.
 I am doing my first one and feel myself getting "hypnotized" after a while.

 You could try different colors but the reasons behind using different colors for a display have to do with masked priming and persistence of the display.  My guess is that the display is 60Hz (because that's what an LCD typically likes) and the monitor's flickering from it's rapidly decaying phosphors is causing your problems.
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--=_alternative 0078ADCD85257014_=-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 2 16:06:59 2005 Received: from ppsw-9.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-9.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.139]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j52MjQ5L008925 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:45:27 -0700 Received: from hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.51]:36110) by ppsw-9.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.159]:25) with esmtpa (EXTERNAL:njsjg2) id 1DdyRI-0003e2-W5 (Exim 4.51) for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu (return-path ); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:45:24 +0100 Received: from njsjg2 (helo=localhost) by hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk (hermes.cam.ac.uk) with local-esmtp id 1DdyRI-0004m5-TZ (Exim 4.43) for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu (return-path ); Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:45:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:45:24 +0100 (BST) From: "Nicholas J.S. Gibson" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050602140922.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050602140922.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1870869256-1136451543-1117752199=:31119" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1870869256-1136451543-1117752199=:31119 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: > At 04:20 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: >=20 > > I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it. Is= =20 > > black on white the default for psych experiments? It's certainly not what I use -- I use a black background with pale blue=20 letters, which I find much easier to read. Changing your text colour and=20 background colour is unlikely to throw your experiment, so I'd pick=20 something that you (and two or three of your colleagues, if you are=20 worried) are happy to look at! Nicholas Gibson --=20 Psychology and Religion Research Programme Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK tel +44 (0)1223 763010 =B7 fax +44 (0)1223 763003 http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/personnel/nicholas.html --1870869256-1136451543-1117752199=:31119-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 2 16:52:37 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j52NpZ5L009360 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:51:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24035AB00BC for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:51:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34E2A9A401 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:51:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050602164730.00ba4ba8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:51:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050602140922.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1217635453==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_1217635453==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:58 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: >The display is indeed 60HZ. It is a TFT - should I use a CRT instead? No, I'd say a TFT is more preferable. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. --=====================_1217635453==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 05:58 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote:

The display is indeed 60HZ.  It is a TFT - should I use a CRT instead?


  No, I'd say a TFT is more preferable.


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--=====================_1217635453==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 2 17:42:33 2005 Received: from notesmta.eapps.com (notesmta.eapps.com [216.83.160.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j530gP5L009623 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:42:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Eugen Tarnow" Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:42:17 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 000351BA85257015_=" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000351BA85257015_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Should I try to increase the refresh rate? Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow etarnow@reducemail.com Avalon Business Systems 1 877 210 6002 x423 (from within the US) 1 646 825 9080 x423 (from outside the US) 67 Wall Street, 22nd Floor New York, NY 10005 http://reducemail.com "Jonathan C. Forster" Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 06/02/2005 07:51 PM Please respond to DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu cc: Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? At 05:58 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: The display is indeed 60HZ. It is a TFT - should I use a CRT instead? No, I'd say a TFT is more preferable. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. --=_alternative 000351BA85257015_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Should I try to increase the refresh rate?

Thank you very much.
Eugen Tarnow
etarnow@reducemail.com
Avalon Business Systems
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1 646 825 9080 x423 (from outside the US)
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At 05:58 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote:
The display is indeed 60HZ.  It is a TFT - should I use a CRT instead?


 No, I'd say a TFT is more preferable.
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--=_alternative 000351BA85257015_=-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 2 17:54:40 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j530sO5L009735 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:54:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B975AAEE77 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:54:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC67AA5B67 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:54:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050602175132.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:54:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:42 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Should I try to increase the refresh rate? You can't, or if you do it (a) serves no purpose and (b) the times I've accidentally run a TFT faster than 60 Hz it's washed the display out. TFTs are another whole kettle of fish, the only time you need to be careful is doing tachistoscopic displays with a TFT with a slow response time -- which you can't do. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 2 21:56:40 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j534tn5L010778; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:55:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5C1AA69A9; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:55:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99513AA93DE; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:55:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050602214325.00ba45a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:55:46 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] background audio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I think the easiest and cleanest way to do the background audio is to have it start when the item is parsed that contains the definition (before the item's display) and similarly have it stop when the item that contains a blank background audio specification is similarly parsed. This will be it's use here where people have simply wanted some background noise to be continually present. Integrating an indefinite length audio segment into the regular DMDX queue of frames so that it's beginning and ending can be rigorously controlled in a timewise fashion is fraught with peril and I'm pretty sure is unnecessary. It would be similar to the in that it would not affect the item's timing or display in any way. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jun 3 10:36:44 2005 Received: from notesmta.eapps.com (notesmta.eapps.com [216.83.160.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j53HZr5L014118 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:35:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Randomizing presentation time MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Eugen Tarnow" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:35:28 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0060A01F85257015_=" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0060A01F85257015_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello. I would like to randomize the inter-item delay time between 1 and 2 seconds. How do I do that? Can I put it at the top of the input file or should I add something after each item? Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow "j.c.f." Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 05/30/2005 10:23 PM Please respond to DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu cc: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Randomizing presentation time At 07:00 PM 5/30/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I would like to randomize the time presentation time somewhat - can I do >that with DMDX? Yes, a counter can be assigned a constrained random value and a frame's duration can be set with a counter. See and <%ctr>. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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Hello.

I would like to randomize the inter-item delay time between 1 and 2 seconds.  How do I do that?  Can I put it at the top of the input file or should I add something after each item?  

Thank you very much.
Eugen Tarnow


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At 07:00 PM 5/30/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>I would like to randomize the time presentation time somewhat - can I do
>that with DMDX?

  Yes, a counter can be assigned a constrained random value and a frame's
duration can be set with a counter.  See <SetCounter> and <%ctr>.

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--=_alternative 0060A01F85257015_=-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jun 3 15:15:25 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j53MEf5L015791 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:14:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335E1AB9CB9 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:14:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0614CAB9BCC for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:14:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050603151146.00bb5c98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:14:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Randomizing presentation time In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_79641843==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_79641843==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You will have to have a frame at the end of every item whose duration is specified by a counter than has been setup with a random value. Like this: +1 * "target" / <%ctr 0> / ; +2 * "target" / <%ctr 0> / ; +3 * "target" / <%ctr 0> / ; At 01:35 PM 6/3/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hello. > >I would like to randomize the inter-item delay time between 1 and 2 >seconds. How do I do that? Can I put it at the top of the input file or >should I add something after each item? > >Thank you very much. >Eugen Tarnow > > > >"j.c.f." >Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > >05/30/2005 10:23 PM >Please respond to DMDX > > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > cc: > Subject: [DMDX] Re: Randomizing presentation time > > >At 07:00 PM 5/30/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > >I would like to randomize the time presentation time somewhat - can I do > >that with DMDX? > > Yes, a counter can be assigned a constrained random value and a frame's >duration can be set with a counter. See and <%ctr>. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > >To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. --=====================_79641843==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
You will have to have a frame at the end of every item whose duration is specified by a counter than has been setup with a random value.  Like this:

+1 * "target" <set c0=10 + random(100)> / <%ctr 0> / ;
+2 * "target" <set c0=10 + random(100)> / <%ctr 0> / ;
+3 * "target" <set c0=10 + random(100)> / <%ctr 0> / ;


At 01:35 PM 6/3/2005 -0400, you wrote:

Hello.

I would like to randomize the inter-item delay time between 1 and 2 seconds.  How do I do that?  Can I put it at the top of the input file or should I add something after each item? 

Thank you very much.
Eugen Tarnow



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At 07:00 PM 5/30/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>I would like to randomize the time presentation time somewhat - can I do
>that with DMDX?

  Yes, a counter can be assigned a constrained random value and a frame's
duration can be set with a counter.  See <SetCounter> and <%ctr>.

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--=====================_79641843==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jun 3 15:39:53 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j53Mdm5L015970 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:39:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01591A9A5F5 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:39:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B16AA7397 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:39:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050603151024.00ba4c90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:21:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.3.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 3.1.3.0 introduces the Background Sound Keyword The frame's definition and contents exactly parallel a Sound Frame's, any keyword appropriate there is appropriate here. The difference is that the has no other effect other than to start playing the specified wave file in a looped fashion, continuously. As far as DMDX's presentation is concerned the frame does not exist. Once a frame with this keyword has been parsed DMDX will play the sound continually, that is the sound will commence before the item displays as DMDX waits for the previous item's request. If there is no filename present in a specification the current background sound will be stopped. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 6 00:38:16 2005 Received: from cygnus.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp2.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.112]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j567af5L030448 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 00:36:42 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) id <01LP5DNWA6PSB3O580@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:36:33 +1000 Received: from Peterpc.psych.unimelb.edu.au (peterpc.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.146]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) with ESMTP id <01LP5DNVSH3YATOV8F@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:36:33 +1000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:36:33 +1000 From: Peter Straffon Subject: [DMDX] Re: Does this do what I think? In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20050601163257.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050606173052.02868298@mail.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050601082118.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.2.20050601171401.028c8a60@mail.unimelb.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20050601082118.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050601163257.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathan, I suspect this is a mistake I have been making often. I have a habit of starting with a short attention message and normally dont put comments in the middle of a file (unless commenting out lines) so I suspect I have just not noticed. I'll now get it right! I still think that a semicolon on the end of a comment seems a bit redundant but its your software so if that is the way you want it then that is how I'll use it. Thanks again Peter At 09:35 AM 2/06/2005, you wrote: >At 08:56 AM 6/2/2005 +1000, you wrote: >>Dear Jonathan, >> Thank you for the reassurance. I'm a little unclear why I need >> semi colons in comment lines. Is this just a matter of convention or is >> it for some other reason? > > > Without the semicolons the next item will become part of the comment, > you won't ever see the Press the SPACE when ready. Comments don't end > with a physical end of line. > >! tick 11.773ms, fd 4 = 47ms, d 8 = 94ms >! ISI : 594 + blank, require 750 - 1500ms >! shortest 594 + 14 tick = 759ms >! longest 594 + 76 = 1488ms > >0 "Press the SPACE when ready"; > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 6 06:12:47 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j56DC25L031783 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 06:12:03 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DfHOP-0001Sq-WC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:11:50 +0100 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:11:00 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I'm trying to install DmDX on two machines and I am experiencing problems on both with setting the video timing parameters. I keep getting 'certain errors' and many time out's and multiple time out's. I tried a shorter sleep time, or a smaller value for the 'maximum lines to blit' field, but nothing helps. The 'tachistoscopic acid test' also fails most of the times on both machines. The reported actual sleep time are often double the requested sleep times, and many are longer that the refresh time. But some are reported to be 0.0 ms! Setting the priority for the vertical retrace thread to 'time critical' doesn't help. One machine runs Windows 2000 and the other Windows XP, both patched to the most recent version. Both have DirectX 9.0. The XP one has a NVidia GeForce MX2 video card with the lastest driver, the Win2000 machine has a Radeon 7500 video card. Both have a Keithley PIO card and the latest version of DmDX installed. The strangest thing is that the WinXP machine used to have Win98 installed and ran DmDx with that without any problem at all! So, I am pretty sure it is not the hardware. Does anyone know what might be going wrong? What could I try to find out what is going on here? I did close all other applications, by the way, even stopped the virus scanner. Thanks, Maarten From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 6 06:43:13 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j56Dh25L031934 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 06:43:02 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) envelope-sender id 1DfHsc-0006uT-40 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:43:02 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1DfHsb-0007FI-U2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:43:01 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:43:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1118065381.42a452e5c91d5@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:43:01 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX mailing list Subject: [DMDX] median response times MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, 2 Questions: Is it possible to get the median response times using Analyze? Does anyone know of the most commonly used cut-offs for RTs that are too short, i.e. likely to be anticipatory responses rather than true responses. I've used 250ms, but 150ms seems to be common. I was just wondering if there was a standard procedure out there. Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 6 07:34:21 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j56EXs5L032200 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:33:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45356ABA1A5 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:33:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84A0AB497C for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:33:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073133.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:33:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Does this do what I think? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050606173052.02868298@mail.unimelb.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050601163257.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050601082118.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.2.20050601171401.028c8a60@mail.unimelb.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20050601082118.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050601163257.00ba4c48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:36 PM 6/6/2005 +1000, you wrote: >I still think that a semicolon on the end of a comment seems a bit >redundant but its your software so if that is the way you want it then >that is how I'll use it. Apart from the fact that the only newline DMDX ever sees is the one that's at the end of a old style parameter line a comment is an item and an item at it's barest level is a CR indicator (which in this case is a tilde making the item a comment) and a semi-colon that marks the end of the item. It's not at all arbitrary, believe me. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 6 07:40:35 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j56EeV5L032249 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:40:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD89AC3988 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:40:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4142FABCFC5 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:40:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:40:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Did you try setting TimedDX's Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers in the Refresh Rate test? At 02:11 PM 6/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to install DmDX on two machines and I am experiencing >problems on both with setting the video timing parameters. > >I keep getting 'certain errors' and many time out's and multiple >time out's. I tried a shorter sleep time, or a smaller value for the >'maximum lines to blit' field, but nothing helps. >The 'tachistoscopic acid test' also fails most of the times on >both machines. > >The reported actual sleep time are often double the requested >sleep times, and many are longer that the refresh time. But some >are reported to be 0.0 ms! >Setting the priority for the vertical retrace thread to 'time critical' >doesn't help. > >One machine runs Windows 2000 and the other Windows XP, >both patched to the most recent version. Both have DirectX 9.0. >The XP one has a NVidia GeForce MX2 video card with the >lastest driver, the Win2000 machine has a Radeon 7500 video >card. Both have a Keithley PIO card and the latest version of >DmDX installed. > >The strangest thing is that the WinXP machine used to have Win98 >installed and ran DmDx with that without any problem at all! >So, I am pretty sure it is not the hardware. There's as much relationship between a windows 98 device driver and one for a unix machine as there is between a 98 driver and an XP machine. To wit, none. So a machine with XP is essentially a whole new beast. It might look the same to you and your software might still be working but there's a whole different set of underpinnings in there. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 6 07:55:47 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j56Etc5L032407 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:55:38 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DfJ0n-0000Lg-7Q for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:55:33 +0100 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.1.20050606155424.0324cbe8@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:55:13 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, Thanks for the reply. > Did you try setting TimedDX's Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers in the Refresh Rate test? Yes, I did. It didn't make a difference as far as I could see. Maarten From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 6 07:56:35 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j56Efc5L032279 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:41:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C0FAA3A35 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:41:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1892FAC58B3 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:41:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606074052.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:41:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: median response times In-Reply-To: <1118065381.42a452e5c91d5@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:43 PM 6/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All, > >2 Questions: > >Is it possible to get the median response times using Analyze? Yes. >Does anyone know of the most commonly used cut-offs for RTs that are too >short, >i.e. likely to be anticipatory responses rather than true responses. I've used >250ms, but 150ms seems to be common. I was just wondering if there was a >standard procedure out there. 200 tends to get used around here but the scientists would have to reply for that. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 6 09:27:06 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j56GQE5L000475 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:26:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E04AC614B for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:26:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67139ABC5A0 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:26:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:26:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20050606155424.0324cbe8@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:55 PM 6/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >Thanks for the reply. > > > Did you try setting TimedDX's Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating > Drivers in the Refresh Rate test? > >Yes, I did. It didn't make a difference as far as I could see. Really long sleep times are usually indicative of some driver trouble. I'd try swapping the video cards around, removing all extraneous hardware not necessary for the machine to function, testing the memory. Basically you want to perturb the hardware setup as much as possible. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 6 09:39:17 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j56GdA5L000572 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:39:10 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) envelope-sender id 1DfKd3-0003D3-Gk for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:39:09 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1DfKd3-0005is-27 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:39:09 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:39:08 +0100 Message-ID: <1118075948.42a47c2d04d89@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:39:09 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: median response times References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606074052.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606074052.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list >Is it possible to get the median response times using Analyze? > > Yes. Next question: How? I can't find any place to specify that I want median RTs as opposed to means--using Analyze 2.04. Do I put this in the .spc file? If so, what command do I need? Thanks again, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting "j.c.f." : > At 02:43 PM 6/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >2 Questions: > > > >Is it possible to get the median response times using Analyze? > > Yes. > > > >Does anyone know of the most commonly used cut-offs for RTs that are too > >short, > >i.e. likely to be anticipatory responses rather than true responses. I've > used > >250ms, but 150ms seems to be common. I was just wondering if there was a > >standard procedure out there. > > > 200 tends to get used around here but the scientists would have to reply > for that. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 6 12:31:00 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j56JUO5L001618 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:30:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4EFAC22B7 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:30:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0843DAA6DF9 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:30:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606122928.00ba4bb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:30:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: median response times In-Reply-To: <1118075948.42a47c2d04d89@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606074052.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606074052.00ba4580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:39 PM 6/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Next question: How? I can't find any place to specify that I want median >RTs as >opposed to means--using Analyze 2.04. Do I put this in the .spc file? If so, >what command do I need? Ah, sorry about that, I thought you meant mean. No, there's no median support in Analyze. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 7 01:42:14 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j578eR5L005429 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 01:40:27 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DfZdF-0005T7-4Z for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:40:21 +0100 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.1.20050607093314.031a80f0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:40:20 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, Thanks for yout help. > Really long sleep times are usually indicative of some driver trouble. > I'd try swapping the video cards around, removing all extraneous hardware > not necessary for the machine to function, testing the memory. Basically > you want to perturb the hardware setup as much as possible. The problem is that the XP machine is one of our lab machines, and I was testing it to see if we could move to XP with all our (about 20) lab machines. So, the hardware cannot be changed. Anyway, strangely enough the problem happens on both the XP machine as well as on my own desktop machine, which has completely different hardware and runs Win2000. Maarten From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 7 08:17:43 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j57FGk5L007165 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:16:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106FFACA303 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:16:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482DEACD635 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:16:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:16:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20050607093314.031a80f0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:40 AM 6/7/2005 +0100, you wrote: >The problem is that the XP machine is one of our lab machines, and I was >testing it to see if we could move to XP with all our (about 20) lab machines. > >So, the hardware cannot be changed. Oh. Well as a diagnostic measure it still might tell you something. >Anyway, strangely enough the problem happens on both the XP machine >as well as on my own desktop machine, which has completely different >hardware and runs Win2000. Basically what's happening is that the machine has something else that needs to be done by some super critical process -- which is usually a device driver and in my experience it's almost always been the video driver. You don't notice it normally because you're not trying to track the retrace but when DMDX tries to actually tell what's happening in the hardware it blows a bunch of assumptions out of the water that novice driver writers make. I've rarely been able to track what makes one machine terrible and another good but usually if one tries enough new drivers the problem goes away. Beyond video card and sound card drivers a really good candidate is chipset drivers. If the machines have VIA chipsets in them a new set of Hyperion (or whatever they're calling them these days) drivers can make all the difference (particularly the AGP miniport and it's settings). /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 7 08:42:41 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j57FgU5L007339 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:42:31 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DfgDh-0002Y1-3F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:42:25 +0100 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.1.20050607164135.0325f5b8@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:42:24 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Ho Jonathan, Thanks for the suggestions. I'll have a word with our technical guys and see if we can solve this. Maarten At 16:16 07/06/2005, you wrote: >At 09:40 AM 6/7/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >>The problem is that the XP machine is one of our lab machines, and I was >>testing it to see if we could move to XP with all our (about 20) lab >>machines. >> >>So, the hardware cannot be changed. > > Oh. Well as a diagnostic measure it still might tell you something. > > >>Anyway, strangely enough the problem happens on both the XP machine >>as well as on my own desktop machine, which has completely different >>hardware and runs Win2000. > > > Basically what's happening is that the machine has something else that > needs to be done by some super critical process -- which is usually a > device driver and in my experience it's almost always been the video > driver. You don't notice it normally because you're not trying to track > the retrace but when DMDX tries to actually tell what's happening in the > hardware it blows a bunch of assumptions out of the water that novice > driver writers make. I've rarely been able to track what makes one > machine terrible and another good but usually if one tries enough new > drivers the problem goes away. Beyond video card and sound card drivers > a really good candidate is chipset drivers. If the machines have VIA > chipsets in them a new set of Hyperion (or whatever they're calling them > these days) drivers can make all the difference (particularly the AGP > miniport and it's settings). > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > >To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 8 07:13:20 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j58EBx5L013968 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:12:00 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so292631wri for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.11.53 with SMTP id 53mr2520761wrk; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.63.4 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:11:54 +0100 From: Shane Lindsay To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Timing with a USB gamepad Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have been using a joystick in the gameport of a windows 98 machine, which works fine. However I want to run some RT studies on my laptop which is an XP machine without many ports - I only have a choice between the keyboard or a USB device (gamepad/joystick or mouse). I have read that the keyboard timing is something like 5ms error rate, though maybe it might be different with a laptop? I want to use a gamepad and would like to know how I would be able to determine what timing accuracy I can get with a USB gamepad (which Timedx recognises in the input test) - or do you have any best guesses? And what do you think is the best option with this setup for getting the the most accurate timing? Thanks, From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 8 08:15:21 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j58FEv5L014428; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:14:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA78AD9450; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:14:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5B9AD88DC; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:14:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050608080341.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:14:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing with a USB gamepad In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:11 PM 6/8/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I have been using a joystick in the gameport of a windows 98 machine, >which works fine. However I want to run some RT studies on my laptop >which is an XP machine without many ports - I only have a choice >between the keyboard or a USB device (gamepad/joystick or mouse). > >I have read that the keyboard timing is something like 5ms error rate, >though maybe it might be different with a laptop? Different for every keyboard, a lot of them were much worse than 5ms. >I want to use a gamepad and would like to know how I would be able to >determine what timing accuracy I can get with a USB gamepad (which >Timedx recognises in the input test) - or do you have any best >guesses? USB devices I've tested had a 4ms SD. The only way to test it is to build a test jig and use one of DMDX's test modes as is outlined in the DMDX Input help. Or you can send one to me and I'll test it for you, if you want me to return it you'll have to include return shipping. > And what do you think is the best option with this setup for >getting the the most accurate timing? Perhaps upping the XP USB polling rate like gamers do for their ultra high precision mice would affect the accuracy but I've yet to verify this. USB Mouserate Switcher lets you enforce a mouse polling rate of 250 Hz (4 ms), 500 Hz (2 ms) or 1000 Hz (1 ms) and lets you restore Windows' original "usbport.sys" (8 ms) if needed. http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/USB-Mouserate-switcher.shtml /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 8 14:06:40 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j58L675L016453 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:06:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A686ACA329 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:06:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F56ACC044 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:06:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050608133207.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:02:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing with a USB gamepad In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050608080341.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:14 AM 6/8/2005 -0700, you wrote: >USB Mouserate Switcher lets you enforce a mouse polling rate >of 250 Hz (4 ms), 500 Hz (2 ms) or 1000 Hz (1 ms) >and lets you restore Windows' original "usbport.sys" (8 ms) >if needed. > >http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/USB-Mouserate-switcher.shtml I just had a play with this on my system and it reduced the SD on the system mouse from 6.40ms to 5.65ms so it's doing something but I suspect there's so much hanging off the mouse introducing latency that this is not a real indicator of the Mouserate Switcher's efficacy. If I had a USB joystick or gamepad I'd test it but alas I don't. Maybe tomorrow I'll have one. ! Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.65, Standard Deviation: 6.40 ! Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.70, Standard Deviation: 5.65 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 9 07:32:45 2005 Received: from poster.unibo.it (poster.unibo.it [137.204.24.58]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j59EVP5L021154 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:31:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by poster.unibo.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F7B65EB5 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:58:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXBK02 (unknown [137.204.25.126]) by poster.unibo.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DB965ECC for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:33:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from exfe01.personale.dir.unibo.it ([137.204.24.56]) by EXBK02 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:03:33 +0200 Received: from mela.psice.unibo.it.unibo.it ([137.204.226.135]) by exfe01.personale.dir.unibo.it over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:03:32 +0200 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] using a microphone as input device From: Stefano Ghirlanda Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:03:05 +0200 Message-ID: <87y89jwrty.fsf@mela.psice.unibo.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I am part of a research group that is investigating whether DMDX could be a valid alternative to Eprime (for us, obviously it is a very nice program!). We need now to use a microphone as input device, which with Eprime requires a 450$ additional device. We were very happy that a colleague pointed us to DMDX. However, the software requirement page mentions that not everything is working perfectly with DMDX under windows XP, and we were wondering whether this touches the microphone input. Thanks for your time, Stefano -- Stefano | Department of Psychology, University of Bologna Ghirlanda | Interdisciplinary cultural research, Stockholm University http://www.intercult.su.se/~stefano From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 9 08:38:09 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j59Fbo5L021494 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:37:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06743AB0700 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:37:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC7EACE149 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:37:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050609083537.00ba4610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:37:47 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing with a USB gamepad In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050608133207.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050608080341.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050608133207.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:41 PM 6/9/2005 +0100, you wrote: >That is very helpful, thanks. > >It would seem then (without actually testing) that your best guess >would be to use a USB gamepad with the accelerator at 1000Hz - which >potentially could give a response of 4ms or less, but would >interesting to see if this is the case. I would hope it's SD would be below 1ms. I'll know some time today as one of my techs will have brought in a USB game pad from her home. >Which is good because I also think that a joypad is the most ergonomic >solution for binary responses. Certainly the most convenient. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Nothing increases your golf score like witnesses. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 9 08:39:40 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j59FdZ5L021518 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:39:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9059AB81D0 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:39:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397F2AB7805 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:39:35 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050609083828.00bc8dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:39:32 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: using a microphone as input device In-Reply-To: <87y89jwrty.fsf@mela.psice.unibo.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:03 PM 6/9/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am part of a research group that is investigating whether DMDX could >be a valid alternative to Eprime (for us, obviously it is a very nice >program!). > >We need now to use a microphone as input device, which with Eprime >requires a 450$ additional device. We were very happy that a colleague >pointed us to DMDX. However, the software requirement page mentions >that not everything is working perfectly with DMDX under windows XP, Legacy mode RecordVocal doesn't work but who'd want it anyway? Everything else works under XP. >and we were wondering whether this touches the microphone input. The DigitalVOX works fine for us. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Nothing increases your golf score like witnesses. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 9 13:43:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j59Kgc5L023058 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:42:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FEAACB283 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:42:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35ACBA9D6AB for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:42:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050609133756.00ba4c60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:42:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing with a USB gamepad In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050609083537.00ba4610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050608133207.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050608080341.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050608133207.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:37 AM 6/9/2005 -0700, you wrote: > I would hope it's SD would be below 1ms. I'll know some time today as > one of my techs will have brought in a USB game pad from her home. Here's what I've added to the Input help after testing the gamepad: It turns out that the above USB mouse times are bad not necessarily because of the mouse per se but more because XP only polls USB devices at 125Hz. There are various hacks around the internet that can change that polling rate for gamers so I decided to revisit the USB issue and see if the USB Mouserate Switcher has any effect. Times are for testmode 8 on a USB Logitech Trackman: XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB mouse, no rate modifications (qPIO12 still active, oops) 8 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.65, Standard Deviation: 6.74 XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB mouse, no rate modifications (not much difference with qPIO12 removed) 8 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.65, Standard Deviation: 6.40 XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB mouse, 1000Hz rate modifications 8 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.70, Standard Deviation: 5.65 XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB mouse, 1000Hz rate modifications 16 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.64, Standard Deviation: 5.72 Fairly lackluster results had me suspecting that the 8 bit video mode was the cause of the high variability but it would appear not to be the case given the last 16 bit test. The likely explanation is that there is a large amount of software between DMDX and the actual mouse (for instance all mice are aggregated as a single mouse) so I located a Microsoft SideWinder Plug & Play Game Pad and gave it a run through: XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB sidewinder gamepad, no rate modifications 16 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.69, Standard Deviation: 2.61 XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB sidewinder gamepad, 1000Hz rate modifications 16 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.67, Standard Deviation: 1.33 Here we can see some significant improvement percentage wise but the raw device was already performing rather well to begin with. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The first riddle I ever heard, one familiar to almost every Jewish child, was propounded to me by my father: "What is it that hangs on the wall, is green, wet -- and whistles?" I knit my brow and thought and thought, and in final perplexity gave up. "A herring," said my father. "A herring," I echoed. "A herring doesn't hang on the wall!" "So hang it there." "But a herring isn't green!" I protested. "Paint it." "But a herring isn't wet." "If its just painted its still wet." "But -- " I sputtered, summoning all my outrage, "-- a herring doesn't whistle!!" "Right, " smiled my father. "I just put that in to make it hard." - Leo Rosten, "The Joys of Yiddish" From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 9 14:42:56 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j59Lgf5L023486 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:42:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97663AD5516 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:42:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338A3AD3C42 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:42:41 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050609142951.00ba4c70@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:42:39 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing with a USB gamepad In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050609133756.00ba4c60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050609083537.00ba4610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050608133207.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050608080341.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050608133207.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list And of course while testing all of that I uncovered an oversight in TimeDX's Input test where it enumerates the absolute axes of a device if they present but that throws off the button hit display if the axes appear first so now version 3.1.07 of TimeDX enumerates the axes last. And of course I can't release TimeDX without a release of DMDX but it's currently mid release so version 3.1.4.0 of DMDX introduces a new keyword that might change subtly based on the needs of someone here so be warned: Zillion One Line Keyword MDSP bit 4000000 modifier, the bit that makes zillion response output one line per item (handy for importing into Excel). Reset if N = 0, otherwise set. All MDSP modifiers are both parameters and switches. If N is missing the bit is set and the mode is active. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Art is either plagiarism or revolution. - Paul Gauguin From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jun 10 07:42:53 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5AEfQ5L028041 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:41:26 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DgkhD-00003s-JY for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:41:19 +0100 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.1.20050610152938.0326a4a8@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:41:19 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, I've investigated this problem further by checking another machine. This is a 3.2 mHz 64 bit hyper threading machine with 2 gb of memory and yet another video card. It run WinXP and has the latest version of everything. This machine is serious overkill for running DMDX, but still I get the same results: over 50% of timeouts and actual sleep times of up to 16 ms, while 6 ms sleep is requested. I tried all different settings, but nothing seems to make a difference. (Next to it is an old 1 gHz Win98 machine, and it manages 0% timeouts with hardly any tweaking at all) So, this is the third 32 bit machine that I've tested that has the same problem. All machines have different video cards, and two run Win XP while the third one runs Win2000. We have even disabled the Keithley card on the last machine: it doesn't make a difference. I really don't know what is happening here, but it looks like 32 bit Windows and DMDX don't like each other very much. I haven't been able to have a look at your other driver suggestions yet, as the technical guy knowing about this wasn't available. But it seems very unlikely that it is a specific driver problem when we have three machines, with almost nothing in common, all showing the same problem. Maarten At 16:16 07/06/2005, you wrote: >At 09:40 AM 6/7/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >>The problem is that the XP machine is one of our lab machines, and I was >>testing it to see if we could move to XP with all our (about 20) lab >>machines. >> >>So, the hardware cannot be changed. > > Oh. Well as a diagnostic measure it still might tell you something. > > >>Anyway, strangely enough the problem happens on both the XP machine >>as well as on my own desktop machine, which has completely different >>hardware and runs Win2000. > > > Basically what's happening is that the machine has something else that > needs to be done by some super critical process -- which is usually a > device driver and in my experience it's almost always been the video > driver. You don't notice it normally because you're not trying to track > the retrace but when DMDX tries to actually tell what's happening in the > hardware it blows a bunch of assumptions out of the water that novice > driver writers make. I've rarely been able to track what makes one > machine terrible and another good but usually if one tries enough new > drivers the problem goes away. Beyond video card and sound card drivers > a really good candidate is chipset drivers. If the machines have VIA > chipsets in them a new set of Hyperion (or whatever they're calling them > these days) drivers can make all the difference (particularly the AGP > miniport and it's settings). > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > >To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jun 10 08:33:27 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5AFXL5L028366 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:33:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FAEAD4E40 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:33:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378E4ADA3BF for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:33:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:32:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20050610152938.0326a4a8@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:41 PM 6/10/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I've investigated this problem further by checking another machine. > >This is a 3.2 mHz 64 bit hyper threading machine with 2 gb of memory >and yet another video card. It run WinXP and has the latest version >of everything. This machine is serious overkill for running DMDX, but still >I get the same results: over 50% of timeouts and actual sleep times of >up to 16 ms, while 6 ms sleep is requested. I tried all different settings, >but nothing seems to make a difference. None of which will particularly affect DMDX's ability to run I might mention. TimeDX poses a particularly intensive test of the hardware as not only is it tracking the retrace but it's also almost constantly updating the screen. You might see some reduction in the long sleeps if you reduce the number of lines to blit but unless you plan on displaying extremely intensive tachistoscopic sequences I find that machines that have less than stellar TimeDX performance as you are finding have no trouble with actual DMDX work. I suspect the large sleep times are caused by the video driver batching up display commands and once TimeDX goes to sleep the video driver goes into overdrive doing all the stuff it told TimeDX it had already done. I tend to have a whole range of video driver versions as sometimes the latest drivers are the worst performers -- but that's still just TimeDX performance. DMDX tends to be fine. Another thing to bear in mind is that the default 8 bit video modes are almost useless with modern video cards so tests in TimeDX using them are likely to be more crippled than the 16 and 32 bit video modes. >(Next to it is an old 1 gHz Win98 machine, and it manages 0% timeouts >with hardly any tweaking at all) > >So, this is the third 32 bit machine that I've tested that has the same >problem. >All machines have different video cards, and two run Win XP while the >third one runs Win2000. > >We have even disabled the Keithley card on the last machine: it doesn't >make a difference. > >I really don't know what is happening here, but it looks like 32 bit Windows >and DMDX don't like each other very much. I would point out that Windows 98 is still 32 bit windows, it's just not NT based and requires WDM drivers. >I haven't been able to have a look at your other driver suggestions yet, >as the >technical guy knowing about this wasn't available. But it seems very unlikely >that it is a specific driver problem when we have three machines, with almost >nothing in common, all showing the same problem. It almost has to be, I just checked this machine and it's fine. I see the odd machine around the department (one in recent memory that I can think of but that was a year ago) that has similar sorts of TimeDX performance but when it's running experiments you never see display presentation errors. My guess is that there's some feature of less than the most recent video cards causing the problem as I used to swear by TNT2 video cards but in the machine I see the problem with the TNT2 didn't solve the problem. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Nothing increases your golf score like witnesses. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jun 10 10:43:42 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5AHh95L029148 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:43:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43589AB886D for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:43:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E721AADA2E2 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:43:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050610095750.00ba4cf0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:43:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20050610152938.0326a4a8@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:32 AM 6/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >>This is a 3.2 mHz 64 bit hyper threading machine with 2 gb of memory >>and yet another video card. It run WinXP and has the latest version >>of everything. This machine is serious overkill for running DMDX, but still >>I get the same results: over 50% of timeouts and actual sleep times of >>up to 16 ms, while 6 ms sleep is requested. I tried all different settings, >>but nothing seems to make a difference. Given that 16ms time I suspect what's happening is that the video drivers are having to wait till a retrace goes off before they are able to complete the requests they've told TimeDX are done already. Probably got something to do with TimeDX polling the vertical retrace status constantly for several milliseconds per retrace and TimeDX wanting to blit a full screen of data every other retrace or so. Basically circumstances that aren't likely to occur in DMDX, most people that do really demanding tachistoscopic displays aren't doing it to the whole display nor are they likely to be doing it when there's only one back buffer like TimeDX uses. Full screen video is the only thing I can think of but all bets are off there anyway. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up!" From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 13 03:45:21 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5DAhP5L014484 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:43:26 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DhmPV-00012s-6M for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:43:17 +0100 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.1.20050613113335.032617d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:43:17 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, > None of which will particularly affect DMDX's ability to run I might mention. That is good to know, although on one machine I am still getting 'certain errors' whatever settings I use, and that worries me. The same hardware (really exactly the same) performs very well under Win98. > TimeDX poses a particularly intensive test of the hardware as not only is it > tracking the retrace but it's also almost constantly updating the screen. > You might see some reduction in the long sleeps if you reduce the number of lines to blit I did reduce the number of line to blit to less than a quarter of the automatic values, without too much difference: still more than 40% time-outs. Would it not be possible to use the multi media timer to unlock the vertical retrace thread, instead of relying on sleep times? You're using the MM timer anyway. In my experience Window's sleep times can be very unreliable, but the MM timer is rock solid. This could also cut down on polling times, as less safety margin is needed. Maarten From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 13 08:44:38 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5DFhl5L015808 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:43:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68C7ADCB6A for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:43:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F369ADD142 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:43:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050613083419.00ba45a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:43:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20050613113335.032617d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:43 AM 6/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: >That is good to know, although on one machine I am still getting 'certain >errors' >whatever settings I use, and that worries me. A certain error is thrown after 30 sequential timeouts. You could try increasing the sleep time to within a millisecond or two of the retrace interval. If the machine is allergic to DMDX trying to determine the state of the raster it's conceivable that trying to do less of it might help things. >Would it not be possible to use the multi media timer to unlock the vertical >retrace thread, instead of relying on sleep times? You're using the MM timer >anyway. In my experience Window's sleep times can be very unreliable, but >the MM timer is rock solid. This could also cut down on polling times, as >less safety margin is needed. The thread has to go to sleep, if it doesn't nothing else executes, the machine freezes. When it goes to sleep it tells the OS I'd like to wake up in N milliseconds. On your machines it gets to wake up much later than it asked for. It's not in DMDX's control. You happen to have some crappy combination of components that's less than excellent for DMDX's purposes. Could be your chipset, your video card, who knows. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Nothing increases your golf score like witnesses. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 13 09:23:55 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5DGNn5L016104 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:23:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C8BADA3BF for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:23:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BD7ADC58F for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:03:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:02:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050613083419.00ba45a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20050613113335.032617d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:43 AM 6/13/2005 -0700, you wrote: > A certain error is thrown after 30 sequential timeouts. Mind you that value of 30 what chosen eons ago in the days before a high performance counter when we were lucky to know the retrace interval to within a tenth of a millisecond. Given that every machine has one these days and we could assume that interval is known to within microseconds I could happily increase it's value to 300 and there'd be no loss of functionality. It of course puts the onus on users to get the value of the retrace accurate which is why it's left at the value of 30. And yes, a machine with certain errors isn't good. Once DMDX hits a certain error condition it just goes into a tight loop polling for the retrace indicator till it actually finds a retrace and then reschedules everything accordingly. You can see it in the .AZK file as it will flag the error if it occurs during the presentation of a stimulus. So you could build an item file and either run it yourself or make one that's amenable to Diagnostic mode and see just how often the errors occur in a tachistoscopic frame. My guess is that it's rarely. If it's actually a problem I can either make the number of timeouts till a certain error is thrown greater or make it under user control -- my guess is that I'd make a registry key with the value in it and let you use RegEdit to modify it because this is literally the first time it's been a concern. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Nothing increases your golf score like witnesses. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jun 19 08:16:21 2005 Received: from ms003msg.fastwebnet.it (ms003msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.42]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5JFEc5L022024 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:14:39 -0700 Received: from annalisadesktop.libero.it (37.2.131.34) by ms003msg.fastwebnet.it (7.2.059.7) id 42A58B7D00357768 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:14:32 +0200 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050619170903.01e77aa8@pop.fastwebnet.it> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:14:33 +0200 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Annalisa Setti Subject: [DMDX] dmdx freezes In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20050613113335.032617d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I’m writing because I have a technical problem with DMDX. I used the program for my first experiment (priming with .avi as stimuli), then I had to change computer and the program is not working anymore. I changed the script from to (in Italian) and the parameters to adapt with the new computer video resolution. In the syntax check it seems to work ok, however when I run the exp, the experiment starts and immediately freezes. When I press the spacebar to go on with the first item (77), nothing happens. This was happening with a ATI Rage 8MB video card, and it’s still happening with the new video card (GeForce mx 4000). Moreover I read that DMDX has problems with the GeForce – do you think I should get a new video card to solve my problem? My doubt is because the same happened before. Here is part of the code $ 0 "This is object 1, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 77 "+"/ / "prototA.avi.avi" / ; 0 "This is object 2, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 78 "+"/ / "prototB.avi.avi" / ; 0 "This is object 3, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 79 "+"/ / "prototC.avi.avi" / ; 0 "This is object 4, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin" ; 80 "+"/ / "prototD.avi.avi" / ; 0 "Press the correspondent key to identify the object" ; 0 "object 1 = v, 2 = b, 3 = n, 4 = m"; 0 "Please focus on speed as well as accuracy" ; 0 "If you make more than 10% errors you will have to start again" ; 10000 / ; $ +1 "+"/ / * "prototA.avi.avi" / /; +2 "+"/ / * "prototA.avi.avi" / /; …… my actual computer is a pentium III, 640MB ram, windows XP service pack 2 Than you very much for your help! Annalisa From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jun 19 12:51:34 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5JJor5L023618 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:50:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DDEADDFB9 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:50:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478DDADDF60 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:50:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050619124902.00ba4758@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:50:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: dmdx freezes In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050619170903.01e77aa8@pop.fastwebnet.it> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050613113335.032617d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list There is a keyword to help with these sorts of problems, it's . You should be able to hit ESC and see what the machine is having trouble with. Recent trouble similar to this has been insane settings for the retrace the interval. At 05:14 PM 6/19/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hi all, >I’m writing because I have a technical problem with DMDX. I used the >program for my first experiment (priming with .avi as stimuli), then I had >to change computer and the program is not working anymore. I changed the >script from to (in Italian) and the parameters >to adapt with the new computer video resolution. In the syntax check it >seems to work ok, however when I run the exp, the experiment starts and >immediately freezes. When I press the spacebar to go on with the first >item (77), nothing happens. This was happening with a ATI Rage 8MB video >card, and it’s still happening with the new video card (GeForce mx 4000). >Moreover I read that DMDX has problems with the GeForce ­ do you think I >should get a new video card to solve my problem? My doubt is because the >same happened before. >Here is part of the code > > > >$ >0 "This is object 1, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >77 "+"/ / "prototA.avi.avi" / ; >0 "This is object 2, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >78 "+"/ / "prototB.avi.avi" / ; >0 "This is object 3, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >79 "+"/ / "prototC.avi.avi" / ; >0 "This is object 4, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin" ; >80 "+"/ / "prototD.avi.avi" / ; >0 "Press the correspondent key to identify the object" ; >0 "object 1 = v, 2 = b, 3 = n, 4 = m"; >0 "Please focus on speed as well as accuracy" ; >0 "If you make more than 10% errors you will have to start again" ; >10000 / ; >$ >+1 "+"/ / * > "prototA.avi.avi" / /; >+2 "+"/ / * > "prototA.avi.avi" / /; >…… > >my actual computer is a pentium III, 640MB ram, windows XP service pack 2 >Than you very much for your help! >Annalisa > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jun 19 16:28:31 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5JNR05L024824 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:27:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306B5AC8431 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AB9ADB29D for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:26:59 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050619162436.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:26:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: dmdx freezes In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050619124902.00ba4758@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050619170903.01e77aa8@pop.fastwebnet.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050613113335.032617d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list However you're not having trouble with anything remotely complicated, when you bind the new keyboard it's space bar's name is unlikely to be "+Space bar", you'll need to map the request to the Italian space bar name (see TimeDX's Input test to see what it is). At 12:50 PM 6/19/2005 -0700, you wrote: > There is a keyword to help with these sorts of problems, it's 1>. You should be able to hit ESC and see what the machine is having > trouble with. Recent trouble similar to this has been insane settings > for the retrace the interval. > >At 05:14 PM 6/19/2005 +0200, you wrote: >>Hi all, >>I’m writing because I have a technical problem with DMDX. I used the >>program for my first experiment (priming with .avi as stimuli), then I >>had to change computer and the program is not working anymore. I changed >>the script from to (in Italian) and the >>parameters to adapt with the new computer video resolution. In the syntax >>check it seems to work ok, however when I run the exp, the experiment >>starts and immediately freezes. When I press the spacebar to go on with >>the first item (77), nothing happens. This was happening with a ATI Rage >>8MB video card, and it’s still happening with the new video card (GeForce >>mx 4000). Moreover I read that DMDX has problems with the GeForce ­ do >>you think I should get a new video card to solve my problem? My doubt is >>because the same happened before. >>Here is part of the code >> >> >> >>$ >>0 "This is object 1, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >>begin" ; >>77 "+"/ / "prototA.avi.avi" / ; >>0 "This is object 2, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >>begin" ; >>78 "+"/ / "prototB.avi.avi" / ; >>0 "This is object 3, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >>begin" ; >>79 "+"/ / "prototC.avi.avi" / ; >>0 "This is object 4, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >>begin" ; >>80 "+"/ / "prototD.avi.avi" / ; >>0 "Press the correspondent key to identify the object" ; >>0 "object 1 = v, 2 = b, 3 = n, 4 = m"; >>0 "Please focus on speed as well as accuracy" ; >>0 "If you make more than 10% errors you will have to start again" ; >>10000 / ; >>$ >>+1 "+"/ / * >> "prototA.avi.avi" / /; >>+2 "+"/ / * >> "prototA.avi.avi" / /; >>…… >> >>my actual computer is a pentium III, 640MB ram, windows XP service pack 2 >>Than you very much for your help! >>Annalisa >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > >Interesting but useless facts #48. >The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 20 09:40:30 2005 Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5KGdV5L029282 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:39:31 -0700 Received: from annalisadesktop.libero.it (37.2.131.34) by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (7.2.059.7) id 42A58FDB003C7DC3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:39:23 +0200 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050620182704.038bb920@pop.fastwebnet.it> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:39:26 +0200 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Annalisa Setti Subject: [DMDX] video card In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050619162436.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050619170903.01e77aa8@pop.fastwebnet.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050613113335.032617d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050619162436.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list HI, thanks for the advice i solved my problem with the keyboard! I have to change Geforce card but the only one i found is the ati radeon 7000 which i don't see mentioned in the hardware requirements, if somebody has it or knows if it works i'd be grateful to have this advice as i'm going to buy it to work on dmdx Thank you very much again! Annalisa From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 20 10:16:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5KHGe5L029534 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:16:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA44ADD81C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:16:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17FFADD966 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:16:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050620101521.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:16:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video card In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050620182704.038bb920@pop.fastwebnet.it> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050619162436.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.0.14.0.20050619170903.01e77aa8@pop.fastwebnet.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050613113335.032617d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050619162436.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:39 PM 6/20/2005 +0200, you wrote: >HI, thanks for the advice i solved my problem with the keyboard! > >I have to change Geforce card but the only one i found is the ati radeon >7000 which i don't see mentioned in the hardware requirements, >if somebody has it or knows if it works i'd be grateful to have this >advice as i'm going to buy it to work on dmdx I've used the Radeon 7000 video cards before. They work, some driver versions are better than others but that's always true. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up!" From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 20 12:19:23 2005 Received: from mx4.nyu.edu (MX4.NYU.EDU [128.122.109.24]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5KJIp5L030278 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:18:51 -0700 Received: from nyu.edu (F2.HOME.NYU.EDU [128.122.108.92]) by mx4.nyu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5KJIjDU028028 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.122.210.158] by mail.nyu.edu (mshttpd); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:18:45 -0400 From: Jesse A Harris To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-ID: <25c26f025c3b8a.25c3b8a25c26f0@nyu.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:18:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DMDX] block randomization and self-paced reading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi everyone, I am putting together a large self-paced moving time window study in DMDX, but am having some trouble with the block randomization. I’m worried that the items in the practice run are affecting the scrambling because after the practice, the experiment sometimes starts in the middle of a block in the middle of a sentence. Do I have the n, s, and g parameters correct? There are 5 blocks with 76 experiment items. Each item takes 17 DMDX item lines (including the 0 and 800 items) and each block is followed by a rest. I have 10 practice items that all have the same item number (7). I’ve set n=6460 (17*76*5) and g=1296 (17*76). Oddly, it seems to work with a smaller file, but with the same basic set up. Script is included below, much shortened. Thanks in advance for your help, Jesse ************************** Jesse Harris NYU Neurolinguistics Lab Department of Linguistics 719 Broadway, Room 447 New York, NY 10003 http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jh146/ ####################################################################### !Instructions begin; $ 0 "These are the instructions." ; . . . 0 "Here is a short practice. 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Block C begins; . . . ! etc. $ 0 “End.”; $ ####################################################################### From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 20 15:08:11 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5KM7U5L031291 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:07:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BBDAAE1FC for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:07:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361AAABC8AA for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:07:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050620150351.00ba4be0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:07:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: block randomization and self-paced reading In-Reply-To: <25c26f025c3b8a.25c3b8a25c26f0@nyu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:18 PM 6/20/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I am putting together a large self-paced moving time window study in >DMDX, but am having some trouble with the block randomization. I'm >worried that the items in the practice run are affecting the scrambling >because after the practice, the experiment sometimes starts in the >middle of a block in the middle of a sentence. > >Do I have the n, s, and g parameters correct? No. Well N is ok but N doesn't matter. > There are 5 blocks with >76 experiment items. So S would be 76. > Each item takes 17 DMDX item lines So G would be 17, assuming you want those 17 items to not be moved with respect to each other. >(including the >0 and 800 items) and each block is followed by a rest. I have 10 >practice items that all have the same item number (7). I've set n=6460 >(17*76*5) and g=1296 (17*76). > >Oddly, it seems to work with a smaller file, but with the same basic >set up. Script is included below, much shortened. > >Thanks in advance for your help, >Jesse > >************************** >Jesse Harris >NYU Neurolinguistics Lab >Department of Linguistics >719 Broadway, Room 447 >New York, NY 10003 >http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jh146/ > > >####################################################################### > > >0> > >!Instructions begin; >$ >0 "These are the instructions." ; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up!" From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 21 04:00:19 2005 Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5LAxR5L002369 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:59:27 -0700 Received: from seis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.93]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DkgRg-0004jf-6B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:57:40 +0100 Received: from psy193.psy.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.60.193]) by seis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DkgOI-0000pV-Ui for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:54:08 +0100 Message-ID: <42B7F1CB.4030901@bris.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:54:03 +0100 From: Markus Damian MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] deadline procedure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I was wondering if someone could assist me with the following problem: I would like to set up an experiment in which a target stimulus is presented for a fixed amount of time, say, 2000 ms. At a fixed time interval into the trial, say 500 ms, I would like to have DMDX do the following: if there was a response prior to the 500 ms deadline, I want DMDX to do nothing, but if no response occurred by that time, I would like to play a sound, while still awaiting a response until the timeout. In other words, the feedback regarding whether or not participants responded within the deadline interval should occur *within* an ongoing trial. So far I haven't been able to find a solution to this problem. It is relatively straightforward to have DMDX perform a conditional branch *after* a response occurred, with the LastRT keyword in combination with a bicLE etc. statement. But here I would like to have the deadline sound presented only if *no* response was made by a certain time. One solution that I thought of was to schedule an event, at exactly 500 ms, that looks at LastRT, and performs a conditional branch. But to my knowledge LastRT contains the last RT collected within the experiment, so DMDX cannot distinguish between RTs collected on the current, and on the previous, trial. Is there a way to reset LastRT between trials? If I could set it to zero at the beginning of each trial, I could then at 500 ms state: if LastRT is not 0, then (a response must have occurred within the current trials, and therefore) do nothing, otherwise play the sound. Any help would be appreciated! Markus Markus Damian University of Bristol Department of Experimental Psychology 8 Woodland Road, 5D5 Bristol BS8 1TN United Kingdom From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 21 07:03:06 2005 Received: from mx1.nyu.edu (MX1.NYU.EDU [128.122.109.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5LE2Q5L003212 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:02:27 -0700 Received: from nyu.edu (F2.HOME.NYU.EDU [128.122.108.92]) by mx1.nyu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5LE2Kgd007271 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.122.210.158] by mail.nyu.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:02:20 -0400 From: Jesse A Harris To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-ID: <271d1552720555.2720555271d155@nyu.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:02:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DMDX] Re: block randomization and self-paced reading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've tried s=76 and n=17, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. After the practice, the stimulus still starts in the middle of a sentence. If possible, I'd like to keep the block as a whole, so that the 1292 lines in a block remain as one unit (so g=1292). Any suggestions? Thanks again! Jesse ************************** Jesse Harris NYU Neurolinguistics Lab Department of Linguistics 719 Broadway, Room 447 New York, NY 10003 http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jh146/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Date: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:07 pm Subject: [DMDX] Re: block randomization and self-paced reading > At 03:18 PM 6/20/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, > > > >I am putting together a large self-paced moving time window study in > >DMDX, but am having some trouble with the block randomization. I'm > >worried that the items in the practice run are affecting the > scrambling>because after the practice, the experiment sometimes > starts in the > >middle of a block in the middle of a sentence. > > > >Do I have the n, s, and g parameters correct? > > No. Well N is ok but N doesn't matter. > > > There are 5 blocks with > >76 experiment items. > > So S would be 76. > > > Each item takes 17 DMDX item lines > > So G would be 17, assuming you want those 17 items to not be > moved with > respect to each other. > > >(including the > >0 and 800 items) and each block is followed by a rest. I have 10 > >practice items that all have the same item number (7). I've set > n=6460>(17*76*5) and g=1296 (17*76). > > > >Oddly, it seems to work with a smaller file, but with the same basic > >set up. Script is included below, much shortened. > > > >Thanks in advance for your help, > >Jesse > > > >************************** > >Jesse Harris > >NYU Neurolinguistics Lab > >Department of Linguistics > >719 Broadway, Room 447 > >New York, NY 10003 > >http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jh146/ > > > > > >####################################################################### > > > > > > >0> > > > >!Instructions begin; > >$ > >0 "These are the instructions." ; > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > "The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up!" > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 21 08:15:26 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5LFEk5L003608 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:14:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FE5AA6DEA for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDDFAD3B7F for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:14:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050621080707.00ba4758@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:14:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: deadline procedure In-Reply-To: <42B7F1CB.4030901@bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:54 AM 6/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I was wondering if someone could assist me with the following problem: I >would like to set up an experiment in which a target stimulus is presented >for a fixed amount of time, say, 2000 ms. At a fixed time interval into >the trial, say 500 ms, I would like to have DMDX do the following: if >there was a response prior to the 500 ms deadline, I want DMDX to do >nothing, but if no response occurred by that time, I would like to play a >sound, while still awaiting a response until the timeout. In other words, >the feedback regarding whether or not participants responded within the >deadline interval should occur *within* an ongoing trial. Can't happen. >So far I haven't been able to find a solution to this problem. It is >relatively straightforward to have DMDX perform a conditional branch >*after* a response occurred, with the LastRT keyword in combination with a >bicLE etc. statement. But here I would like to have the deadline sound >presented only if *no* response was made by a certain time. One solution >that I thought of was to schedule an event, at exactly 500 ms, that looks >at LastRT, and performs a conditional branch. But to my knowledge LastRT >contains the last RT collected within the experiment, so DMDX cannot >distinguish between RTs collected on the current, and on the previous, >trial. Is there a way to reset LastRT between trials? If I could set it to >zero at the beginning of each trial, I could then at 500 ms state: if >LastRT is not 0, then (a response must have occurred within the current >trials, and therefore) do nothing, otherwise play the sound. It wouldn't help you in any event as conditionals are all evaluated at item parse time, ie, before any display. The best you can do is to have a really low Delay parameter and break your item into multiple items instead and live with a couple of ticks between items where if a response occurred it wouldn't register. I've toyed with the idea of buffering input data across items for this sort of purpose but have yet to see a real need for it here (ie you're into sponsorship territory). /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 21 08:16:23 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5LFGK5L003635 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:16:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39624ADD4CA for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:16:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29410ADC695 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:16:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050621081534.00bc5c88@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:16:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: block randomization and self-paced reading In-Reply-To: <271d1552720555.2720555271d155@nyu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:02 AM 6/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I've tried s=76 and n=17, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. >After the practice, the stimulus still starts in the middle of a >sentence. If possible, I'd like to keep the block as a whole, so that >the 1292 lines in a block remain as one unit (so g=1292). Any >suggestions? You'll need to look at scrambled.itm and see what it is that scramble is doing that isn't what you want. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 21 09:54:50 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5LGrX5L004189 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:53:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9236EADD941 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:53:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from KIFXP (mfg.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.29]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2171CAC4107 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:53:33 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: deadline procedure Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:53:34 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c57681$c3516f80$1d62c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <42B7F1CB.4030901@bris.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Markus, I've always argued that there must be a way to meet any presentation requirement with DMDX, but this one is certainly difficult. You might try something like the following. Perhaps this is what Jonathan had in mind. The text displays are just to indicate what happened. If you wanted feedback to item 2, you'd have to include your own branching code. +1 * "target" ; +2 "skid"/ * "target"; 0 ; 100 "response received prior to 500 ms"; 200 "End of item"; Hope this helps, --Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Markus Damian > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 3:54 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] deadline procedure > > Hi, > > I was wondering if someone could assist me with the following problem: I > would like to set up an experiment in which a target stimulus is > presented for a fixed amount of time, say, 2000 ms. At a fixed time > interval into the trial, say 500 ms, I would like to have DMDX do the > following: if there was a response prior to the 500 ms deadline, I want > DMDX to do nothing, but if no response occurred by that time, I would > like to play a sound, while still awaiting a response until the timeout. > In other words, the feedback regarding whether or not participants > responded within the deadline interval should occur *within* an ongoing > trial. > > So far I haven't been able to find a solution to this problem. It is > relatively straightforward to have DMDX perform a conditional branch > *after* a response occurred, with the LastRT keyword in combination with > a bicLE etc. statement. But here I would like to have the deadline sound > presented only if *no* response was made by a certain time. One solution > that I thought of was to schedule an event, at exactly 500 ms, that > looks at LastRT, and performs a conditional branch. But to my knowledge > LastRT contains the last RT collected within the experiment, so DMDX > cannot distinguish between RTs collected on the current, and on the > previous, trial. Is there a way to reset LastRT between trials? If I > could set it to zero at the beginning of each trial, I could then at 500 > ms state: if LastRT is not 0, then (a response must have occurred within > the current trials, and therefore) do nothing, otherwise play the sound. > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Markus > > > Markus Damian > University of Bristol > Department of Experimental Psychology > 8 Woodland Road, 5D5 > Bristol BS8 1TN > United Kingdom > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 21 12:33:59 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5LJX35L005114 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:33:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5EEADD0F5 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22455ADCB70 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:33:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050621122717.00ba4d00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:32:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: deadline procedure In-Reply-To: <001f01c57681$c3516f80$1d62c480@KIFXP> References: <42B7F1CB.4030901@bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:53 AM 6/21/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Markus, > > I've always argued that there must be a way to meet any presentation >requirement with DMDX, but this one is certainly difficult. Decisions while gathering data just aren't in DMDX capabilities. > You might try something like the following. Perhaps this is what >Jonathan had in mind. It is. > The text displays are just to indicate what happened. >If you wanted feedback to item 2, you'd have to include your own branching >code. > > >+1 * "target" ; >+2 "skid"/ * "target"; >0 ; >100 "response received prior to 500 ms"; >200 "End of item"; Only other thing to try is to use the . You'll only be able to have one response key and you'd have it set as both the positive response and the . Your item would have to play a wave file at it's commencement that has 500ms of silence followed by your tone. If they respond then hopefully the response code will see the response and the abort item code will stop playing the wave file (hopefully because I've yet to test responses being abort keys as well). /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up!" From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 21 22:52:50 2005 Received: from ALPHA1.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha1.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5M5ps5L008410 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:51:55 -0700 Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.87]) by vaxc.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.1 #31112) with ESMTP id <01LPRMMIHYWY97D6AV@vaxc.its.monash.edu.au> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:50:11 +1000 Received: from curly.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE00EAB544 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:50:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from monash.edu.au (balamb.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.11.237]) by curly.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7654FB0A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:50:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from [130.194.162.217] by mail-store-1.its.monash.edu.au (mshttpd) ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:50:10 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:50:10 +1000 From: Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla Subject: [DMDX] again when keyword To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I was just wondering how exactly the keyword works if it is used with audio files. does it load the file into a more accessible place that allows it to repeatedly play it without closing and reopening it? This question is related to a previously posted question about presenting a wav file repeatedly without any noticeable gap between repetitions. The again when keyword achieves this but i also need it to stop when a response is input. if i had an idea of how it worked, maybe i could find a different program out there that would be able to have a wav file repeat continuously but also stop when required. Thanks! Ranmalee ------------------------------------------------- Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Australia Phone: +61 (03) 9905 3487 Mobile:+61 0403 705 104 ------------------------------------------------- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 22 07:54:39 2005 Received: from hp.rz.uni-potsdam.de (hp.rz.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.64.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5MErm5L010549 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:53:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hp.rz.uni-potsdam.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5MErkNl021173 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:53:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from hp.rz.uni-potsdam.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19867-09 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:53:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mail.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by hp.rz.uni-potsdam.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5MEree8021149 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:53:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by mail.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Postfix, from userid 48) id BD916EC0BC; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:53:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 141.89.97.153 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ruben) by mail.ling.uni-potsdam.de with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:53:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <1183.141.89.97.153.1119452023.squirrel@mail.ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:53:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [DMDX] DMDX azk file puzzle From: ruben@ling.uni-potsdam.de To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <42B7F1CB.4030901@bris.ac.uk> <001f01c57681$c3516f80$1d62c480@KIFXP> In-Reply-To: <001f01c57681$c3516f80$1d62c480@KIFXP> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I have written an item file and now something happened that I don't understand. In the result file the first few item still have a reaction time after the item number, but than, surprise, in the file only 1.00 and -1.00 are indicated. here are some sample rtf file lines: +1 "" / "auf1_p" / "*" / * "auf1_t" c; +2 "auf2_p" / "*" / * "auf2_t" c; +3 "auf3_p" / "*" / * "auf3_t" c; +4 "auf4_p" / "*" / * "auf4_t" c; +5 "auf5_p" / "*" / * "auf5_t" c; 0 c; 0 "Jetzt geht es los!"; 0 c; $ 0 c; +3000 "brust_p1234c" / "*" / * "brust_t1234" c; <\unsnip> and here are some sample azk file lines: Subject 1, 06/22/2005 16:38:57 on HANUMAN, refresh 16.61ms Item RT 1 1015.22 2 879.04 3 849.56 4 732.79 5 552.47 3005 1.00 1208 1.00 9908 -1.00 <\unsnip> can anybody tell me what is going on, and what I can do to fix it? best and thanks in advance, ruben van de vijver From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 22 08:20:29 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5MFKN5L010756 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:20:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F105FAAEC20 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:20:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88580ACD803 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:20:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050622081639.00ba4758@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:20:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:50 PM 6/22/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I was just wondering how exactly the keyword works if it >is used with audio files. does it load the file into a more accessible >place that allows it to repeatedly play it without closing and >reopening it? All audio is loaded into memory (a buffer) before an item plays it. If works with audio (and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it didn't) then it will play the same buffer again if it's finished playing from the first command to play it. >This question is related to a previously posted question about >presenting a wav file repeatedly without any noticeable gap between >repetitions. The again when keyword achieves this but i also need it to >stop when a response is input. Yeah, won't be stopping. >if i had an idea of how it worked, maybe i could find a different >program out there that would be able to have a wav file repeat >continuously but also stop when required. The keyword doesn't do it? /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 22 08:24:02 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5MFNu5L010795 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:23:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EADAA9387 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:23:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E8AAD915C for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:23:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050622082129.00bc2b18@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:23:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX azk file puzzle In-Reply-To: <1183.141.89.97.153.1119452023.squirrel@mail.ling.uni-potsd am.de> References: <001f01c57681$c3516f80$1d62c480@KIFXP> <42B7F1CB.4030901@bris.ac.uk> <001f01c57681$c3516f80$1d62c480@KIFXP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Somewhere or other you've used or or you've managed to turn MDSP bit 1000 on somehow. At 04:53 PM 6/22/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have written an item file and now something happened that I don't >understand. In the result file the first few item still have a reaction >time after the item number, but than, surprise, in the file only 1.00 and >-1.00 are indicated. > >here are some sample rtf file lines: > >+1 "" / "auf1_p" / "*" / * "auf1_t" c; +2 > "auf2_p" / "*" / * "auf2_t" c; >+3 "auf3_p" / "*" / * "auf3_t" c; >+4 "auf4_p" / "*" / * "auf4_t" c; >+5 "auf5_p" / "*" / * "auf5_t" c; >0 c; > > >0 "Jetzt geht es los!"; > >0 c; >$ > >0 c; > >+3000 "brust_p1234c" / "*" / * >"brust_t1234" c; > ><\unsnip> > >and here are some sample azk file lines: > > >Subject 1, 06/22/2005 16:38:57 on HANUMAN, refresh 16.61ms > Item RT > 1 1015.22 > 2 879.04 > 3 849.56 > 4 732.79 > 5 552.47 > 3005 1.00 > 1208 1.00 > 9908 -1.00 ><\unsnip> > >can anybody tell me what is going on, and what I can do to fix it? > >best and thanks in advance, > >ruben van de vijver > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 22 16:33:09 2005 Received: from ALPHA9.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha9.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.9]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5MNVp5L013562 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:31:52 -0700 Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.87]) by vaxh.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.2-1 #31112) with ESMTP id <01LPSNOHPRES9AOP6P@vaxh.its.monash.edu.au> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:31:35 +1000 Received: from curly.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7D1AB546 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:31:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from monash.edu.au (balamb.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.11.237]) by curly.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E50A4FB03 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:31:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from [130.194.162.217] by mail-store-1.its.monash.edu.au (mshttpd) ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:31:35 +1000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:31:35 +1000 From: Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The keyword repeats the wav file and stops when required but there are noticeable gaps between each repetition Ranmalee ------------------------------------------------- Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Australia Phone: +61 (03) 9905 3487 Mobile:+61 0403 705 104 ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.c.f." Date: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:20 am Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword > At 03:50 PM 6/22/2005 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I was just wondering how exactly the keyword works > if it > >is used with audio files. does it load the file into a more > accessible>place that allows it to repeatedly play it without > closing and > >reopening it? > > All audio is loaded into memory (a buffer) before an item plays > it. If > works with audio (and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if > it > didn't) then it will play the same buffer again if it's finished > playing > from the first command to play it. > > > >This question is related to a previously posted question about > >presenting a wav file repeatedly without any noticeable gap between > >repetitions. The again when keyword achieves this but i also need > it to > >stop when a response is input. > > Yeah, won't be stopping. > > > >if i had an idea of how it worked, maybe i could find a different > >program out there that would be able to have a wav file repeat > >continuously but also stop when required. > > The keyword doesn't do it? > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Interesting but useless facts #48. > The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 22 18:01:19 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5N1115L014045 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:01:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D2AADE1BB for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B8AADBC4A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:01:00 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050622175959.00ba4758@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:00:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:31 AM 6/23/2005 +1000, you wrote: >The keyword repeats the wav file and stops when required but >there are noticeable gaps between each repetition And you've checked that the whole of the wave file contains signal? I don't hear any gap in my tests here. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 22 18:29:39 2005 Received: from ALPHA1.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha1.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5N1TU5L014206 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:29:31 -0700 Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.82]) by vaxc.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.1 #31112) with ESMTP id <01LPSRSIDTAG94THFK@vaxc.its.monash.edu.au> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:29:22 +1000 Received: from larry.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C3580004 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:29:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from monash.edu.au (balamb.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.11.237]) by larry.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5263C00C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:29:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from [130.194.162.217] by mail-store-1.its.monash.edu.au (mshttpd) ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:29:21 +1000 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:29:21 +1000 From: Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Oops! yes, you're right, i think the amplitude envelopes at the start and begining of my sound files were the reason for the gap. so works. thanks... cheers Ranmalee ------------------------------------------------- Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Australia Phone: +61 (03) 9905 3487 Mobile:+61 0403 705 104 ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.c.f." Date: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:00 am Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword > At 09:31 AM 6/23/2005 +1000, you wrote: > >The keyword repeats the wav file and stops when > required but > >there are noticeable gaps between each repetition > > And you've checked that the whole of the wave file contains > signal? I > don't hear any gap in my tests here. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Interesting but useless facts #48. > The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jun 26 12:29:51 2005 Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5QJRo5L007848 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:27:50 -0700 Received: from annalisadesktop.libero.it (37.2.131.34) by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (7.2.059.7) id 42A58FDB0056A4BE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:27:42 +0200 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050626211552.01e302c0@pop.fastwebnet.it> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:27:42 +0200 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Annalisa Setti Subject: [DMDX] duration problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050619162436.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050619170903.01e77aa8@pop.fastwebnet.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050613113335.032617d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050619162436.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_16846704==.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_16846704==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm writing because i have a problem with the duration of my items, i'd=20 like to have the fixation cross for about 1000ms but sometimes the cross=20 comes and goes way more rapidly (i can't say how much exactly), some other= =20 times it looks about correct... this is a sample of my code the refresh rate is 16.60 =20 $ 0 "Vedrai brevemente un punto di fissazione dello sguardo (+), poi un=20 oggetto"; 0 "seguito da un secondo oggetto. Il tuo compito =E8 di ignorare il primo"; 0 "e di rispondere al secondo oggetto"; 0 "devi identificarlo il pi=F9 rapidamente e correttamente possibile"; 0 "spingendo il tasto corrispondente"; 0 "Premi la barra per iniziare"; $ +1 "+" / / =20 "staticA31.wmv"/ / * =20 "targetA3.wmv" / / ; +2 "+" / / =20 "exp3A3dipa.wmv"/ / * =20 "targetA3.wmv" / / ; Than you very much for the help! All the best, annalisa --=====================_16846704==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,
I'm writing because i have a problem with the duration of my items, i'd like to have the fixation cross for about 1000ms but sometimes the cross comes and goes way more rapidly (i can't say how much exactly), some other times it looks about correct...
this is a sample of my code
the refresh rate is 16.60


<n 32> <cr>  <fd 60> <id Tastiera> <mr "+Spazio"> <zil> <zor> <vzk "+V"> <vzk "+B"> <vzk "+N"> <vzk "+M"> <mpr "+V"> <mpr "+B"> <mpr "+N"> <mpr "+M"> <d 20> <vm 1280, 1024, 32, 60> <dbc 0> <dwc 255000000> <t 2500> <s 1>
$
0 "Vedrai brevemente un punto di fissazione dello sguardo (+), poi un oggetto";
0 "seguito da un secondo oggetto. Il tuo compito =E8 di ignorare il primo";
0 "e di rispondere al secondo oggetto";
0 "devi identificarlo il pi=F9 rapidamente e correttamente possibile";
0 "spingendo il tasto corrispondente";
0 "Premi la barra per iniziare";
$
+1 <umnr> <umpr> <mpr +v> <mnr +b> <mnr +n> <mnr +m> <fd 60> "+" / / <dv> <pdvf 1> <pdvt 15> "staticA31.wmv"/ / * <ms% 700> <dv> <pdvf 1> <pdvt 6> "targetA3.wmv" <cfb "corretto!"> <wfb "errato!"> / <ms% 700> / ;
+2 <umnr> <umpr> <mpr +v> <mnr +b> <mnr +n> <mnr +m> <fd 60> "+" / / <dv> <pdvf 1> <pdvt 15> "exp3A3dipa.wmv"/ / * <ms% 700> <dv> <pdvf 1> <pdvt 6> "targetA3.wmv" <cfb "corretto!"> <wfb "errato!"> / <ms% 700> / ;

Than you very much for the help!
All the best,
annalisa
--=====================_16846704==.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jun 26 13:32:59 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5QKVi5L008200 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:31:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42232ADDE8C for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:31:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599A3ADDD44 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:31:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050626132612.00ba4728@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:31:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: duration problem In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050626211552.01e302c0@pop.fastwebnet.it> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050619162436.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.0.14.0.20050619170903.01e77aa8@pop.fastwebnet.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050613113335.032617d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.1.20050606134728.031a4890@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606073440.00bc1ce8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050606092253.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050607080708.00ba46a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050610081105.00ba4600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050613085149.00ba46e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050619162436.00ba4690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'd guess that your digital video is the cause of the problem. Try commenting out the keywords (replace them with ) and see what the fixation crosses look like. You'll probably have to comment out the and keywords as well. The file will display names instead of digital video but you'll be able to check things out without interference from the codecs as I'll bet that the codecs are misbehaving, ie, they're decoding frames earlier than they've been asked to. You may have to display your fixation crosses in an item before the digital video is played. At 09:27 PM 6/26/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hi all, >I'm writing because i have a problem with the duration of my items, i'd >like to have the fixation cross for about 1000ms but sometimes the cross >comes and goes way more rapidly (i can't say how much exactly), some other >times it looks about correct... >this is a sample of my code >the refresh rate is 16.60 > > > > "+M"> >$ >0 "Vedrai brevemente un punto di fissazione dello sguardo (+), poi un >oggetto"; >0 "seguito da un secondo oggetto. Il tuo compito è di ignorare il primo"; >0 "e di rispondere al secondo oggetto"; >0 "devi identificarlo il più rapidamente e correttamente possibile"; >0 "spingendo il tasto corrispondente"; >0 "Premi la barra per iniziare"; >$ >+1 "+" / / > "staticA31.wmv"/ / * >"targetA3.wmv" / / ; >+2 "+" / / > "exp3A3dipa.wmv"/ / * >"targetA3.wmv" / / ; > >Than you very much for the help! >All the best, >annalisa /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 27 10:27:56 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5RHRM5L014732 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:27:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66972ABC859 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:27:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C349CAD38F5 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:27:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050627102657.00ba4c60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:27:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Sid Kouider" (by way of "Jonathan C. Forster" ) (by way of "Jonathan C. Forster" ) Subject: [DMDX] Mixing audio signals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1039491609==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_1039491609==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, I'm trying to construct an experiment in which two audio signals are mixed together and start simultaneously. One steam is made of a single long wav file, whereas the other one is made of 4 small wav files. For simplicity, one can imagine that one signal comes in the right ear and one comes in the left ear, similarly to dichotic listening experiments: R channel: RIGHT_WORD L channel: left_word1 --> left_word2 --> left_word3 --> left_word4 I've followed the suggestion made on Mike Ford's page to use the "svp" keyword. While I've been able to have two files presented simultaneously (one on the right, one on the left), I've been unable to have the remaining files played SEQUENTIALY on the left channel. Here is a sample of the script: =1 / %0 * "RIGHT_WORD" / "left_word1" / "left_word2" / "left_word3" / "left_word4"; Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, -Sid --=====================_1039491609==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
 

Hi,

I'm trying to construct an experiment in which two audio signals are mixed together and start simultaneously. One steam is made of a single long wav file, whereas the other one is made of 4 small wav files.

For simplicity, one can imagine that one signal comes in the right ear and one comes in the left ear, similarly to dichotic listening experiments:

 

R channel: RIGHT_WORD

L channel: left_word1 --> left_word2 --> left_word3 --> left_word4

 

I've followed the suggestion made on Mike Ford's page to use the "svp" keyword.

While I've been able to have two files presented simultaneously (one on the right, one on the left), I've been unable to have the remaining files played SEQUENTIALY on the left channel.

Here is a sample of the script:

 

=1 <ms% 1000> / <svp start> %0 * <wav 1> "RIGHT_WORD" / <wav 0> "left_word1" / 

<wav 0> "left_word2" /  <wav 0> "left_word3" /  <wav 0> "left_word4";

 

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

-Sid
 --=====================_1039491609==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 27 10:30:39 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5RHUa5L014785 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:30:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE88DADA433 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:30:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79026AD8B61 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:30:35 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050627103006.00ba4c60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:30:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Mixing audio signals In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050627102657.00ba4c60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1039685312==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_1039685312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed How does it not work? It looks good to me. At 10:27 AM 6/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hi, > >I'm trying to construct an experiment in which two audio signals are mixed >together and start simultaneously. One steam is made of a single long wav >file, whereas the other one is made of 4 small wav files. > >For simplicity, one can imagine that one signal comes in the right ear and >one comes in the left ear, similarly to dichotic listening experiments: > > > >R channel: RIGHT_WORD > >L channel: left_word1 --> left_word2 --> left_word3 --> left_word4 > > > >I've followed the suggestion made on Mike Ford's page to use the "svp" >keyword. > >While I've been able to have two files presented simultaneously (one on >the right, one on the left), I've been unable to have the remaining files >played SEQUENTIALY on the left channel. > >Here is a sample of the script: > > > >=1 / %0 * "RIGHT_WORD" / >"left_word1" / > > "left_word2" / "left_word3" / "left_word4"; > > > >Any help or advice would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > >-Sid /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You must ask much to get a little. - Anonymous --=====================_1039685312==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

How does it not work?  It looks good to me.

At 10:27 AM 6/27/2005 -0700, you wrote:

 

Hi,

I'm trying to construct an experiment in which two audio signals are mixed together and start simultaneously. One steam is made of a single long wav file, whereas the other one is made of 4 small wav files.

For simplicity, one can imagine that one signal comes in the right ear and one comes in the left ear, similarly to dichotic listening experiments:

 

R channel: RIGHT_WORD

L channel: left_word1 --> left_word2 --> left_word3 --> left_word4

 

I've followed the suggestion made on Mike Ford's page to use the "svp" keyword.

While I've been able to have two files presented simultaneously (one on the right, one on the left), I've been unable to have the remaining files played SEQUENTIALY on the left channel.

Here is a sample of the script:

 

=1 <ms% 1000> / <svp start> %0 * <wav 1> "RIGHT_WORD" / <wav 0> "left_word1" / 

<wav 0> "left_word2" /  <wav 0> "left_word3" /  <wav 0> "left_word4";

 

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

-Sid


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--=====================_1039685312==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 27 11:34:23 2005 Received: from nef2.ens.fr (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.40]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5RIYD5L015238 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:34:13 -0700 Received: from biologie.ens.fr (biologie.ens.fr [129.199.16.22]) by nef2.ens.fr (8.13.2/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id j5RIY7gq062042 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:34:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lscp23 (lscp23.ens.fr [129.199.22.53]) by biologie.ens.fr (8.12.11/jb-1.1) id j5RIY5P7002119 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:34:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007701c57b46$d308e5b0$3516c781@lscp23> From: "Sid Kouider" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050627103006.00ba4c60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Mixing audio signals Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:34:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, > How does it not work? It looks good to me. I've just tried the script on a different computer and found exactly the same problem. I used DMDX 3.1.2.6 on WIN XP and 98. I've also recorded the output signal to see what happens. The two first files on each channel (RIGHT_WORD and left_word1) strart ok and are perferctly synchronized. However, the 3 remaing files (left_word2...4) do not appear untill 400 ms after the offset of left_word1 (!) and are strangly srambled altogether (!!!). Something that might help. I seems to have to do with adding %0 to "svp start". If I delete the %0, I found that the files are showing a convenient and expected behavior. However, when doing that I loose synchrony of the first files, given that %0 avoid the concurent file from starting 1 tick later, as described in the audio input help. -Sid ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan C. Forster To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Mixing audio signals Hi, I'm trying to construct an experiment in which two audio signals are mixed together and start simultaneously. One steam is made of a single long wav file, whereas the other one is made of 4 small wav files. For simplicity, one can imagine that one signal comes in the right ear and one comes in the left ear, similarly to dichotic listening experiments: R channel: RIGHT_WORD L channel: left_word1 --> left_word2 --> left_word3 --> left_word4 I've followed the suggestion made on Mike Ford's page to use the "svp" keyword. While I've been able to have two files presented simultaneously (one on the right, one on the left), I've been unable to have the remaining files played SEQUENTIALY on the left channel. Here is a sample of the script: =1 / %0 * "RIGHT_WORD" / "left_word1" / "left_word2" / "left_word3" / "left_word4"; Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, -Sid /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You must ask much to get a little. - Anonymous From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 27 13:21:25 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5RKKM5L015944 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:20:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3627CADA658 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:20:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA652ADCF4B for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:20:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050627131503.00ba4b40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:20:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Mixing audio signals In-Reply-To: <007701c57b46$d308e5b0$3516c781@lscp23> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050627103006.00ba4c60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list My guess is that you'll have to be specifically setting the duration of the frames that follow the first one. Perhaps your audio files are a little weird and DMDX can't interpret their durations correctly. At 08:34 PM 6/27/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Jonathan, > > > How does it not work? It looks good to me. > >I've just tried the script on a different computer and found exactly the >same problem. >I used DMDX 3.1.2.6 on WIN XP and 98. >I've also recorded the output signal to see what happens. > >The two first files on each channel (RIGHT_WORD and left_word1) strart ok >and are perferctly synchronized. >However, the 3 remaing files (left_word2...4) do not appear untill 400 ms >after the offset of left_word1 (!) and are strangly srambled altogether >(!!!). > >Something that might help. I seems to have to do with adding %0 to "svp >start". >If I delete the %0, I found that the files are showing a convenient and >expected behavior. However, when doing that I loose synchrony of the first >files, given that %0 avoid the concurent file from starting 1 tick later, as >described in the audio input help. > >-Sid > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jonathan C. Forster >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:30 PM >Subject: [DMDX] Re: Mixing audio signals > >Hi, >I'm trying to construct an experiment in which two audio signals are mixed >together and start simultaneously. One steam is made of a single long wav >file, whereas the other one is made of 4 small wav files. >For simplicity, one can imagine that one signal comes in the right ear and >one comes in the left ear, similarly to dichotic listening experiments: > >R channel: RIGHT_WORD >L channel: left_word1 --> left_word2 --> left_word3 --> left_word4 > >I've followed the suggestion made on Mike Ford's page to use the "svp" >keyword. >While I've been able to have two files presented simultaneously (one on the >right, one on the left), I've been unable to have the remaining files played >SEQUENTIALY on the left channel. > >Here is a sample of the script: >=1 / %0 * "RIGHT_WORD" / "left_word1" >/ > "left_word2" / "left_word3" / "left_word4"; > >Any help or advice would be appreciated. >Thanks, > >-Sid > > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > > You must ask much to get a little. > - Anonymous > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You must ask much to get a little. - Anonymous From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 28 16:23:02 2005 Received: from ALPHA8.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha8.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.8]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5SNKs5L024082 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:20:57 -0700 Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.87]) by vaxh.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.2-1 #31112) with ESMTP id <01LQ112848IK9AORS5@vaxh.its.monash.edu.au> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:20:50 +1000 Received: from curly.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C80AB542 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:20:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from monash.edu.au (balamb.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.11.237]) by curly.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDE04FB03 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:20:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from [172.19.197.195] by mail-store-1.its.monash.edu.au (mshttpd) ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:20:50 +1000 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:20:50 +1000 From: Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I'd like to have items stop when the participant presses either the Right Shift or Left Shift key. Is there anyway that the abort item keyword can be used with two keys? cheers Ranmalee From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 28 18:00:37 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5T1085L024669 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:00:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197DBADF7BA for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E55ADF8E2 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:00:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050628175617.00bc57f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:00:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:20 AM 6/29/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'd like to have items stop when the participant presses either the >Right Shift or Left Shift key. Is there anyway that the abort item >keyword can be used with two keys? No, the about function won't stop nor can be used with more then one key. It can be modified but you're into sponsorship territory there as there's no demand for it here. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Reality... What a Concept. - Robin Williams From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 28 18:05:49 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j5T15g5L024737 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:05:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD062ADF8E4 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:05:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313C2ADF883 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:05:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050628180412.00bc57f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:05:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050628175617.00bc57f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Gods, puts brain in gear: No, the aboRt function won't stop nor can be used with more then one key. It can be modified but you're into sponsorship territory there as there's no demand for it here. At 06:00 PM 6/28/2005 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:20 AM 6/29/2005 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I'd like to have items stop when the participant presses either the >>Right Shift or Left Shift key. Is there anyway that the abort item >>keyword can be used with two keys? > > No, the about function won't stop nor can be used with more > then one key. It can be modified but you're into sponsorship territory > there as there's no demand for it here. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > >Reality... > >What a Concept. > - Robin Williams > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Reality... What a Concept. - Robin Williams From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 17 19:19:12 2005 Received: from aquila.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp1.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.111]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6I2Gj5L016181 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:16:46 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) id <01LQRQQO46KWB3SK9T@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:16:35 +1000 Received: from Peterpc.psych.unimelb.edu.au (peterpc.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.146]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) with ESMTP id <01LQRQQNZJPUB3SDVN@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:16:35 +1000 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:16:34 +1000 From: Peter Straffon Subject: [DMDX] DMDX setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro) To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050718121101.028d7ed0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi DMDX I am trying to setup DMDX so that when a User logs onto a machine its already setup. I have been trying a few things and I think I'm close to having it worked out but I'm having some difficulties and would appreciate any pointers that anyone may have. Its to be installed on a Windows XP Pro, SP2 machine. DMDX works fine if installed and only used by one user. I'm not sure it matters but the machine is joined to a domain. I copy the registry settings, copy the desktop icons and open up access to the DMDX directory. Thanks in advance Peter Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 18 08:26:48 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6IFPt5L016923 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:25:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F3EAE854A for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:25:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C63AE8151 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:25:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:25:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050718121101.028d7ed0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:16 PM 7/18/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi DMDX > I am trying to setup DMDX so that when a User logs onto a machine > its already setup. I have been trying a few things and I think I'm close > to having it worked out but I'm having some difficulties and would > appreciate any pointers that anyone may have. > >Its to be installed on a Windows XP Pro, SP2 machine. DMDX works fine if >installed and only used by one user. I'm not sure it matters but the >machine is joined to a domain. I copy the registry settings, copy the >desktop icons and open up access to the DMDX directory. The Easy mode shortcut (dmdx.exe -ez), it'll work for all installed users and video modes don't need to be timed, they'll all run at 60Hz (even if the display doesn't). We suggest for EZ mode scripts. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ So, what's with this guy Gideon, anyway? And why can't he ever remember his Bible? From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 18 19:00:53 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6J1xi5L018622; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:59:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E2CAECD3C; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:59:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95703AE7D91; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:59:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:59:39 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050719104544.02957298@mail.unimelb.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.2.20050718121101.028d7ed0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:54 AM 7/19/2005 +1000, you wrote: >jonathan, > I'm not going to be able to setup for each user, we run classes > with 100+ students over a week. In the past we have setup a single "DMDX > user" that they all used but we found that things go wrong when "helpful" > students change things. I had wanted a setup that I could apply as the > "default user" so each time a student logs in they get a new copy. If > you dont think this is possible then maybe we will have to us the "EZ" > mode. I have till Thursday to work on this, if you can make any > suggestions it would be a great help. > >I've found that I need to give everybody permissions to the registry DMDX >and TimeDX keys, write permissions to the DMDX program directory and am >trying to get a working set of defaults to copy into the per user (current >user) settings. DMDX tries to access the HKLM tree of the registry for all keys, if it can't get the permissions it needs it then tries the HKLU branch. There's one HKLM (the local machine) and there's a HKLU (local user) branch per user. So by default you shouldn't have to do any tinkering with registry permissions as long as you're using a really recent version of DMDX (as I fixed some detail to do with this a short while ago). Theoretically you should be able to set things up for the administrator and then the less privileged users won't be able to change those things if you don't give them permissions to run TimeDX but should be able to save settings on a per user basis. Only stuff in addition to the changes in the code for registry keys is that I've had to do is to give write permissions to everyone so DMDX can create it's intermediate files in / Program Files / DMDX. Guess one day I'll change the code to try a different location for those if it fails to get write access too. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ So, what's with this guy Gideon, anyway? And why can't he ever remember his Bible? From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 18 22:56:36 2005 Received: from aquila.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp1.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.111]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6J5rZ5L019139 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:53:39 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) id <01LQTB425174ATUN95@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:10:50 +1000 Received: from Peterpc.psych.unimelb.edu.au (peterpc.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.146]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) with ESMTP id <01LQTB40OB1AB3SZYS@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:10:49 +1000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:10:48 +1000 From: Peter Straffon Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro) In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050719145125.02958638@mail.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.2.20050718121101.028d7ed0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list jonathan, Very interesting and possibly very useful. Is the structure of the of the DMDX and TimeDX entries in HKLM\Software and HKLU\Software supposed to be or normally the same? I am thinking that it may be possible to just copy the HKLU\Software DMDX and TimeDX sections to HL_Users\.Default as a way of setting up the default user. Up to now I had assumed that the HKLM entry was the most important as I have not seen the HKLU\Software entries getting much stored in them. This is probably because I normally have DMDX run under a user with administrator rights (what I am avoiding this time). Am I right that the entries dont actually store any timing information? Its just video and audio mode details. Thanks - I know you are busy but please keep the information flowing, I feel I'm getting somewhere. Peter At 11:59 AM 19/07/2005, you wrote: >At 10:54 AM 7/19/2005 +1000, you wrote: >>jonathan, >> I'm not going to be able to setup for each user, we run classes >> with 100+ students over a week. In the past we have setup a single >> "DMDX user" that they all used but we found that things go wrong when >> "helpful" students change things. I had wanted a setup that I could >> apply as the "default user" so each time a student logs in they get a >> new copy. If you dont think this is possible then maybe we will have to >> us the "EZ" mode. I have till Thursday to work on this, if you can make >> any suggestions it would be a great help. >> >>I've found that I need to give everybody permissions to the registry DMDX >>and TimeDX keys, write permissions to the DMDX program directory and am >>trying to get a working set of defaults to copy into the per user >>(current user) settings. > > DMDX tries to access the HKLM tree of the registry for all keys, if it > can't get the permissions it needs it then tries the HKLU > branch. There's one HKLM (the local machine) and there's a HKLU (local > user) branch per user. So by default you shouldn't have to do any > tinkering with registry permissions as long as you're using a really > recent version of DMDX (as I fixed some detail to do with this a short > while ago). Theoretically you should be able to set things up for the > administrator and then the less privileged users won't be able to change > those things if you don't give them permissions to run TimeDX but should > be able to save settings on a per user basis. > > Only stuff in addition to the changes in the code for registry keys is > that I've had to do is to give write permissions to everyone so DMDX can > create it's intermediate files in / Program Files / DMDX. Guess one day > I'll change the code to try a different location for those if it fails to > get write access too. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > >So, what's with this guy Gideon, anyway? And why can't he ever >remember his Bible? > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 19 09:20:57 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6JGK55L020815; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:20:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3675ADD13B; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:20:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDBBAE6F67; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:20:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050719090050.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:20:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050719145125.02958638@mail.unimelb.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.2.20050718121101.028d7ed0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:10 PM 7/19/2005 +1000, you wrote: >jonathan, > Very interesting and possibly very useful. Is the structure of > the of the DMDX and TimeDX entries in HKLM\Software and HKLU\Software > supposed to be or normally the same? No. > I am thinking that it may be possible to just copy the HKLU\Software > DMDX and TimeDX sections to HL_Users\.Default as a way of setting up the > default user. Might work. >Up to now I had assumed that the HKLM entry was the most important as I >have not seen the HKLU\Software entries getting much stored in them. The original code used HKLM, nowadays with actual user privileges and HKLM becoming an administrative branch HKLU gets checked incase HKLM won't work. > This is probably because I normally have DMDX run under a user with > administrator rights (what I am avoiding this time). > >Am I right that the entries dont actually store any timing information? They could store timing information, it all depends on what was done by the privileged users. Whatever they didn't do will be duplicated in HKLU for the non-privileged users. At 05:41 PM 7/19/2005 +1000, you wrote: >jonathan > I have one issue I hope you can put some light on. I have a > setup that works for default user but when I run DMDX (or TimeDX) I get a > very very slow response and then a message > >Retrace Thread did not self terminate > >(in both DMDX and TimeDX) >If I put the user in the local administrators group the problem goes away. > >Can you suggest anything? > >I'm using DMDX 3.1.4.0 >I can send you the Reg patch and other details I am using if it would help. Interesting. It's not something to be concerned about other than tests taking longer to finish in TimeDX and DMDX taking longer to terminate a job. The code normally asks the Retrace Thread to politely die after it's no longer needed, if it doesn't do it after a second it kills the thread and posts the error you see. It's one of those error messages that I never expect to see but it crops up from time to time and I've never been able to discern why it might occur. It's not indicative of anything not working as near as I can tell. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The way to love anything is to realize that it might be lost. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 19 17:05:10 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6K04V5L022020 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:04:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA2FAED5ED for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:04:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141D6AE91ED for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:04:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050719165017.00ba4c90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:04:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050720085135.028368d0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050719090050.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.2.20050718121101.028d7ed0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050719090050.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:44 AM 7/20/2005 +1000, you wrote: >I dont think I was clear. This is a problem as DMDX is not working. If I >start DMDX and run a syntax check it takes minutes instead of the normal >sub second. The syntax check processes a line about every 10 seconds and >displays the "Retrace Thread" error at the end. Yeah, the retrace thread gets killed at the end of the syntax check just like it would be killed at the end of a subject run. > If I run the DMDX file (below) I get a blank screen with the mouse > pointer then after about a minute just a blank screen for over 10 > minutes. I've never tried the whole item as I assume its died. When I > try and break out (escape) it takes minutes for it to respond and > sometimes the only thing that works is Ctrl-Alt-Del. I have seen it come > up with some items but I could not say how long but a very long time, > nothing like the required rate of one every 3 second. Sounds like something is going wrong and given the Retrace Threads lack of response it's reasonable to assume it's there. >I have noticed that the task manage thinks CPU usage is 100% and moving >the user into the local administrator group allows it to work as expected, >moving them back to limited user breaks it again. I'm not able to get >TimeDX to produce the error right now but the retrace test says: >Registry key SOFTWARE\TimeDX\3\1\0\ Primary Display >Driver\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz >Sleep time 13, TimeOut value 16.876, Max Lines to Blit 600, Refresh >interval 16.576 All good values. >Enhanced Retrace gives >3% timed out retraces, Multiple misses 2%, Certain errors 2.31% > >Its a short task I just had 'lying around' that I have been using as a >test, please dont tell me its something about my task. > >> N4 >255255255> >>0 <%ms 500> "Test 1" ; >>0 "Press SPACEBAR to start"; >>+1 <%ms 500> "+" / >+#205> *"Rabies"/; >>+2 <%ms 500> "+" / >+#205> *"Dog"/; >>+3 <%ms 500> "+" / >+#205> *"Cat"/; >>+4 <%ms 500> "+" /< wc 255255000 > >> *"Bite"/; >>0 "The end. Thank you for taking part."; Other than the fact that key mappings stay active once made so there's no need for repeated and keywords that looks fine. Perhaps your video drivers are allergic to non-privileged user requests. I take it EZ mode doesn't suffer from the sluggishness? I'd be looking at new video drivers as DMDX has certainly been run in less privileged environments before and I sure can't think of anything to do with privilege level that would slow DMDX down. Stop it working outright, yes, but slow, you're into the wild blue yonder there. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ What makes the universe so hard to comprehend is that there's nothing to compare it with. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 19 18:58:52 2005 Received: from aquila.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp1.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.111]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6K1wU5L022255 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:58:31 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) id <01LQUIOFD1RKATXFV1@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:58:05 +1000 Received: from Peterpc.psych.unimelb.edu.au (peterpc.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.146]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V6.2 #30995) with ESMTP id <01LQUIOF72KEB3SLIS@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:58:05 +1000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:58:04 +1000 From: Peter Straffon Subject: [DMDX] Re:setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro) - ANSWER In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20050719165017.00ba4c90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050720105941.0223eda0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050719090050.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.2.20050718121101.028d7ed0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050719090050.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050719165017.00ba4c90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX and Jonathan, I have to publicly thank Jonathan for his help with this problem. I now have a solution, I think it can be improved but it works. The "Retrace Thread" problem was of my own making. The default user settings I was using appear to have been the fault and I have modified them and they now work (if the user is in the Power Users group). The settings I have for the current user are below. If you save them as a .REG file and install them once the user has logged in you dont need to run TimeDX. You can also install them as the Default User settings but I have had some problems with Win XP pro SP2 and suggest caution. You do need to open up the permissions on the DMDX program files directory (users need write). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DMDX] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DMDX\3] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DMDX\3\LastUsedItemFile] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\1] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\1\0 Primary Display Driver] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\1\0 Primary Display Driver\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz] @="13 16.876 600 16.576" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\Capture_Driver] @="Primary Sound Capture Driver" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\Last_TimeDX_Videomode] @="800 600 600 16 0" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\Sound_Driver] @="Primary Sound Driver" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\Video_Driver] @="0 Primary Display Driver" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem appears to have been fixed by the line [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\1\0 Primary Display Driver\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz] @="13 16.876 600 16.576" that was initially [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\1\0 Primary Display Driver\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz] @="-3 0.300 600 0.000" -note the refresh time is now included. Peter At 10:04 AM 20/07/2005, you wrote: >At 09:44 AM 7/20/2005 +1000, you wrote: > >>I dont think I was clear. This is a problem as DMDX is not working. If >>I start DMDX and run a syntax check it takes minutes instead of the >>normal sub second. The syntax check processes a line about every 10 >>seconds and displays the "Retrace Thread" error at the end. > > Yeah, the retrace thread gets killed at the end of the syntax check > just like it would be killed at the end of a subject run. > >> If I run the DMDX file (below) I get a blank screen with the mouse >> pointer then after about a minute just a blank screen for over 10 >> minutes. I've never tried the whole item as I assume its died. When I >> try and break out (escape) it takes minutes for it to respond and >> sometimes the only thing that works is Ctrl-Alt-Del. I have seen it >> come up with some items but I could not say how long but a very long >> time, nothing like the required rate of one every 3 second. > > Sounds like something is going wrong and given the Retrace Threads lack > of response it's reasonable to assume it's there. > > >>I have noticed that the task manage thinks CPU usage is 100% and moving >>the user into the local administrator group allows it to work as >>expected, moving them back to limited user breaks it again. I'm not able >>to get TimeDX to produce the error right now but the retrace test says: >>Registry key SOFTWARE\TimeDX\3\1\0\ Primary Display >>Driver\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz >>Sleep time 13, TimeOut value 16.876, Max Lines to Blit 600, Refresh >>interval 16.576 > > All good values. > >>Enhanced Retrace gives >>3% timed out retraces, Multiple misses 2%, Certain errors 2.31% >> >>Its a short task I just had 'lying around' that I have been using as a >>test, please dont tell me its something about my task. >> >>> N4 >>255255255> >>>0 <%ms 500> "Test 1" ; >>>0 "Press SPACEBAR to start"; >>>+1 <%ms 500> "+" / >>> *"Rabies"/; >>>+2 <%ms 500> "+" / >>> *"Dog"/; >>>+3 <%ms 500> "+" / >>> *"Cat"/; >>>+4 <%ms 500> "+" /< wc 255255000 > >>> *"Bite"/; >>>0 "The end. Thank you for taking part."; > > Other than the fact that key mappings stay active once made so there's > no need for repeated and keywords that looks fine. > > Perhaps your video drivers are allergic to non-privileged user > requests. I take it EZ mode doesn't suffer from the sluggishness? I'd > be looking at new video drivers as DMDX has certainly been run in less > privileged environments before and I sure can't think of anything to do > with privilege level that would slow DMDX down. Stop it working > outright, yes, but slow, you're into the wild blue yonder there. > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 19 21:54:33 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6K4Yb5L022478 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:34:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1101AAE757A for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:34:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D703AE898E for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:34:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050719213344.00ba4718@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:34:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Re:setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro) - ANSWER In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050720105941.0223eda0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050719165017.00ba4c90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050719090050.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <6.2.1.2.2.20050718121101.028d7ed0@mail.unimelb.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718082358.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718172338.00bcbf30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050718185152.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050719090050.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050719165017.00ba4c90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:58 AM 7/20/2005 +1000, you wrote: >The problem appears to have been fixed by the line >[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\1\0 Primary Display >Driver\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz] >@="13 16.876 600 16.576" >that was initially >[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeDX\3\1\0 Primary Display >Driver\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz] >@="-3 0.300 600 0.000" > >-note the refresh time is now included. Yeah, that would certainly do it. Not to mention a negative sleep time... /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The way to love anything is to realize that it might be lost. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 22 13:58:10 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6MKu65L003020 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:56:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B54BAECD54 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:56:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60FEAEF358 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:56:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050722135451.00ba4d00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:56:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] LCD monitors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list For those of you concerned about LCD monitors and their effect on tachistoscopic displays this is an interesting article: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/pcworld/20050722/tc_pcworld/121906 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ What makes the universe so hard to comprehend is that there's nothing to compare it with. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 24 10:29:24 2005 Received: from usacscmail02.usouthal.edu (usamail.usouthal.edu [207.157.122.102]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6OHS35L014149 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:28:03 -0700 Received: from USACSCMAIL01-MTA by usacscmail02.usouthal.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:27:56 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:27:40 -0500 From: "John Kline" To: , Subject: [DMDX] Re: using serial port for EEG? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have used a CIO/DIO 24 from Computerboards for triggering EEG with past versions of DMDX (although I have yet to do this in XP). Parallel ports are not reliable for timings....so EPrime hasn't done you any favors by allowing you to trigger from the parallel port. The CIO/DIO 24 is relatively inexpensive, and is much tighter with temporal precision. -JPK John P. Kline, Ph.D. Department of Psychology 381 Life Sciences Building University of South Alabama Mobile, AL 36688-0002 Phone: (251) 460-7280 Fax: (251) 460-6320 Email: kline@usouthal.edu http://www.usouthal.edu/psychology/kline/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 27 15:25:26 2005 Received: from Princeton.EDU (root@postoffice02.Princeton.EDU [128.112.130.38]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6RMO45L002659 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:24:04 -0700 Received: from smtpserver1.Princeton.EDU (smtpserver1.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.65]) by Princeton.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6RMO2aV017814 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from princeton.edu (stevea-extra.Princeton.EDU [128.112.233.69]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpserver1.Princeton.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6RMO2ZP011317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42E80B4C.71DBB7E6@princeton.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:31:40 -0400 From: Steve Albin MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] how to extend duration of response confirmation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi. I'm new to DMDX, helping a researcher use it to set up an experiment. The experiment structure is simple: The subject hears a sentence (a 4-second .wav file) played twice with a 2-second delay in between, and presses Left-Shift to indicate "NOT PROPER GRAMMAR" or Right-Shift to indicate "PROPER GRAMMAR". There is a 4-second timeout if no response is given. The researcher would like the subject to get feedback as to whether the response was accepted (without indicating "correct" or "wrong") and different feedback if a timeout occurred. I tried to set this up -- see the script (abbreviated) below. The subject sees one of the two messages: "Response Recorded" or "NO RESPONSE". There are two problems: 1. The messages disappear too quickly from the monitor. Is there a way for me to force a 2-second display before moving to the next item? 2. The confirmation message "Response Recorded" actually becomes "Response Recorded nnnn.nn" with the Response Time displayed. Is there a way to suppress the inclusion of RT in the message? Thanks for any suggestions. Steve Albin $ 0 "Press SPACEBAR to start"; 500 /; $ -3 / * / "Sent3" / / "Sent3" /! /!; +4 / * / "Sent4" / / "Sent4" /! /!; $ 0 "Have a Break", "Press SPACEBAR to restart"; 500 /; $ +5 / * / "Sent5" / / "Sent5" /! /!; -6 / * / "Sent6" / / "Sent6" /! /!; $ 0 "The End. Thank You."; $ } From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 27 15:47:23 2005 Received: from wjh2.wjh.harvard.edu (IDENT:root@wjh2.wjh.harvard.edu [140.247.94.249]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6RMlG5L002834 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:47:16 -0700 Received: from [140.247.94.162] (roam94-162.wjh.harvard.edu [140.247.94.162]) by wjh2.wjh.harvard.edu (8.11.7p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j6RMlFX27104 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42E80EFC.6070407@wjh.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:47:24 -0400 From: Matthew Finkbeiner MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: how to extend duration of response confirmation References: <42E80B4C.71DBB7E6@princeton.edu> In-Reply-To: <42E80B4C.71DBB7E6@princeton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > > 1. The messages disappear too quickly from the monitor. > > Is there a way for me to force a 2-second display before moving to the next item? > you can use to adjust feedback duration > 2. The confirmation message "Response Recorded" actually becomes > "Response Recorded nnnn.nn" with the Response Time displayed. > > Is there a way to suppress the inclusion of RT in the message? > use , which is "no feedback time" From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 5 16:26:59 2005 Received: from smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (hagen.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.163]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j75NOr5L030649 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:24:54 -0700 Received: from avs-daemon.smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) id <0IKR00604VPBXP@smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:24:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wiscmail.wisc.edu (sneezy [144.92.197.154]) by smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IKR000JKVPAL6@smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:24:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [144.92.8.83] (Forwarded-For: 68.185.163.24, [127.0.0.1]) by mailst3.doit.wisc.edu (mshttpd); Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:24:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:24:46 -0500 From: JOHN J CURTIN Subject: [DMDX] question about timing in a fMRI experiment To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <10aff1d10a911e.10a911e10aff1d@wiscmail.wisc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list We have a question about timing in a script that will be used f= or a
 fMRI project.  In essence, using RCOT to verify th= e timing of trials,
 we see variation (by a tick or so) acros= s different runs of the same
 script.  Given the intende= d use with fMRI, we want to get the timing
 exact (and more i= mportantly, constant).

 HERE IS THE SCRIPT WE ARE USING A= ND THE ZIL FILE OUTPUT FROM THIS
 SCRIPT SHOWING THE TIMING F= ROM 3 SEPARATE RUNS OF THE SCRIPT.

 <ep> d1 f1 <= ID "keyboard"> <cr> <t 15000> <nfb> <zil> = <zor> <vzk +0>
 <vzk +1> <mpr +0> <= ;mnr +1> <vm 800,600,600,16,60> <bgc 000000000> <dw= c
 255255255> <dfs 48> <rcot> <eop>
&= nbsp;~0 <Branch 1>;

 !*****************************= *************;
 ! COUNTER DEFINITIONS;
 !*******= **************************** *******;
 ! Task counters;
 ! c1=3D target duration i= n ms;
 ! c2=3D target duration in  ticks;
 ! c3= =3D target LastRT;
 ! c4 pre-target fixation duration in ms;<= BR> ! c5 pre-target fixation duration in ticks;
 ! c6 counter to hold outcome of trial  (correct if 1, else= incorrect);
 ! c10 =3D total trials;
 ! c11 =3D tota= l correct trials;


 !******************************************;
 ! Pre-loading images;
 !************= ******************************;
 ! Pre-load bitmaps;
=  ~1  <ml 1000> <bmp>"blue";

 !*****= *************************************;
 ! Start Experime= nt;
 !******************************************;
 0  d60 <set c10 =3D 0><set c11 =3D 0><set = c1=3D 320> <set c2 =3D ((c1 * 60) /
 1000)> <set = c1001 =3D -100001> "Press SPACE to BEGIN";

 ! No Contr= ol/Fix;
 +10 d29 <set c4 =3D 17> <set c5 =3D ((c4 * = 60) / 1000)> "S" <% 180> / *
 "+" <ctr% 5> <= ;t c4>/ ! ;
 +11 d58  * <bmp> "blue" <ctr% 2= > <t c1> /;
 13 d27 "+" <% 180& gt; / "+" <% 41>/ ! ;
 16 d88 <% 1> "+" / ! ;
=
 ! No Control/Fix;
 +10 d29 <set c4 =3D 17> &l= t;set c5 =3D ((c4 * 60) / 1000)> "S" <% 180> / *
 "+= " <ctr% 5> <t c4>/ ! ;
 +11 d58  * <bmp&g= t; "blue" <ctr% 2> <t c1> /;
 13 d27 "+" <% 18= 0> / "+" <% 41>/ ! ;
 16 d88 <% 1> "+" / ! ;
 ! No Control/Fix;
 +10 d29 <set c4 =3D 17> = <set c5 =3D ((c4 * 60) / 1000)> "S" <% 180> / *
 = "+" <ctr% 5> <t c4>/ ! ;
 +11 d58  * <bmp= > "blue" <ctr% 2> <t c1> /;
 13 d27 "+" <% = 180> / "+" <% 41>/ ! ;
 16 d88 <% 1> "+" / ! ;=

 ! No Control/Fix;
 +10 d29 <set c4 =3D 17> <set c5 =3D ((c4 * 60) / 1000)= > "S" <% 180> / *
 "+" <ctr% 5> <t c4>/ = ! ;
 +11 d58  * <bmp> "blue" <ctr% 2> <t = c1> /;
 13 d27 "+" <% 180> / "+" <% 41>/ ! ; 16 d88 <% 1> "+" / ! ;


 100000 d10 "the= end";



 ZIL OUTPUT HERE

 Subjects inc= orporated to date: 003
 Data file started on machine BEAMISH<= BR>
 ***************************************************= *******************
 Subject 1, 08/05/2005 15:56:31 on B= EAMISH, refresh 16.57ms, ID 1       COT
 Item = 10, COT 0.00, No Responses.
 Item 11, COT 995.05, No Response= s.
 Item 10, COT 10381.63, No Responses.
 Item 11, CO= T 11376.67, No Responses.
 Item 10, COT 20763.25, No Response= s.
 Item 11, COT 21758.29, No Responses.
 Item 10, CO= T 31144.87, No Responses.
 It em 11, COT 32139.92, No Responses.

 *********************= *************************************************
 = Subject 2, 08/05/2005 15:57:25 on BEAMISH, refresh 16.57ms, ID 2 &nbs= p;     COT
 Item 10, COT 0.00, No Responses.
&nb= sp;Item 11, COT 995.05, No Responses.
 Item 10, COT 10381.63,= No Responses.
 Item 11, COT 11376.67, No Responses.
 = ;Item 10, COT 20763.25, No Responses.
 Item 11, COT 21758.29,= No Responses.
 Item 10, COT 31161.46, No Responses.
 = ;Item 11, COT 32156.52, No Responses.

 ******************= ****************************************************
&nb= sp;Subject 3, 08/05/2005 15:58:19 on BEAMISH, refresh 16.57ms, ID 3 &= nbsp;     COT
 Item 10, COT 0.00, No Responses.
=  Item 11, COT 995.04, No Responses.
 Item 10, COT 10381.= 62, No Responses.
 Item 11, COT 11376.67, No Responses.
 Item 10, COT 2076= 3.25, No Responses.
 Item 11, COT 21758.29, No Responses.
=  Item 10, COT 31161.46, No Responses.
 Item 11, COT 3215= 6.50, No Responses.


 Basically, we are executing 4 bl= ocks of the same trials and looking at
 the time for item 10 = and 11 in each block.  As you can see by looking
 at the= relative time of the last item 11, it varies across different
&nb= sp;runs/subjects.  However, DMDX is not producing any error to s= uggest
 that frames have been delayed, etc.  The locatio= n and magnitude (e.g.,
 1 tick, 2 ticks, etc) of this timing = problem varies over extensive
 testing.  Obviously, some= command we are using must not execute in a
 time consistent = manner, but we are at a loss to figure out which one.
 Any su= ggestions would be much appreciated.

 Thanks John

=  --
 John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
 Assistant Professor of Psychology
 University= of Wisconsin
 1202 West Johnson St.
 Madison, WI 537= 06

 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu=
 Website: ht= tp://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu
 Office: 608-262-0387
&nb= sp;Lab: 608-262-5621
 Cell: 608-217-6221
 Fax: 608-26= 2-4029
From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 5 17:04:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j760455L030912 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:04:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F0DAED975 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:04:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D80AE81D8 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:04:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050805170020.00ba4c40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:04:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment In-Reply-To: <10aff1d10a911e.10a911e10aff1d@wiscmail.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:24 PM 8/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >We have a question about timing in a script that will be used for a > fMRI project. In essence, using RCOT to verify the timing of trials, > we see variation (by a tick or so) across different runs of the same > script. Given the intended use with fMRI, we want to get the timing > exact (and more importantly, constant). > > HERE IS THE SCRIPT WE ARE USING AND THE ZIL FILE OUTPUT FROM THIS > SCRIPT SHOWING THE TIMING FROM 3 SEPARATE RUNS OF THE SCRIPT. > > d1 f1 > 255255255> > ~0 ; Have a look at the preparation times in the diagnostics, my bet is that your delay of 1 tick (d1) is hopelessly optimistic. I would suggest a minimum of 2 ticks and realistically 3 ticks for items that are just presenting text. You have bitmaps in there so there's almost no way a delay of 1 can be possible a even a D of 10 is pushing things. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achive immortality by not dying. - Woody Allen From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 5 17:32:21 2005 Received: from smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu (fafner.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.155]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j760W35L031088 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:32:03 -0700 Received: from avs-daemon.smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) id <0IKR00A04YT8M0@smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:31:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wiscmail.wisc.edu (sneezy [144.92.197.154]) by smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IKR00995YT5Z2@smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:31:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [144.92.8.83] (Forwarded-For: 68.185.163.24, [127.0.0.1]) by mailst3.doit.wisc.edu (mshttpd); Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:31:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:31:55 -0500 From: JOHN J CURTIN Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <11b5aa311b464d.11b464d11b5aa3@wiscmail.wisc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list

Jonathan,
We did think of that but.....
1. Although we have a d1 in the header, we override that on each individual line in the script. The shortest delay in the actual script is d27 I believe

2.  If this variability was the result of delay parameter problems, wouldnt that be indicated in the zil file?  In fact, we arrived at the delay values we use for each item partly by trial and error, increasing until we noticed no delay related error messages in the zil file

Am I wrong in these assumptions?

J

John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Psychology
University of Wisconsin
1202 West Johnson St.
Madison, WI 53706

Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu
Office: 608-262-0387
Lab: 608-262-5621
Cell: 608-217-6221
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From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 5 20:53:49 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j763qp5L032201 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:52:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885EFAF49C3 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:52:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D14AF49BC for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:52:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050805204653.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 20:52:46 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment In-Reply-To: <11b5aa311b464d.11b464d11b5aa3@wiscmail.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:31 PM 8/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan, >We did think of that but..... >1. Although we have a d1 in the header, we override that on each >individual line in the script. The shortest delay in the actual script is >d27 I believe Hmm, it's a pretty slow machine that can't load a bitmap in half a second. But you should be checking the preparation times regardless. >2. If this variability was the result of delay parameter problems, >wouldnt that be indicated in the zil file? In fact, we arrived at the >delay values we use for each item partly by trial and error, increasing >until we noticed no delay related error messages in the zil file Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and see if the problem doesn't go away. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Aug 6 13:14:48 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j76KDp5L003590 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:13:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0334EAF4913 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C0BAF4912 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:13:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:13:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050805204653.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <11b5aa311b464d.11b464d11b5aa3@wiscmail.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:52 PM 8/5/2005 -0700, you wrote: > Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect > instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 > might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there > which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and > see if the problem doesn't go away. The other thing that people hit all the time with constant ISIs is having a timeout that's longer than a display. As long as the subject responds before the display's duration is up the stimuli are all perfectly timed, as soon as a response comes in that's a little too long the inter trial timing goes off. I can't tell what the syntax of your item is from the archives as it's formatting has been mangled but it looks like you're using counters both for the frame duration and the timeout. For debugging purposes in the frames that use the counters I would each one and check that their values do indeed meet the required criteria. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Aug 7 10:51:00 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j77Hmk5L008835 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:48:47 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i25so859226wra for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.121.6 with SMTP id t6mr341183wrc; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.69.5 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a05080710487dbb3361@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:48:38 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment Cc: "Deborah L. Kerr" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <11b5aa311b464d.11b464d11b5aa3@wiscmail.wisc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050805204653.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, Thanks for all the help, we appreciate it. The problem continues. First, we provide a summary to your questions and recommendations over the last few emails. Next, we provide a much simpler item file with almost everything (counters for display times and time outs, pre-loading BMP file, etc) stripped out. It still produces the same inconsistent timing using RCOT. The zil file output from two runs of this item file is also provided. Any other thoughts? **************** HERE ARE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS (IN CAPS) **************** Hmm, it's a pretty slow machine that can't load a bitmap in half a second. But you should be checking the preparation times regardless. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE LONG DELAYS WERE NOT DETERMINED SOLELY BASED ON TIME NEED TO PRESENT THE BMPS. WE ADDED EXTRA TIME TO THE DELAYS FOR TIMING ISSUES RELATED TO THE TASK. ITS NOT A PARTICULARLY OLD OR SLOW COMPUTER AND WE COULD HAVE USED SHORTER DELAYS IF NEEDED. Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and see if the problem doesn't go away NO INSTRUCTION ITEMS OCCUR ONCE WE START THE TIMING SO THEY COULD NOT BE THE SOURCE OF THE INCONSISTENCY. YOU MENTION COMMENTS AS A POSSIBLE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. I WOULD HAVE ASSUMED THAT TEXT THAT IS COMMENTED OUT WAS DISCARDED PRIOR TO RUNTIME WHEN DMDX PARSED THE ITEM FILE. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THIS NOT TRUE? REGARDLESS, IF I DELETE ALL THE COMMENT LINES, THE TIMING INCONSISTENCY REMAINS AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POST, ALTHOUGH WE HAD D1 IN THE HEADER, WE OVERRODE THAT ON EVERY TRIAL. HOWEVER, TO BE RIGOROUS, WE CHANGED THE D IN THE HEADER TO D20 (AND EVEN D60) AND THE PROBLEM REMAINS. I HAVE ALSO CHECKED ALL THE PRESENTATION TIMES AND NONE ARE LONGER THAN 15 MS WHEN WE PRE-LOAD THE BMP FILE SO APPARENTLY EVEN THOSE TRIALS ARE PREPARED VERY QUICKLY. The other thing that people hit all the time with constant ISIs is having a timeout that's longer than a display. As long as the subject responds before the display's duration is up the stimuli are all perfectly timed, as soon as a response comes in that's a little too long the inter trial timing goes off. I can't tell what the syntax of your item is from the archives as it's formatting has been mangled but it looks like you're using counters both for the frame duration and the timeout. For debugging purposes in the frames that use the counters I would each one and check that their values do indeed meet the required criteria. WE WERE AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THE DISPLAY TIME LONGER THAN THE TIMEOUT AND HAVE CHECKED THIS AS WELL. MOREOVER, WE ARE NOT RESPONDING ON ANY TRIAL TO AVOID ANY PROBLEM THAT MIGHT POSSIBLY RESULT FROM DIFFERENT RESPONSE TIMES. ON EVERY TRIAL, THERE IS NO RESPONSE AND THE TRIAL TIMES OUT. ON EVERY TRIAL, THE TIMEOUT IS SHORTER THAN THE DELAY FOR THE FRAME WITHIN WHICH WE COLLECT THE RESPONSE ********************** Here is the new, very simple item file that also produces the problem. If you like, I can send you the bmp file so that you can run this item file and verify the problem yourself. We have observed the problem previously on multiple machines (although, this very simple item file has only be tested on one right now b/c I am at home today). The script and zil file from two runs are provided below. As you can see the timing is quite variable across items when using RCOT to record this. ********************** The Item File: This is the exact item file we are running. ********************* d60 f1 0 "Press SPACE to BEGIN"; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; 100000 "the end"; ******************* The Zil File output ******************* Subjects incorporated to date: 002 Data file started on machine EVO ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 08/07/2005 12:44:51 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 COT Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. Item 11, COT 1349.56, No Responses. Item 11, COT 2682.45, No Responses. Item 11, COT 4032.01, No Responses. Item 11, COT 5364.90, No Responses. Item 11, COT 6697.79, No Responses. Item 11, COT 8030.69, No Responses. ********************************************************************** Subject 2, 08/07/2005 12:45:13 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 2 COT Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. Item 11, COT 1349.55, No Responses. Item 11, COT 2699.11, No Responses. Item 11, COT 4048.66, No Responses. Item 11, COT 5381.56, No Responses. Item 11, COT 6731.12, No Responses. Item 11, COT 8080.68, No Responses. On 8/6/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 08:52 PM 8/5/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect > > instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 > > might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there > > which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and > > see if the problem doesn't go away. > > > The other thing that people hit all the time with constant ISIs is > having a timeout that's longer than a display. As long as the subject > responds before the display's duration is up the stimuli are all perfectly > timed, as soon as a response comes in that's a little too long the inter > trial timing goes off. I can't tell what the syntax of your item is from > the archives as it's formatting has been mangled but it looks like you're > using counters both for the frame duration and the timeout. For debugging > purposes in the frames that use the counters I would each one and > check that their values do indeed meet the required criteria. > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Aug 7 10:54:11 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j77HrW5L008868 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:53:32 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i25so860019wra for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.13.77 with SMTP id 77mr4266115wrm; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.69.5 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a05080710531729b9d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:53:26 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <11b5aa311b464d.11b464d11b5aa3@wiscmail.wisc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050805204653.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list As one final check, instead of presenting the blue.bmp file, we simply presented the word blue as text. Still produces the inconsistent RCOT times across runs. Here is the item file which you should be able to run. d60 f1 0 "Press SPACE to BEGIN"; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; 100000 "the end"; On 8/6/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 08:52 PM 8/5/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect > > instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 > > might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there > > which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and > > see if the problem doesn't go away. > > > The other thing that people hit all the time with constant ISIs is > having a timeout that's longer than a display. As long as the subject > responds before the display's duration is up the stimuli are all perfectly > timed, as soon as a response comes in that's a little too long the inter > trial timing goes off. I can't tell what the syntax of your item is from > the archives as it's formatting has been mangled but it looks like you're > using counters both for the frame duration and the timeout. For debugging > purposes in the frames that use the counters I would each one and > check that their values do indeed meet the required criteria. > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Aug 7 11:02:42 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j77I205L008935 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:02:00 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i25so861157wra for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.30.27 with SMTP id d27mr4271536wrd; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.69.5 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a0508071101475880ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:01:55 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <11b5aa311b464d.11b464d11b5aa3@wiscmail.wisc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050805204653.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list and the same problem is observed using the azk rather than zil response format. Itemfile d60 f1 0 "Press SPACE to BEGIN"; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /; 100000 "the end"; Output Subjects incorporated to date: 002 Data file started on machine EVO ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 08/07/2005 12:57:16 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms Item RT COT 11 -200.00 0.00 11 -200.00 1349.55 11 -200.00 2699.11 11 -200.00 4048.67 11 -200.00 5398.22 11 -200.00 6747.78 11 -200.00 8097.33 ********************************************************************** Subject 2, 08/07/2005 12:57:44 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 2 Item RT COT 11 -200.00 0.00 11 -200.00 1349.56 11 -200.00 2699.11 11 -200.00 4032.01 11 -200.00 5381.56 11 -200.00 6714.46 11 -200.00 8047.35 On 8/6/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 08:52 PM 8/5/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect > > instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 > > might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there > > which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and > > see if the problem doesn't go away. > > > The other thing that people hit all the time with constant ISIs is > having a timeout that's longer than a display. As long as the subject > responds before the display's duration is up the stimuli are all perfectly > timed, as soon as a response comes in that's a little too long the inter > trial timing goes off. I can't tell what the syntax of your item is from > the archives as it's formatting has been mangled but it looks like you're > using counters both for the frame duration and the timeout. For debugging > purposes in the frames that use the counters I would each one and > check that their values do indeed meet the required criteria. > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Aug 7 12:22:35 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j77JLf5L009357 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:21:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DCFAF9386 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:21:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B353AF800A for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:11:01 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050807121030.00bbcc08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 12:10:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a0508071101475880ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <11b5aa311b464d.11b464d11b5aa3@wiscmail.wisc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050805204653.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:01 PM 8/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: >and the same problem is observed using the azk rather than zil response >format. Yeah, that wouldn't affect anything. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Aug 7 12:26:17 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j77JPa5L009396 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:25:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94361AFA8E2 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:25:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861E3AF9E56 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:21:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050807120549.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 12:21:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a05080710487dbb3361@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <11b5aa311b464d.11b464d11b5aa3@wiscmail.wisc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050805204653.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:48 PM 8/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: >JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE LONG DELAYS WERE NOT DETERMINED SOLELY BASED ON >TIME NEED TO PRESENT THE BMPS. WE ADDED EXTRA TIME TO THE DELAYS FOR >TIMING ISSUES RELATED TO THE TASK. ITS NOT A PARTICULARLY OLD OR SLOW >COMPUTER AND WE COULD HAVE USED SHORTER DELAYS IF NEEDED. Doesn't matter, you need to check the preparation times. The fastest machine in the world can be reduced to slow pig by worms or a failing hard disk. But from the results below I'd say that's not your problem as we'd be seeing display errors. >YOU MENTION COMMENTS AS A POSSIBLE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. I WOULD >HAVE ASSUMED THAT TEXT THAT IS COMMENTED OUT WAS DISCARDED PRIOR TO >RUNTIME WHEN DMDX PARSED THE ITEM FILE. No, it's an item that's ignored but it's still an item and the delay parameter affects it and so comments are a concern when D is 1. > d60 f1 800,600,600,16,60> >0 "Press SPACE to BEGIN"; >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; >100000 "the end"; > >******************* >The Zil File output >******************* > >Subjects incorporated to date: 002 >Data file started on machine EVO > >********************************************************************** >Subject 1, 08/07/2005 12:44:51 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 COT >Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 1349.56, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 2682.45, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 4032.01, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 5364.90, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 6697.79, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 8030.69, No Responses. > >********************************************************************** >Subject 2, 08/07/2005 12:45:13 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 2 COT >Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 1349.55, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 2699.11, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 4048.66, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 5381.56, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 6731.12, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 8080.68, No Responses. Well I'd be checking TimeDX's values for that display mode, what you see there with an item taking 80 or 81 ticks when it should be taking 81 ticks pretty much only comes about when the retrace interval is radically different than that which is described in the registry. I'd be seeing if the Enhanced Retrace Test really indicates a 60 Hz retrace and not something else entirely. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Aug 7 14:27:40 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j77LQI5L010085 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:26:19 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so529090wra for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.111.11 with SMTP id j11mr3820474wrc; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.69.5 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a05080714263e30b6e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:26:12 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050807120549.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <11b5aa311b464d.11b464d11b5aa3@wiscmail.wisc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050805204653.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <9ae8f64a05080710487dbb3361@mail.gmail.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050807120549.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I guess it depends on what you mean by "radically different" First, remember that this is my notebook at home which may not be ideal for running DMDX. However, we are observing the same problems on desktops configured for DMDX on campus. When I do "Basic Tests: Refresh rate" it returns either 16.64 or 16.66. Currently 16.661 is saved in the registry from the last timing test. If I use 16.661 and press the Enh Retrace button in the Time Video mode test, I see a blue box in center of screen with red on top and bottom. Its fairly stable with a little jumping up and down but no systematic movement of the boxes in either direction. If I use 16.641 and press the Enh Retrace button, the red and blue boxes slowly scroll up the screen, suggesting this isnt the right setting? Therefore we have continued to use 16.661 If I select the Do Test button from Time Video mode, I get relatively high timed out retraces (53%) and multiple misses (19%) but 0% certain errors. If I run the Tachistoscopic Acid test for 141 flips, I get 140 timed out, 0 multipy timedout 0 certain errors, 0 last minute flips, 0 wait for blit, the longest flip is 16.86 and the longest blit is 17.69. Do any of these stats suggest the source of the error? Its surprising to me that it occurs on multiple computers also. J On 8/7/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 12:48 PM 8/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > >JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE LONG DELAYS WERE NOT DETERMINED SOLELY BASED ON > >TIME NEED TO PRESENT THE BMPS. WE ADDED EXTRA TIME TO THE DELAYS FOR > >TIMING ISSUES RELATED TO THE TASK. ITS NOT A PARTICULARLY OLD OR SLOW > >COMPUTER AND WE COULD HAVE USED SHORTER DELAYS IF NEEDED. > > Doesn't matter, you need to check the preparation times. The fastest > machine in the world can be reduced to slow pig by worms or a failing hard > disk. But from the results below I'd say that's not your problem as we'd > be seeing display errors. > > > >YOU MENTION COMMENTS AS A POSSIBLE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. I WOULD > >HAVE ASSUMED THAT TEXT THAT IS COMMENTED OUT WAS DISCARDED PRIOR TO > >RUNTIME WHEN DMDX PARSED THE ITEM FILE. > > No, it's an item that's ignored but it's still an item and the delay > parameter affects it and so comments are a concern when D is 1. > > > > > d60 f1 >800,600,600,16,60> > >0 "Press SPACE to BEGIN"; > >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; > >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; > >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; > >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; > >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; > >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; > >+11 * "blue" <% 20> /; > >100000 "the end"; > > > >******************* > >The Zil File output > >******************* > > > >Subjects incorporated to date: 002 > >Data file started on machine EVO > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 1, 08/07/2005 12:44:51 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 COT > >Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 1349.56, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 2682.45, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 4032.01, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 5364.90, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 6697.79, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 8030.69, No Responses. > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 2, 08/07/2005 12:45:13 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 2 COT > >Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 1349.55, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 2699.11, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 4048.66, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 5381.56, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 6731.12, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 8080.68, No Responses. > > > Well I'd be checking TimeDX's values for that display mode, what you > see there with an item taking 80 or 81 ticks when it should be taking 81 > ticks pretty much only comes about when the retrace interval is radically > different than that which is described in the registry. I'd be seeing if > the Enhanced Retrace Test really indicates a 60 Hz retrace and not > something else entirely. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Aug 7 17:09:00 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7807c5L010970; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:07:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D1DAFA681; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:07:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11894AFB2E2; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:07:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050807154813.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:07:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a05080714263e30b6e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050807120549.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <11b5aa311b464d.11b464d11b5aa3@wiscmail.wisc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050805204653.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050806130829.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <9ae8f64a05080710487dbb3361@mail.gmail.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050807120549.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:26 PM 8/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I guess it depends on what you mean by "radically different" >First, remember that this is my notebook at home which may not be >ideal for running DMDX. However, we are observing the same problems >on desktops configured for DMDX on campus. > >When I do "Basic Tests: Refresh rate" it returns either 16.64 or >16.66. Currently 16.661 is saved in the registry from the last timing >test. Essentially identical. Radically different is another retrace interval, 70 Hz, 85 Hz, that kind of thing. >If I use 16.661 and press the Enh Retrace button in the Time Video >mode test, I see a blue box in center of screen with red on top and >bottom. Its fairly stable with a little jumping up and down but no >systematic movement of the boxes in either direction. If I use 16.641 >and press the Enh Retrace button, the red and blue boxes slowly scroll >up the screen, suggesting this isnt the right setting? Yes. > Therefore we >have continued to use 16.661 > >If I select the Do Test button from Time Video mode, I get relatively >high timed out retraces (53%) and multiple misses (19%) but 0% certain >errors. Not great but probably functioning. >If I run the Tachistoscopic Acid test for 141 flips, I get 140 timed >out, 0 multipy timedout 0 certain errors, 0 last minute flips, 0 wait >for blit, the longest flip is 16.86 and the longest blit is 17.69. > >Do any of these stats suggest the source of the error? Its surprising >to me that it occurs on multiple computers also. Those are all usable sorts of timing characteristics, nothing great but probably not causing your delay inconsistencies. Hmm, well it's a mystery to me. I can see a similar effect here at home (a wretched machine for DMDX if ever there was one) but instead of 80 ticks I see things like 82 ticks (a much easier thing to explain that 80 ticks). I'm thinking the code is busted but we have any number of people running fMRI stuff with and if it wasn't working I'm sure I'd be hearing about it -- perhaps they're all using earlier versions that are still ok. Gods, you can even see it in EZ mode where there is no raster synch. Weird, my guess is something I stuck in to allow super fast branching has disturbed the Delay mechanism. I'll be looking at it this week, rest assured. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 8 15:37:09 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j78MZU5L018094 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:35:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06BDAF19AB for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:35:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44064AF6EFF for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:35:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050808151107.00ba4b18@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:35:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] delay issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list It looks like the issue John Curtin is running into is a race condition that's been possible for quite some time. In tearing the code apart there are actually two quite distinct mechanisms for (or ) and (or or C) in the last frame of an item. On most machines it's a non-issue otherwise I'd have seen a lot more of it before now but sometimes the time that an item's last frame occurs at for the purposes of can be one tick earlier than it's supposed to be when you use the global . If you use C in the last frame of every item results appear to be much more stable but item times are 1 tick less than when using . I'll have to think about the correct way to fix this and make conventional functionality not change so in the interim use something like this: d60 f1 0 "Press SPACE to BEGIN"; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /c; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /c; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /c; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /c; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /c; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /c; +11 * "blue" <% 20> /c; 100000 "the end"; Every item will be taking 80 ticks to execute instead of the 81 that happen with because the next item is scheduled from the time that the frame that contains the C is displayed, not the time that work for that item is finished. In fact has never been a rigorous mechanism as far as I can tell, on a very busy machine it's always been possible for to be delayed. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achive immortality by not dying. - Woody Allen From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 8 17:07:53 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7907b5L018750 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:07:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC99CAFCC2E for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:07:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CD2AF17CB for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:07:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050808164527.00ba4b50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:07:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well that was a lot easier than it might have otherwise been. DMDX 3.1.4.1 should be up on the web page and that fixes the inconsistencies that have been seen lately. The and keywords function as they did before however is no longer subject to the race conditions that later CPUs were capable of and in addition will not be subject to inconsistent delays on an excessively loaded CPU either. Hopefully I've coded it in such a fashion as to not interfere with anything else... /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achive immortality by not dying. - Woody Allen From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 10 18:33:26 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7B1Vk5L030245 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:31:47 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so203572rna for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.1.5 with SMTP id d5mr447585rni; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.1.78 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:31:46 -0400 From: Yuval Marton To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] varying text color within the same word Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDX power users, I am trying to create an experiment in DMDX for the first time. I need to change the text color within the same word. I can change the default color for the entire text, but cannot control it for each letter. I tried - "A B C" but I get the whole string with the control sequence right back at me. - "A" "B" "C" but I get error message regarding multiple text segments in same item. - "A /cf.. B /cf.. C" but I get "ABC" in one uniform (default) color. - "A" /cf.. "B" /cf.. "C" gives the same multiple text segments error described above. I searched the list archives and couldn't find anything relevant. Hopefully someone here can help me out? Many thanks, -Yuval. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 10 21:34:47 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7B4Y85L030459 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:34:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06620AE8712 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:34:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEA4AFF3A1 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:34:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:34:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1906157812==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_1906157812==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:31 PM 8/10/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Dear DMDX power users, >I am trying to create an experiment in DMDX for the first time. I need >to change the text color within the same word. I can change the >default color for the entire text, but cannot control it for each >letter. I tried >- "A B C" but I get the whole string with the control >sequence right back at me. >- "A" "B" "C" but I get error message regarding >multiple text segments in same item. >- "A /cf.. B /cf.. C" but I get "ABC" in one uniform (default) color. >- "A" /cf.. "B" /cf.. "C" gives the same multiple text segments error >described above. > >I searched the list archives and couldn't find anything relevant. Change the color of the text in the item file. Like this: "ABC" /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is one of them. --=====================_1906157812==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:31 PM 8/10/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Dear DMDX power users,
I am trying to create an experiment in DMDX for the first time. I need
to change the text color within the same word. I can change the
default color for the entire text, but cannot control it for each
letter. I tried
- "A <wc..> B <wc...> C" but I get the whole string with the control
sequence right back at me.
- "A" <wc..> "B" <wc...> "C" but I get error message regarding
multiple text segments in same item.
- "A /cf.. B /cf.. C"  but I get "ABC" in one uniform (default) color.
- "A" /cf.. "B" /cf.. "C" gives the same multiple text segments error
described above.

I searched the list archives and couldn't find anything relevant.

  Change the color of the text in the item file.  Like this:

"ABC"

                                               /"\
 -jonathan (j.c.f.)                            \ /
                                                X
    ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL  / \

There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is
one of them.

--=====================_1906157812==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 10 22:38:43 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7B5cK5L030541 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:38:20 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so236002rna for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.98.5 with SMTP id v5mr518336rnb; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.1.78 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:38:18 -0400 From: Yuval Marton To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, Thanks for your fast reply. Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the "" as part of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a backslash gives an error: unknown (\") ; applying it without quotation marks altogether, I get the error "unknown keyword ". I guess it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? (If possible, as an attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) Thanks again, -Yuval. On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 09:31 PM 8/10/2005 -0400, you wrote: > Dear DMDX power users, > I am trying to create an experiment in DMDX for the first time. I need > to change the text color within the same word. I can change the > default color for the entire text, but cannot control it for each > letter. I tried > - "A B C" but I get the whole string with the control > sequence right back at me. > - "A" "B" "C" but I get error message regarding > multiple text segments in same item. > - "A /cf.. B /cf.. C" but I get "ABC" in one uniform (default) color. > - "A" /cf.. "B" /cf.. "C" gives the same multiple text segments error > described above. > > I searched the list archives and couldn't find anything relevant. > Change the color of the text in the item file. Like this: > > "ABC" > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is > one of them. > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 11 03:24:45 2005 Received: from maccs.mq.edu.au (currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7BANv5L030767 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:23:58 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by maccs.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j7BANuZ27814 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:23:56 +1000 Received: from 193.63.253.218 ( [193.63.253.218]) as user awoollam@currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au by www.maccs.mq.edu.au with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:23:56 +1000 Message-ID: <1123755836.42fb273c0754f@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:23:56 +1000 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dell Inspiron 6000 References: <20050406111612.9294A14D65@pobox.une.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <20050406111612.9294A14D65@pobox.une.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDXers, > Some few months ago now someone inquired about a Dell Inspiron 6000, > well I'm thinking of buying a Dell Inspiron 6000UMA 1600GT. (dont know > what the UMA 1600GT means) Does anyone know if the 6000 range works. I > think it was Anna Woollams who said she was going to ordered one. I'd > really appreciate it if someone could let me know if it worked, > especially the UMA 1600GT version. A rather belated response to Keith's query: the Inspiron 6000 that I purchased appears to run the lastest versions of DMDX just fine so far, although I have not run any really display time critical experiments on this machine as yet. Also, my machine has rather an annoying low level buzz during wav file recording that I have not been able to eliminate, but this may be just an idiosyncratic problem (I still need to consult Dell regarding this issue). With respect to the UMA 1600GT suffix, I'm afraid I'm not much help in that department, although I can tell you that it refers at least partially to the particular type of Intel graphics chip used for that version of the laptop. Best wishes, Anna W. 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From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 11 03:33:45 2005 Received: from maccs.mq.edu.au (currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7BAXb5L030790 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:33:40 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by maccs.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j7BAXao27896 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:33:36 +1000 Received: from 193.63.253.218 ( [193.63.253.218]) as user awoollam@currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au by www.maccs.mq.edu.au with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:33:36 +1000 Message-ID: <1123756416.42fb2980c5c33@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:33:36 +1000 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDXers, > Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but > applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the "" as part > of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a > backslash gives an error: unknown (\") ; applying it without quotation > marks altogether, I get the error "unknown keyword ". I guess > it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. > Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? I recall having trouble with changing text colour in this fashion some time ago. I am ashamed to admit that I never really got to the bottom of the problem, but I did use the following syntax to get around it: +500 "+" / "a "/ ! " b " / ! " c" *; What this does is just tell DMDX to prepare the frame with "a" in one colour, hold that in memory, prepare "b" in another colour, hold that in memory, prepare "c" in yet another colour, and then display them all together. The main problem with adopting this solution is that it limits you to using only nonproportional fonts (e.g. Courier), otherwise your different letters will overlap at display. I'm sure that Jonathan can offer a far more elegant solution than the one I have outlined here, but I thought I would just mention this alternative in case it might prove useful. Best wishes, Anna W. 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From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 11 09:18:20 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7BGHc5L031389 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:17:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2698BB007A6 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:17:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248D5B00797 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:17:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050811091340.00ba47f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:17:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Jonathan, >Thanks for your fast reply. >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the "" as part >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a >backslash gives an error: unknown (\") ; applying it without quotation >marks altogether, I get the error "unknown keyword ". I guess >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, highlight a letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would assemble an .RTF by hand. >(If possible, as an >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is one of them. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 12 07:49:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7CEkw5L004981 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:46:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AA1B03134 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:46:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BF7B034CF for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:46:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050812074644.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:46:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Fwd: Can't access DMDX tutorials Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list >X-Sender: jforster@inbox.email.arizona.edu >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:45:52 -0700 >To: "j.c.f." >From: Joachim Stoeber (by way of "Jonathan C. >Forster" ) >Subject: Can't access DMDX tutorials >X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at email.arizona.edu > > >Hi Jonathan, >sorry to bother. >I am planning to run some experiments this autumn, and a friend of mine >recommended DMDC. >Looking at your website (http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx.htm), I >cannot access Mike Ford's or Matt Davis's tutorial. >Could you help. >Thanks a lot in advance! >Cheers, -- Joachim >___________________ > >Dr Joachim Stoeber >Lecturer in Psychology >Department of Psychology >University of Kent >Canterbury, Kent CT2 7NP >United Kingdom >Tel: +44 (0)1227 82-4196 >Fax: +44 (0)1227 82-7030 >E-Mail: J.Stoeber@kent.ac.uk >Web: www.kent.ac.uk/psychology/department/people/stoeberj/ /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an Enterprise security team, who always get killed soon after appearing, and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of a planet? - Tom Galloway From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 12 10:42:08 2005 Received: from Chapar.NIC.IR (chapar.iranet.ir [194.225.73.134]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7CH775L005580 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:07:09 -0700 Received: from ipm.ir (mail.iranet.ir [194.225.73.130]) by Chapar.NIC.IR (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j7CH6vH24013 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:36:57 +0430 Received: from WorldClient by ipm.ir (MDaemon.PRO.v8.0.3.R) with ESMTP id md50000433604.msg for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:34:15 +0430 Received: from [82.99.197.39] via WorldClient with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:34:14 +0430 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:34:14 +0430 From: "Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Why do I get minus signs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hi I'm new in the neighborhood. The reason I am writing this is because I've got a problem with the results I've obtained. Our test is a sentence picture matching experiment in which the subjects should decide whether the sentence on the screen describes the preceding picture or not. S/he should answer by pressing either of the shift keys. In one version, left shift stands for no, and in the other one, right shift means no. But after collecting the data I figured out that for all the trials in the latter version I've got no. ( I measure reaction time so all the reaction times I've got have a minus sign) This is the heading of our .rtf : < dbc 255255255> And this is one of the trials: - +1132 "*"/ "1kpb" / "jn" / * !"سه خط بر دو دايره مماس هستند" ; The sentence is in persian. " jn" stands for the picture file with a yes written in the left side of the screen and a no in the right side. But all the reaction times I obtained have minus signs. It should mean that everybody always said no. But it doesnt. I checked it by running the program and pressing just left shift. And again all the values were negative. like these: 1620301 -642.79 1620191 -1257.13 1131 -2409.57 2131 -1679.34 2122 -2423.30 5131 -1953.69 2124 -1777.01 6122 -2212.90 The first number in each row is the item number. I'm positive that something ought to be wrong with the design but I dont know what. I would be grateful if anybody could help me solve this problem. thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan School of Cognitive Sciences Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) Niavaran Po.Box:19395-5746,Tehran,Iran From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 12 12:10:25 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7CJ9D5L006271 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:09:14 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so546754rna for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.47 with SMTP id e47mr1118669rng; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.1.78 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:09:13 -0400 From: Yuval Marton To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050811091340.00ba47f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050811091340.00ba47f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, I hope you didn't lose sleep over the thought that I was assembling the RTF file by hand. I didn't. I used wordpad, as was recommended in the tutorial. I highlighted each letter and then chose a color. Then I tried to tweak the file in some variations (see below) to get what i wanted. But alas, to no avail.. I am sure I am just missing a small technical issue, and I hope you can show me how to do it right, with a small similar file (or corrections over my own). Here's my RTF file contents: {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Arial;}} {\colortbl ;\red128\green128\blue128;\red192\green192\blue192;\red0\green0\blue0;} {\*\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;} \viewkind4\uc1\pard\cf1\b\f0\fs24 \par 0 "Press SPACEBAR to start"; 0 "A{\cf2 B}{\cf3 C}{\cf1 D}"\par; 0 "A\cf2 B\cf3 C\cf1 D"\par; 0 "ABO D" \par; 0 "A{B}{C} {D}" \par; 0 "--The End--"; \cf0\b0 \fs20\par } The result is either uni-color (the default), or showing the tags as text. :-( Not sure what you meant by the example has to be HTML. But I'll take any example if it works! Thanks again, -Yuval. PS: Anna, thanks for your reply as well! I hope I can do with a simple text instruction, but if not, your idea is next in line... :-) On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >Jonathan, > >Thanks for your fast reply. > >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but > >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the "" as part > >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a > >backslash gives an error: unknown (\") ; applying it without quotation > >marks altogether, I get the error "unknown keyword ". I guess > >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. > >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? > > You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, highlight a > letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would assemble an > .RTF by hand. > > >(If possible, as an > >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in > >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) > > Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is > one of them. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 12 13:27:12 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7CKQf5L006543 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:26:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3491FB00D38 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:26:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4EBAF651F for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:26:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050812130007.00ba4bb8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:26:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050811091340.00ba47f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050811091340.00ba47f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Have a look at the FEATURES.RTF in the demo, it has multicolor frames. http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/demos.zip Perhaps Wordpad has oddly formed coloring as your segment sure doesn't work for me. I'll have to look at it, use Word if you've got it in the interim. Note that HTML is not going to work, the B stuff was just a WYSIWYG demo. At 03:09 PM 8/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Jonathan, >I hope you didn't lose sleep over the thought that I was assembling >the RTF file by hand. I didn't. I used wordpad, as was recommended in >the tutorial. I highlighted each letter and then chose a color. Then I >tried to tweak the file in some variations (see below) to get what i >wanted. But alas, to no avail.. I am sure I am just missing a small >technical issue, and I hope you can show me how to do it right, with a >small similar file (or corrections over my own). Here's my RTF file >contents: > >{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 >Arial;}} >{\colortbl >;\red128\green128\blue128;\red192\green192\blue192;\red0\green0\blue0;} >{\*\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;} > 640,400,400,16,0> >\viewkind4\uc1\pard\cf1\b\f0\fs24 > >\par 0 "Press SPACEBAR to start"; > >0 "A{\cf2 B}{\cf3 C}{\cf1 D}"\par; > >0 "A\cf2 B\cf3 C\cf1 D"\par; > >0 "ABO >D" \par; > >0 "A{B}{color=#FFFFFF>C} >{D}" \par; > >0 "--The End--"; > >\cf0\b0 >\fs20\par >} > > >The result is either uni-color (the default), or showing the tags as text. >:-( > >Not sure what you meant by the example has to be HTML. But I'll take >any example if it works! > >Thanks again, >-Yuval. > >PS: Anna, thanks for your reply as well! I hope I can do with a simple >text instruction, but if not, your idea is next in line... :-) > > > > >On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: > > At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > >Jonathan, > > >Thanks for your fast reply. > > >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but > > >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the "" as part > > >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a > > >backslash gives an error: unknown (\") ; applying it without quotation > > >marks altogether, I get the error "unknown keyword ". I guess > > >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. > > >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? > > > > You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, highlight a > > letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would assemble an > > .RTF by hand. > > > > >(If possible, as an > > >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in > > >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) > > > > Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. > > > > /"\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > > > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is > > one of them. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #12. Nobody knows why "Squid" are called that. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 12 13:29:20 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7CKSu5L006568 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:28:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4990EAF7C11 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:28:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A613BAF651F for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:28:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050812132734.00bc10c8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:28:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why do I get minus signs? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You probably want to un-map the standard mapping before mapping your new ones with . Like this: < dbc 255255255> At 09:34 PM 8/12/2005 +0430, you wrote: > >hi >I'm new in the neighborhood. The reason I am writing this is because I've >got a problem with the results I've obtained. >Our test is a sentence picture matching experiment in which the subjects >should decide whether the sentence on the screen describes the preceding >picture or not. S/he should answer by pressing either of the shift keys. >In one version, left shift stands for no, and in the other one, right shift >means no. >But after collecting the data I figured out that for all the trials in the >latter version I've got no. ( I measure reaction time so all the reaction >times I've got have a minus sign) >This is the heading of our .rtf : > > 800,600,600,16,0> shift> < dbc 255255255> > > >And this is one of the trials: > >- >+1132 "*"/ "1kpb" / "jn" / * >!"سه خط بر دو >دايره مماس >هستند" ; > > > >The sentence is in persian. " jn" stands for the picture file with a yes >written in the left side of the screen and a no in the right side. >But all the reaction times I obtained have minus signs. It should mean that >everybody always said no. But it doesnt. I checked it by running the program >and pressing just left shift. And again all the values were negative. like >these: > >1620301 -642.79 >1620191 -1257.13 >1131 -2409.57 >2131 -1679.34 >2122 -2423.30 >5131 -1953.69 >2124 -1777.01 >6122 -2212.90 > > >The first number in each row is the item number. >I'm positive that something ought to be wrong with the design but I dont >know what. >I would be grateful if anybody could help me solve this problem. >thanks in advance > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan >School of Cognitive Sciences >Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) >Niavaran Po.Box:19395-5746,Tehran,Iran > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #12. Nobody knows why "Squid" are called that. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 12 17:06:27 2005 Received: from Spark.NIC.IR (sparc.nic.ir [194.225.70.81]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7CNm75L007389 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:48:10 -0700 Received: from ipm.ir (mail.iranet.ir [194.225.73.130]) by Spark.NIC.IR (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j7CNm2v18749 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:18:04 +0430 Received: from WorldClient by ipm.ir (MDaemon.PRO.v8.0.3.R) with ESMTP id md50000434093.msg for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:15:23 +0430 Received: from [82.99.197.102] via WorldClient with HTTP; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:15:22 +0430 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:15:22 +0430 From: "Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why do I get minus signs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050812132734.00bc10c8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050812132734.00bc10c8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list It worked. Thanks a lot. Amin -----Original Message----- From: "Jonathan C. Forster" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:28:51 -0700 Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why do I get minus signs? > > You probably want to un-map the standard mapping before mapping your > new > ones with . Like this: > > 800,600,600,16,0> > +right > shift> < dbc 255255255> > > > At 09:34 PM 8/12/2005 +0430, you wrote: > > > >hi > >I'm new in the neighborhood. The reason I am writing this is because > I've > >got a problem with the results I've obtained. > >Our test is a sentence picture matching experiment in which the > subjects > >should decide whether the sentence on the screen describes the > preceding > >picture or not. S/he should answer by pressing either of the shift > keys. > >In one version, left shift stands for no, and in the other one, right > shift > >means no. > >But after collecting the data I figured out that for all the trials in > the > >latter version I've got no. ( I measure reaction time so all the > reaction > >times I've got have a minus sign) > >This is the heading of our .rtf : > > > > >800,600,600,16,0> +right > >shift> < dbc 255255255> > > > > > >And this is one of the trials: > > > >- > >+1132 "*"/ "1kpb" / "jn" / * > >!"سه خط بر دو > >دايره مماس > >هستند" ; > > > > > > > >The sentence is in persian. " jn" stands for the picture file with a > yes > >written in the left side of the screen and a no in the right side. > >But all the reaction times I obtained have minus signs. It should mean > that > >everybody always said no. But it doesnt. I checked it by running the > program > >and pressing just left shift. And again all the values were negative. > like > >these: > > > >1620301 -642.79 > >1620191 -1257.13 > >1131 -2409.57 > >2131 -1679.34 > >2122 -2423.30 > >5131 -1953.69 > >2124 -1777.01 > >6122 -2212.90 > > > > > >The first number in each row is the item number. > >I'm positive that something ought to be wrong with the design but I > dont > >know what. > >I would be grateful if anybody could help me solve this problem. > >thanks in advance > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > >Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan > >School of Cognitive Sciences > >Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) > >Niavaran Po.Box:19395-5746,Tehran,Iran > > > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Interesting but useless facts #12. > Nobody knows why "Squid" are called that. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Aug 14 23:58:56 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7F6uF5L013940 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:56:15 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so787984rna for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.24.79 with SMTP id 79mr1864407rnx; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.1.78 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:56:14 -0400 From: Yuval Marton To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050812130007.00ba4bb8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050811091340.00ba47f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050812130007.00ba4bb8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, Anna, and all, Just in case I haven't written I solved the problem, here it is (again?): the problem seems to have been in the header line (see below). When I replaced it with a header line I took from another file, things started working. Now I can use WordPad, highlight, select color, font, etc., as you suggested, and actually see the same (WYSIWYG) at runtime.. Thanks for all the advice! -Yuval. On 8/12/05, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > Have a look at the FEATURES.RTF in the demo, it has multicolor frames. > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/demos.zip > > Perhaps Wordpad has oddly formed coloring as your segment sure doesn't work > for me. I'll have to look at it, use Word if you've got it in the interim. > > Note that HTML is not going to work, the B stuff > was just a WYSIWYG demo. > > At 03:09 PM 8/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >Jonathan, > >I hope you didn't lose sleep over the thought that I was assembling > >the RTF file by hand. I didn't. I used wordpad, as was recommended in > >the tutorial. I highlighted each letter and then chose a color. Then I > >tried to tweak the file in some variations (see below) to get what i > >wanted. But alas, to no avail.. I am sure I am just missing a small > >technical issue, and I hope you can show me how to do it right, with a > >small similar file (or corrections over my own). Here's my RTF file > >contents: > > > >{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 > >Arial;}} > >{\colortbl > >;\red128\green128\blue128;\red192\green192\blue192;\red0\green0\blue0;} > >{\*\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;} > > >640,400,400,16,0> > >\viewkind4\uc1\pard\cf1\b\f0\fs24 > > > >\par 0 "Press SPACEBAR to start"; > > > >0 "A{\cf2 B}{\cf3 C}{\cf1 D}"\par; > > > >0 "A\cf2 B\cf3 C\cf1 D"\par; > > > >0 "ABO > >D" \par; > > > >0 "A{B}{ >color=#FFFFFF>C} > >{D}" \par; > > > >0 "--The End--"; > > > >\cf0\b0 > >\fs20\par > >} > > > > > >The result is either uni-color (the default), or showing the tags as text. > >:-( > > > >Not sure what you meant by the example has to be HTML. But I'll take > >any example if it works! > > > >Thanks again, > >-Yuval. > > > >PS: Anna, thanks for your reply as well! I hope I can do with a simple > >text instruction, but if not, your idea is next in line... :-) > > > > > > > > > >On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: > > > At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Jonathan, > > > >Thanks for your fast reply. > > > >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but > > > >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the "" as part > > > >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a > > > >backslash gives an error: unknown (\") ; applying it without quotation > > > >marks altogether, I get the error "unknown keyword ". I guess > > > >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. > > > >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? > > > > > > You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, highlight a > > > letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would assemble an > > > .RTF by hand. > > > > > > >(If possible, as an > > > >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in > > > >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) > > > > > > Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. > > > > > > /"\ > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > > > X > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > > > > > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Interesting but useless facts #12. > Nobody knows why "Squid" are called that. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 00:27:35 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7F7BC5L013990 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 00:11:12 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so789084rna for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 00:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.59.29 with SMTP id h29mr1863486rna; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 00:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.1.78 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 00:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 03:11:12 -0400 From: Yuval Marton To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] X, Y, XY do not work with counters? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am trying to display a word at a random location on the screen. For that, I set c1 and c2 for a random value. e.g., < set c1 = 170 + 300 * random(2) > . I display the item with "item" - but it always displays it at 0,0. If I use instead hard wired numbers (e.g., ), it works. Am I doing something wrong? what would be the right way to do it, or the least painful workaround..? Thanks. -Yuval. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 03:13:19 2005 Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7FACP5L014230 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 03:12:26 -0700 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id C7B69680AB for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:12:17 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A0014EC4EF2; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:12:17 +0100 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6117680AB for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:12:17 +0100 (IST) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:11:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050812132734.00bc10c8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-Id: <20050815101217.B6117680AB@imx2.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear all, I've been trying to figure out for the last few hours how to display a picture for the last frame of trial for 3 seconds but also to end that frame (hide the picture) if the participant responds before the 3 seconds is up. I bet I've overlooked something really simple here! Here's an example of the code I've been working with: 0 "Please press SPACE to start"; =1 "CROSS" / * "ALAF263_f2m_btm" ; =2 "CROSS" / * "ALAF263_f2m_top" ; Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Andy. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 04:12:22 2005 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7FBC85L014330 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 04:12:08 -0700 Received: from DELL ([68.239.29.232]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IL9000D1GG7RZ0C@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 06:12:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:12:09 -0400 From: "Matthew Finkbeiner" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response In-reply-to: <20050815101217.B6117680AB@imx2.tcd.ie> To: Message-id: <000601c5a18a$2e189950$6501a8c0@DELL> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I think all you need to do is add another (blank) frame after the picture, like this: =1 "CROSS" / * "ALAF263_f2m_btm" / ; Also, if you want three seconds, you probably want in the header hope that helps Matthew From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 06:00:39 2005 Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7FCfM5L014491 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 05:41:22 -0700 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id 8190F68186 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:41:16 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A03B2C7EA6D; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:41:16 +0100 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C2368186 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:41:16 +0100 (IST) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:40:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000601c5a18a$2e189950$6501a8c0@DELL> Message-Id: <20050815124116.48C2368186@imx2.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Sorry, I don't think I made my problem that clear. I'm designing an experiment where the participant sees a picture and must make a response to it. The picture will either remain on the screen for 3 seconds, or will be removed from the screen if a response is made before those 3 seconds are up. There is no time limit however for the participant to respond to a given picture (hence ) once that picture is removed from view. Unfortunately adding a blank frame to the end of the item will ensure that the picture lasts for the entire duration to which it was set (in my case, the default frame duration). If the participant responds before this time is up, the picture will not immediately disappear as needed. I've played with the abort function, (note the 1000ms for displaying the "CROSS" bmp), and am now stuck for ideas! The only way I can think of around this problem is to create static video files of my pictures that last for 3 seconds and use this in conjunction with the abort function. Thanks, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Finkbeiner Sent: 15 August 2005 12:12 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response I think all you need to do is add another (blank) frame after the picture, like this: =1 "CROSS" / * "ALAF263_f2m_btm" / ; Also, if you want three seconds, you probably want in the header hope that helps Matthew ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 08:05:10 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7FF4K5L015051; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:04:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24222AED9F6; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:04:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCF5AFC1E8; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:04:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815075625.00ba47b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:04:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050812130007.00ba4bb8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050811091340.00ba47f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050812130007.00ba4bb8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Didn't think of the fact that DMDX might be deliberately doing what it was was doing but I see now that you've got a in there and that disables the WYSIWYG code. Seeing as the background is already white doesn't do a whole lot anyway. Gotta hunt through the docs to find it but if you look up it refers to and it in turn refers to where the behavior of ignoring the RTF color is mentioned: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdefaultbackgroundcolorkeyword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbackgroundcolorkeyword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhwritingcolorkeyword.htm At 02:56 AM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Jonathan, Anna, and all, >Just in case I haven't written I solved the problem, here it is (again?): >the problem seems to have been in the header line (see below). When I >replaced it with a header line I took from another file, things >started working. Now I can use WordPad, highlight, select color, font, >etc., as you suggested, and actually see the same (WYSIWYG) at >runtime.. >Thanks for all the advice! >-Yuval. > > >On 8/12/05, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > > > Have a look at the FEATURES.RTF in the demo, it has multicolor frames. > > > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/demos.zip > > > > Perhaps Wordpad has oddly formed coloring as your segment sure doesn't work > > for me. I'll have to look at it, use Word if you've got it in the interim. > > > > Note that HTML is not going to work, the B stuff > > was just a WYSIWYG demo. > > > > At 03:09 PM 8/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > >Jonathan, > > >I hope you didn't lose sleep over the thought that I was assembling > > >the RTF file by hand. I didn't. I used wordpad, as was recommended in > > >the tutorial. I highlighted each letter and then chose a color. Then I > > >tried to tweak the file in some variations (see below) to get what i > > >wanted. But alas, to no avail.. I am sure I am just missing a small > > >technical issue, and I hope you can show me how to do it right, with a > > >small similar file (or corrections over my own). Here's my RTF file > > >contents: > > > > > >{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 > > >Arial;}} > > >{\colortbl > > >;\red128\green128\blue128;\red192\green192\blue192;\red0\green0\blue0;} > > >{\*\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;} > > > > >640,400,400,16,0> > > >\viewkind4\uc1\pard\cf1\b\f0\fs24 > > > > > >\par 0 "Press SPACEBAR to start"; > > > > > >0 "A{\cf2 B}{\cf3 C}{\cf1 D}"\par; > > > > > >0 "A\cf2 B\cf3 C\cf1 D"\par; > > > > > >0 "AB color=#FFFFFF>O > > >D" \par; > > > > > >0 "A{B}{ > >color=#FFFFFF>C} > > >{D}" \par; > > > > > >0 "--The End--"; > > > > > >\cf0\b0 > > >\fs20\par > > >} > > > > > > > > >The result is either uni-color (the default), or showing the tags as text. > > >:-( > > > > > >Not sure what you meant by the example has to be HTML. But I'll take > > >any example if it works! > > > > > >Thanks again, > > >-Yuval. > > > > > >PS: Anna, thanks for your reply as well! I hope I can do with a simple > > >text instruction, but if not, your idea is next in line... :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: > > > > At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Jonathan, > > > > >Thanks for your fast reply. > > > > >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but > > > > >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the "" as part > > > > >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a > > > > >backslash gives an error: unknown (\") ; applying it without quotation > > > > >marks altogether, I get the error "unknown keyword ". I guess > > > > >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. > > > > >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? > > > > > > > > You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, > highlight a > > > > letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would > assemble an > > > > .RTF by hand. > > > > > > > > >(If possible, as an > > > > >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in > > > > >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) > > > > > > > > Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. > > > > > > > > /"\ > > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > > > > X > > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > > > > > > > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > > > > >==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > >==================================================================== > > > > > > /"\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > > > Interesting but useless facts #12. > > Nobody knows why "Squid" are called that. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 08:06:30 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7FF6N5L015085 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:06:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B838B0568B for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:06:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF2EAE759F for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:06:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815080445.00bc0510@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:06:18 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: X, Y, XY do not work with counters? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:11 AM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I am trying to display a word at a random location on the screen. >For that, I set c1 and c2 for a random value. e.g., < set c1 = 170 + >300 * random(2) > . >I display the item with "item" - but it always displays it at >0,0. >If I use instead hard wired numbers (e.g., ), it works. > >Am I doing something wrong? what would be the right way to do it, or >the least painful workaround..? doesn't take counters for parameters. Don't think there's a way to use a counter to position something. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 08:07:54 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7FF7m5L015107 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:07:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1260AE759F for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:07:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D75B006A2 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:07:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815080724.00ba47b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:07:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response In-Reply-To: <20050815124116.48C2368186@imx2.tcd.ie> References: <000601c5a18a$2e189950$6501a8c0@DELL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Why doesn't solve your problem? At 01:40 PM 8/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Sorry, I don't think I made my problem that clear. > >I'm designing an experiment where the participant sees a picture and must >make a response to it. The picture will either remain on the screen for 3 >seconds, or will be removed from the screen if a response is made before >those 3 seconds are up. There is no time limit however for the participant >to respond to a given picture (hence ) once that picture is removed >from view. > >Unfortunately adding a blank frame to the end of the item will ensure that >the picture lasts for the entire duration to which it was set (in my case, >the default frame duration). If the participant responds before this time is >up, the picture will not immediately disappear as needed. > >I've played with the abort function, (note the 1000ms for >displaying the "CROSS" bmp), and am now stuck for ideas! The only way >I can think of around this problem is to create static video files of my >pictures that last for 3 seconds and use this in conjunction with the abort >function. > >Thanks, Andy. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Finkbeiner >Sent: 15 August 2005 12:12 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response > >I think all you need to do is add another (blank) frame after the picture, >like this: > >=1 "CROSS" / * "ALAF263_f2m_btm" / ; > >Also, if you want three seconds, you probably want in the header > >hope that helps > >Matthew > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 08:53:50 2005 Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7FFrg5L015343 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:53:43 -0700 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id 4350B680E6 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:53:37 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A00885379AF; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:53:37 +0100 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3AD680E6 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:53:37 +0100 (IST) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: RE: RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:52:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815080724.00ba47b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-Id: <20050815155337.0D3AD680E6@imx2.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, There's a good chance I'm not using correctly. It seems to behave identically to for me. It could be this computer however. I've had problems with it running DMDX before. However, hopefully this is not the case and there's something simple I'm forgetting. The code below allows me to display pictures for 3 seconds, after which they disappear: 0 "Please press SPACE to start"; =1 "CROSS" / * "ALAF263_f2m_btm" /; =2 "CROSS" / * "ALAF263_f2m_top" /; The identical code, removing the "/" at the end of the item line gives me the other behaviour I require, that is, the picture disappears immediately when the participant responds. Unfortunately, I need to be able to do both! The picture disappears after 3 seconds or when the particpant responds within 3 seconds. I'm experimenting with at the moment to span items but hopefully there is a much simpler way to achieve this. Thanks for your help, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: 15 August 2005 16:08 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response Why doesn't solve your problem? At 01:40 PM 8/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Sorry, I don't think I made my problem that clear. > >I'm designing an experiment where the participant sees a picture and >must make a response to it. The picture will either remain on the >screen for 3 seconds, or will be removed from the screen if a response >is made before those 3 seconds are up. There is no time limit however >for the participant to respond to a given picture (hence ) once >that picture is removed from view. > >Unfortunately adding a blank frame to the end of the item will ensure >that the picture lasts for the entire duration to which it was set (in >my case, the default frame duration). If the participant responds >before this time is up, the picture will not immediately disappear as needed. > >I've played with the abort function, (note the 1000ms for >displaying the "CROSS" bmp), and am now stuck for ideas! The >only way I can think of around this problem is to create static video >files of my pictures that last for 3 seconds and use this in >conjunction with the abort function. > >Thanks, Andy. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew >Finkbeiner >Sent: 15 August 2005 12:12 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response > >I think all you need to do is add another (blank) frame after the >picture, like this: > >=1 "CROSS" / * "ALAF263_f2m_btm" / >; > >Also, if you want three seconds, you probably want in the >header > >hope that helps > >Matthew > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 11:06:04 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7FI4f5L016019 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:04:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6899FAFE8AC for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:04:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6680CB0538E for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:04:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815110402.00ba4c00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:04:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815075625.00ba47b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050812130007.00ba4bb8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050810213229.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050811091340.00ba47f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050812130007.00ba4bb8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Not to mention the which specifically makes everything black... At 08:04 AM 8/15/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Didn't think of the fact that DMDX might be deliberately doing what it was >was doing but I see now that you've got a in there and >that disables the WYSIWYG code. Seeing as the background is already white > doesn't do a whole lot anyway. > >Gotta hunt through the docs to find it but if you look up it refers >to and it in turn refers to where the behavior of ignoring the >RTF color is mentioned: > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdefaultbackgroundcolorkeyword.htm > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbackgroundcolorkeyword.htm > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhwritingcolorkeyword.htm > > > >At 02:56 AM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>Jonathan, Anna, and all, >>Just in case I haven't written I solved the problem, here it is (again?): >>the problem seems to have been in the header line (see below). When I >>replaced it with a header line I took from another file, things >>started working. Now I can use WordPad, highlight, select color, font, >>etc., as you suggested, and actually see the same (WYSIWYG) at >>runtime.. >>Thanks for all the advice! >>-Yuval. >> >> >>On 8/12/05, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: >> > >> > Have a look at the FEATURES.RTF in the demo, it has multicolor frames. >> > >> > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/demos.zip >> > >> > Perhaps Wordpad has oddly formed coloring as your segment sure doesn't >> work >> > for me. I'll have to look at it, use Word if you've got it in the >> interim. >> > >> > Note that HTML is not going to work, the B >> stuff >> > was just a WYSIWYG demo. >> > >> > At 03:09 PM 8/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: >> > >Jonathan, >> > >I hope you didn't lose sleep over the thought that I was assembling >> > >the RTF file by hand. I didn't. I used wordpad, as was recommended in >> > >the tutorial. I highlighted each letter and then chose a color. Then I >> > >tried to tweak the file in some variations (see below) to get what i >> > >wanted. But alas, to no avail.. I am sure I am just missing a small >> > >technical issue, and I hope you can show me how to do it right, with a >> > >small similar file (or corrections over my own). Here's my RTF file >> > >contents: >> > > >> > >{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 >> > >Arial;}} >> > >{\colortbl >> > >;\red128\green128\blue128;\red192\green192\blue192;\red0\green0\blue0;} >> > >{\*\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;} >> > > > > >640,400,400,16,0> >> > >\viewkind4\uc1\pard\cf1\b\f0\fs24 >> > > >> > >\par 0 "Press SPACEBAR to start"; >> > > >> > >0 "A{\cf2 B}{\cf3 C}{\cf1 D}"\par; >> > > >> > >0 "A\cf2 B\cf3 C\cf1 D"\par; >> > > >> > >0 "AB> color=#FFFFFF>O >> > >D" \par; >> > > >> > >0 "A{B}{> > >color=#FFFFFF>C} >> > >{D}" \par; >> > > >> > >0 "--The End--"; >> > > >> > >\cf0\b0 >> > >\fs20\par >> > >} >> > > >> > > >> > >The result is either uni-color (the default), or showing the tags as >> text. >> > >:-( >> > > >> > >Not sure what you meant by the example has to be HTML. But I'll take >> > >any example if it works! >> > > >> > >Thanks again, >> > >-Yuval. >> > > >> > >PS: Anna, thanks for your reply as well! I hope I can do with a simple >> > >text instruction, but if not, your idea is next in line... :-) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: >> > > > At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: >> > > > >Jonathan, >> > > > >Thanks for your fast reply. >> > > > >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but >> > > > >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the "" as >> part >> > > > >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a >> > > > >backslash gives an error: unknown (\") ; applying it without >> quotation >> > > > >marks altogether, I get the error "unknown keyword ". I guess >> > > > >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. >> > > > >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? >> > > > >> > > > You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, >> highlight a >> > > > letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would >> assemble an >> > > > .RTF by hand. >> > > > >> > > > >(If possible, as an >> > > > >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in >> > > > >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) >> > > > >> > > > Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. >> > > > >> > > > /"\ >> > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / >> > > > X >> > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ >> > > > >> > > > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is >> > > > one of them. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ==================================================================== >> > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> > > > ==================================================================== >> > > > >> > > >> > >==================================================================== >> > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> > >==================================================================== >> > >> > >> > /"\ >> > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / >> > X >> > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ >> > >> > Interesting but useless facts #12. >> > Nobody knows why "Squid" are called that. >> > >> > >> > ==================================================================== >> > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> > ==================================================================== >> > >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > >There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get >any worse. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #12. Nobody knows why "Squid" are called that. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 11:10:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7FI9o5L016063 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:09:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C473B054BB for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:09:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075C4B0574B for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:09:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815110612.00ba4c00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:09:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response In-Reply-To: <20050815155337.0D3AD680E6@imx2.tcd.ie> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815080724.00ba47b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:52 PM 8/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Unfortunately, I need to be able to do both! The picture disappears after 3 >seconds or when the particpant responds within 3 seconds. I'm experimenting >with at the moment to span items but hopefully there >is a much simpler way to achieve this. Not only is the no easier way I'd be prepared to say there isn't any way it can happen. Decisions made that affect the display as a subject is responding simply stretch some of DMDX's design decisions that were made in the seventies too far. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Interesting but useless facts #12. Nobody knows why "Squid" are called that. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 11:30:29 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7FIUL5L016219 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:30:21 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so870139rna for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.24 with SMTP id y24mr1561795rnd; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.1.78 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:30:20 -0400 From: Yuval Marton To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: X, Y, XY do not work with counters? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815080445.00bc0510@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815080445.00bc0510@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list in that case, can i set the "cursor" position in one item, and make DMDX remember it in the next? ( i assume i cannot call a subroutine and expect it to return to the next frame of the calling item, as opposed to the first frame of the item that comes after the calling item). maybe you can refer me to a "lateralized" experiment script, in which the items are randomly displayed to the left or right of fixation? thanks. On 8/15/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 03:11 AM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >I am trying to display a word at a random location on the screen. > >For that, I set c1 and c2 for a random value. e.g., < set c1 = 170 + > >300 * random(2) > . > >I display the item with "item" - but it always displays it at > >0,0. > >If I use instead hard wired numbers (e.g., ), it works. > > > >Am I doing something wrong? what would be the right way to do it, or > >the least painful workaround..? > > doesn't take counters for parameters. Don't think there's a way to > use a counter to position something. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get > any worse. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 15 18:04:03 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7G12u5L018033 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:02:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28158B05740 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:02:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510F1B04A46 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:02:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815175739.00ba4728@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:02:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: X, Y, XY do not work with counters? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050815080445.00bc0510@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050815080445.00bc0510@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:30 PM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote: >in that case, can i set the "cursor" position in one item, and make >DMDX remember it in the next? You could have to use a counter and code it's value for various screen locations. You can then branch on that counter to one of many items that display the various possible screens. > ( i assume i cannot call a subroutine >and expect it to return to the next frame of the calling item, as >opposed to the first frame of the item that comes after the calling >item). Correct, calls happen in between items. >maybe you can refer me to a "lateralized" experiment script, in which >the items are randomly displayed to the left or right of fixation? Build your item file with 50% of the items on the left and 50% on the right and let DMDX scramble the item file for you. You assemble all possible displays explicitly and then let DMDX randomize their presentation order with scramble parameters or come up with some sort of branching scheme that selects the displays you want when. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 17 18:29:05 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7I1Qx5L025973 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:26:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377D1AFC308 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:26:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CF7B061B9 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:26:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050817182524.00bbae20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:26:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] On Vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm on vacation till at least Thursday 8/25/05 and won't be checking DMDX email at all so if someone has a burning problem don't be waiting for me to answer it ;) /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 18 22:23:11 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay21-f7.bay21.hotmail.com [65.54.233.96]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7J5Kx5L031635 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:21:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:20:54 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 80.15.249.149 by by21fd.bay21.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 05:20:53 GMT From: =?gb2312?B?y+8gtcPB1Q==?= To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] question about branching Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:20:53 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am a new user of DMDX in china(so my system language is simplified chinese),and I have a question about the branching keyword. I want to display some bitmap pictures in circulation.But it dosn't work as my wish. My script is following: 0 ; 1 "1"; 2 "2"; 3 "2", "1"; 4 ; 0 "the end"; But there is no circulation! the diagnostics is following: DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 08/19/2005 12:29:49 on machine PSYLAB-DPS2NPES DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 Item File Parsed file is Getting file -- Wait No scramble Scrambled file is Available DI device <Êó±ê> (? Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? Input Device selection failed Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? EXPERIMENT READY 15 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp 0 ; Preparation A 0.07ms, B 0.05ms 1 "1"; Preparation A 0.72ms, B 0.16ms 2 "2"; Preparation A 1.18ms, B 0.78ms 3 "2", "1"; Preparation A 0.68ms, B 1.04ms 4 ; 0 "end"; JOB ABORTED I can't use the branching keywords as what is instructed in the DMDX help files.On the other hand, I found that the circulation can be made by adding a symbol '!' before the end line, the modified script is following: 0 ; 1 ¡±1¡±; 2 ¡±2¡±; 3 ¡±2¡±, ¡±1¡±; 4 ; !0 ¡°end¡±; Although it runs, there is still somthing wrong -- DMDX warnded me "read error". The diagnostics is following: DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 08/19/2005 12:39:18 on machine PSYLAB-DPS2NPES DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 Item File Parsed file is Getting file -- Wait No scramble Scrambled file is Available DI device <Êó±ê> (? Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? Input Device selection failed Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? EXPERIMENT READY 15 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp 0 ; Preparation A 0.06ms, B 0.05ms 1 "1"; Preparation A 0.70ms, B 0.16ms 2 "2"; Preparation A 1.17ms, B 0.76ms 3 "2", "1"; Preparation A 0.74ms, B 1.00ms 4 ; 1 "1"; Preparation A 0.83ms, B 0.16ms 2 "2"; Preparation A 2.41ms, B 0.78ms 3 "2", "1"; Preparation A 0.76ms, B 1.02ms 4 ; Preparation A 0.13ms, B 0.67ms Preparation A 0.00ms, B 0.00ms READ ERROR JOB ABORTED What's the matter? And what I should do to make the pictures displaying circularly ? I beg your advice. Thanks a lot, best wishes. Your sincerely Sun De Lin sundelinustc@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Ãâ·ÑÏÂÔØ MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 18 22:23:12 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay21-f15.bay21.hotmail.com [65.54.233.104]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7J5LC5L031643 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:21:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:21:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 80.15.249.164 by by21fd.bay21.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 05:21:06 GMT From: =?gb2312?B?y+8gtcPB1Q==?= To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] question about branching Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:21:06 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am a new user of DMDX in china(so my system language is simplified chinese),and I have a question about the branching keyword. I want to display some bitmap pictures in circulation.But it dosn't work as my wish. My script is following: 0 ; 1 "1"; 2 "2"; 3 "2", "1"; 4 ; 0 "the end"; But there is no circulation! the diagnostics is following: DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 08/19/2005 12:29:49 on machine PSYLAB-DPS2NPES DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 Item File Parsed file is Getting file -- Wait No scramble Scrambled file is Available DI device <Êó±ê> (? Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? Input Device selection failed Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? EXPERIMENT READY 15 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp 0 ; Preparation A 0.07ms, B 0.05ms 1 "1"; Preparation A 0.72ms, B 0.16ms 2 "2"; Preparation A 1.18ms, B 0.78ms 3 "2", "1"; Preparation A 0.68ms, B 1.04ms 4 ; 0 "end"; JOB ABORTED I can't use the branching keywords as what is instructed in the DMDX help files.On the other hand, I found that the circulation can be made by adding a symbol '!' before the end line, the modified script is following: 0 ; 1 ¡±1¡±; 2 ¡±2¡±; 3 ¡±2¡±, ¡±1¡±; 4 ; !0 ¡°end¡±; Although it runs, there is still somthing wrong -- DMDX warnded me "read error". The diagnostics is following: DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 08/19/2005 12:39:18 on machine PSYLAB-DPS2NPES DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 Item File Parsed file is Getting file -- Wait No scramble Scrambled file is Available DI device <Êó±ê> (? Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? Input Device selection failed Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? EXPERIMENT READY 15 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp 0 ; Preparation A 0.06ms, B 0.05ms 1 "1"; Preparation A 0.70ms, B 0.16ms 2 "2"; Preparation A 1.17ms, B 0.76ms 3 "2", "1"; Preparation A 0.74ms, B 1.00ms 4 ; 1 "1"; Preparation A 0.83ms, B 0.16ms 2 "2"; Preparation A 2.41ms, B 0.78ms 3 "2", "1"; Preparation A 0.76ms, B 1.02ms 4 ; Preparation A 0.13ms, B 0.67ms Preparation A 0.00ms, B 0.00ms READ ERROR JOB ABORTED What's the matter? And what I should do to make the pictures displaying circularly ? I beg your advice. Thanks a lot, best wishes. Your sincerely Sun De Lin sundelinustc@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Ãâ·ÑÏÂÔØ MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 22 06:20:03 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7MDIJ5L017542 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:18:20 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so1477896nzp for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.108.9 with SMTP id g9mr1003923nzc; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.18.30 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a050822061863134a9f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:18:14 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] problem playing movies Cc: "Jack B. Nitschke" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am having a problem playing movies (avi files) in DMDX. We are using the most recent version of DMDX on a Win98 machine (its a shared fMRI lab and the person responsible for computers is not willing to upgrade OS). The avi files slow noticeably for the last handful of frames. On occasion, there is even noticeable slowing in the middle of the (3 second) movie. The movies do play normally (without slowing) using windows media player. The movies also play normally with DMDX on a few other machines running XP. Thoughts on where the problem lies with this Win98 machine? Thanks for any help? John -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 22 13:27:24 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7MKPx5L019302 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:25:59 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so1642397nzp for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.39.2 with SMTP id m2mr2759660nzm; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.18.30 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a05082213255c42b9d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:25:51 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] problem playing movies (more info) In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a050822061863134a9f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <9ae8f64a050822061863134a9f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list As a follow-up to this question about playing movies, here are the specs on the video card: Magnum/Xpert128/X99/Xpert2000 ASIC Type RAGE 128 ASIC ID 5246 Memory Size 32.0M Memory Type SDR SGRAM 1:1 / SDRAM Thanks for any info best, J ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Curtin Date: Aug 22, 2005 8:18 AM Subject: [DMDX] problem playing movies To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Cc: "Jack B. Nitschke" I am having a problem playing movies (avi files) in DMDX. We are using the most recent version of DMDX on a Win98 machine (its a shared fMRI lab and the person responsible for computers is not willing to upgrade OS). The avi files slow noticeably for the last handful of frames. On occasion, there is even noticeable slowing in the middle of the (3 second) movie. The movies do play normally (without slowing) using windows media player. The movies also play normally with DMDX on a few other machines running XP. Thoughts on where the problem lies with this Win98 machine? Thanks for any help? John -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 23 09:56:52 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7NGtT5L024063 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:55:30 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so1971726nzp for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.96.6 with SMTP id t6mr1124321nzb; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.18.30 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a0508230955674c12d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:55:23 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] more movie details Cc: "Jack B. Nitschke" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Further details on our movie problem. File plays fine in Digital video test with TimeDX (including check boxes to track retrace and to initialize DirectSound). File is 720X 480, 24 bit, 90 frames at 29.970ms/frame and using the Cinepac codec. DMDX script is using 800 X 600, 16 bit. at 60hz. Processor is a PIII with 896MB of RAM. Tried updating DirectX to v9.0. Didnt fix problem Tried updating/changing Cinepac codec. Didnt fix problem. Tried pre-loading video (with medialife). Didnt fix problem. Thanks J -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 24 10:20:31 2005 Received: from torrent.cc.mcgill.ca (torrent.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.27.49]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7OHIA5L029467 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:18:11 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.CC.McGill.CA (mailscan5.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.252]) by torrent.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j7OHI7CW008663 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:18:08 -0400 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca (vpn93240.VPN.McGill.CA [132.216.93.240]) by mailscan5.CC.McGill.CA (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7OHI09U002530 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:18:03 -0400 Message-ID: <430CABCC.2040407@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:18:04 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050428100728.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090302080002040404040505" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --------------090302080002040404040505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi! I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh rates. I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at 1024x 768 res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the moment, my screen is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought because of these specific possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called ATI and the support people there told me this card, with the proper monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need? Thanks for your help, Nathalie -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 Previous emailing below: Jonathan C. Forster a écrit: > At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime >> durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was >> recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to >> avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need >> this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with >> the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to >> be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: >> >> (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am >> wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. > > > Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set > at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects > what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not > what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work > you'll probably have to get a new video card. > > >> I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this >> in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at >> dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me >> info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots >> of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). > > > My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't > capable of providing a display at 160Hz. > > >> (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests >> section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! >> Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be. > > > You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video > Drivers". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime > candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > --------------090302080002040404040505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi!

I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh rates. I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at 1024x 768 res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the moment, my screen is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought because of these specific possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called ATI and the support people there told me this card, with the proper monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need?

Thanks for your help,

Nathalie

--
Nathalie Bélanger

Nathalie Bélanger

Ph.D. Student
School of Communication Sciences and Disorders
McGill University
1266 Avenue des Pins ouest
Montréal, Québec
Canada H3G 1A8
Tel.: (514) 398-6895



Previous emailing below:


Jonathan C. Forster a écrit:
At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Hello!

I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations:

(1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz.

  Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz.  DMDX simply reflects what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll probably have to get a new video card.


I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500).

  My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't capable of providing a display at 160Hz.


(2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be.

  You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video Drivers".  If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime candidate for new video drivers from ati.com.


                                               /"\
 -jonathan (j.c.f.)                            \ /
                                                X
 


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--------------090302080002040404040505-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 24 11:03:33 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7OI3N5L029696 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:03:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E825FB04982 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:03:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from KIFXP (stone00.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.56]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3CAB04A76 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:03:17 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth Forster" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:03:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c5a8d6$1b74bbf0$3862c480@KIFXP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5A89B.6F15E3F0" In-Reply-To: <430CABCC.2040407@mail.mcgill.ca> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5A89B.6F15E3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nathalie, =20 Something is seriously wrong, obviously. Jonathan is away = at the moment, and you probably won=92t get a comment from him until = Friday. However, on our system with very ordinary monitors, I can get 100 hz -- = but not at your screen resolution. We just select a lower resolution (the = video card is an NVIDIA RIVA TNT2). =20 --k.i.f. =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Nathalie = B=E9langer Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:18 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz =20 Hi!=20 I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh rates. = I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at 1024x 768 = res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the moment, my screen is = set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of 160 Hz. This is a new = monitor bought because of these specific possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest = drivers installed. I called ATI and the support people there told me this card, = with the proper monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh = rate. Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in = TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have DMDX run at = the high refresh rate that I need? Thanks for your help,=20 Nathalie --=20 Nathalie B=E9langer=20 Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders=20 McGill University=20 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest=20 Montr=E9al, Qu=E9bec=20 Canada H3G 1A8=20 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 Previous emailing below: Jonathan C. Forster a =E9crit: At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:=20 Hello!=20 I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations = are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I = set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. = I need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations:=20 (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am = wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz.=20 Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects what = the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you want = you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll probably have = to get a new video card.=20 I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in = the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing = with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500).=20 My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't = capable of providing a display at 160Hz.=20 (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests = section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I think = that is now quite what it should be.=20 You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video Drivers". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime = candidate for new video drivers from ati.com.=20 /"\=20 -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ /=20 X=20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word=20 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email=20 to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here:=20 http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5A89B.6F15E3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nathalie B=E9langer

Nathalie,

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Something is seriously wrong, obviously.=A0 Jonathan is away at the moment, and = you probably won’t get a comment from him until Friday. =A0However, on = our system with very ordinary monitors, I can get 100 hz -- but not at your = screen resolution. We just select a lower resolution (the video card is an = NVIDIA RIVA TNT2).

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = --k.i.f.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu = [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Nathalie = B=E9langer
Sent: Wednesday, August = 24, 2005 10:18 AM
To: = DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 = x 768 resolution at 160 Hz

 

Hi!

I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh rates. = I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at 1024x 768 res., I = can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the moment, my screen is set on = 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought = because of these specific possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish = resolution. My Video card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called = ATI and the support people there told me this card, with the proper monitor, = which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. Still, with this = equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in TimeDX in the Select Video Mode = Menu. What do I need to do to have DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I = need?

Thanks for your help,

Nathalie

--

Nathalie B=E9langer

Ph.D. Student
School of Communication Sciences and Disorders
McGill University
1266 Avenue des Pins ouest
Montr=E9al, Qu=E9bec
Canada H3G 1A8
Tel.: (514) 398-6895



Previous emailing below:


Jonathan C. Forster a =E9crit:

At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:

Hello!

I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations = are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I = set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the = presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I need = both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: =

(1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am = wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. =


  Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't = set at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz.  DMDX simply reflects = what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you = want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll probably have = to get a new video card.



I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on = this in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at = dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in laymen = terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic = P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500).


  My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't capable of providing a display at 160Hz.



(2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic = tests section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, = I think that is now quite what it should be.


  You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop = Cheating Video Drivers".  If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a = prime candidate for new video drivers from ati.com.


            &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;          /"\
 -jonathan (j.c.f.)           = ;            =      \ /
            &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           X
 


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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5A89B.6F15E3F0-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 24 11:11:03 2005 Received: from drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca [132.206.27.48]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7OIAv5L029751 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:10:58 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cc.mcgill.ca (mailscan3.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.250]) by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j7OIAtDG005154 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:10:55 -0400 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca (vpn93240.VPN.McGill.CA [132.216.93.240]) by mailscan3.cc.mcgill.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j7OIAegG017962 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <430CB824.7050601@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:10:44 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz References: <001301c5a8d6$1b74bbf0$3862c480@KIFXP> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050009010106030000020208" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --------------050009010106030000020208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Kenneth, Thank you for your reply. Do you have anything to suggest in the meantime or should I wait for Jonathan's return from vacations? Nathalie Kenneth Forster a écrit: > Nathalie, > > > > Something is seriously wrong, obviously. Jonathan is away > at the moment, and you probably won't get a comment from him until > Friday. However, on our system with very ordinary monitors, I can get > 100 hz -- but not at your screen resolution. We just select a lower > resolution (the video card is an NVIDIA RIVA TNT2). > > > > --k.i.f. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Nathalie Bélanger > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:18 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz > > > > Hi! > > I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh > rates. I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at > 1024x 768 res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the > moment, my screen is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of > 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought because of these specific > possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video > card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called ATI > and the support people there told me this card, with the proper > monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. > Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in > TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have > DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need? > > Thanks for your help, > > Nathalie > > -- > > Nathalie Bélanger > > Ph.D. Student > School of Communication Sciences and Disorders > McGill University > 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest > Montréal, Québec > Canada H3G 1A8 > Tel.: (514) 398-6895 > > > > Previous emailing below: > > > Jonathan C. Forster a écrit: > > At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > Hello! > > I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime > durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was > recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid > much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need this > resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the > same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to be > compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: > > (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am > wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. > > > Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set > at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects > what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not > what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work > you'll probably have to get a new video card. > > > > I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this > in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at > dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me > info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of > my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). > > > My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't > capable of providing a display at 160Hz. > > > > (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests > section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! > Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be. > > > You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video > Drivers". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime > candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > > > > -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 --------------050009010106030000020208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Kenneth,

Thank you for your reply. Do you have anything to suggest in the meantime or should I wait for Jonathan's return from vacations?

Nathalie

Kenneth Forster a écrit:
Nathalie Bélanger

Nathalie,

 

            Something is seriously wrong, obviously.  Jonathan is away at the moment, and you probably won’t get a comment from him until Friday.  However, on our system with very ordinary monitors, I can get 100 hz -- but not at your screen resolution. We just select a lower resolution (the video card is an NVIDIA RIVA TNT2).

 

            --k.i.f.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Nathalie Bélanger
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:18 AM
To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz

 

Hi!

I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh rates. I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at 1024x 768 res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the moment, my screen is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought because of these specific possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called ATI and the support people there told me this card, with the proper monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need?

Thanks for your help,

Nathalie

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Nathalie Bélanger

Ph.D. Student
School of Communication Sciences and Disorders
McGill University
1266 Avenue des Pins ouest
Montréal, Québec
Canada H3G 1A8
Tel.: (514) 398-6895



Previous emailing below:


Jonathan C. Forster a écrit:

At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:

Hello!

I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations:

(1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz.


  Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz.  DMDX simply reflects what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll probably have to get a new video card.



I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500).


  My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't capable of providing a display at 160Hz.



(2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be.


  You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video Drivers".  If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime candidate for new video drivers from ati.com.


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--------------050009010106030000020208-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 24 17:58:25 2005 Received: from ALPHA9.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha9.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.9]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7P0vo5L031332 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:57:51 -0700 Received: from moe.its.monash.edu.au ([130.194.13.88]) by vaxh.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31112) with ESMTP id <01LS8R1OFKSA99T0GB@vaxh.its.monash.edu.au> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:57:26 +1000 Received: from moe.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253BDAB55D for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:57:26 +1000 (EST) Received: from monash.edu.au (balamb.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.11.237]) by moe.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2F950596 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:57:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from [130.194.162.217] by mail-store-1.its.monash.edu.au (mshttpd) ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:57:25 +1000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:57:25 +1000 From: Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla Subject: [DMDX] intermittent problems opening files To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I am not sure whether this is an issue with dmdx, or something else, but i am encountering frequent problems running item files, and the error message indicates that dmdx cannot open any of the .wavs or .bmps. The problem started occuring fairly suddenly. I can't see anything wrong with my .rtf script, and indeed sometimes, dmdx will run the item file without any difficulties at all - implying that it can find the files in the folder containing the dmdx program. But why doesn't it work all the time? I've reinstalled the newest version of dmdx, and the problem continues. Does anyone have any ideas? regards Ranmalee Here is a short example of one of my files: n110 s5 g2 $ 0“Auditory search task with scenes of 6 sounds - press spacebar to proceed”;$ 0 "Press spacebar when ready"; -2000 "ring" %60/*“6N000”;0 "Press spacebar when ready"; +1001 "trumpet" %60/*“6N001”;0 "Press spacebar when ready"; +1002 "ring" %60/*“6N002”;0 "Press spacebar when ready"; -2003 "trumpet" %60/*“6N003”;0 "Press spacebar when ready"; -2004 "birds" %60/*“6N004”;0 "Press spacebar when ready"; +1005 "piano" %60/*“6N005”;0 "Press spacebar when ready"; +1109 "birds" %60/*“6N109”; $0 “End of block, Thank you”;$ -- ------------------------------------------------- Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Australia Phone: +61 (03) 9905 3487 Mobile:+61 0403 705 104 ------------------------------------------------- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 25 20:59:18 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7Q3wo5L005467 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:58:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4BDB0BA26 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:58:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD3AB02970 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:58:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050825205811.00ba47c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:58:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem playing movies In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a050822061863134a9f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:18 AM 8/22/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I am having a problem playing movies (avi files) in DMDX. We are >using the most recent version of DMDX on a Win98 machine (its a shared >fMRI lab and the person responsible for computers is not willing to >upgrade OS). > >The avi files slow noticeably for the last handful of frames. On >occasion, there is even noticeable slowing in the middle of the (3 >second) movie. The movies do play normally (without slowing) using >windows media player. The movies also play normally with DMDX on a >few other machines running XP. Thoughts on where the problem lies >with this Win98 machine? I'd take a wild punt and say it's win98 that's the problem. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 25 20:59:18 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7Q3vo5L005459 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:57:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54D9B01A00 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:57:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011F8B0BA16 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:57:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050825205421.00bbce60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:57:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about branching In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list So turn the branch diagnostics on to see what's happening with and then look in the data file for added information. My bet is it's your use of brackets in the branch, brackets are badly busted in the code I grabbed to evaluate DMDX's expressions. At 01:20 PM 8/19/2005 +0800, you wrote: >I am a new user of DMDX in china(so my system language is simplified >chinese),and I have a question about the branching keyword. I want to >display some bitmap pictures in circulation.But it dosn't work as my wish. >My script is following: > >0 ; >1 "1"; >2 "2"; >3 "2", "1"; >4 ; >0 "the end"; > >But there is no circulation! the diagnostics is following: >DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 08/19/2005 12:29:49 on machine PSYLAB-DPS2NPES >DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 >Item File Parsed file is >Getting file -- Wait >No scramble >Scrambled file is >Available DI device <Êó±ê> (? >Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? >Input Device selection failed >Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? >EXPERIMENT READY >15 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp >0 ; >Preparation A 0.07ms, B 0.05ms >1 "1"; >Preparation A 0.72ms, B 0.16ms >2 "2"; >Preparation A 1.18ms, B 0.78ms >3 "2", "1"; >Preparation A 0.68ms, B 1.04ms >4 ; >0 "end"; >JOB ABORTED > >I can't use the branching keywords as what is instructed in the DMDX help >files.On the other hand, I found that the circulation can be made by >adding a symbol '!' before the end line, the modified script is following: > >0 ; >1 ¡±1¡±; >2 ¡±2¡±; >3 ¡±2¡±, ¡±1¡±; >4 ; >!0 ¡°end¡±; > >Although it runs, there is still somthing wrong -- DMDX warnded me "read >error". The diagnostics is following: >DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 08/19/2005 12:39:18 on machine PSYLAB-DPS2NPES >DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 >Item File Parsed file is >Getting file -- Wait >No scramble >Scrambled file is >Available DI device <Êó±ê> (? >Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? >Input Device selection failed >Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? >EXPERIMENT READY >15 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp >0 ; >Preparation A 0.06ms, B 0.05ms >1 "1"; >Preparation A 0.70ms, B 0.16ms >2 "2"; >Preparation A 1.17ms, B 0.76ms >3 "2", "1"; >Preparation A 0.74ms, B 1.00ms >4 ; >1 "1"; >Preparation A 0.83ms, B 0.16ms >2 "2"; >Preparation A 2.41ms, B 0.78ms >3 "2", "1"; >Preparation A 0.76ms, B 1.02ms >4 ; >Preparation A 0.13ms, B 0.67ms >Preparation A 0.00ms, B 0.00ms >READ ERROR >JOB ABORTED > >What's the matter? And what I should do to make the pictures displaying >circularly ? I beg your advice. >Thanks a lot, >best wishes. >Your sincerely >Sun De Lin >sundelinustc@hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Ãâ·ÑÏÂÔØ MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 25 20:59:52 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7Q3xn5L005498 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:59:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3914FB0B09C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:59:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0DEB0BA22 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:59:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050825205913.00ba47c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:59:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: more movie details In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a0508230955674c12d9@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I haven't done anything with '98 for years so I can't really suggest too much. At 11:55 AM 8/23/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Further details on our movie problem. > >File plays fine in Digital video test with TimeDX (including check >boxes to track retrace and to initialize DirectSound). > >File is 720X 480, 24 bit, 90 frames at 29.970ms/frame and using the >Cinepac codec. >DMDX script is using 800 X 600, 16 bit. at 60hz. >Processor is a PIII with 896MB of RAM. > >Tried updating DirectX to v9.0. Didnt fix problem >Tried updating/changing Cinepac codec. Didnt fix problem. >Tried pre-loading video (with medialife). Didnt fix problem. > >Thanks J > >-- >John J. Curtin, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor of Psychology >University of Wisconsin >1202 West Johnson St. >Madison, WI 53706 > >Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu >Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu >Office: 608-262-0387 >Lab: 608-262-5621 >Cell: 608-217-6221 >Fax: 608-262-4029 > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 25 21:02:29 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7Q42O5L005544 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:02:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCCBB0618C for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:02:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0247B0BA2F for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:02:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050825210036.00bbce60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:02:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz In-Reply-To: <430CABCC.2040407@mail.mcgill.ca> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050428100728.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list There are about a dozen places the refresh rate of a display can be limited. Does the machine recognize that it has your monitor or does it just say "Plug and Play Monitor"? At 01:18 PM 8/24/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi! > >I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh rates. I >have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at 1024x 768 >res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the moment, my screen >is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of 160 Hz. This is a new >monitor bought because of these specific possibilities - high refresh rate >at high-ish resolution. My Video card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest >drivers installed. I called ATI and the support people there told me this >card, with the proper monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz >refresh rate. Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of >85Hz in TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have >DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need? > >Thanks for your help, > >Nathalie > >-- > >Nathalie Bélanger > >Ph.D. Student >School of Communication Sciences and Disorders >McGill University >1266 Avenue des Pins ouest >Montréal, Québec >Canada H3G 1A8 >Tel.: (514) 398-6895 > > >Previous emailing below: > > >Jonathan C. Forster a écrit: >>At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>>Hello! >>> >>>I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations >>>are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that >>>I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the >>>presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be >>>running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. >>>I need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of >>>interrogations: >>> >>>(1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am >>>wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. >> >> Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set at >> 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects what >> the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you >> want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll >> probably have to get a new video card. >> >> >>>I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in >>>the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at >>>dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me >>>info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of >>>my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). >> >> My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't >> capable of providing a display at 160Hz. >> >> >>>(2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests >>>section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, >>>I think that is now quite what it should be. >> >> You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video >> Drivers". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime >> candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. >> >> >> /"\ >> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / >> X >> >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to >> DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >> with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> >>http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> >>==================================================================== >> > /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 25 21:03:59 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7Q43t5L005587 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:03:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726B2B06017 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:03:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBDAB0BA30 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:03:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050825210251.00ba47c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:03:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: intermittent problems opening files In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Check the machine for viruses and then check it for aware and then check it's hard disk surface for bad sectors. At 10:57 AM 8/25/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I am not sure whether this is an issue with dmdx, or something else, >but i am encountering frequent problems running item files, and the >error message indicates that dmdx cannot open any of the .wavs >or .bmps. The problem started occuring fairly suddenly. I can't see >anything wrong with my .rtf script, and indeed sometimes, dmdx will run >the item file without any difficulties at all - implying that it can >find the files in the folder containing the dmdx program. But why >doesn't it work all the time? I've reinstalled the newest version of >dmdx, and the problem continues. Does anyone have any ideas? > >regards >Ranmalee > >Here is a short example of one of my files: > >n110 s5 g2 > > >$ 0"Auditory search task with scenes of 6 sounds - press spacebar to >proceed";$ >0 "Press spacebar when ready"; > >-2000 "ring" %60/*"6N000";0 "Press spacebar when >ready"; > > >+1001 "trumpet" %60/*"6N001";0 "Press spacebar when >ready"; > > >+1002 "ring" %60/*"6N002";0 "Press spacebar when >ready"; > > >-2003 "trumpet" %60/*"6N003";0 "Press spacebar when >ready"; > > >-2004 "birds" %60/*"6N004";0 "Press spacebar when >ready"; > > >+1005 "piano" %60/*"6N005";0 "Press spacebar when >ready"; > >+1109 "birds" %60/*"6N109"; >$0 "End of block, Thank you";$ > >-- >------------------------------------------------- >Ranmalee Eramudugolla >Department of Psychology >Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences >Monash University >Clayton Campus >VIC 3800 >Australia > >Phone: +61 (03) 9905 3487 >Mobile:+61 0403 705 104 >------------------------------------------------- > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 26 01:02:07 2005 Received: from tweety.ccs.yorku.ca (tweety.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.216]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7Q81U5L006791 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:01:31 -0700 Received: from hei.notes.yorku.ca (hei.notes.yorku.ca [130.63.74.28]) by tweety.ccs.yorku.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-6) with ESMTP id j7Q81U7d029967 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:01:30 -0400 Subject: [DMDX] Judith Codd is out of the office. From: Judith Codd To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:01:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Boundary="0__=0ABBFAFADFBF925A8f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFAFADFBF925A" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0__=0ABBFAFADFBF925A8f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFAFADFBF925A Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I will be out of the office starting 25/08/2005 and will not return until 06/09/2005. I will respond to your message when I return. --0__=0ABBFAFADFBF925A8f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFAFADFBF925A Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline

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I will respond to your message when I return. --0__=0ABBFAFADFBF925A8f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFAFADFBF925A-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 26 06:57:20 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.199]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7QDn95L008260 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:49:10 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so384786nzp for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.18.4 with SMTP id v4mr242413nzi; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.18.30 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a050826064967548b6a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:49:04 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem playing movies Cc: "Jack B. Nitschke" , "Deborah L. Kerr" In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a050822061863134a9f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <9ae8f64a050822061863134a9f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, If I had any control over the resources, I would upgrade. However, other labs using this facility (an fMRI center) are using Presentation for stimulus control and that software makes a big deal about claiming to get better timing precision on Win98 than later versions of windows. We are willing to take a shotgun approach to trying to fix this problem on Win98. As I said in previous emails, we updated DirectX, checked and updated the codec, and tried pre-loading with medialife. We are considering blindly trying the following: 1. Changing movie formats to everything else that we can try (Mpeg, quicktime, and anything else we can track down codecs for) 2. Changing the color depth of the movie files from 24 bit (which they currently are) to 16 bit. 3. Updating the drivers for the video card. Is there anything else that comes to mind to you that we might try (we are willing to try low probability fixes too!) Best, John On 8/22/05, John Curtin wrote: > I am having a problem playing movies (avi files) in DMDX. We are > using the most recent version of DMDX on a Win98 machine (its a shared > fMRI lab and the person responsible for computers is not willing to > upgrade OS). > > The avi files slow noticeably for the last handful of frames. On > occasion, there is even noticeable slowing in the middle of the (3 > second) movie. The movies do play normally (without slowing) using > windows media player. The movies also play normally with DMDX on a > few other machines running XP. Thoughts on where the problem lies > with this Win98 machine? > > Thanks for any help? > John > > -- > John J. Curtin, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Psychology > University of Wisconsin > 1202 West Johnson St. > Madison, WI 53706 > > Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu > Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu > Office: 608-262-0387 > Lab: 608-262-5621 > Cell: 608-217-6221 > Fax: 608-262-4029 > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 26 07:52:02 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7QEpu5L008593 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:51:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8AEB0B38A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:51:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57031B0BE6C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:51:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050826075105.00ba47a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:51:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: intermittent problems opening files In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050825210251.00ba47c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Check it a_d_ware... At 09:03 PM 8/25/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Check the machine for viruses and then check it for aware and then check >it's hard disk surface for bad sectors. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 26 07:56:54 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7QEuE5L008642 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:56:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F633AFB011 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:56:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5F0B0666C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:56:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050826075235.00ba47a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:56:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem playing movies In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a050826064967548b6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ae8f64a050822061863134a9f@mail.gmail.com> <9ae8f64a050822061863134a9f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:49 AM 8/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: >1. Changing movie formats to everything else that we can try (Mpeg, >quicktime, and anything else we can track down codecs for) > >2. Changing the color depth of the movie files from 24 bit (which >they currently are) to 16 bit. > >3. Updating the drivers for the video card. > >Is there anything else that comes to mind to you that we might try (we >are willing to try low probability fixes too!) Those are all good things but I'd be trying a reformat too, win98 can build up crud and just tank on it's own without anything specific being wrong. I guess you could tamper with the retrace interval timing parameters, giving less sleep time or smaller number of lines to blit to give the video decoder more time to do it's thing. Perhaps a larger number of lines to blit would work too, who knows, it's a big black box. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 26 08:00:47 2005 Received: from gwiamta.usouthal.edu (gwiamta.usouthal.edu [207.157.122.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7QF075L008689 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:00:07 -0700 Received: from USACSCMAIL01-MTA by gwiamta.usouthal.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:00:01 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:59:42 -0500 From: "John Kline" To: , Cc: , Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem playing movies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list John, I haven't tried playing movies in DMDX, and don't know if this is relevant, but you may wish to make sure that the movie is straight MPEG or AVI, and does not require some sort of codec (e.g. like divx) in order to be played. John Kline John P. Kline, Ph.D. Department of Psychology 381 Life Sciences Building University of South Alabama Mobile, AL 36688-0002 Phone: (251) 460-7280 Fax: (251) 460-6320 Email: kline@usouthal.edu http://www.usouthal.edu/psychology/kline/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 26 20:32:40 2005 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu (broadway.montclair.edu [130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7R3Ff5L012794 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:15:42 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0ILV00CDT2E03B@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [130.68.2.13] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:15:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:15:36 -0700 From: Joanna Musial Subject: [DMDX] DMDX problem To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <7eff3e7ee7e9.7ee7e97eff3e@montclair.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, My name is Joanna Musial. I am Montclair State University undergraduate student. I use DMDX program in my research. I have a problem with running the experiment. The computer shows below message everytime I try to run a syntax check: Getting file - Wait No scramble Scrambled File is available DI device [Mouse] available DI device [Tastiera] Input device selection failed Tastiera in Italian means keyboard, that is why I thought it could depend on the Italian keyboard set up in my laptop. I set up the American keyboard, but it doesn't work either. This is the farthest the program goes. If I just click on RUN without trying to run any syntax check, the answer is the same. I'd appreciate any help. Sincerely, Joanna Musial From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Aug 27 05:47:14 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7RCkF5L016117 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:46:15 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8EEB0403C for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:46:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7466AB0D593 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:46:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050827054236.00ba4788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:46:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX problem In-Reply-To: <7eff3e7ee7e9.7ee7e97eff3e@montclair.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Put in the parameter line of the item file. Because DMDX doesn't recognize that device you'll also have to map the shift keys (or other keys if you don't like the shift keys) to the responses with , and . You'll have to use TimeDX's input test to see what someitaliankeyname should be. At 08:15 PM 8/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >My name is Joanna Musial. I am Montclair State University undergraduate >student. I use DMDX program in my research. >I have a problem with running the experiment. >The computer shows below message everytime I try to run a syntax check: > >Getting file - Wait >No scramble >Scrambled File is >available DI device [Mouse] >available DI device [Tastiera] >Input device selection failed > >Tastiera in Italian means keyboard, that is why I thought it could depend >on the Italian keyboard set up in my laptop. I set up the American >keyboard, but it doesn't work either. This is the farthest the program goes. > >If I just click on RUN without trying to run any syntax check, the answer >is the same. > >I'd appreciate any help. > >Sincerely, > >Joanna Musial > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Aug 27 09:50:52 2005 Received: from drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca [132.206.27.48]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7RGnq5L017590 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:49:52 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.CC.McGill.CA (mailscan5.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.252]) by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j7RGnplt025598 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:49:51 -0400 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca (vpn93243.VPN.McGill.CA [132.216.93.243]) by mailscan5.CC.McGill.CA (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7RGnPDh006319 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:49:32 -0400 Message-ID: <4310999C.4070001@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:49:32 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050428100728.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050825210036.00bbce60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000600090200080403060102" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --------------000600090200080403060102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi! Yes, it says jut that, ''Plug and Play Monitor''. Nathalie j.c.f. a écrit: > > There are about a dozen places the refresh rate of a display can be > limited. Does the machine recognize that it has your monitor or does > it just say "Plug and Play Monitor"? > > At 01:18 PM 8/24/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh >> rates. I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at >> 1024x 768 res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the >> moment, my screen is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of >> 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought because of these specific >> possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video >> card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called ATI >> and the support people there told me this card, with the proper >> monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. >> Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in >> TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have >> DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need? >> >> Thanks for your help, >> >> Nathalie >> >> -- >> >> Nathalie Bélanger >> >> Ph.D. Student >> School of Communication Sciences and Disorders >> McGill University >> 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest >> Montréal, Québec >> Canada H3G 1A8 >> Tel.: (514) 398-6895 >> >> >> Previous emailing below: >> >> >> Jonathan C. Forster a écrit: >> >>> At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>>> Hello! >>>> >>>> I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime >>>> durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was >>>> recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to >>>> avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also >>>> need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking >>>> study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both >>>> experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: >>>> >>>> (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am >>>> wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. >>> >>> >>> Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set >>> at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply >>> reflects what the operating system says the display can handle, if >>> it's not what you want you can try new video drivers and if that >>> doesn't work you'll probably have to get a new video card. >>> >>> >>>> I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on >>>> this in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very >>>> new at dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could >>>> provide me info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated >>>> the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card >>>> (Radeon 7500). >>> >>> >>> My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't >>> capable of providing a display at 160Hz. >>> >>> >>>> (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests >>>> section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! >>>> Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be. >>> >>> >>> You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating >>> Video Drivers". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a >>> prime candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. >>> >>> >>> /"\ >>> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / >>> X >>> >>> >>> >>> ==================================================================== >>> Send mail to >>> DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >>> with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >>> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >>> >>> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>> >>> ==================================================================== >>> >> > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get > any worse. > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 --------------000600090200080403060102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi!
Yes, it says jut that, ''Plug and Play Monitor''.

Nathalie



j.c.f. a écrit:


There are about a dozen places the refresh rate of a display can be limited.  Does the machine recognize that it has your monitor or does it just say "Plug and Play Monitor"?

At 01:18 PM 8/24/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Hi!

I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh rates. I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at 1024x 768 res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the moment, my screen is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought because of these specific possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called ATI and the support people there told me this card, with the proper monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need?

Thanks for your help,

Nathalie

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Nathalie Bélanger

Ph.D. Student
School of Communication Sciences and Disorders
McGill University
1266 Avenue des Pins ouest
Montréal, Québec
Canada H3G 1A8
Tel.: (514) 398-6895


Previous emailing below:


Jonathan C. Forster a écrit:
At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Hello!

I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations:

(1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz.

  Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz.  DMDX simply reflects what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll probably have to get a new video card.


I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500).

  My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't capable of providing a display at 160Hz.


(2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be.

  You can try checking the "Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video Drivers".  If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime candidate for new video drivers from ati.com.


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--------------000600090200080403060102-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Aug 27 12:19:30 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7RJJG5L018202 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:19:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB98B11737 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:19:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-8.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.8]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2150B0D7CC for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:19:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050827121312.00ba4650@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:19:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz In-Reply-To: <4310999C.4070001@mail.mcgill.ca> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050428100728.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050825210036.00bbce60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:49 PM 8/27/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi! >Yes, it says jut that, ''Plug and Play Monitor''. That's the first of your problems then, P&P monitors don't do much more than 85 Hz. You'll have to find the disk that came with the monitor and install some drivers for it, if it didn't come with a disk you'll have to find them on the internet or bug the manufacturer or salesperson for them. Once XP recognizes the monitor there's a good chance you'll get to use the faster refresh rates. If not try reinstalling the video drivers after getting XP to recognize the monitor (I saw some Intel video drivers need this here the other day). /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Aug 27 13:20:43 2005 Received: from drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (drizzle.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.27.48]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j7RJu45L018445 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:56:04 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cc.mcgill.ca (mailscan2.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.249]) by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j7RJu1em017384 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:56:01 -0400 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca (beatty51.med.mcgill.ca [132.216.108.51]) by mailscan2.cc.mcgill.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j7RJtfWk014697 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4310C544.2070407@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:55:48 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050428100728.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050825210036.00bbce60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050827121312.00ba4650@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070501030105030407040701" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --------------070501030105030407040701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It works!!!! Thanks! Nathalie j.c.f. a écrit: > At 12:49 PM 8/27/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >> Hi! >> Yes, it says jut that, ''Plug and Play Monitor''. > > > > That's the first of your problems then, P&P monitors don't do much > more than 85 Hz. You'll have to find the disk that came with the > monitor and install some drivers for it, if it didn't come with a disk > you'll have to find them on the internet or bug the manufacturer or > salesperson for them. Once XP recognizes the monitor there's a good > chance you'll get to use the faster refresh rates. If not try > reinstalling the video drivers after getting XP to recognize the > monitor (I saw some Intel video drivers need this here the other day). > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I > admire." > - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 --------------070501030105030407040701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It works!!!! Thanks!

Nathalie

j.c.f. a écrit:
At 12:49 PM 8/27/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Hi!
Yes, it says jut that, ''Plug and Play Monitor''.


  That's the first of your problems then, P&P monitors don't do much more than 85 Hz.  You'll have to find the disk that came with the monitor and install some drivers for it, if it didn't come with a disk you'll have to find them on the internet or bug the manufacturer or salesperson for them.  Once XP recognizes the monitor there's a good chance you'll get to use the faster refresh rates.  If not try reinstalling the video drivers after getting XP to recognize the monitor (I saw some Intel video drivers need this here the other day).

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--------------070501030105030407040701-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 8 20:47:50 2005 Received: from ross.city.unisa.edu.au (ross.city.unisa.edu.au [130.220.84.23]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j893kD5M004649 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:46:14 -0700 Received: from ross.city.unisa.edu.au ([130.220.84.23]) by ross.city.unisa.edu.au (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2005090913160708931 for ; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:16:07 +0930 Received: from ITUPROD-GT1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au (ituprod-gt1.levels.unisa.edu.au [130.220.79.35]) by ross.city.unisa.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j893k82j011454 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:16:08 +0930 (CST) Received: from ITUPROD-EXCL1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au ([130.220.64.10]) by ITUPROD-GT1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:16:08 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4F1.02DA5BFD" Subject: [DMDX] missing item number error Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:16:07 +0930 Message-ID: <125E143C87C9D744AD879C611475D035027B39C0@ITUPROD-EXCL1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au> From: "Mark Conroy" To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4F1.02DA5BFD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I have written a DMDX file which displays sentence anagrams. I am scrambling the items in the file within 4 blocks of 13. The blocks are fixed in position. In other words, I don't want to scramble the blocks. They will be in the same order on each trial. So I have a scrambling parameter in the parameter line and have backslahses (\) at appropriate points in the file. I also have $ at appropriate points such as to fix instructions and practice items. Everything seems fine. However an error message: 'missing item number' is produced at the same point in the file each time i run it in DMDX. When I run a syntax check I get the error message: 'RTF control word <\+> used not supported'. =20 I have another very similar file with counterbalanced test items which works fine. Therefore this file should also work easily. Yet it doesn't. I am completely stumped. I can only think of one possible explanation. Is it possible that Wordpad leaves some unwanted code in the background in the file which disrupts DMDX? When i looked at the file in Notepad I noticed quite a lot of extra code which means nothing to me. When I run the file I have 'ignore unknown RTF' enabled. Can anyone help me sort this one out? I have pasted in relevant bits of the file below. =20 $0 "Press SPACEBAR to start"; 0 "This is a study of sentence production involving sentence anagrams.", "When you are ready to see an anagram, press the SPACEBAR."; 0 "As soon as you have thought of a sentence press the RIGHT MOUSE BUTTON."; 0 "After you have pressed the mouse button say the sentence.", "Keep your finger on the right mouse button, ready to respond."; 0 "Take a break if you get tired.", "Here are some practice items."; 0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"; +51601"the", "school", "every", "catches", "day", "she", "bus", *!"to"; 0"NOW DO THE TEST ITEMS. PRESS THE SPACEBAR TO START."; +51401"new", "she", "car", "drove", *!"her"; 0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"; +51901"go", "shopping", "to", "decided", *!"she"; 0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$ \+11901"have", "bike", "his", "should", "old", "he", *!"oiled"; $0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$ +12001"have", "beer", "all", "might", "the", "he", *!"drunk"; =20 =20 =20 Mark Conroy ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4F1.02DA5BFD Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi,
 
I have = written a=20 DMDX file which displays sentence anagrams.  I am scrambling the = items in=20 the file within 4 blocks of 13.  The blocks are fixed in = position.  In=20 other words, I don't want to scramble the blocks.  They will be in = the same=20 order on each trial.  So I have a scrambling parameter <s 13> = in the=20 parameter line and have backslahses (\) at appropriate points in the = file. =20 I also have $ at appropriate points such as to fix instructions and = practice=20 items.  Everything seems fine.  However an error message: = 'missing=20 item number' is produced at the same point in the file each time i run = it in=20 DMDX. When I run a syntax check I get the error message: 'RTF control = word=20 <\+> used not supported'.
 
I have = another very=20 similar file with counterbalanced test items which works = fine. Therefore=20 this file should also work easily.  Yet it doesn't.  I am = completely=20 stumped.  I can only think of one possible explanation.  Is it = possible that Wordpad leaves some unwanted code in the background in the = file=20 which disrupts DMDX?  When i looked at the file in Notepad I = noticed quite=20 a lot of extra code which means nothing to me.  When I run the file = I have=20 'ignore unknown RTF' enabled. Can anyone help me sort this one = out?  I have=20 pasted in relevant bits of the file below.
 

<azk> <n 59> <s 13> <fd 25> <d 0> <t = 100000> <vm 1024, 768, 768, 16, 0> <id mouse> <id = keyboard>=20 <nfb> <dbc 255255255> <dwc 0>

$0 "Press SPACEBAR to start";

0 <ln –3> "This is a study of sentence production = involving sentence=20 anagrams.", <ln –1> "When you are ready to see an anagram, = press the=20 SPACEBAR.";

0 <ln –3> "As soon as you have thought of a sentence = press the RIGHT=20 MOUSE BUTTON.";

0 <ln –1> "After you have pressed the mouse button say = the sentence.",=20 <ln 1> "Keep your finger on the right mouse button, ready to=20 respond.";

0 <ln –3> "Take a break if you get tired.", <ln = 1>"Here are some=20 practice items.";

0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";

+51601<ln -3>"the",

<ln -2>"school",

<ln -1>"every",

<ln 0>"catches",

<ln 1>"day",

<ln 2>"she",

<ln 3>"bus",

<ln 4>*!"to"<c>;

0"NOW DO THE TEST ITEMS. PRESS THE SPACEBAR TO START.";

+51401<ln -2>"new",

<ln -1>"she",

<ln 0>"car",

<ln 1>"drove",

<ln 2>*!"her"<c>;

0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";

+51901<ln -2>"go",

<ln -1>"shopping",

<ln 0>"to",

<ln 1>"decided",

<ln 2>*!"she"<c>;

0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$

\+11901<ln -3>"have",

<ln -2>"bike",

<ln -1>"his",

<ln 0>"should",

<ln 1>"old",

<ln 2>"he",

<ln 3>*!"oiled"<c>;

$0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$

+12001<ln -3>"have",

<ln -2>"beer",

<ln -1>"all",

<ln 0>"might",

<ln 1>"the",

<ln 2>"he",

<ln 3>*!"drunk"<c>;

 
 
 

Mark=20 Conroy

------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4F1.02DA5BFD-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 8 21:16:07 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j894Fx5L004842 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:15:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9E8B0AECB for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:15:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA50BB03814 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:15:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050908210802.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:15:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: missing item number error In-Reply-To: <125E143C87C9D744AD879C611475D035027B39C0@ITUPROD-EXCL1.Uni Net.unisa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:16 PM 9/9/2005 +0930, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have written a DMDX file which displays sentence anagrams. I am >scrambling the items in the file within 4 blocks of 13. The blocks are >fixed in position. In other words, I don't want to scramble the >blocks. They will be in the same order on each trial. So I have a >scrambling parameter in the parameter line and have backslahses (\) >at appropriate points in the file. I also have $ at appropriate points >such as to fix instructions and practice items. Everything seems >fine. However an error message: 'missing item number' is produced at the >same point in the file each time i run it in DMDX. When I run a syntax >check I get the error message: 'RTF control word <\+> used not supported'. > >I have another very similar file with counterbalanced test items which >works fine. Therefore this file should also work easily. Yet it >doesn't. I am completely stumped. I can only think of one possible >explanation. Is it possible that Wordpad leaves some unwanted code in the >background in the file which disrupts DMDX? When i looked at the file in >Notepad I noticed quite a lot of extra code which means nothing to >me. When I run the file I have 'ignore unknown RTF' enabled. Can anyone >help me sort this one out? I have pasted in relevant bits of the file below. It's your backslash. I'm impressed at the way it's breaking the parser but for DMDX syntax it is a little malformed. You need to have a new line after your backslash: >0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$ > >\+11901"have", > >"bike", It needs to be like this: >0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$ > >\ > >+11901"have", > >"bike", /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 8 21:46:05 2005 Received: from ross.city.unisa.edu.au (ross.city.unisa.edu.au [130.220.84.23]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j894js5M005008 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:45:55 -0700 Received: from ross.city.unisa.edu.au ([130.220.84.23]) by ross.city.unisa.edu.au (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2005090914154910344 for ; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:15:49 +0930 Received: from ITUPROD-GT1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au (ituprod-gt1.levels.unisa.edu.au [130.220.79.35]) by ross.city.unisa.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j894jnOD022220 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:15:49 +0930 (CST) Received: from ITUPROD-EXCL1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au ([130.220.64.10]) by ITUPROD-GT1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:15:49 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: missing item number error Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:15:48 +0930 Message-ID: <125E143C87C9D744AD879C611475D035027B39C4@ITUPROD-EXCL1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au> From: "Mark Conroy" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathon, Thanks for your advice. Unfortunately doing as you suggest did not help. Therefore I am still stuck. Besides, the syntax I originally used with the backslash definitely works without problem in my other file. That is, the following causes no problem in my other file: 0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$ \+10201"have", "house", "their", "could", "whole", "they", *!"painted"; Have you got any other advice about what things may be causing a 'missing item number' or things like 'RTF control word <\+> used not supported' errors? I would appreciate any tips or clues. Mark -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Friday, 9 September 2005 1:46 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: missing item number error At 01:16 PM 9/9/2005 +0930, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have written a DMDX file which displays sentence anagrams. I am >scrambling the items in the file within 4 blocks of 13. The blocks are >fixed in position. In other words, I don't want to scramble the >blocks. They will be in the same order on each trial. So I have a >scrambling parameter in the parameter line and have backslahses (\) >at appropriate points in the file. I also have $ at appropriate points >such as to fix instructions and practice items. Everything seems >fine. However an error message: 'missing item number' is produced at the >same point in the file each time i run it in DMDX. When I run a syntax >check I get the error message: 'RTF control word <\+> used not supported'. > >I have another very similar file with counterbalanced test items which >works fine. Therefore this file should also work easily. Yet it >doesn't. I am completely stumped. I can only think of one possible >explanation. Is it possible that Wordpad leaves some unwanted code in the >background in the file which disrupts DMDX? When i looked at the file in >Notepad I noticed quite a lot of extra code which means nothing to >me. When I run the file I have 'ignore unknown RTF' enabled. Can anyone >help me sort this one out? I have pasted in relevant bits of the file below. It's your backslash. I'm impressed at the way it's breaking the parser but for DMDX syntax it is a little malformed. You need to have a new line after your backslash: >0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$ > >\+11901"have", > >"bike", It needs to be like this: >0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$ > >\ > >+11901"have", > >"bike", /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 9 08:58:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j89FvM5L007780 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:57:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E2CB267EB for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:57:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFB9B23915 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:57:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050909084235.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:57:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: missing item number error In-Reply-To: <125E143C87C9D744AD879C611475D035027B39C4@ITUPROD-EXCL1.Uni Net.unisa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:15 PM 9/9/2005 +0930, you wrote: >Hi Jonathon, > >Thanks for your advice. Unfortunately doing as you suggest did not >help. Therefore I am still stuck. Besides, the syntax I originally >used with the backslash definitely works without problem in my other >file. That is, the following causes no problem in my other file: > >0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$ >\+10201"have", It certainly should function, the only criteria I remember adding to scramble for a backslash was that it had to be at the start of line. General religious reasons make me follow it with white space however. >"house", >"their", >"could", >"whole", >"they", >*!"painted"; > >Have you got any other advice about what things may be causing a >'missing item number' or things like 'RTF control word <\+> used not >supported' errors? I would appreciate any tips or clues. Somehow or other DMDX isn't seeing the backslash as a backslash. Either it's some extended character that just happens to look like a backslash or the RTF is badly formed. RTF codes all begin with a backslash, you don't see them because Word or whatever it is that you are using interprets them like DMDX does and displays meaningful text. Open an item file in a text editor (Notepad if you don't have a better one) one day and you'll see what I mean. In fact it'd be interesting to see just what it is that your file has in it. What's happening is that somehow your backslash isn't being seen as the text of the item file but an RTF control word, hence it sees \+ which isn't an RTF control word. Backslashes if they're really backslashes are stripped out by Scramble so DMDX's item parser would never see them in normal operation so when you ignore unknown RTF DMDX's item parser sees it and is looking for a item CR indicator or an item number and it throws the syntax error. Very weird that the RTF parser would see it as a backslash but Scramble won't. Try deleting and retyping the offending section. Or you can pour the item file though WordPad and see if it can't strip the poorly formed section out. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 12 19:07:56 2005 Received: from smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (hagen.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.163]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8D26F5L000556 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:06:15 -0700 Received: from avs-daemon.smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) id <0IMQ00G0JGIA5N@smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:06:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dkerr (ppp-70-226-153-121.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net [70.226.153.121]) by smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IMQ00M06GI85O@smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:06:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:06:12 -0500 From: "Deborah L. Kerr" Subject: [DMDX] Saving data from script that does not run to the end To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <0IMQ00M07GI85O@smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_te1oCC1InUNuHJgNcY8vng)" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_te1oCC1InUNuHJgNcY8vng) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi there, If a script doesn't complete running, e.g it bombs out for some reason, is there any way to still get some kind of working data file from it? DMDX help yields no answers so it probably can't be done, but I thought I'd give it a shot here. Thanks, Deb Kerr -- Deborah L. Kerr Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin-Madison 1202 W. Johnson Street Rm 626 ~ W. M. Keck Laboratory Waisman Center University of Wisconsin-Madison 1500 Highland Avenue Rm S117D Madison, WI 53705 https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/dkerr/web/ Phone: 314-302-8386 (cell) Email: dkerr@wisc.edu --Boundary_(ID_te1oCC1InUNuHJgNcY8vng) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi there,

If a script doesn’t complete running, e.g it bombs out for some reason, is there any way to still get some kind of working data file from it? DMDX help yields no answers so it probably can’t be done, but I thought I’d give it a shot here.

 

Thanks,

Deb Kerr

 

--
Deborah L. Kerr
Department of Psychology
University of Wisconsin-Madison
1202 W. Johnson Street Rm 626
~
W. M. Keck Laboratory
Waisman Center
University of Wisconsin-Madison
1500 Highland Avenue Rm S117D
Madison, WI 53705

https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/dkerr/web/
 
Phone: 314-302-8386 (cell)
Email: dkerr@wisc.edu

 

--Boundary_(ID_te1oCC1InUNuHJgNcY8vng)-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 12 21:32:48 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8D4AW5L001156 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:10:32 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so2426163wri for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.61.10 with SMTP id j10mr191577wra; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.132.17 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7bccaff90509122110317bb3ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:40:27 +0530 From: Arunkumar Thangavel To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Simon task Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10063_14570167.1126584627197" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_Part_10063_14570167.1126584627197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Sir, Thank you for your software DMDX. I have been using this software for many research papers. Even I am using this software for my thesis work. Currently I am working on Simon task and stuttering. In my experiment I need to present two rectangles of two colors like green and yellow in two corners of the monitor. The subjects response would be pressing "m" key for green and "Z" key for green. I made the rectangles MSPaint and saved as two different bmp files, and I wrote the key as follows (just an example): 0 "press space" /; +1 * "red" / "green" = =20 /; 0 "THANKS" /; but DMDX displays only the green on the left side of the monitor. Kindly help me in solving this problem. who ever works on "Simon Task" can help me. Your help would be appreciated= . Thanking you. --=20 B.Arunkumar Thangavel Junior Research Fellow All India Institute of Speech and Hearing Naimisham Campus Manasagangothri Mysore 570 006 Karnataka INDIA Ph: 91 821 2514449 ------=_Part_10063_14570167.1126584627197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

Dear Sir,
Thank you for your software DMDX. I hav= e been using this software for
many research papers. Even I am using thi= s software for my thesis
work.

Currently I am working on Simon ta= sk and stuttering. In my experiment
I need to present two rectangles of two colors like green and yellowin two corners of the monitor. The subjects response would be pressing
=  "m" key for green and "Z" key for green. I made t= he rectangles
MSPaint and saved as two different bmp files, and I wrote the key asfollows  (just an example):

<n 1> <azk> <cr>= <t 3000> <id "keyboard"> <dwc 0>

0 &quo= t;press space" /;

+1 * <bmp> <x 0> <y 0> "red" / <bmp&= gt; <ln 1> <x 1> <y 0> "green" <ms% 3000>= /;

0 "THANKS" /;

but DMDX displays only the green = on the left side of the monitor.
Kindly help me in solving this problem.
 
who ever works on "Simon Task" can help me. Your help would = be appreciated.

Thanking you.

--
B.Arunkumar ThangavelJunior Research Fellow
All India Institute of Speech and Hearing
Naimisham Campus
Manasagangothri
Mysore 570 006
Karnataka
INDIA=
Ph: 91 821 2514449
------=_Part_10063_14570167.1126584627197-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 12 21:58:55 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8D4wl5L001437 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:58:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CF1B28A1F for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7995B2894C for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:58:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050912215731.00ba4840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:58:39 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Saving data from script that does not run to the end In-Reply-To: <0IMQ00M07GI85O@smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:06 PM 9/12/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi there, > >If a script doesn t complete running, e.g it bombs out for some reason, is >there any way to still get some kind of working data file from it? DMDX >help yields no answers so it probably can t be done, but I thought I d >give it a shot here. If you read the DMDX documentation in the File Generated section you'll find that JOB1.ZIL is the temporary output file and this will have your data: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhfilesgenerated.htm /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Integrity has no need for rules. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 12 22:10:58 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8D5AR5L001538 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:10:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5520EB278FB for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:10:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FB9B09580 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:10:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050912215945.00bc3350@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:10:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Simon task In-Reply-To: <7bccaff90509122110317bb3ed@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:40 AM 9/13/2005 +0530, you wrote: >Dear Sir, >Thank you for your software DMDX. I have been using this software for >many research papers. Even I am using this software for my thesis >work. > >Currently I am working on Simon task and stuttering. In my experiment >I need to present two rectangles of two colors like green and yellow >in two corners of the monitor. The subjects response would be pressing >"m" key for green and "Z" key for green. I made the rectangles >MSPaint and saved as two different bmp files, and I wrote the key as >follows (just an example): > > > >0 "press space" /; > >+1 * "red" / "green" >/; > >0 "THANKS" /; > >but DMDX displays only the green on the left side of the monitor. >Kindly help me in solving this problem. > who ever works on "Simon Task" can help me. Your help would be appreciat Well you've specified that the two rectangles are to be drawn nearly on top of each other so you'll only be seeing the second one of them. And doesn't mean anything with bitmaps. Typically when I'm displaying bitmaps in the fashion you're describing I set to 1 so coordinates represent the middle of images and I use the fractional coordinate system like this: 0 "press space" /; +1 * "red" / "green" /; 0 "THANKS" /; Be aware that if you try and put an image too far off the screen (sometimes any amount off the screen) it won't be displayed. You're also using the default video mode which is generally a bad idea these days unless you're using really old hardware. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Integrity has no need for rules. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 12 22:34:46 2005 Received: from smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (hagen.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.163]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8D5Yc5L001708 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:34:38 -0700 Received: from avs-daemon.smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) id <0IMQ0090AQ4WS5@smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:34:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dkerr (ppp-70-226-153-121.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net [70.226.153.121]) by smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IMQ00MYLQ4U5O@smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:34:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:34:12 -0500 From: "Deborah L. Kerr" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Saving data from script that does not run to the end In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20050912215731.00ba4840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <0IMQ00MYMQ4U5O@smtp7.wiscmail.wisc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list WONDERFUL THANKS! -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:59 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Saving data from script that does not run to the end At 09:06 PM 9/12/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi there, > >If a script doesn t complete running, e.g it bombs out for some reason, is >there any way to still get some kind of working data file from it? DMDX >help yields no answers so it probably can t be done, but I thought I d >give it a shot here. If you read the DMDX documentation in the File Generated section you'll find that JOB1.ZIL is the temporary output file and this will have your data: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhfilesgenerated.htm /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Integrity has no need for rules. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 14 00:10:23 2005 Received: from web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.55]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j8E79D5L009058 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:09:13 -0700 Received: (qmail 41790 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2005 07:09:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20050914070907.41788.qmail@web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [163.26.142.112] by web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:09:07 BST Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:09:07 +0100 (BST) From: Yu-cheng Sieh Subject: [DMDX] interrupt device didn't work! To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1215454116-1126681747=:41567" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1215454116-1126681747=:41567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I am a new user of DMDX. I learned to write the script file and corrected most of the errors by referring to the postings on the ListServ and the DMDX Help. However, when I tested myself (using a Compaq Presario 2800 laptop), I found the mice (both touchpad and USB) didn't work. The mice work in all other conditions but they seem to go to sleep when I run the experiment. The strange thing is the SpaceBar works. When all means failed, I tried to map the Shift buttons on the keyboard, instead of using a mouse. But they didn't work either. It appears that only the SpaceBar works. I am not sure if it's caused by any mistakes I made in the script. The laptop I use is one with some button names in Chinese. I found out the button names by doing the input test in the TimeDX. The number (#0, #1, #2) of the two input devices' buttons was not found on input devices when I ran a syntax check. Here is part of my script. 0 "Press SPACEBAR to start."; +1 / * "sun" / "sun" / / ; -2 / * "lip"/ "book" / / ; -3 / * "banana"/ "apple" / / ; +4 / * "ice cream"/ "ice cream" / /; .... .... I suspect something might have gone wrong so I ran the diagnostics. Here's the info I've got. .... .... EXPERIMENT READY 24 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp Preparation A 48.63ms, B 0.00ms 0 "Press SPACEBAR to start."; Display error at msec 544.36, tick 32 in item 0, frame "Press SPACEBAR to start." moved into video memory 12 ticks late (previous frame's duration will have been longer) -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick Preparation A 0.18ms, B 3.26ms +1 "sun" / * "sun" /! /; DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound Item 1 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% Preparation A 235.44ms, B 97.73ms -2 "lip" / * "book" /! /; DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound Item 2 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% Display error at msec 21590.50, tick 1317 in item 2, frame "book" moved into video memory 250 ticks late (previous frame's duration will have been longer) -- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks Preparation A 310.88ms, B 129.13ms -3 "banana" / * "apple" /! /; DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound Item 3 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% Display error at msec 29072.37, tick 1772 in item 3, frame "apple" moved into video memory 250 ticks late (previous frame's duration will have been longer) -- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks ... ... I noticed that both the display error and tick increased as the experiment went on. But the number of ticks-late when a frame moved into video memory was ranged between 234 and 251. Later I changed the header parameters to thinking that it might help. But it didn't. The result of running a diagnostics is about the same as mentioned above. Could anyone tell me what to do? Thanks a lot. Cheers, Daphne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail --0-1215454116-1126681747=:41567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
I am a new user of DMDX. I learned to write the script file and corrected most of the errors by referring to the postings on the ListServ and the DMDX Help. However, when I tested myself (using a Compaq Presario 2800 laptop), I found the mice (both touchpad and USB) didn't work. The mice work in all other conditions but they seem to go to sleep when I run the experiment. The strange thing is the SpaceBar works. When all means failed, I tried to map the Shift buttons on the keyboard, instead of using a mouse. But they didn't work either. It appears that only the SpaceBar works.
 
I am not sure if it's caused by any mistakes I made in the script.  The laptop I use is one with some button names in Chinese. I found out the button names by doing the input test in the TimeDX. The number (#0, #1, #2) of the two input devices' buttons was not found on input devices when I ran a syntax check.
 
Here is part of my script.
<ep> <n 30> <d 20> <cr> <azk> <nfb> <fd 120> <t 7000> <id "Œ®”Õ"> <mr +Space> <id "ŠŠ‘l"> <umnr> <umpr> <mnr +ˆÂçä0> <mpr ˆÂçä+1> <dbc 255255255> <dwc 0> <vm 800,600,600,16,0> <eop>
0 "Press SPACEBAR to start.";
+1 <ms% 500> / * <wav 2> <svp start> "sun" / <bmp> "sun" / <ms% 1000> / ;
-2 <ms% 500> / * <wav 2> <svp start> "lip"/ <bmp> "book" / <ms% 1000> / ;
-3 <ms% 500> / * <wav 2> <svp start> "banana"/ <bmp> "apple" / <ms% 1000> / ;
+4 <ms% 500> / * <wav 2> <svp start> "ice cream"/ <bmp> "ice cream" / <ms% 1000> /;
....
....
 
I suspect something might have gone wrong so I ran the diagnostics. Here's the info I've got.
....
....
EXPERIMENT READY
24 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp
Preparation A 48.63ms, B 0.00ms
0 "Press SPACEBAR to start.";
Display error at msec 544.36, tick 32 in item 0, frame "Press SPACEBAR to start."
moved into video memory 12 ticks late
(previous frame's duration will have been longer)
-- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick
Preparation A 0.18ms, B 3.26ms
+1 <wav 2> <svp start> "sun" / * <bmp> "sun" /! <ms% 1000> /;
DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound
Item  1 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100%
Preparation A 235.44ms, B 97.73ms
-2 <wav 2> <svp start> "lip" / * <bmp> "book" /! <ms% 1000> /;
DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound
Item  2 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100%
Display error at msec 21590.50, tick 1317 in item 2, frame "book"
moved into video memory 250 ticks late
(previous frame's duration will have been longer)
-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks
Preparation A 310.88ms, B 129.13ms
-3 <wav 2> <svp start> "banana" / * <bmp> "apple" /! <ms% 1000> /;
DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound
Item  3 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100%
Display error at msec 29072.37, tick 1772 in item 3, frame "apple"
moved into video memory 250 ticks late
(previous frame's duration will have been longer)
-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks
...
...
 
I noticed that both the display error and tick increased as the experiment went on. But the number of ticks-late when a frame moved into video memory was ranged between 234 and 251.
 
Later I changed the header parameters to
<ep> <n 30> <d 250> <cr> <azk> <nfb> <fd 120> <t 10000> <id "Œ®”Õ"> <mr +Space> <id "ŠŠ‘l"> <umnr> <umpr> <mnr +ˆÂçä0> <mpr ˆÂçä+1> <dbc 255255255> <dwc 0> <vm 800,600,600,16,0> <eop>
thinking that it might help. But it didn't. The result of running a diagnostics is about the same as mentioned above. Could anyone tell me what to do? Thanks a lot.
 
Cheers,
Daphne

Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail --0-1215454116-1126681747=:41567-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 14 08:34:00 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8EFXC5L011428 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:33:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4E2B09031 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:33:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896A2B2976D for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:33:10 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050914080316.00ba4840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:33:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: interrupt device didn't work! In-Reply-To: <20050914070907.41788.qmail@web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Your display errors will be fixed by removing the delay parameter altogether. Unless you have a real need for a fixed ISI don't use D. As for the input devices if you turn on there will be a whole bunch of information in diagnostics.txt helping us determine what's gone wrong. Pretty odd that we're not getting errors about mappings that aren't found but I'm betting it's related to your positive response mapping not having a + in front of it, should be . Typically with non-english input devices its best to use the # versions of them instead of their named versions, instead of . Then you can use things like -- but be careful if you use more than one # input device as you'll have two #0 buttons and won't be able to map buttons on the second device... At 08:09 AM 9/14/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am a new user of DMDX. I learned to write the script file and corrected >most of the errors by referring to the postings on the ListServ and the >DMDX Help. However, when I tested myself (using a Compaq Presario 2800 >laptop), I found the mice (both touchpad and USB) didn't work. The mice >work in all other conditions but they seem to go to sleep when I run the >experiment. The strange thing is the SpaceBar works. Because you only unmap the positive and negative response keys but not the requests. > When all means failed, I tried to map the Shift buttons on the keyboard, > instead of using a mouse. But they didn't work either. It appears that > only the SpaceBar works. > >I am not sure if it's caused by any mistakes I made in the script. The >laptop I use is one with some button names in Chinese. I found out the >button names by doing the input test in the TimeDX. The number (#0, #1, >#2) of the two input devices' buttons was not found on input devices when >I ran a syntax check. > >Here is part of my script. > +Space> 255255255> >0 "Press SPACEBAR to start."; >+1 / * "sun" / "sun" / / ; >-2 / * "lip"/ "book" / / ; >-3 / * "banana"/ "apple" / / ; >+4 / * "ice cream"/ "ice cream" / 1000> /; >.... >.... > >I suspect something might have gone wrong so I ran the diagnostics. Here's >the info I've got. >.... >.... >EXPERIMENT READY >24 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp >Preparation A 48.63ms, B 0.00ms >0 "Press SPACEBAR to start."; >Display error at msec 544.36, tick 32 in item 0, frame "Press SPACEBAR to >start." >moved into video memory 12 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick >Preparation A 0.18ms, B 3.26ms >+1 "sun" / * "sun" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 1 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Preparation A 235.44ms, B 97.73ms >-2 "lip" / * "book" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 2 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Display error at msec 21590.50, tick 1317 in item 2, frame "book" >moved into video memory 250 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks >Preparation A 310.88ms, B 129.13ms >-3 "banana" / * "apple" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 3 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Display error at msec 29072.37, tick 1772 in item 3, frame "apple" >moved into video memory 250 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks >... >... > >I noticed that both the display error and tick increased as the experiment >went on. But the number of ticks-late when a frame moved into video memory >was ranged between 234 and 251. > >Later I changed the header parameters to > +Space> 255255255> >thinking that it might help. But it didn't. The result of running a >diagnostics is about the same as mentioned above. Could anyone tell me >what to do? Thanks a lot. > >Cheers, >Daphne > > >NEW - crystal clear PC to PC /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Integrity has no need for rules. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 14 10:53:12 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8EHZB5L012169 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:35:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE31B24403 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:35:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D36BB04F60 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:33:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050914103255.00ba4cf0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:33:32 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: interrupt device didn't work! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050914080316.00ba4840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <20050914070907.41788.qmail@web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:33 AM 9/14/2005 -0700, you wrote: Correction: > Then you can use things like Then you can use things like /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Help starve a feeding bureaucrat. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 14 20:10:01 2005 Received: from web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.59]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j8F38V5L016016 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:08:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 91336 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2005 03:08:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20050915030820.91334.qmail@web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [163.26.142.112] by web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:08:20 BST Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:08:20 +0100 (BST) From: Yu-cheng Sieh Subject: [DMDX] Re: interrupt device didn't work! To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050914080316.00ba4840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-390757293-1126753700=:88553" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-390757293-1126753700=:88553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Jonathan, Thank you for your suggestion. All display errors were solved after I removed the delay parameter as you suggested. However, the mapping is still not working. I followed your suggestion and changed the input device to #. But the syntax check told me that the <#3> was not found on input devices. I once suspected that the signal sent by the mouse was not received probably because the .bmp and the .wav take up too much video memory. So I wrote another script using only text. However, the mouse still failed to function. Not even when I used # in mapping the positive and negative responses. The RTs in all items all showed the timeout ms and 100% error rate. Here are the header parameters and test items. 0 "Press SPACEBAR to start." ; +1 * "rabbit" /; +2 * "tool" /; -3 * "rubid" /; -4 * "stopograttic" /; +5 * "mouse" /; 0 "The end. Thank you." ; I am at my wits' end. Could you help me to solve the mapping problem? Thanks a lot. Daphne "j.c.f." wrote: Your display errors will be fixed by removing the delay parameter altogether. Unless you have a real need for a fixed ISI don't use D. As for the input devices if you turn on there will be a whole bunch of information in diagnostics.txt helping us determine what's gone wrong. Pretty odd that we're not getting errors about mappings that aren't found but I'm betting it's related to your positive response mapping not having a + in front of it, should be . Typically with non-english input devices its best to use the # versions of them instead of their named versions, instead of "ŠŠ‘l">. Then you can use things like -- but be careful if you use more than one # input device as you'll have two #0 buttons and won't be able to map buttons on the second device... At 08:09 AM 9/14/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am a new user of DMDX. I learned to write the script file and corrected >most of the errors by referring to the postings on the ListServ and the >DMDX Help. However, when I tested myself (using a Compaq Presario 2800 >laptop), I found the mice (both touchpad and USB) didn't work. The mice >work in all other conditions but they seem to go to sleep when I run the >experiment. The strange thing is the SpaceBar works. Because you only unmap the positive and negative response keys but not the requests. > When all means failed, I tried to map the Shift buttons on the keyboard, > instead of using a mouse. But they didn't work either. It appears that > only the SpaceBar works. > >I am not sure if it's caused by any mistakes I made in the script. The >laptop I use is one with some button names in Chinese. I found out the >button names by doing the input test in the TimeDX. The number (#0, #1, >#2) of the two input devices' buttons was not found on input devices when >I ran a syntax check. > >Here is part of my script. > >+Space> >255255255> >0 "Press SPACEBAR to start."; >+1 / * "sun" / "sun" / / ; >-2 / * "lip"/ "book" / / ; >-3 / * "banana"/ "apple" / / ; >+4 / * "ice cream"/ "ice cream" / >1000> /; >.... >.... > >I suspect something might have gone wrong so I ran the diagnostics. Here's >the info I've got. >.... >.... >EXPERIMENT READY >24 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp >Preparation A 48.63ms, B 0.00ms >0 "Press SPACEBAR to start."; >Display error at msec 544.36, tick 32 in item 0, frame "Press SPACEBAR to >start." >moved into video memory 12 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick >Preparation A 0.18ms, B 3.26ms >+1 "sun" / * "sun" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 1 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Preparation A 235.44ms, B 97.73ms >-2 "lip" / * "book" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 2 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Display error at msec 21590.50, tick 1317 in item 2, frame "book" >moved into video memory 250 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks >Preparation A 310.88ms, B 129.13ms >-3 "banana" / * "apple" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 3 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Display error at msec 29072.37, tick 1772 in item 3, frame "apple" >moved into video memory 250 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks >... >... > >I noticed that both the display error and tick increased as the experiment >went on. But the number of ticks-late when a frame moved into video memory >was ranged between 234 and 251. > >Later I changed the header parameters to > >+Space> >255255255> >thinking that it might help. But it didn't. The result of running a >diagnostics is about the same as mentioned above. Could anyone tell me >what to do? Thanks a lot. > >Cheers, >Daphne > > >NEW - crystal clear PC to PC /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Integrity has no need for rules. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Hello Jonathan,
 
Thank you for your suggestion. All display errors were solved after I removed the delay parameter as you suggested. However, the mapping is still not working. I followed your suggestion and changed the input device to #. But the syntax check told me that the <#3> was not found on input devices.
 
I once suspected that the signal sent by the mouse was not received probably because the .bmp and the .wav take up too much video memory. So I wrote another script using only text. However, the mouse still failed to function. Not even when I used # in mapping the positive and negative responses. The RTs in all items all showed the timeout ms and 100% error rate.
 
Here are the header parameters and test items.
<ep> <n 5> <cr> <azk> <nfb> <fd 38> <t 2500> <id "鍵盤"> <mr +Space> <id "滑鼠"> <umnr> <umpr> <mnr +#3> <mpr +#4> <dbc 255255255> <dwc 0> <vm 800,600,600,16,0> <eop>
0 "Press SPACEBAR to start." ;
+1 * "rabbit" /;
+2 * "tool" /;
-3 * "rubid" /;
-4 * "stopograttic" /;
+5 * "mouse" /;
0 "The end.  Thank you." <end>;
I am at my wits' end. Could you help me to solve the mapping problem? Thanks a lot.
 
Daphne


"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:

Your display errors will be fixed by removing the delay parameter
altogether. Unless you have a real need for a fixed ISI don't use D.

As for the input devices if you turn on there will be a
whole bunch of information in diagnostics.txt helping us determine what's
gone wrong. Pretty odd that we're not getting errors about mappings that
aren't found but I'm betting it's related to your positive response mapping
not having a + in front of it, should be .

Typically with non-english input devices its best to use the # versions
of them instead of their named versions, instead of "ŠŠ‘l">. Then you can use things like -- but be careful if you use
more than one # input device as you'll have two #0 buttons and won't be
able to map buttons on the second device...


At 08:09 AM 9/14/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am a new user of DMDX. I learned to write the script file and corrected
>most of the errors by referring to the postings on the ListServ and the
>DMDX Help. However, when I tested myself (using a Compaq Presario 2800
>laptop), I found the mice (both touchpad and USB) didn't work. The mice
>work in all other conditions but they seem to go to sleep when I run the
>experiment. The strange thing is the SpaceBar works.

Because you only unmap the positive and negative response keys but not
the requests.

> When all means failed, I tried to map the Shift buttons on the keyboard,
> instead of using a mouse. But they didn't work either. It appears that
> only the SpaceBar works.
>
>I am not sure if it's caused by any mistakes I made in the script. The
>laptop I use is one with some button names in Chinese. I found out the
>button names by doing the input test in the TimeDX. The number (#0, #1,
>#2) of the two input devices' buttons was not found on input devices when
>I ran a syntax check.
>
>Here is part of my script.
> >+Space> >255255255>
>0 "Press SPACEBAR to start.";
>+1 / * "sun" / "sun" / / ;
>-2 / * "lip"/ "book" / / ;
>-3 / * "banana"/ "apple" / / ;
>+4 / * "ice cream"/ "ice cream" / >1000> /;
>....
>....
>
>I suspect something might have gone wrong so I ran the diagnostics. Here's
>the info I've got.
>....
>....
>EXPERIMENT READY
>24 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp
>Preparation A 48.63ms, B 0.00ms
>0 "Press SPACEBAR to start.";
>Display error at msec 544.36, tick 32 in item 0, frame "Press SPACEBAR to
>start."
>moved into video memory 12 ticks late
>(previous frame's duration will have been longer)
>-- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick
>Preparation A 0.18ms, B 3.26ms
>+1 "sun" / * "sun" /! /;
>DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound
>Item 1 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100%
>Preparation A 235.44ms, B 97.73ms
>-2 "lip" / * "book" /! /;
>DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound
>Item 2 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100%
>Display error at msec 21590.50, tick 1317 in item 2, frame "book"
>moved into video memory 250 ticks late
>(previous frame's duration will have been longer)
>-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks
>Preparation A 310.88ms, B 129.13ms
>-3 "banana" / * "apple" /! /;
>DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound
>Item 3 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100%
>Display error at msec 29072.37, tick 1772 in item 3, frame "apple"
>moved into video memory 250 ticks late
>(previous frame's duration will have been longer)
>-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks
>...
>...
>
>I noticed that both the display error and tick increased as the experiment
>went on. But the number of ticks-late when a frame moved into video memory
>was ranged between 234 and 251.
>
>Later I changed the header parameters to
> >+Space> >255255255>
>thinking that it might help. But it didn't. The result of running a
>diagnostics is about the same as mentioned above. Could anyone tell me
>what to do? Thanks a lot.
>
>Cheers,
>Daphne
>
>
>NEW - crystal clear PC to PC

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In-Reply-To: <20050915030820.91334.qmail@web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050914080316.00ba4840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:08 AM 9/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I am at my wits' end. Could you help me to solve the mapping problem? >Thanks a lot. > Turn on like I said in the parameter line and look at diagnostics.txt, it will contain the information we need to see. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Integrity has no need for rules. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 15 08:23:16 2005 Received: from web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.59]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j8FFLo5L019310 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:21:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 99102 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2005 15:21:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20050915152145.99100.qmail@web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.227.142.50] by web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:21:45 BST Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:21:45 +0100 (BST) From: Yu-cheng Sieh Subject: [DMDX] Re: interrupt device To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050914215208.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-654640120-1126797705=:92585" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-654640120-1126797705=:92585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Jonathan, I am not sure what info we are looking for. But here's what I got from running the diagnostics in TestMode 10. I'll just copy the digits from the diagnostics.txt which are listed behind the buttons I've used or tried to map. ... ... Job is running in TESTMODE 10 Available DI device <滑鼠> [] (my note: which is mouse) Available DI device <鍵盤> [L] (my note: which is keyboard) Adding Input Device button <+Escape> 43 69 115 99 97 112 101 Adding Input Device button <-Escape> 45 69 115 99 97 112 101 Adding Input Device button <+Backspace> 43 66 97 99 107 115 112 97 99 101 Adding Input Device button <-Backspace> 45 66 97 99 107 115 112 97 99 101 Adding Input Device button <+左邊 Shift> 43 -91 -86 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116 (=L Shift) Adding Input Device button <-左邊 Shift> 45 -91 -86 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116 Adding Input Device button <+右邊 Shift> 43 -91 107 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116 (=R Shift) Adding Input Device button <-右邊 Shift> 45 -91 107 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116 Adding Input Device button <+Space> 43 83 112 97 99 101 Adding Input Device button <-> 45 83 112 97 99 101 ... Available DI device <滑鼠>[] (my note: which is mouse) Adding Input Device button <+按鈕0> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 48 Adding Input Device button <-按鈕0> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 48 45 Adding Input Device button <+按鈕1> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 49 Adding Input Device button <-按鈕1> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 49 Adding Input Device button <+按鈕2> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 50 Adding Input Device button <-按鈕2> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 50 Mapping button <+#0> 43 35 48 <+#0> not found on input device May I know what those digits mean? Thanks a lot. Daphne "j.c.f." wrote: At 04:08 AM 9/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I am at my wits' end. Could you help me to solve the mapping problem? >Thanks a lot. > Turn on like I said in the parameter line and look at diagnostics.txt, it will contain the information we need to see. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Integrity has no need for rules. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail --0-654640120-1126797705=:92585 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello Jonathan,
 
I am not sure what info we are looking for.
But here's what I got from running the diagnostics in TestMode 10. I'll just copy the digits from the diagnostics.txt which are listed behind the buttons I've used or tried to map.
...
...
Job is running in TESTMODE 10
Available DI device <滑鼠> [] (my note: which is mouse)
Available DI device <鍵盤> [L] (my note: which is keyboard)
Adding Input Device button <+Escape> 43 69 115 99 97 112 101
Adding Input Device button <-Escape> 45 69 115 99 97 112 101
Adding Input Device button <+Backspace> 43 66 97 99 107 115 112 97 99 101
Adding Input Device button <-Backspace> 45 66 97 99 107 115 112 97 99 101
Adding Input Device button <+左邊 Shift> 43 -91 -86 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116  (=L Shift)
Adding Input Device button <-左邊 Shift> 45 -91 -86 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116
Adding Input Device button <+右邊 Shift> 43 -91 107 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116 (=R Shift)
Adding Input Device button <-右邊 Shift> 45 -91 107 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116
Adding Input Device button <+Space> 43 83 112 97 99 101
Adding Input Device button <-> 45 83 112 97 99 101
...
Available DI device <滑鼠>[] (my note: which is mouse)
Adding Input Device button <+按鈕0> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 48
Adding Input Device button <-按鈕0> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 48 45
Adding Input Device button <+按鈕1> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 49
Adding Input Device button <-按鈕1> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 49
Adding Input Device button <+按鈕2> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 50
Adding Input Device button <-按鈕2> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 50
Mapping button <+#0> 43 35 48 
<+#0> not found on input device
 
May I know what those digits mean? Thanks a lot.
 
Daphne
 
"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 04:08 AM 9/15/2005 +0100, you wrote:

>I am at my wits' end. Could you help me to solve the mapping problem?
>Thanks a lot.
>

Turn on like I said in the parameter line and look at
diagnostics.txt, it will contain the information we need to see.

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Subject: [DMDX] Re: interrupt device In-Reply-To: <20050915152145.99100.qmail@web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050914215208.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:21 PM 9/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hello Jonathan, > >I am not sure what info we are looking for. >But here's what I got from running the diagnostics in TestMode 10. I'll >just copy the digits from the diagnostics.txt which are listed behind the >buttons I've used or tried to map. >... >... >Job is running in TESTMODE 10 >Available DI device <Ñ > [] (my note: which is mouse) >Available DI device [L] (my note: which is keyboard) >Adding Input Device button <+Escape> 43 69 115 99 97 112 101 >Adding Input Device button <-Escape> 45 69 115 99 97 112 101 >Adding Input Device button <+Backspace> 43 66 97 99 107 115 112 97 99 101 >Adding Input Device button <-Backspace> 45 66 97 99 107 115 112 97 99 101 >Adding Input Device button <+æŠ Shift> 43 -91 -86 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 >102 116 (=L Shift) >Adding Input Device button <-æŠ Shift> 45 -91 -86 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 >102 116 >Adding Input Device button <+óŠ Shift> 43 -91 107 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 >102 116 (=R Shift) >Adding Input Device button <-óŠ Shift> 45 -91 107 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 >102 116 >Adding Input Device button <+Space> 43 83 112 97 99 101 >Adding Input Device button <-> 45 83 112 97 99 101 >... >Available DI device <Ñ >[] (my note: which is mouse) >Adding Input Device button <+ 0> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 48 >Adding Input Device button <- 0> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 48 45 >Adding Input Device button <+ 1> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 49 >Adding Input Device button <- 1> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 49 >Adding Input Device button <+ 2> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 50 >Adding Input Device button <- 2> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 50 >Mapping button <+#0> 43 35 48 ><+#0> not found on input device > >May I know what those digits mean? Thanks a lot. That's the decimal representation of the raw ascii characters. Amazingly the # character is somehow -85 -10 -74 115 32 instead of the 35 it should be. Some kind of weird escape code has gotten in there. Pretty impressive as it's my code that puts it in there but who knows what chicanery is going on to handle your Asian fonts. Unless you can successfully copy the text out of diagnostics.txt for the name of that key you'll have to give up on the whole # based scheme and use normal input device and button names and paste the button names out of diagnostics.txt after changing the item file to use the non # version of the device name. Weird. I'll have a look at the code and see if I can see what's getting a hold of the button names and mucking them up in which case there'll be a new version of DMDX to try this afternoon. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Integrity has no need for rules. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 15 13:20:09 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8FKJu5L021040 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:19:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4B9B2AD1D for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:19:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EAFB2A59F for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:19:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050915131615.00ba4cf0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:19:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: interrupt device In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050915111215.00ba47e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <20050915152145.99100.qmail@web26609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050914215208.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I see what's happening. You need to use the literal characters: No Chinese stuff. #mouse is a special name to DMDX meaning grab the first mouse-like device -- regardless of what it's actual name is. Same with #keyboard and #joystick. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Help starve a feeding bureaucrat. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 15 18:10:22 2005 Received: from web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.56]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j8G19X5L022696 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:09:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 64286 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2005 01:09:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050916010927.64284.qmail@web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [163.26.142.112] by web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:09:27 BST Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:09:27 +0100 (BST) From: Yu-cheng Sieh Subject: [DMDX] Re: interrupt device To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050915131615.00ba4cf0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1255018947-1126832967=:62657" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1255018947-1126832967=:62657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A million thanks to Jonathan. It works. I will change my input device name to #button_name. Thanks again. Daphne "Jonathan C. Forster" wrote: I see what's happening. You need to use the literal characters: No Chinese stuff. #mouse is a special name to DMDX meaning grab the first mouse-like device -- regardless of what it's actual name is. Same with #keyboard and #joystick. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Help starve a feeding bureaucrat. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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 A million thanks to Jonathan. It works. I will change my input device name to #button_name. Thanks again.
 
Daphne

"Jonathan C. Forster" <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:

I see what's happening. You need to use the literal characters:



No Chinese stuff. #mouse is a special name to DMDX meaning grab the
first mouse-like device -- regardless of what it's actual name is. Same
with #keyboard and #joystick.

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Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail --0-1255018947-1126832967=:62657-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 19 23:26:03 2005 Received: from ross.city.unisa.edu.au (ross.city.unisa.edu.au [130.220.84.23]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j8K6O75M017493 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:24:08 -0700 Received: from ross.city.unisa.edu.au ([130.220.84.23]) by ross.city.unisa.edu.au (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2005092015535816901 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:53:58 +0930 Received: from ITUPROD-GT1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au (ituprod-gt1.levels.unisa.edu.au [130.220.79.35]) by ross.city.unisa.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j8K6NoOD002975 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:53:58 +0930 (CST) Received: from ITUPROD-EXCL1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au ([130.220.64.10]) by ITUPROD-GT1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:53:50 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: missing item number error Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:53:49 +0930 Message-ID: <125E143C87C9D744AD879C611475D035027B3A08@ITUPROD-EXCL1.UniNet.unisa.edu.au> From: "Mark Conroy" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathon, Thanks for the advice regarding the problem below. I have since solved the problem and the file is now working...altghough I am still not exactly sure how I did it. I think it had something to do with a surplus $ character somewhere in the file. Once I fixed this, it didn't seem to matter that I had the backslash \ next to the + character and the item number, as in: \+10201"have", DMDX still recognised the backslash. Nevertheless I took your advice and I did rewrite the file to put backslashes on separate lines....just to be safe. Mark -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2005 1:27 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: missing item number error At 02:15 PM 9/9/2005 +0930, you wrote: >Hi Jonathon, > >Thanks for your advice. Unfortunately doing as you suggest did not >help. Therefore I am still stuck. Besides, the syntax I originally >used with the backslash definitely works without problem in my other >file. That is, the following causes no problem in my other file: > >0"READY - PRESS SPACEBAR";$ >\+10201"have", It certainly should function, the only criteria I remember adding to scramble for a backslash was that it had to be at the start of line. General religious reasons make me follow it with white space however. >"house", >"their", >"could", >"whole", >"they", >*!"painted"; > >Have you got any other advice about what things may be causing a >'missing item number' or things like 'RTF control word <\+> used not >supported' errors? I would appreciate any tips or clues. Somehow or other DMDX isn't seeing the backslash as a backslash. Either it's some extended character that just happens to look like a backslash or the RTF is badly formed. RTF codes all begin with a backslash, you don't see them because Word or whatever it is that you are using interprets them like DMDX does and displays meaningful text. Open an item file in a text editor (Notepad if you don't have a better one) one day and you'll see what I mean. In fact it'd be interesting to see just what it is that your file has in it. What's happening is that somehow your backslash isn't being seen as the text of the item file but an RTF control word, hence it sees \+ which isn't an RTF control word. Backslashes if they're really backslashes are stripped out by Scramble so DMDX's item parser would never see them in normal operation so when you ignore unknown RTF DMDX's item parser sees it and is looking for a item CR indicator or an item number and it throws the syntax error. Very weird that the RTF parser would see it as a backslash but Scramble won't. Try deleting and retyping the offending section. Or you can pour the item file though WordPad and see if it can't strip the poorly formed section out. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: missing item number error In-Reply-To: <125E143C87C9D744AD879C611475D035027B3A08@ITUPROD-EXCL1.Uni Net.unisa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:53 PM 9/20/2005 +0930, you wrote: >Hi Jonathon, > >Thanks for the advice regarding the problem below. I have since solved >the problem and the file is now working...altghough I am still not >exactly sure how I did it. I think it had something to do with a >surplus $ character somewhere in the file. Once I fixed this, it didn't >seem to matter that I had the backslash \ next to the + character and >the item number, as in: > \+10201"have", >DMDX still recognised the backslash. Nevertheless I took your advice and >I did rewrite the file to put backslashes on separate lines....just to >be safe. Yeah, it's entirely possible that scramble still has a lulu or two in there. The code wasn't written by me and when it was written getting it working was considered nothing short of miraculous. I've cleaned up most of the nasties but I know of at least one oddity that remains that I consider not worth going after given the risk of further perturbing that piece of code... /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Failure is never fatal and success is never final. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 23 07:33:07 2005 Received: from web33909.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33909.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.73]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j8NEVW5L008068 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:31:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 56874 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2005 14:31:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050923143127.56872.qmail@web33909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [201.129.202.212] by web33909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:31:27 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Lauren Lukkarila Subject: [DMDX] PIO Test Time DX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-901415889-1127485887=:55808" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-901415889-1127485887=:55808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've done all of the other test for Time DX and they work. However, if I try to run DMDX it tells me that I need to do the PIO Test. When I go to the PIO Test, there is a drop down box which suggests to me that perhaps I should have some choices there. In my case, the box is empty. I want to use the keyboard as the input device so what do I need to type in this box or is it that I have to add something to my computer to get this to work? Thanks. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-901415889-1127485887=:55808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I've done all of the other test for Time DX and they work.  However, if I try to run DMDX it tells me that I need to do the PIO Test.  When I go to the PIO Test, there is a drop down box which suggests to me that perhaps I should have some choices there.  In my case, the box is empty.  I want to use the keyboard as the input device so what do I need to type in this box or is it that I have to add something to my computer to get this to work?  Thanks.
 
 

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I am trying to run DMDX on a Toshiba laptop with Windows XP.  I have attempted to run the features.rtf from the Demos file.  Initially, I see the instructions and I can use the space bar to go to the next page.  However, once the word/non-word appears none of the inputs work (right click, left click, F, G, H).  Even when I try to escape, there is no response.  I have to shut down the computer in order to get out of the program.  Any thoughts on what is going on and how to remedy it?  Thanks.
 
 

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-868223614-1127495551=:1608-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 23 10:25:06 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8NHOu5L009171 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:24:57 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIrI8-0007bJ-CV for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:24:56 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1EIrI8-0003hT-Ak for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:24:56 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:24:56 +0100 Message-ID: <1127496296.43343a684613b@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:24:56 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX mailing list Subject: [DMDX] videos freeze computer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I'm having a similar problem to Lauren. On a Dell laptop with XP, I'm running an experiment with .jpg and .avi files. The .jpgs are fine, but the computer freezes when it hits an .avi file. The videos are fine in Media Player. What's going on? Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 23 13:10:36 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8NK9x5L010129 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:09:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CCEB3BEE2 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:09:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCF1B3EC61 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:09:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050923130456.00ba4c00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:09:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: running DMDX freezes computer In-Reply-To: <20050923171231.3339.qmail@web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:12 AM 9/23/2005 -0700, you wrote: >I am trying to run DMDX on a Toshiba laptop with Windows XP. I have >attempted to run the features.rtf from the Demos file. Initially, I see >the instructions and I can use the space bar to go to the next >page. However, once the word/non-word appears none of the inputs work >(right click, left click, F, G, H). Even when I try to escape, there is >no response. I have to shut down the computer in order to get out of the >program. Any thoughts on what is going on and how to remedy it? Thanks. Your input devices probably don't have standard names, usually the case it it's not an english version of XP. You can try the #mouse and #keyboard devices but any mappings that the demo makes won't be functioning as signals like +F are now +#33. Safemode 1 will allow DMDX to be ESCaped from under such circumstances (as would a couple of cntrl-alt-dels). /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Help starve a feeding bureaucrat. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 23 13:16:25 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8NKGJ5L010194 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:16:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0509B3F399 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:16:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E7FB39F2C for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:16:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050923131001.00bcc768@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:16:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: videos freeze computer In-Reply-To: <1127496296.43343a684613b@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:24 PM 9/23/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm having a similar problem to Lauren. > >On a Dell laptop with XP, I'm running an experiment with .jpg and .avi files. >The .jpgs are fine, but the computer freezes when it hits an .avi file. The >videos are fine in Media Player. What's going on? Could be anything from some daft codec error message about having to download some new software to an incompatible video mode (I don't recommend 256 color video modes at all) or a play back rectangle that the codec doesn't like (left corner isn't left of the right corner or it's size is too big or too small). Or something else I've never seen, the sky's the limit with video. TimeDX has a Digital Video test that you can use to play the files that are busting DMDX and hopefully you'll get some better diagnostics out of it. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Help starve a feeding bureaucrat. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 27 21:04:53 2005 Received: from srvudlaex06.udla.fundacion.mx (srvudlaex06.pue.udlap.mx [140.148.62.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8S4385L006032 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:03:09 -0700 Received: from srvudlaex06.udla.fundacion.mx(140.148.62.10) by webshield-udla.udlap.mx via smtp id 5e0c_da9c4cf2_2fd4_11da_8d61_0030482971d6; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:03:41 -0500 Received: from SRVUDLAEX02.udla.fundacion.mx ([140.148.9.18]) by srvudlaex06.udla.fundacion.mx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:11:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5C3E2.A7F55EF1" Subject: [DMDX] Video in DMDX Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:11:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Gerardo Ortega Delgado" To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5C3E2.A7F55EF1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to run DMDX with video. I have run TimeDX and the video that = I have recorded looks quite neatly,but when I try to run DMDX, the = syntax check tells me that I have to use TimeDX to "tune some values for = anticipating the vertical retrace". Does anybody know how to do this? =20 Thank you very much, -Gerardo Ortega ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5C3E2.A7F55EF1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5C3E2.A7F55EF1-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 27 21:33:40 2005 Received: from smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu (hermes.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.190]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8S4XR5L006216 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:33:28 -0700 Received: from avs-daemon.smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) id <0INI00101FBMUZ@smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:33:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dkerr (ppp-70-226-153-121.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net [70.226.153.121]) by smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0INI00IMHFBLK6@smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:33:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:33:24 -0500 From: "Deborah L. Kerr" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Video in DMDX In-reply-to: To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <0INI00IMIFBLK6@smtp4.wiscmail.wisc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_aDreMfVjPsnqo0r8vdBXNQ)" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_aDreMfVjPsnqo0r8vdBXNQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yes, no worries, this should be easy to fix. Go into TimeDX again. Select File, Select Video Mode and make sure that the video mode you have in your rtf file is the same as the one you selected here. Then File, Time Video Mode (let the test complete and hit Done). Then go to Basic Tests, and do the Millisecond Timer Test and the Refresh Rate Tests. Last, go to Advanced Tests and do ALL of those tests with the exception of Sound and Digital Video Tests (unless you want sound with your videos). Then Exit TimeDX and you should be good to go when you start DMDX. Deb _____ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Gerardo Ortega Delgado Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:11 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Video in DMDX I'm trying to run DMDX with video. I have run TimeDX and the video that I have recorded looks quite neatly,but when I try to run DMDX, the syntax check tells me that I have to use TimeDX to "tune some values for anticipating the vertical retrace". Does anybody know how to do this? Thank you very much, -Gerardo Ortega --Boundary_(ID_aDreMfVjPsnqo0r8vdBXNQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Yes, no worries, this should be easy to fix.

 

Go into TimeDX again. Select File, Select Video Mode and make sure that the video mode you have in your rtf file is the same as the one you selected here. Then File, Time Video Mode (let the test complete and hit Done). Then go to Basic Tests, and do the Millisecond Timer Test and the Refresh Rate Tests. Last, go to Advanced Tests and do ALL of those tests with the exception of Sound and Digital Video Tests (unless you want sound with your videos). Then Exit TimeDX and you should be good to go when you start DMDX.

 

Deb

 

From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Gerardo Ortega Delgado
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:11 PM
To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: [DMDX] Video in DMDX

 

I'm trying to run DMDX with video. I have run TimeDX and the video that I have recorded looks quite neatly,but when I try to run DMDX, the syntax check tells me that I have to use TimeDX to "tune some values for anticipating the vertical retrace". Does anybody know how to do this?

 

Thank you very much,

-Gerardo Ortega

--Boundary_(ID_aDreMfVjPsnqo0r8vdBXNQ)-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 27 23:59:09 2005 Received: from maccs.mq.edu.au (currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8S6wk5L006866 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:58:46 -0700 Received: from [137.111.48.204] (c5a204m.maccs.mq.edu.au [137.111.48.204]) by maccs.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j8S6whb24917; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:58:44 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig Richardson Subject: [DMDX] Bug after upgrading to 3.1.4.1? Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:58:38 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem script and don't seem to be able to find an up to date changelog on the website. I was wondering if someone could tell me a list of changes between versions 3.1.2.6 and 3.1.4.1 The problem is we have some scripts that worked just fine under 3.1.2.6 and after we upgraded to 3.1.4.1 they started producing large timing errors. We use disk imaging in our labs so before we upgrade DMDX we roll the entire disk image back to the way it was when we first setup our labs. This way I can ensure that the only difference from the working setup to the broken one was that we upgraded DMDX. We've also tried running the same script on different computers with identical hardware as well as an identical disk image to rule out faulty hardware. Details of our lab setup can be found at http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au/ resources/Computing/DMDX/ Examples of the scripts and their .zil/.azk file with the errors in it are here. http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au/~crichard/dmdx/Adjectives/ In this .zil file subject 25 was run with our base image with DMDX 3.1.2.6 and subject 27 was run after we installed 3.1.4.1 http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au/~crichard/dmdx/IAT/ In the .azk file in this directory subject 18 was run with 3.1.2.6, subject 19 was run with 3.1.4.1 (in diagnostic mode) and subject 20 was run with 3.1.4.1. After these tests I then updated the display drivers to be the current ATI catalyst version and re-ran the tests. 3.1.4.1 behaved the same way however. If anyone has any suggestions or knows of any changes between versions that might have caused this they'd be very much appreciated. thanks, Craig -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 28 07:10:30 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8SE9p5L008753 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:09:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD997B4540F for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:09:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E148B45373 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:09:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050928065936.00ba4798@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:09:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Bug after upgrading to 3.1.4.1? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I guess if you were using and then that you could be your problem if it's always the first frame of the item that's late: 08/08/05 j.c.f. 3.1.4.1 with made rigorous ( with was already) 06/06/05 j.c.f. 3.1.4.0 06/03/05 j.c.f. 3.1.3.0 background sound 05/24/05 j.c.f. 3.1.2.7 item_read() spews item during early errors, makes misplaced keyword at start of item easier to debug 03/30/05 j.c.f. 3.1.2.6 machinename only tries to READ registry computer name for limited access machines If you really need a fixed ITI then you'll have to make the delay larger, looking at the preparation times will tell you how long the delay needs to be: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxherrors.htm#preparation A lot of people are using when there's no call for it, if they don't like the default half second or so between trials then they can use a negative value for the delay which will avoid display errors. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdelaykeyword.htm At 04:58 PM 9/28/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem script and don't seem to be able >to find an up to date changelog on the website. I was wondering if >someone could tell me a list of changes between versions 3.1.2.6 and >3.1.4.1 > >The problem is we have some scripts that worked just fine under >3.1.2.6 and after we upgraded to 3.1.4.1 they started producing large >timing errors. > >We use disk imaging in our labs so before we upgrade DMDX we roll the >entire disk image back to the way it was when we first setup our >labs. This way I can ensure that the only difference from the >working setup to the broken one was that we upgraded DMDX. We've >also tried running the same script on different computers with >identical hardware as well as an identical disk image to rule out >faulty hardware. >Details of our lab setup can be found at http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au/ >resources/Computing/DMDX/ > >Examples of the scripts and their .zil/.azk file with the errors in >it are here. >http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au/~crichard/dmdx/Adjectives/ >In this .zil file subject 25 was run with our base image with DMDX >3.1.2.6 and subject 27 was run after we installed 3.1.4.1 > >http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au/~crichard/dmdx/IAT/ >In the .azk file in this directory subject 18 was run with 3.1.2.6, >subject 19 was run with 3.1.4.1 (in diagnostic mode) and subject 20 >was run with 3.1.4.1. > >After these tests I then updated the display drivers to be the >current ATI catalyst version and re-ran the tests. >3.1.4.1 behaved the same way however. > >If anyone has any suggestions or knows of any changes between >versions that might have caused this they'd be very much appreciated. > >thanks, >Craig > >-- >Craig Richardson >Systems Administrator >Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science >Macquarie University >Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 >Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 >Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ As a rule software systems do not work well until they have been used, and have failed repeatedly, in real applications. - Dave Parnas, Communications of the ACM (33, 6 June 1990 p.636) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 28 10:25:50 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8SHOS5L009838 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:24:29 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKffP-0001io-T4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:24:27 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1EKffP-0003gk-NB for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:24:27 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:24:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1127928267.433ad1cba35d1@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:24:27 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX mailing list Subject: [DMDX] videos still freezing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I'm back with my question again. When I run a script with a .avi movie DMDX freezes (nothing happens and I have to CTRL_ALT_DEL to end task). I'm trying to get it to run on a Dell laptop with Windows XP and DMDX 3.1.4.1. I didn't have this trouble getting it to run on my own PC (Win 98) DMDX 3.0.2.5 and another PC (Win XP) DMDX 3.0.4.8. Would it be possible to get this (3.0.4.8) version of DMDX? Is there some sort of difference between laptops and PCs that could account for this? Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 28 11:19:09 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8SIIH5L010231 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:18:17 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9128BB486C2 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7086DB4875D for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:15:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050928111111.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:15:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: videos still freezing In-Reply-To: <1127928267.433ad1cba35d1@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:24 PM 9/28/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm back with my question again. When I run a script with a .avi movie DMDX >freezes (nothing happens and I have to CTRL_ALT_DEL to end task). Try , you'll probably find that ESC will end the task. >I'm trying to get it to run on a Dell laptop with Windows XP and DMDX >3.1.4.1. I >didn't have this trouble getting it to run on my own PC (Win 98) DMDX 3.0.2.5 >and another PC (Win XP) DMDX 3.0.4.8. Would it be possible to get this >(3.0.4.8) version of DMDX? No. >Is there some sort of difference between laptops and PCs that could >account for >this? Your problem could be anything from different input devices to missing video codecs. See if TimeDX's Digital Video can play the files, if it can then there's something in your script like a weird playback region or something else that is blowing things up. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Help starve a feeding bureaucrat. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 29 06:22:35 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8TDLU5L015110 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:21:30 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EKyLp-0001r2-6w for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:21:29 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1EKyLp-0006IL-3s for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:21:29 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:21:28 +0100 Message-ID: <1128000088.433bea58efa9d@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:21:28 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: videos still freezing References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050928111111.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050928111111.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I figured out my video problem--it's a Windows XP (service pack 1 and 2) thing. I managed to get everything running in the end on a Dell laptop with Windows 2000. We knew it wasn't a codec problem because the videos were made on the same machines that I was trying to use before and would play in Media Player without problem. Is there anyway to fix the XP problem---my department has upgraded all of our computers with XP and I might struggle to keep a machine with 98 or 2000 on it. Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting "Jonathan C. Forster" : > At 06:24 PM 9/28/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm back with my question again. When I run a script with a .avi movie DMDX > >freezes (nothing happens and I have to CTRL_ALT_DEL to end task). > > Try , you'll probably find that ESC will end the task. > > >I'm trying to get it to run on a Dell laptop with Windows XP and DMDX > >3.1.4.1. I > >didn't have this trouble getting it to run on my own PC (Win 98) DMDX > 3.0.2.5 > >and another PC (Win XP) DMDX 3.0.4.8. Would it be possible to get this > >(3.0.4.8) version of DMDX? > > No. > > >Is there some sort of difference between laptops and PCs that could > >account for > >this? > > Your problem could be anything from different input devices to missing > video codecs. See if TimeDX's Digital Video can play the files, if it can > then there's something in your script like a weird playback region or > something else that is blowing things up. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Help starve a feeding bureaucrat. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 29 07:34:13 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8TEXs5L015505 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:33:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A9FB3FA16 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:33:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F61B49100 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:33:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050929072930.00ba48a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:33:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: videos still freezing In-Reply-To: <1128000088.433bea58efa9d@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050928111111.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050928111111.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:21 PM 9/29/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I figured out my video problem--it's a Windows XP (service pack 1 and 2) >thing. >I managed to get everything running in the end on a Dell laptop with Windows >2000. > >We knew it wasn't a codec problem because the videos were made on the same >machines that I was trying to use before and would play in Media Player >without >problem. > >Is there anyway to fix the XP problem---my department has upgraded all of our >computers with XP and I might struggle to keep a machine with 98 or 2000 on >it. Beyond sending me (not the list) a copy of one of the videos my guess is that you have used some strange encoding option that's tossing XP's support of the legacy Direct Show interfaces that DMDX uses out the door. If you have choices in how you encode the video change some of them (preferably one at a time) and see if you can locate the one that's blowing things up. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ As a rule software systems do not work well until they have been used, and have failed repeatedly, in real applications. - Dave Parnas, Communications of the ACM (33, 6 June 1990 p.636) From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 30 03:15:38 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8UAEP5L021106 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:14:25 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ELHuJ-00034z-V1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:14:23 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1ELHuJ-0002AJ-Ko for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:14:23 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:14:23 +0100 Message-ID: <1128075263.433d0fff8391e@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:14:23 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX mailing list Subject: [DMDX] another video question--long intial latency MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, Now that I have everything up and running, I'd like to hide the fact that the videos have a long initial latency by putting a delay onto the other stimuli (which are .jpg). How would I do that? Or is there a better solution? Here's a snippet of my script at the moment: +7 "++" / / *"bed"/; -8 "++" / / *"spool-lamp"/; +9 "++" / / *"bin"/; -10 "++" / / *"artichoke-lamp"/; -11 "++" / / *"fish-legs"/; -12 "++" / / *"other2_short.avi"/; +13 "++" / / *"cake"/; +14 "++" / / *"sock"/; -15 "++" / / *"penguin-paintbrush"/; -16 "++" / / *"aqua"/; Thanks again, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 30 07:04:41 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8UE3r5L022183 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:03:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9155B2773A for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:03:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E738BB449D8 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:03:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930070149.00ba4828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:03:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: another video question--long intial latency In-Reply-To: <1128075263.433d0fff8391e@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:14 AM 9/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >Now that I have everything up and running, I'd like to hide the fact that the >videos have a long initial latency by putting a delay onto the other stimuli >(which are .jpg). How would I do that? Or is there a better solution? > >Here's a snippet of my script at the moment: > >+7 "++" / / *"bed"/; Well you could take out the 500 ms of blank screen you have before the videos for a start: +7 "++" / *"bed"/; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Salary is no object: strive only to keep body and soul apart. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 30 07:43:41 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8UEhW5L022407 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:43:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862B5B4AE22 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:43:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9879BB4A8EF for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:43:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930073912.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:43:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: video file In-Reply-To: <1128076276.433d13f453b3e@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:31 AM 9/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Johnathan, > >first off thanks for all the time you put in to helping us out with DMDX. This >is great software and the support is great too. > >Here's the video info from the guy who made them for me: > >___ >I recorded the videos using Camtasia Recorder (version 3.0.2) and edited >them with Camtasia Producer (version 3.0.2). The videos were coded with >the TechSmith Screen Capture Codec (version 2.0.1). > >We have experimented with using 15 and 20 frames/second, and neither of >these have worked. I recall, but did not document, using the Windows >Media Video 9 codec. > >If he'd like us to, I could formally test videos created with several >other codec (ie Intel IYUV, Windows Video 1, and Cinepak). > >___ > >I've attached one of the videos for you to have a look at. My guess is that changing the codec stands a good chance of fixing your problem. I get an error opening the file with TimeDX that indicates there's some extraneous information in there so changing the codec is more than likely going to strip out whatever's causing DMDX to choke. When I get the time I'll have a look in the code to see what it is and make DMDX ignore the extraneous information incase anyone else ever makes a video like the ones you're making. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Salary is no object: strive only to keep body and soul apart. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 30 10:04:30 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8UH3s5L023185 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:03:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFCDB067F0 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:03:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1D2B41291 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:03:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930100011.00bcb070@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:03:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video file In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930073912.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <1128076276.433d13f453b3e@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:43 AM 9/30/2005 -0700, you wrote: > My guess is that changing the codec stands a good chance of fixing your > problem. I get an error opening the file with TimeDX that indicates > there's some extraneous information in there so changing the codec is > more than likely going to strip out whatever's causing DMDX to > choke. When I get the time I'll have a look in the code to see what it > is and make DMDX ignore the extraneous information incase anyone else > ever makes a video like the ones you're making. Yeah, well after looking at the code the answer is definitely use another encoding. The video renderer is telling me that the extraneous information is the video buffer I get my data from and it isn't needed -- which is insane. My guess is that the codec you've used wants to stick the data on the screen itself and that ain't happening in DMDX. Use another codec if you want to use XP. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The length of a meeting rises with the square of the number of people present. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 30 10:25:09 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8UHOp5L023340 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:24:51 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ELOcs-0005gl-TK for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:24:50 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1ELOcs-0000Fc-NN for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:24:50 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:24:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1128101090.433d74e2a6448@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:24:50 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: another video question--long intial latency References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930070149.00ba4828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930070149.00ba4828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, the suggestion you made works, tried that earlier, but it slows my experiment down---I'd like to keep this snappy so my participants don't have time to think really, just react. I tried Andy Wood's suggestion of using the parameter using : > 1024,768,768,32,0> > > > 0 %0 "other2_short.avi" / %0 > "other2_short.avi" / %0 "other2_short.avi" / "Loading > video"; When I try to run it, all that happens is my desktop is rearranged so that it's 75% of normal size and in the left hand corner and DMDX isn't on the task list. Andy suggested running a syntax check on it before running and I get an error message from Windows saying the program has performed an illegal operation... Any ideas as to what's going on there? Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting "j.c.f." : > At 11:14 AM 9/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Now that I have everything up and running, I'd like to hide the fact that > the > >videos have a long initial latency by putting a delay onto the other > stimuli > >(which are .jpg). How would I do that? Or is there a better solution? > > > >Here's a snippet of my script at the moment: > > > >+7 "++" / / *"bed"/; > > > Well you could take out the 500 ms of blank screen you have before the > videos for a start: > > +7 "++" / *"bed"/; > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Salary is no object: strive only to keep body and soul apart. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 30 13:23:05 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j8UJx75L024241 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:59:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED40B49989 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:59:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A30B4A75A for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:59:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930125400.00ba4c00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:59:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: another video question--long intial latency In-Reply-To: <1128101090.433d74e2a6448@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930070149.00ba4828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050930070149.00ba4828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:24 PM 9/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >the suggestion you made works, tried that earlier, but it slows my experiment >down---I'd like to keep this snappy so my participants don't have time to >think >really, just react. You won't be able to get rid of that lag, it's part of the codec. Use another codec. Use uncompressed AVI files if you want the fastest video (but of course the biggest files). >I tried Andy Wood's suggestion of using the parameter using : wouldn't trim much off the initial lag but it will save something. > > > 1024,768,768,32,0> > > > > > > 0 %0 "other2_short.avi" / %0 > > "other2_short.avi" / %0 "other2_short.avi" / "Loading > > video"; > >When I try to run it, all that happens is my desktop is rearranged so that >it's >75% of normal size and in the left hand corner and DMDX isn't on the task >list. > >Andy suggested running a syntax check on it before running and I get an error >message from Windows saying the program has performed an illegal operation... > >Any ideas as to what's going on there?\ It's an evil codec and it's crashing the machine. If you open the video in the media player and move the window around you can see that the last image stays in the same place, it doesn't move with the media player window. Use another codec. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The length of a meeting rises with the square of the number of people present. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 1 04:11:32 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j91B9E5L028672 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 04:09:15 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ELfEr-0007NI-G2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:09:09 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1ELfEr-0006mG-79 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:09:09 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:09:09 +0100 Message-ID: <1128164949.433e6e552bc3f@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:09:09 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: another video question--long initial latency References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930070149.00ba4828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050930070149.00ba4828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050930125400.00ba4c00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930125400.00ba4c00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, initial lag problem solved!!! Johnathan's suggestion of changing the codec worked--now using Microsoft Video 1 as opposed to Techsmith. We also changed the color from 16bit 256 colors. So now we have no lag and didn't even need to use the parameter. Thanks very much to Andy and Johnathan for all their help! Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting "Jonathan C. Forster" : > At 06:24 PM 9/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi Jonathan, > > > >the suggestion you made works, tried that earlier, but it slows my > experiment > >down---I'd like to keep this snappy so my participants don't have time to > >think > >really, just react. > > You won't be able to get rid of that lag, it's part of the codec. Use > another codec. Use uncompressed AVI files if you want the fastest video > (but of course the biggest files). > > >I tried Andy Wood's suggestion of using the parameter using : > > wouldn't trim much off the initial lag but it will save > something. > > > > > > 1024,768,768,32,0> > > > > > > > > > 0 %0 "other2_short.avi" / %0 > > > "other2_short.avi" / %0 "other2_short.avi" / "Loading > > > video"; > > > >When I try to run it, all that happens is my desktop is rearranged so that > >it's > >75% of normal size and in the left hand corner and DMDX isn't on the task > >list. > > > >Andy suggested running a syntax check on it before running and I get an > error > >message from Windows saying the program has performed an illegal > operation... > > > >Any ideas as to what's going on there?\ > > It's an evil codec and it's crashing the machine. If you open the video > in the media player and move the window around you can see that the last > image stays in the same place, it doesn't move with the media player > window. Use another codec. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > The length of a meeting rises with the square of the number of > people present. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 1 05:24:57 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j91COf5L029070 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 05:24:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8AFB48BBC for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 05:24:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-4.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.4]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62444B493F4 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 05:24:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051001052313.00ba48d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 05:23:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: another video question--long initial latency In-Reply-To: <1128164949.433e6e552bc3f@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050930125400.00ba4c00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050930070149.00ba4828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050930070149.00ba4828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050930125400.00ba4c00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:09 PM 10/1/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >initial lag problem solved!!! > >Johnathan's suggestion of changing the codec worked--now using Microsoft >Video 1 >as opposed to Techsmith. > >We also changed the color from 16bit 256 colors. > > >So now we have no lag and didn't even need to use the parameter. And I'll bet it works under XP too. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ HP had a unique policy of allowing its engineers to take parts from stock as long as they built something. "They figured that with every design, they were getting a better engineer. It's a policy I urge all companies to adopt." - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, "Will Wozniak's class give Apple to teacher?" EE Times, June 6, 1988, pg 45 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 4 10:56:56 2005 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j94Hsh5L018951 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:54:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 10105 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 17:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MADSQUIRREL) (ben.gallagher@86.132.202.29 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 17:54:37 -0000 From: "Ben Gallagher" To: Subject: [DMDX] Multiple Clockons Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:54:24 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c5c90c$ab2f1ff0$0300a8c0@MADSQUIRREL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hey, Quick question. Is there a way of getting multiple clockons for one item? I am writing a program that requires the participant to press multiple keys for each item. At the moment I use the variablegrouping command, and then multiple items each starting with a clockon symbol. However, there is a delay between each item, which means I don't get the response times that I would normally achieve if they were free to press the keys when they liked. Is there any way I can get around this. Below is part of the code I have been writing. The bmp pictures need to stay because the program is for children, so they need to have something nice to look at (in this case it is a duck called 'Isaac'). $ 0 "scene1"; 0 "scene2"; 0 "scene3"; 0 "scene4";$ +101 "main" / "2" / "4" / "8" / "5" / * "go", "1"; +102 * "go", "2"; +103 * "go", "3"; +104 * "go", "4"; 105 "thank1" /!; +201 "main" / "3" / "5" / "2" / "7" / * "go", "1"; +202 * "go", "2"; +203 * "go", "3"; +204 * "go", "4"; 205 "thank2"; Thanks Ben From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 4 12:58:58 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j94JwM5L019873 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:58:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE755B4D811 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:58:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.Psych.Arizona.EDU [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3E3B45EDA for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:58:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051004111623.00ba4c60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:58:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Multiple Clockons In-Reply-To: <000001c5c90c$ab2f1ff0$0300a8c0@MADSQUIRREL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:54 PM 10/4/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hey, > >Quick question. Is there a way of getting multiple clockons for one item? Yes, use the zillion responses. > I >am writing a program that requires the participant to press multiple keys >for each item. At the moment I use the variablegrouping command, and then >multiple items each starting with a clockon symbol. However, there is a >delay between each item, which means I don't get the response times that I >would normally achieve if they were free to press the keys when they liked. Try . >Is there any way I can get around this. Below is part of the code I have >been writing. The bmp pictures need to stay because the program is for >children, so they need to have something nice to look at (in this case it is >a duck called 'Isaac'). You can use instead of , however will take as many responses as are made before the timeout. My bet is is what you want. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The length of a meeting rises with the square of the number of people present. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 5 05:55:24 2005 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j95Csa5L024643 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 05:54:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 9995 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 12:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MADSQUIRREL) (ben.gallagher@86.132.202.29 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 12:54:25 -0000 From: "Ben Gallagher" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Multiple Clockons Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:54:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c5c9ab$e61fee10$0300a8c0@MADSQUIRREL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Jonathan that really helped. I just have one more question (hopefully). Is there a way I can see what response the participant gave to each item on the output file? It is too difficult for me to make a note on whether they gave a correct response while they are doing the experiment, so it would be nice if I could see what response they made later. There are 8 possible responses to each item: 'a' 's' 'd' 'f' 'h' 'j' 'k' and 'l'. I presume it is something to do with zil - but when I tried it all I got was the item number and their reaction time. Thanks Ben From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 5 06:53:08 2005 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j95Dqw5L024943 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 06:52:59 -0700 Received: from HOMEOFFICE ([68.239.40.227]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INW0026N3W97PGD@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:52:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:53:53 -0400 From: "Matthew Finkbeiner" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Multiple Clockons To: Message-id: <000801c5c9b4$3bfcd9d0$6401a8c0@HOMEOFFICE> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <000001c5c9ab$e61fee10$0300a8c0@MADSQUIRREL> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Ben, the zil output file should be recording the button that was pressed. I recently ran an experiment with with 7 different possible responses (mapped with ) and the output looks like this: Item 40, 3670.82 3670.82,+6 don't know why the RT gets recorded twice, but the "+6" is the button that the subject pressed. hopefully that helps Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Gallagher" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:54 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Multiple Clockons > Thanks Jonathan that really helped. I just have one more question > (hopefully). > > Is there a way I can see what response the participant gave to each item > on > the output file? It is too difficult for me to make a note on whether they > gave a correct response while they are doing the experiment, so it would > be > nice if I could see what response they made later. > > There are 8 possible responses to each item: 'a' 's' 'd' 'f' 'h' 'j' 'k' > and > 'l'. I presume it is something to do with zil - but when I tried it all I > got was the item number and their reaction time. > > Thanks > > Ben > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 5 08:10:49 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j95FAT5L025324 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:10:29 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ENAuY-0004fm-HC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:10:26 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1ENAuY-0000a7-DS for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:10:26 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:10:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1128525026.4343ece253ef7@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:10:26 +0100 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX mailing list Subject: [DMDX] videos and XP and codecs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, I was having some problems with video files (.avi) earlier regarding XP and long initial latencies before the videos would play. These problems were solved by Johnathan's suggestion of changing the codec--now using Microsoft Video 1 as opposed to Techsmith. We also changed the color from 16bit 256 colors. Hope someone else finds this useful. Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 5 19:48:56 2005 Received: from smtp-9.smtp.ucla.edu (smtp-9.smtp.ucla.edu [169.232.48.137]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j962m95L029845 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:48:09 -0700 Received: from mail.ucla.edu (mail.ucla.edu [169.232.47.141]) by smtp-9.smtp.ucla.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j962m8ah027658 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:48:08 -0700 Received: from ian ([164.67.36.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ucla.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j962m8WF031974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:48:08 -0700 From: "Ian Mathis" To: Subject: [DMDX] output latency Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:42:00 -0700 Message-ID: <00b401c5ca1f$86e0bf00$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1128525026.4343ece253ef7@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi list. I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame. I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX. The measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting don't really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on. Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output: 2 o8 "6510" / o96 "wnprobe"/; As far as I can tell, the output of "96" is sent at the onset of the wav "wnprobe." Is this correct? Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe is played, but that doesn't make sense to me. Thanks for your help. Ian Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A. Graduate Student, Clinical Psychology Dept. of Psychology, UCLA From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 5 20:40:18 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j963eB5L030102 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:40:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F63B49037 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55235B46081 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:40:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051005202646.00ba48e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:40:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: output latency In-Reply-To: <00b401c5ca1f$86e0bf00$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> References: <1128525026.4343ece253ef7@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:42 PM 10/5/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi list. >I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame. > >I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a >corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX. The >measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting don't >really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on. > >Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output: >2 o8 "6510" / o96 "wnprobe"/; > >As far as I can tell, the output of "96" is sent at the onset of the wav >"wnprobe." Is this correct? No, sound frames are completely different beasts as they have no visual component and durations in DMDX are durations of visual components. >Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe is >played, but that doesn't make sense to me. No doubt it doesn't make any sense but it's all documented in the sound section of the help. There were two interesting cases when I added sound to DMDX and unfortunately I chose the technically correct and logical one to be the default which is of course not what anyone wants to do so you and almost everyone else need in the frame with the sound in it. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ HP had a unique policy of allowing its engineers to take parts from stock as long as they built something. "They figured that with every design, they were getting a better engineer. It's a policy I urge all companies to adopt." - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, "Will Wozniak's class give Apple to teacher?" EE Times, June 6, 1988, pg 45 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 6 06:36:10 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j96DYr5L000535 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:34:54 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so431123nzf for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.100.4 with SMTP id x4mr60258nzb; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.18.30 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a0510060634i1c04e860k4f217c1083659c97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:34:48 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: output latency In-Reply-To: <00b401c5ca1f$86e0bf00$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8684_1288202.1128605688557" References: <1128525026.4343ece253ef7@webmail.shef.ac.uk> <00b401c5ca1f$86e0bf00$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_Part_8684_1288202.1128605688557 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ian, I am assuming that you are measuring startle. The svp start that Jonathan indicated will synch up the request to play the sound with the output. However, you should also know that in our testing, sound cards varied quite dramatically in how long the delay was between that request and the actual start of the sound (in your case the noise probe). Perhaps more troubling, for some cards, that delay was not only long, but quite variable trial to trial ( e.g., range from 4 - 20 ms for one card), which would really screw up your ability to measure startle latency if you care about it (and your ability to average startle waveforms if you reduce startle that way). You can test this most easily for you card by sending the output of your sound card to an analog channel on your physio amplifiers and verifying its onset relative to the trigger code you are outputting. Hope that helps. J On 10/5/05, Ian Mathis wrote: > > Hi list. > I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame. > > I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a > corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX. > The > measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting don't > really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on. > > Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output: > 2 o8 "6510" / o96 "wnprobe"/; > > As far as I can tell, the output of "96" is sent at the onset of the wav > "wnprobe." Is this correct? > > Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe i= s > played, but that doesn't make sense to me. > > Thanks for your help. > > Ian > > > > Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A. > Graduate Student, Clinical Psychology > Dept. of Psychology, UCLA > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ------=_Part_8684_1288202.1128605688557 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Ian,
I am assuming that you are measuring startle.  The svp start that= Jonathan indicated will synch up the request to play the sound with the ou= tput.  However, you should also  know that in our testing, sound = cards varied quite dramatically in how long the delay was between that requ= est and the actual start of the sound (in your case the noise probe). = Perhaps more troubling, for some cards, that delay was not only long, but = quite variable trial to trial (=20 e.g., range from 4 - 20 ms for one card), which would really screw up your = ability to measure startle latency if you care about it (and your ability t= o average startle waveforms if you reduce startle that way).  You can = test this most easily for you card by sending the output of your sound card= to an analog channel on your physio amplifiers and verifying its onset rel= ative to the trigger code you are outputting.  Hope that helps.=20
 
J

 
On 10/5/05, = Ian Mathis <mathis@ucla.edu&g= t; wrote:=20
Hi list.
I have a question ab= out the timing of outputs in a frame.

I am presenting white noise pr= obes of 50 ms duration and sending a=20
corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX.=   The
measured latencies of the physiological responses we are= getting don't
really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's g= oing on.=20

Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output:
2&n= bsp;        <ms% 5000> o8 <jpg&= gt; "6510" / <ms% 1000> o96 <wav 2> "wnprobe&quo= t;/;

As far as I can tell, the output of "96" is sent at t= he onset of the wav=20
"wnprobe."  Is this correct?

Our data seems = to imply that the output might be coming after the probe is
played, but = that doesn't make sense to me.

Thanks for your help.

Ian
<= br>

Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A.
Graduate Student, Clinical PsychologyDept. of Psychology, UCLA

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--
John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Psycholog= y=20
University of Wisconsin
1202 West Johnson St.
Madison, WI 53706=

Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu =
Website: http://dionysus.ps= ych.wisc.edu=20
Office: 608-262-0387
Lab: 608-262-5621
Cell: 608-217-6221 <= br>Fax: 608-262-4029=20 ------=_Part_8684_1288202.1128605688557-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 6 15:13:30 2005 Received: from smtp-9.smtp.ucla.edu (smtp-9.smtp.ucla.edu [169.232.48.137]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j96MBf5L003607 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:11:41 -0700 Received: from mail.ucla.edu (mail.ucla.edu [169.232.46.141]) by smtp-9.smtp.ucla.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96MBeBS018123 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:11:40 -0700 Received: from ian ([164.67.36.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ucla.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96MBcXE001571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:11:38 -0700 From: "Ian Mathis" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: output latency Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c5cac2$06605590$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5CA87.5A017D90" In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a0510060634i1c04e860k4f217c1083659c97@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5CA87.5A017D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the help, guys. I've tested the latency of the sound card before, and it has been fairly small and stable. I will check it again today to make sure. I've altered the script to include the keyword: 1 o1 "1050" / "wnprobe" o96 /; As I understand the documentation, this current configuration would mean that "wnprobe" will start playing when 96 is output, as is desired. Is this a correct reading? Ian _____ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of John Curtin Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:35 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: output latency Ian, I am assuming that you are measuring startle. The svp start that Jonathan indicated will synch up the request to play the sound with the output. However, you should also know that in our testing, sound cards varied quite dramatically in how long the delay was between that request and the actual start of the sound (in your case the noise probe). Perhaps more troubling, for some cards, that delay was not only long, but quite variable trial to trial ( e.g., range from 4 - 20 ms for one card), which would really screw up your ability to measure startle latency if you care about it (and your ability to average startle waveforms if you reduce startle that way). You can test this most easily for you card by sending the output of your sound card to an analog channel on your physio amplifiers and verifying its onset relative to the trigger code you are outputting. Hope that helps. J On 10/5/05, Ian Mathis wrote: Hi list. I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame. I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX. The measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting don't really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on. Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output: 2 o8 "6510" / o96 "wnprobe"/; As far as I can tell, the output of "96" is sent at the onset of the wav "wnprobe." Is this correct? Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe is played, but that doesn't make sense to me. Thanks for your help. Ian Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A. Graduate Student, Clinical Psychology Dept. of Psychology, UCLA ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5CA87.5A017D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the help, guys.  = I’ve tested the latency of the sound card before, and it has been fairly = small and stable.  I will check it again today to make = sure.

 

I’ve altered the script to = include the <svp start> keyword:

 

1    &nb= sp;    <ms% 3000> o1 <jpg> "1050" / <ms% 3000> = <wav 2> "wnprobe" <svp start> o96 = /;

 

As I understand the documentation, = this current configuration would mean that “wnprobe” will start = playing when 96 is output, as is desired.  Is this a correct = reading?

 

Ian

 

From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu = [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of John Curtin
Sent: Thursday, October = 06, 2005 6:35 AM
To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: [DMDX] Re: = output latency

 

Ian,

I am assuming that you are measuring startle.  The svp = start that Jonathan indicated will synch up the request to play the sound with the output.  However, you should also  know that in our testing, = sound cards varied quite dramatically in how long the delay was between that = request and the actual start of the sound (in your case the noise probe).  = Perhaps more troubling, for some cards, that delay was not only long, but quite variable trial to trial ( e.g., range from 4 - 20 ms for one card), = which would really screw up your ability to measure startle latency if you care = about it (and your ability to average startle waveforms if you reduce startle = that way).  You can test this most easily for you card by sending the = output of your sound card to an analog channel on your physio amplifiers and = verifying its onset relative to the trigger code you are outputting.  Hope = that helps.

 

J

 

On 10/5/05, Ian Mathis <mathis@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hi list.
I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame.

I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a
corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX.  The
measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting = don't
really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on.

Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output:
2         <ms% 5000> o8 <jpg> "6510" / <ms% 1000> o96 <wav 2> "wnprobe"/;

As far as I can tell, the output of "96" is sent at the onset = of the wav
"wnprobe."  Is this correct?

Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe = is
played, but that doesn't make sense to me.

Thanks for your help.

Ian



Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A.
Graduate Student, Clinical Psychology
Dept. of Psychology, UCLA

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--
John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Psychology
University of Wisconsin
1202 West Johnson = St.
Madison, = WI 53706

Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu
Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu
Office: 608-262-0387
Lab: 608-262-5621
Cell: 608-217-6221
Fax: 608-262-4029

------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5CA87.5A017D90-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 6 17:27:21 2005 Received: from smtp-2.smtp.ucla.edu (smtp-2.smtp.ucla.edu [169.232.47.136]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j970QT5L004380 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:26:29 -0700 Received: from mail.ucla.edu (mail.ucla.edu [169.232.48.141]) by smtp-2.smtp.ucla.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j970QSe8030067 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:26:28 -0700 Received: from ian ([164.67.36.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ucla.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j970QRZc006808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:26:27 -0700 From: "Ian Mathis" To: Subject: [DMDX] Salvaging data Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:20:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c5cad4$dcac3d00$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5CA9A.304D6500" In-Reply-To: <002601c5cac2$06605590$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5CA9A.304D6500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One last question. Is there any way to determine when the output was sent relative to the sound onset in the data collected without using the keyword? Was the output being sent at the end of the wav file or at some consistent point during the wav file. Ian _____ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Ian Mathis Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:05 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: output latency Thanks for the help, guys. I've tested the latency of the sound card before, and it has been fairly small and stable. I will check it again today to make sure. I've altered the script to include the keyword: 1 o1 "1050" / "wnprobe" o96 /; As I understand the documentation, this current configuration would mean that "wnprobe" will start playing when 96 is output, as is desired. Is this a correct reading? Ian _____ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of John Curtin Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:35 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: output latency Ian, I am assuming that you are measuring startle. The svp start that Jonathan indicated will synch up the request to play the sound with the output. However, you should also know that in our testing, sound cards varied quite dramatically in how long the delay was between that request and the actual start of the sound (in your case the noise probe). Perhaps more troubling, for some cards, that delay was not only long, but quite variable trial to trial ( e.g., range from 4 - 20 ms for one card), which would really screw up your ability to measure startle latency if you care about it (and your ability to average startle waveforms if you reduce startle that way). You can test this most easily for you card by sending the output of your sound card to an analog channel on your physio amplifiers and verifying its onset relative to the trigger code you are outputting. Hope that helps. J On 10/5/05, Ian Mathis wrote: Hi list. I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame. I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX. The measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting don't really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on. Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output: 2 o8 "6510" / o96 "wnprobe"/; As far as I can tell, the output of "96" is sent at the onset of the wav "wnprobe." Is this correct? Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe is played, but that doesn't make sense to me. Thanks for your help. Ian Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A. Graduate Student, Clinical Psychology Dept. of Psychology, UCLA ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5CA9A.304D6500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One last question.  Is there = any way to determine when the output was sent relative to the sound onset in the = data collected without using the <svp start> keyword?  Was the = output being sent at the end of the wav file or at some consistent point during = the wav file.

 

Ian

 

 

 

 

 

From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu = [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Ian Mathis
Sent: Thursday, October = 06, 2005 3:05 PM
To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: = output latency

 

Thanks for the help, guys.  I’ve tested the latency of the sound card before, and it has been = fairly small and stable.  I will check it again today to make = sure.

 

I’ve altered the script to = include the <svp start> keyword:

 

1    &nb= sp;    <ms% 3000> o1 <jpg> "1050" / <ms% 3000> = <wav 2> "wnprobe" <svp start> o96 = /;

 

As I understand the documentation, = this current configuration would mean that “wnprobe” will start = playing when 96 is output, as is desired.  Is this a correct = reading?

 

Ian

 

From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu = [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of John Curtin
Sent: Thursday, October = 06, 2005 6:35 AM
To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: [DMDX] Re: = output latency

 

Ian,

I am assuming that you are measuring startle.  The svp = start that Jonathan indicated will synch up the request to play the sound with the output.  However, you should also  know that in our testing, = sound cards varied quite dramatically in how long the delay was between that = request and the actual start of the sound (in your case the noise probe).  = Perhaps more troubling, for some cards, that delay was not only long, but quite variable trial to trial ( e.g., range from 4 - 20 ms for one card), = which would really screw up your ability to measure startle latency if you care = about it (and your ability to average startle waveforms if you reduce startle = that way).  You can test this most easily for you card by sending the = output of your sound card to an analog channel on your physio amplifiers and = verifying its onset relative to the trigger code you are outputting.  Hope = that helps.

 

J

 

On 10/5/05, Ian Mathis <mathis@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hi list.
I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame.

I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a
corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX.  The
measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting = don't
really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on.

Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output:
2         <ms% 5000> o8 <jpg> "6510" / <ms% 1000> o96 <wav 2> "wnprobe"/;

As far as I can tell, the output of "96" is sent at the onset = of the wav
"wnprobe."  Is this correct?

Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe = is
played, but that doesn't make sense to me.

Thanks for your help.

Ian



Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A.
Graduate Student, Clinical Psychology
Dept. of Psychology, UCLA

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--
John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Psychology
University of Wisconsin
1202 West Johnson = St.
Madison, = WI 53706

Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu
Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu
Office: 608-262-0387
Lab: 608-262-5621
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5CA9A.304D6500-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 6 17:49:23 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j970md5L004538 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:48:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D734DB4BDF8 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:48:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B06B49B65 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:48:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051006174803.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:48:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: output latency In-Reply-To: <002601c5cac2$06605590$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> References: <9ae8f64a0510060634i1c04e860k4f217c1083659c97@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:05 PM 10/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for the help, guys. I ve tested the latency of the sound card >before, and it has been fairly small and stable. I will check it again >today to make sure. > >I ve altered the script to include the keyword: > >1 o1 "1050" / "wnprobe" start> o96 /; > >As I understand the documentation, this current configuration would mean >that wnprobe will start playing when 96 is output, as is desired. Is this >a correct reading? Yep. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ HP had a unique policy of allowing its engineers to take parts from stock as long as they built something. "They figured that with every design, they were getting a better engineer. It's a policy I urge all companies to adopt." - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, "Will Wozniak's class give Apple to teacher?" EE Times, June 6, 1988, pg 45 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 6 17:50:31 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j970nr5L004558 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:49:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282FAB4D254 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:49:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1D2B40866 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:49:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051006174851.00bce2f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:49:47 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Salvaging data In-Reply-To: <000301c5cad4$dcac3d00$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> References: <002601c5cac2$06605590$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:20 PM 10/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >One last question. Is there any way to determine when the output was sent >relative to the sound onset in the data collected without using the start> keyword? Was the output being sent at the end of the wav file or >at some consistent point during the wav file. It was sent as the wave file ended. Exactly. Well, as exactly as your sound card and PIO allow... /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ HP had a unique policy of allowing its engineers to take parts from stock as long as they built something. "They figured that with every design, they were getting a better engineer. It's a policy I urge all companies to adopt." - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, "Will Wozniak's class give Apple to teacher?" EE Times, June 6, 1988, pg 45 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 6 18:55:27 2005 Received: from smtp-2.smtp.ucla.edu (smtp-2.smtp.ucla.edu [169.232.47.136]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j971ss5L004948 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:54:54 -0700 Received: from mail.ucla.edu (mail.ucla.edu [169.232.47.141]) by smtp-2.smtp.ucla.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j971ssHM023971 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:54:54 -0700 Received: from ian ([164.67.36.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ucla.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j971srnC021118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:54:53 -0700 From: "Ian Mathis" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Salvaging data Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:48:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c5cae1$31fe2a00$602443a4@PSYCHOPHYS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051006174851.00bce2f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for all the help! Ian -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:50 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Salvaging data At 05:20 PM 10/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >One last question. Is there any way to determine when the output was sent >relative to the sound onset in the data collected without using the start> keyword? Was the output being sent at the end of the wav file or >at some consistent point during the wav file. It was sent as the wave file ended. Exactly. Well, as exactly as your sound card and PIO allow... /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ HP had a unique policy of allowing its engineers to take parts from stock as long as they built something. "They figured that with every design, they were getting a better engineer. It's a policy I urge all companies to adopt." - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, "Will Wozniak's class give Apple to teacher?" EE Times, June 6, 1988, pg 45 ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 9 09:09:40 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j99G8p5L026902 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:08:53 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (pcp02797950pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net[68.58.206.167]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <200510091608460140091ec7e>; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:08:46 +0000 Message-ID: <4349408D.3070700@u.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 12:08:45 -0400 From: Nicole M Whitworth MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] DMDX question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, I have a DMDX script of a gambling task in which I'd like to keep track of how much money the subject is winning and losing on a trial by trial basis. The money will be going up and down by only a few cents at a time, so I need an idea that can handle decimals (which seems to leave out the Counter var, as far as I can tell). Some other possible relevent information is that the trials are hardwired to be wins or losses, so I know upfront on each trial whether the earnings will be incremented or decremented. However, I intend to periodically show each subject how much they have earned so far, which may be different for each subject because I will be scrambling the file. If anyone has done something like this in the past, or can point me to an appropriate keyword/variable to use, I'd greatly appreciate your help and advice! Thanks, Nicole From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 9 12:12:17 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j99JBp5L027757 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:11:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEE6B4A8A5 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:11:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FC6B474A8 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:11:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051009114527.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 12:11:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX question In-Reply-To: <4349408D.3070700@u.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:08 PM 10/9/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I have a DMDX script of a gambling task in which I'd like to keep track of >how much money the subject is winning and losing on a trial by trial >basis. The money will be going up and down by only a few cents at a time, >so I need an idea that can handle decimals (which seems to leave out the >Counter var, as far as I can tell). There isn't anything else you'll be using so the counters are it. Either use a counter that keeps track of cents and has some cunning display or use whole dollars. >Some other possible relevent information is that the trials are hardwired >to be wins or losses, so I know upfront on each trial whether the earnings >will be incremented or decremented. However, I intend to periodically >show each subject how much they have earned so far, which may be different >for each subject because I will be scrambling the file. >If anyone has done something like this in the past, or can point me to an >appropriate keyword/variable to use, I'd greatly appreciate your help and >advice! I've built the gambling task at least once for someone in the Psychology department, can't remember who though. It was with whole dollars. The trick with displaying counters is that they are just appended to the frame's current text, displaying two values is going to need . Say C1 is the money in cents displaying it might be done with something like: 0 "Total $" , "." ; Of course that's not the whole deal either, the cents is going to need a leading zero if it's less than 10 so you'll need a branch: ~1 ; 2 "Total $" , "." ; 3 "Total $" , ".0" ; ~4; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 11 17:30:15 2005 Received: from web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.153]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j9C0TR5L011533 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:29:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 29440 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2005 00:29:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20051012002922.29437.qmail@web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [157.92.4.2] by web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:29:22 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:29:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Yorio Subject: [DMDX] How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs? To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051005202646.00ba48e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1101209700-1129076962=:28514" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1101209700-1129076962=:28514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear J.C. Forster I´ ve a PCI-DIO24 installed on a computer (Windows XP) running DMDX. I wonder how to make a program in DMDX: A- Questions about output signals 1) Is it necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter line for outputs ? Is Keyword the correct form? 2) I read that I may use the keyword to Output to PIO12 port. This must be written in the "Experimental items" each time that an output signal is sent? 3) Which number indicates "N" in the keyword? B- Questions about input signals 1) Again, I suppose that it is necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter line. It is not thus? Is Keyword the correct form? 2) I need to use a two-button response box that is connected to the Pio card. I think it mappes the responses to Bit1 and Bit2, but when I did the PIO Test in TimeDX, Bit8 and Bit9 changed from high to low. Can I use the inputs in that manner? Thank´s you in advance --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-1101209700-1129076962=:28514 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Dear J.C. Forster

I´ ve a PCI-DIO24 installed on a computer (Windows XP) running DMDX.

I wonder how to make a program in DMDX:

A- Questions about output signals

1) Is it necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter line for outputs ? Is Keyword <id "PIO12"> the correct form?

2) I read that I may use the <Output N> keyword to Output to PIO12 port. This must be written in the "Experimental items" each time that an output signal is sent?

3) Which number indicates "N" in the <Output N> keyword?

 

B- Questions about input signals

1) Again, I suppose that it is necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter line. It is not thus? Is Keyword <id "PIO12"> the correct form?

2) I need to use a two-button response box that is connected to the Pio card.

I think it mappes the responses to Bit1 and Bit2, but when I did the PIO Test in TimeDX, Bit8 and Bit9 changed from high to low. Can I use the inputs in that manner?

 

Thank´s you in advance


Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-1101209700-1129076962=:28514-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 11 18:29:15 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9C1Fr5L011812 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:15:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D39BB63F49 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:15:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC88B63F42 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:15:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051011180724.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:15:47 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs? In-Reply-To: <20051012002922.29437.qmail@web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051005202646.00ba48e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:29 PM 10/11/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear J.C. Forster > >I´ ve a PCI-DIO24 installed on a computer (Windows XP) running DMDX. > >I wonder how to make a program in DMDX: > >A- Questions about output signals > >1) Is it necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter >line for outputs ? Is Keyword the correct form? Yes. >2) I read that I may use the keyword to Output to PIO12 port. >This must be written in the "Experimental items" each time that an output >signal is sent? Yes. >3) Which number indicates "N" in the keyword? Read the help, it's available from the help button in DMDX's main dialog or online: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhoutputkeyword.htm > > >B- Questions about input signals > >1) Again, I suppose that it is necessary a keyword definition to be >written in the parameter line. It is not thus? Is Keyword the >correct form? Once for both output and input is sufficient. >2) I need to use a two-button response box that is connected to the Pio card. > >I think it mappes the responses to Bit1 and Bit2, but when I did the PIO >Test in TimeDX, Bit8 and Bit9 changed from high to low. Can I use the >inputs in that manner? Yes, you'll want to unmap the current input mappings with and map new ones with and . For instance . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 12 06:22:24 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9CDLK5L014993 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:21:20 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EPgXo-0000SU-0l for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:21:20 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1EPgXn-0006zt-NM for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:21:19 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:21:19 +0100 Message-ID: <1129123279.434d0dcfa50d6@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:21:19 +0100 From: V Nguyen To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Clear a picture when a key pressed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Sir, I’m building an experiment with 3 pictures displayed and a text describes one of these pictures. Participants have to response with 3 pressed key; with a key pressed, the corresponding picture will disappear (i.e., press 1, the first picture will disappear; press 2, the second will disappear; and so on). I can use and keywords to store responses to a .zil file but don’t know how to: 1- Realising a key pressed in each item. 2- Clearing a picture when two others still on screen. If know, please tell me. Thank you. VB. Nguyen From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 12 06:48:45 2005 Received: from web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.222]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j9CDmd5L015161 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:48:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 24864 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2005 13:48:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20051012134834.24862.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [157.92.4.151] by web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:48:34 ART Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:48:34 -0300 (ART) From: Lisandro Kaunitz Subject: [DMDX] Images' Size and resolution To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1093784300-1129124914=:24571" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-1093784300-1129124914=:24571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi there, We are developing a subliminal priming experiment using DMDX. For this experiment we are using pictures from the snoodgrass set of pictures (bmp images). When we run the experiment we see that the DMDX changes the original size of these pictures making them bigger. We have tried modifying the pictures’ size in the RTF using the command words bm.0.9, bm0.8, bm0.7, and so on. Unfortunately it happens to be that this allows us to change the size of the images but in doing so the programm also changes their resolution, making them hardly recognizable. Could you please tell us one posible way to resolve this problem so that we can display the images in their original size and their original resolution?? Thank you very much Lisandro Kaunitz and Federico Burdman. --------------------------------- 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo Abrí tu cuenta aquí --0-1093784300-1129124914=:24571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi there,

 

We are developing a subliminal priming experiment using DMDX. For this experiment we are using pictures from the snoodgrass set of pictures (bmp images). When we run the experiment we see that the DMDX changes the original size of these pictures making them bigger.

 

We have tried modifying the pictures’ size in the RTF using the command words bm.0.9, bm0.8, bm0.7, and so on.  Unfortunately it happens to be that this allows us to change the size of the images but in doing so the programm also changes their resolution, making them hardly recognizable.

 

Could you please tell us one posible way to resolve this problem so that we can display the images in their original size and their original resolution??              

 

Thank you very much

 

Lisandro Kaunitz and Federico Burdman.

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Abrí tu cuenta aquí --0-1093784300-1129124914=:24571-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 12 08:44:19 2005 Received: from web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.145]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j9CFi95L015560 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:44:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 12118 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2005 15:44:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20051012154404.12116.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.114.240.64] by web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:44:04 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Yorio Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs? To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051011180724.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-174544442-1129131844=:12058" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-174544442-1129131844=:12058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DEAR J.C. FORSTER THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS I' VE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT I/O INSTRUCTIONS. WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: I UNDERSTOOD THAT WITH DE "+" SIGN A RESPONSE KEY IS HABILITATED, AND WHEN THE "*" SIGN CONTINUED BY A FRAME IS RESPONDEN THROUGH DE KEYBOARD, THE RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TIME IS READ BY DMDX. WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: WHICH INSTRUCTION OR KEYBOARD IS NECESSARY IN THE ITEM LINE FOR THE SAME? WITH REGARDS, DR. ALBERTO YORIO "j.c.f." wrote:At 05:29 PM 10/11/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear J.C. Forster > >I´ ve a PCI-DIO24 installed on a computer (Windows XP) running DMDX. > >I wonder how to make a program in DMDX: > >A- Questions about output signals > >1) Is it necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter >line for outputs ? Is Keyword the correct form? Yes. >2) I read that I may use the keyword to Output to PIO12 port. >This must be written in the "Experimental items" each time that an output >signal is sent? Yes. >3) Which number indicates "N" in the keyword? Read the help, it's available from the help button in DMDX's main dialog or online: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhoutputkeyword.htm > > >B- Questions about input signals > >1) Again, I suppose that it is necessary a keyword definition to be >written in the parameter line. It is not thus? Is Keyword the >correct form? Once for both output and input is sufficient. >2) I need to use a two-button response box that is connected to the Pio card. > >I think it mappes the responses to Bit1 and Bit2, but when I did the PIO >Test in TimeDX, Bit8 and Bit9 changed from high to low. Can I use the >inputs in that manner? Yes, you'll want to unmap the current input mappings with and map new ones with and . For instance . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-174544442-1129131844=:12058 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
DEAR J.C. FORSTER
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS
 
I' VE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT I/O INSTRUCTIONS.
 
WHEN <ID KEYBOARD> IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE:
I UNDERSTOOD THAT WITH DE "+" SIGN A RESPONSE KEY IS HABILITATED, AND WHEN THE "*" SIGN CONTINUED BY A FRAME IS RESPONDEN THROUGH DE KEYBOARD, THE RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TIME IS READ BY DMDX.
 
WHEN <ID "PIO12"> IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE:
WHICH INSTRUCTION OR KEYBOARD IS NECESSARY IN THE ITEM LINE FOR THE SAME?
 
WITH REGARDS,
DR. ALBERTO YORIO


"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 05:29 PM 10/11/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>Dear J.C. Forster
>
>I´ ve a PCI-DIO24 installed on a computer (Windows XP) running DMDX.
>
>I wonder how to make a program in DMDX:
>
>A- Questions about output signals
>
>1) Is it necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter
>line for outputs ? Is Keyword the correct form?

Yes.


>2) I read that I may use the keyword to Output to PIO12 port.
>This must be written in the "Experimental items" each time that an output
>signal is sent?

Yes.


>3) Which number indicates "N" in the keyword?

Read the help, it's available from the help button in DMDX's main dialog
or online:

http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhoutputkeyword.htm


>
>
>B- Questions about input signals
>
>1) Again, I suppose that it is necessary a keyword definition to be
>written in the parameter line. It is not thus? Is Keyword the
>correct form?

Once for both output and input is sufficient.


>2) I need to use a two-button response box that is connected to the Pio card.
>
>I think it mappes the responses to Bit1 and Bit2, but when I did the PIO
>Test in TimeDX, Bit8 and Bit9 changed from high to low. Can I use the
>inputs in that manner?

Yes, you'll want to unmap the current input mappings with and map
new ones with and . For instance .
/"\
-jonathan (j.c.f.) \ /
X
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Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-174544442-1129131844=:12058-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 12 09:00:02 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9CFxu5L015700 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:59:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523D9B4D57D for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:59:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C90B5F647 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:59:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:59:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Clear a picture when a key pressed In-Reply-To: <1129123279.434d0dcfa50d6@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:21 PM 10/12/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >I'm building an experiment with 3 pictures displayed and a text describes >one of >these pictures. Participants have to response with 3 pressed key; with a key >pressed, the corresponding picture will disappear (i.e., press 1, the first >picture will disappear; press 2, the second will disappear; and so on). I can >use and keywords to store responses to a .zil file but don't know >how to: >1- Realising a key pressed in each item. >2- Clearing a picture when two others still on screen. You can keep the contents of the display from a previous item if the frames of each item have a no-erase in them, the ! switch. To erase a given image you'll have to make a black (or whatever color the background is) and display it over the corresponding image. You'll have to have three items that can take a response and you'll have to have a branch based on the response to one of three items that erases the specific image for that response. If your images are the same size in the same locations then you can use subroutines for the erasing. Something like this: 0 "start" ; 1 ! "black" ; 2 ! "black" ; 3 ! "black" ; +100 "picture1" , "picture2" , "picture3" * ; +101 ! * ; +102 ! * ; Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any time and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than once and thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 12 09:01:22 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9CG1D5L015723 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:01:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B3FB53E92 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:01:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D508AB47FA2 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:01:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012090031.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:01:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Images' Size and resolution In-Reply-To: <20051012134834.24862.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:48 AM 10/12/2005 -0300, you wrote: >Hi there, "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> >We are developing a subliminal priming experiment using DMDX. For this >experiment we are using pictures from the snoodgrass set of pictures (bmp >images). When we run the experiment we see that the DMDX changes the >original size of these pictures making them bigger. > >We have tried modifying the pictures' size in the RTF using the command >words bm.0.9, bm0.8, bm0.7, and so on. Unfortunately it happens to be >that this allows us to change the size of the images but in doing so the >programm also changes their resolution, making them hardly recognizable. > >Could you please tell us one posible way to resolve this problem so that >we can display the images in their original size and their original >resolution?? Use and parameter that matches your desktop resolution. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 12 09:04:07 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9CG3w5L015755 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:03:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2887EB63766 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:03:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C42B641B2 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:03:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012090313.00bb9548@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:03:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs? In-Reply-To: <20051012154404.12116.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051011180724.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:44 AM 10/12/2005 -0700, you wrote: >DEAR J.C. FORSTER >THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS > >I' VE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT I/O INSTRUCTIONS. > >WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: >I UNDERSTOOD THAT WITH DE "+" SIGN A RESPONSE KEY IS HABILITATED, AND WHEN >THE "*" SIGN CONTINUED BY A FRAME IS RESPONDEN THROUGH DE KEYBOARD, THE >RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TIME IS READ BY DMDX. > >WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: >WHICH INSTRUCTION OR KEYBOARD IS NECESSARY IN THE ITEM LINE FOR THE SAME? > Assuming I'm understanding your English it's the same regardless of input device. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 12 16:09:06 2005 Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.201]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9CN8c5L018325 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:08:39 -0700 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q11so76081qbq for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.113.16 with SMTP id q16mr645497qbm; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.107.6 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:02:24 -0400 From: Yuval Marton To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] output counter value as an additional column in table MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'd like to output the values of some counters every time I output an RT response. What I get with is: Item RT ! Counter 4 has value 1 ! Counter 5 has value 1 301 5427.05 ! Counter 4 has value 1 ! Counter 5 has value 2 302 1459.57 ! Counter 4 has value 0 ! Counter 5 has value 1 303 2617.90 ... What I'd like to get is: 301 5427.05 1 1 302 1459.57 1 2 303 2617.90 0 1 ... I couldn't find a switch or option that enables this. But maybe there's some way to do it? Thanks, -Yuval. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 12 17:44:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9D0iV5L018877 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:44:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17C8B2E599 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562FAB548D4 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:44:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012174130.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:44:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: output counter value as an additional column in table In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:02 PM 10/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I'd like to output the values of some counters every time I output an >RT response. >What I get with is: > > Item RT >! Counter 4 has value 1 >! Counter 5 has value 1 > 301 5427.05 >! Counter 4 has value 1 >! Counter 5 has value 2 > 302 1459.57 >! Counter 4 has value 0 >! Counter 5 has value 1 > 303 2617.90 >.. > >What I'd like to get is: > 301 5427.05 1 1 > 302 1459.57 1 2 > 303 2617.90 0 1 >.. > >I couldn't find a switch or option that enables this. But maybe >there's some way to do it? No, there's no way to do it. There's to make zillion data all on one line however it does nothing to counter output. You would have to want to sponsor it's addition as it would be messy to add. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 13 03:32:16 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9DAVa5L021300 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:31:36 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EQ0N5-0004qp-HH for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:31:35 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1EQ0N5-0001jg-76 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:31:35 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:31:35 +0100 Message-ID: <1129199495.434e378728699@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:31:35 +0100 From: V Nguyen To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Clear a picture when a key pressed References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thank you for your suggestion. It runs properly, but I see some strange things in .zil files like this: Subject 20, 10/13/2005 00:11:17 on BINHDKH, refresh 16.65ms ! Display error at msec 140.44, tick 5 in item 0, frame "Press SPACEBAR to start" ! moved into video memory 4 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! Display error at msec 2637.95, tick 155 in item 100, frame " " ! moved into video memory 6 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Item 100, -587.44 587.44,+2 ! Display error at msec 15406.13, tick 922 in item 2, frame "clear2" ! moved into video memory 37 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Item 1001, 241.92 241.92,+1 ! Display error at msec 15772.27, tick 944 in item 1, frame "clear1" ! moved into video memory 17 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Could you tell me how can I do to DMDX not print these line (after (! ) mark) to the .zil file. Kind regards, VB Nguyen Quoting "j.c.f." : > At 02:21 PM 10/12/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >Dear Sir, > > > >I'm building an experiment with 3 pictures displayed and a text describes > >one of > >these pictures. Participants have to response with 3 pressed key; with a > key > >pressed, the corresponding picture will disappear (i.e., press 1, the first > >picture will disappear; press 2, the second will disappear; and so on). I > can > >use and keywords to store responses to a .zil file but don't > know > >how to: > >1- Realising a key pressed in each item. > >2- Clearing a picture when two others still on screen. > > You can keep the contents of the display from a previous item if the > frames of each item have a no-erase in them, the ! switch. To erase a > given image you'll have to make a black (or whatever color the background > is) and display it over the corresponding image. You'll have to have three > items that can take a response and you'll have to have a branch based on > the response to one of three items that erases the specific image for that > response. If your images are the same size in the same locations then you > can use subroutines for the erasing. Something like this: > > > > 0 "start" ; > > 1 ! "black" ; > 2 ! "black" ; > 3 ! "black" ; > > +100 "picture1" , "picture2" , > "picture3" * ; > +101 ! * ; > +102 ! * ; > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any time > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than once and > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > The bug stops here. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 13 08:23:21 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9DFMX5L022785 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:22:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A2EB4176E for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:22:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CFFB4ADBD for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:22:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082111.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:22:28 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Clear a picture when a key pressed In-Reply-To: <1129199495.434e378728699@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Thank you for your suggestion. It runs properly, but I see some strange things >in .zil files like this: > >Subject 20, 10/13/2005 00:11:17 on BINHDKH, refresh 16.65ms >! Display error at msec 140.44, tick 5 in item 0, frame "Press SPACEBAR to >start" >! moved into video memory 4 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! Display error at msec 2637.95, tick 155 in item 100, frame " " >! moved into video memory 6 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >Item 100, -587.44 > 587.44,+2 >! Display error at msec 15406.13, tick 922 in item 2, frame "clear2" >! moved into video memory 37 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >Item 1001, 241.92 > 241.92,+1 >! Display error at msec 15772.27, tick 944 in item 1, frame "clear1" >! moved into video memory 17 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > > >Could you tell me how can I do to DMDX not print these line (after (! ) >mark) to >the .zil file. Your probably using or D in your parameter line. Don't. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 13 08:28:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9DFSd5L022842 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:28:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A67CB6688B for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:28:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11A0B673C0 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:28:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082253.00bc7a20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:28:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Clear a picture when a key pressed In-Reply-To: <1129199495.434e378728699@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > 0 "start" ; > > > > 1 ! "black" ; > > 2 ! "black" ; > > 3 ! "black" ; > > > > +100 "picture1" , "picture2" , > > "picture3" * ; > > +101 ! * ; > > +102 ! * ; > > > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any time > > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than once > and > > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. And then sometime last night (probably sitting in meditation) I realized that you could selectively bind and then unbind response keys so they couldn't make the same response twice like this: 0 "start" ; 1 ! "black" ; 2 ! "black" ; 3 ! "black" ; +100 "picture1" , "picture2" , "picture3" * ; +101 ! * ; +102 ! * ; +200 "picture1" , "picture2" , "picture3" * ; +201 ! * ; +202 ! * ; Of course this solution allows /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 13 08:31:06 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9DFV25L022874 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:31:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBC7B4D80A for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96563B64EA6 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:31:01 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082904.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:30:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Clear a picture when a key pressed In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082111.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <1129199495.434e378728699@webmail.shef.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:22 AM 10/13/2005 -0700, you wrote: > You're probably using or D in your parameter line. Don't. Gad, can't believe I did that. You see so many twits using "your" instead of "you're" and it just creeps into your unconsciousness. Guess that's how language evolves... /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 13 10:43:13 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9DHg55L023696 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:42:05 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o1so431590nzf for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.22.45 with SMTP id z45mr1502127nzi; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.18.30 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a0510131042l63b7ca31qf0fb1fcb3499d6b2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:42:04 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Display error oddity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2005_2242656.1129225324255" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_Part_2005_2242656.1129225324255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have a question about display error messages that are generated in the az= k output. Basically, the same script generates a very different pattern of display errors (or no errors) on two different machines. Here is the scenario. This is the script: d30 f1 +1 * "Test1" /; +2 * "Test2" /; 0 "End"; If I run this script on one computer and let it run with no responses, it generates the following output: Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:24:57 on HEINEKEN, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 Item RT 1 -2000.00 ! Display error at msec 2561.41, tick 152 in item 2, frame "Test2" ! moved into video memory 60 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) 2 -2000.00 ! Display error at msec 4610.93, tick 275 in item 0, frame "End" ! moved into video memory 61 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) This surprised me b/c using a d of 30 should be way more time than was needed to prepare to present text. Also the 60 & 61 additional ticks listed in the display error seemed way too long. Then I realized that the time out of 2000 would obviously be delaying things if the participant responded rea= l slow (or didnt response as in this simulation). If I change the time out to 500 the delay errors go away. I thought problem solved. But, if I run the same original script on a different machine (with the time out of 2000), I DO NOT get any display errors: Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:28:35 on REDSTRIPE, refresh 16.68ms Item RT 1 -2000.00 2 -2000.00 If the time out was the source of the display errors, then it should occur on both machines, correct? But if the timeout is not the source of the error, why does making the timeout <=3D to the duration of the item make th= e display errors go away on the first machine? Thanks for any insight J -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ------=_Part_2005_2242656.1129225324255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I have a question about display error messages that are generated in t= he azk output.  Basically, the same script generates a very different = pattern of display errors (or no errors) on two different machines.  H= ere is the scenario.  This is the script:
 
<ep> d30 f1 <cr><t 2000><id keyboard><id mo= use><vm 1024,768,768,32,60><nfb><eop>
+1  * "Test1" <msfd 500> /;
+2  * "= Test2" <msfd 500> /;
0 "End";

If I run this script on one computer and let it run with no responses,&n= bsp;it generates the following output:

Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:24:57 on HEINEKEN, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1
&nb= sp; Item       RT
    = 1  -2000.00
!  Display error at msec 2561.41, tick 152 in ite= m 2, frame "Test2"
!    moved into video memory= 60 ticks late
!     (previous frame's duration will have been lon= ger)
     2  -2000.00
!  Display error = at msec 4610.93, tick 275 in item 0, frame "End"
!  =   moved into video memory 61 ticks late
!     (= previous frame's duration will have been longer)

This surprised me b/c using a d of 30 should be way more time than was= needed to prepare to present text.  Also the 60 & 61 additio= nal ticks listed in the display error seemed way too long.  Then I rea= lized that the time out of 2000 would obviously be delaying things if the p= articipant responded real slow (or didnt response as in this simulation).&n= bsp; If I change the time out to 500 the delay errors go away.  I thou= ght problem solved.  But, if I run the same original script on&nb= sp;a different machine (with the time out of 2000), I DO NOT get any d= isplay errors:
Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:28:35 on REDSTRIPE, refresh = 16.68ms
  Item       RT
 &nbs= p;   1  -2000.00
     2  -2000.0= 0
 
If the time out was the source of the display errors,= then it should occur on both machines, correct?  But if the timeout i= s not the source of the error, why does making the timeout <=3D to the d= uration of the item make the display errors go away on the first machi= ne?
 
Thanks for any insight
 
J

--
John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Psychology=
University of Wisconsin
1202 West Johnson St.
Madison, WI 5370= 6

Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu
Website: http://dionysus.ps= ych.wisc.edu
Office: 608-262-0387
Lab: 608-262-5621
Cell: 60= 8-217-6221
Fax: 608-262-4029
------=_Part_2005_2242656.1129225324255-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 13 11:05:35 2005 Received: from web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.141]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j9DI5Q5L023905 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:05:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 58488 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2005 18:05:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20051013180521.58486.qmail@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [157.92.4.2] by web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:05:21 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:05:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Yorio Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs? To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012090313.00bb9548@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-276329018-1129226721=:58140" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-276329018-1129226721=:58140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear J.C. Forster Again, question about i/o instructions. How the lowest bit (the bit A0) is read by the plate Pio 12 (inputs). A related question, if program DMDX reads the bit A0 from the card or if the bit A0 is assigned to other devices by default. In that case if it is possible to change the reading of the lowest bit to be read by the Pio 12 card. Thank you in advance "j.c.f." wrote: At 08:44 AM 10/12/2005 -0700, you wrote: >DEAR J.C. FORSTER >THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS > >I' VE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT I/O INSTRUCTIONS. > >WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: >I UNDERSTOOD THAT WITH DE "+" SIGN A RESPONSE KEY IS HABILITATED, AND WHEN >THE "*" SIGN CONTINUED BY A FRAME IS RESPONDEN THROUGH DE KEYBOARD, THE >RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TIME IS READ BY DMDX. > >WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: >WHICH INSTRUCTION OR KEYBOARD IS NECESSARY IN THE ITEM LINE FOR THE SAME? > Assuming I'm understanding your English it's the same regardless of input device. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-276329018-1129226721=:58140 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Dear J.C. Forster

Again, question about i/o instructions.

How the lowest bit (the bit A0) is read by the plate Pio 12 (inputs).

 

A related question, if program DMDX reads the bit A0 from the card or if the bit A0 is assigned to other devices by default.

In that case if it is possible to change the reading of the lowest bit to be read by the Pio 12 card.


Thank you in advance


"j.c.f." <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 08:44 AM 10/12/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>DEAR J.C. FORSTER
>THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS
>
>I' VE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT I/O INSTRUCTIONS.
>
>WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE:
>I UNDERSTOOD THAT WITH DE "+" SIGN A RESPONSE KEY IS HABILITATED, AND WHEN
>THE "*" SIGN CONTINUED BY A FRAME IS RESPONDEN THROUGH DE KEYBOARD, THE
>RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TIME IS READ BY DMDX.
>
>WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE:
>WHICH INSTRUCTION OR KEYBOARD IS NECESSARY IN THE ITEM LINE FOR THE SAME?
>

Assuming I'm understanding your English it's the same regardless of
input device.

/"\
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Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-276329018-1129226721=:58140-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 13 11:19:47 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9DIJc5L024026 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:19:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF352B71CE9 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:19:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952F8B55222 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:19:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013111605.00ba4c60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:19:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs? In-Reply-To: <20051013180521.58486.qmail@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012090313.00bb9548@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_84486984==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_84486984==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:05 AM 10/13/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear J.C. Forster > >Again, question about i/o instructions. > >How the lowest bit (the bit A0) is read by the plate Pio 12 (inputs). It's the request signal unless you remap it. >A related question, if program DMDX reads the bit A0 from the card or if >the bit A0 is assigned to other devices by default. It's the request signal unless you remap it. >In that case if it is possible to change the reading of the lowest bit to >be read by the Pio 12 card. You can map inputs to whatever you like with and , , et al. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Why is there braille on drive-through ATMs? - Stephen Wright --=====================_84486984==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:05 AM 10/13/2005 -0700, you wrote:

Dear J.C. Forster

Again, question about i/o instructions.

How the lowest bit (the bit A0) is read by the plate Pio 12 (inputs).

  It's the request signal unless you remap it.


A related question, if program DMDX reads the bit A0 from the card or if the bit A0 is assigned to other devices by default.

  It's the request signal unless you remap it.


In that case if it is possible to change the reading of the lowest bit to be read by the Pio 12 card.

  You can map inputs to whatever you like with <mpr> and <mnr>, <mr>, <umb> et al.


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--=====================_84486984==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 13 11:44:58 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9DIin5L024217 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:44:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EC9B493A0 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:44:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08E8B72091 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:44:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013113030.00bace98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:44:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display error oddity In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a0510131042l63b7ca31qf0fb1fcb3499d6b2@mail.gmail.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_85997187==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_85997187==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:42 PM 10/13/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I have a question about display error messages that are generated in the >azk output. Basically, the same script generates a very different pattern >of display errors (or no errors) on two different machines. Here is the >scenario. This is the script: > > d30 f1 1024,768,768,32,60> >+1 * "Test1" /; >+2 * "Test2" /; >0 "End"; > >If I run this script on one computer and let it run with no responses, it >generates the following output: > >Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:24:57 on HEINEKEN, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 > Item RT > 1 -2000.00 >! Display error at msec 2561.41, tick 152 in item 2, frame "Test2" >! moved into video memory 60 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > 2 -2000.00 >! Display error at msec 4610.93, tick 275 in item 0, frame "End" >! moved into video memory 61 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >This surprised me b/c using a d of 30 should be way more time than was >needed to prepare to present text. Also the 60 & 61 additional ticks >listed in the display error seemed way too long. Then I realized that the >time out of 2000 would obviously be delaying things if the participant >responded real slow (or didnt response as in this simulation). If I >change the time out to 500 the delay errors go away. Yeah, the time for the next frame is calculated from when the previous display ended so a timeout that's longer than the display will screw up the timing. A 500ms frame plus a 500ms delay minus a two second response timeout gives you around 60 ticks. > I thought problem solved. But, if I run the same original script on a > different machine (with the time out of 2000), I DO NOT get any display > errors: >Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:28:35 on REDSTRIPE, refresh 16.68ms > Item RT > 1 -2000.00 > 2 -2000.00 > >If the time out was the source of the display errors, then it should occur >on both machines, correct? But if the timeout is not the source of the >error, why does making the timeout <= to the duration of the item make the >display errors go away on the first machine? Could be a version thing, I just recently fixed the way was working with and your machines may have different version of DMDX on them. Prior to 3.1.4.1 a pretty un-rigorous piece of code would have not had display errors when the subject's response went over the display duration when and were used together. As long as the display was longer than the RT things will have been fine (as long as you didn't have a really fast CPU) but for poorly formed items like you have there it will have been scheduling the display from the time that the previous item finished, not it's display. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller. --=====================_85997187==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 12:42 PM 10/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
I have a question about display error messages that are generated in the azk output.  Basically, the same script generates a very different pattern of display errors (or no errors) on two different machines.  Here is the scenario.  This is the script:
 
<ep> d30 f1 <cr><t 2000><id keyboard><id mouse><vm 1024,768,768,32,60><nfb><eop>
+1  * "Test1" <msfd 500> /;
+2  * "Test2" <msfd 500> /;
0 "End";

If I run this script on one computer and let it run with no responses, it generates the following output:

Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:24:57 on HEINEKEN, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1
  Item       RT
     1  -2000.00
!  Display error at msec 2561.41, tick 152 in item 2, frame "Test2"
!    moved into video memory 60 ticks late
!     (previous frame's duration will have been longer)
     2  -2000.00
!  Display error at msec 4610.93, tick 275 in item 0, frame "End"
!    moved into video memory 61 ticks late
!     (previous frame's duration will have been longer)
This surprised me b/c using a d of 30 should be way more time than was needed to prepare to present text.  Also the 60 & 61 additional ticks listed in the display error seemed way too long.  Then I realized that the time out of 2000 would obviously be delaying things if the participant responded real slow (or didnt response as in this simulation).  If I change the time out to 500 the delay errors go away.

  Yeah, the time for the next frame is calculated from when the previous display ended so a timeout that's longer than the display will screw up the timing.  A 500ms frame plus a 500ms delay minus a two second response timeout gives you around 60 ticks.

  I thought problem solved.  But, if I run the same original script on a different machine (with the time out of 2000), I DO NOT get any display errors:
Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:28:35 on REDSTRIPE, refresh 16.68ms
  Item       RT
     1  -2000.00
     2  -2000.00
 
If the time out was the source of the display errors, then it should occur on both machines, correct?  But if the timeout is not the source of the error, why does making the timeout <= to the duration of the item make the display errors go away on the first machine?

  Could be a version thing, I just recently fixed the way <cr> was working with <d> and your machines may have different version of DMDX on them.  Prior to 3.1.4.1 a pretty un-rigorous piece of code would have not had display errors when the subject's response went over the display duration when <cr> and <d> were used together.  As long as the display was longer than the RT things will have been fine (as long as you didn't have a really fast CPU) but for poorly formed items like you have there it will have been scheduling the display from the time that the previous item finished, not it's display.


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know how seldom they do.

                                                 -  Olin Miller.

--=====================_85997187==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 13 12:06:18 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9DJ6B5L024387 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:06:12 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so364954nzf for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.221.51 with SMTP id t51mr33097nzg; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.18.30 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a0510131205m2fb25a77m250805cfc382b553@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:05:19 -0500 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display error oddity In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013113030.00bace98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2421_7062338.1129230319124" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013113030.00bace98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_Part_2421_7062338.1129230319124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Jonathan, Yes, the machine that was not generating the problems was running 3.1.2.1All makes sense now. J On 10/13/05, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > At 12:42 PM 10/13/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > I have a question about display error messages that are generated in the > azk output. Basically, the same script generates a very different pattern= of > display errors (or no errors) on two different machines. Here is the > scenario. This is the script: > > d30 f1 1024,768,768,32,60> > +1 * "Test1" /; > +2 * "Test2" /; > 0 "End"; > > If I run this script on one computer and let it run with no responses, it > generates the following output: > > Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:24:57 on HEINEKEN, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 > Item RT > 1 -2000.00 > ! Display error at msec 2561.41, tick 152 in item 2, frame "Test2" > ! moved into video memory 60 ticks late > ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > 2 -2000.00 > ! Display error at msec 4610.93, tick 275 in item 0, frame "End" > ! moved into video memory 61 ticks late > ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > This surprised me b/c using a d of 30 should be way more time than was > needed to prepare to present text. Also the 60 & 61 additional ticks list= ed > in the display error seemed way too long. Then I realized that the time o= ut > of 2000 would obviously be delaying things if the participant responded r= eal > slow (or didnt response as in this simulation). If I change the time out = to > 500 the delay errors go away. > > > Yeah, the time for the next frame is calculated from when the previous > display ended so a timeout that's longer than the display will screw up t= he > timing. A 500ms frame plus a 500ms delay minus a two second response time= out > gives you around 60 ticks. > > I thought problem solved. But, if I run the same original script on a > different machine (with the time out of 2000), I DO NOT get any display > errors: > Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:28:35 on REDSTRIPE, refresh 16.68ms > Item RT > 1 -2000.00 > 2 -2000.00 > > If the time out was the source of the display errors, then it should occu= r > on both machines, correct? But if the timeout is not the source of the > error, why does making the timeout <=3D to the duration of the item make = the > display errors go away on the first machine? > > > Could be a version thing, I just recently fixed the way was working > with and your machines may have different version of DMDX on them. Pr= ior > to 3.1.4.1 a pretty un-rigorous piece of code would hav= e > not had display errors when the subject's response went over the display > duration when and were used together. As long as the display was > longer than the RT things will have been fine (as long as you didn't have= a > really fast CPU) but for poorly formed items like you have there it will > have been scheduling the display from the time that the previous item > finished, not it's display. > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could > know how seldom they do. > > - Olin Miller. > > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ------=_Part_2421_7062338.1129230319124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Thanks Jonathan,
Yes, the machine that was not generating the problems was running 3.1.2.1  All makes sense now.
 
J

 
On 10/13/05, Jonathan C. Forster <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 12:42 PM 10= /13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
I have a question about display error messages th= at are generated in the azk output.  Basically, the same script genera= tes a very different pattern of display errors (or no errors) on two differ= ent machines.  Here is the scenario.  This is the script:=20
 
<ep> d30 f1 <cr><t 2000><id keyboard>= <id mouse><vm 1024,768,768,32,60><nfb><eop>
+1&n= bsp; * "Test1" <msfd 500> /;
+2  * "Test2&quo= t; <msfd 500> /;=20
0 "End";

If I run this script on one computer and let = it run with no responses, it generates the following output:

Subject= 1, 10/13/2005 12:24:57 on HEINEKEN, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1
  Item&n= bsp;      RT
     1  -2000.00
!  Display error at m= sec 2561.41, tick 152 in item 2, frame "Test2"
!  &n= bsp; moved into video memory 60 ticks late
!     (p= revious frame's duration will have been longer)
    = 2  -2000.00
!  Display error at msec 4610.93, tick 275 in item 0, frame "= End"
!    moved into video memory 61 ticks late
!=      (previous frame's duration will have been longer) =
This surprised me b/c using a d of 30 should be way more time than was = needed to prepare to present text.  Also the 60 & 61 additional ti= cks listed in the display error seemed way too long.  Then I realized = that the time out of 2000 would obviously be delaying things if the partici= pant responded real slow (or didnt response as in this simulation).  I= f I change the time out to 500 the delay errors go away.

  Yeah, the time for the next frame is calcula= ted from when the previous display ended so a timeout that's longer than th= e display will screw up the timing.  A 500ms frame plus a 500ms delay = minus a two second response timeout gives you around 60 ticks.

  I thought problem solved.  But, if I = run the same original script on a different machine (with the time out of 2= 000), I DO NOT get any display errors:
Subject 1, 10/1= 3/2005 12:28:35 on REDSTRIPE, refresh=20 16.68ms
  Item       RT
 &nbs= p;   1  -2000.00
     2  -2000.0= 0
 
If the time out was the source of th= e display errors, then it should occur on both machines, correct?  But= if the timeout is not the source of the error, why does making the timeout= <=3D to the duration of the item make the display errors go away on the= first machine?=20

  Could be a version thing, I just rece= ntly fixed the way <cr> was working with <d> and your machines = may have different version of DMDX on them.  Prior to 3.1.4.1 a pretty un-rigorous piece of code would have not had display e= rrors when the subject's response went over the display duration when <c= r> and <d> were used together.  As long as the display was lo= nger than the RT things will have been fine (as long as you didn't have a r= eally fast CPU) but for poorly formed items like you have there it will hav= e been scheduling the display from the time that the previous item finished= , not it's display.


           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;          /"\
 -jonathan (j.c.f.)       &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       \ /
           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;           X
    ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL  / \=

You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you coul= d
know how seldom they do.

           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            - = ; Olin Miller.




-- John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Psychology
University= of Wisconsin
1202 West Johnson St.
Madison, WI 53706

Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu
Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu
Office: 608-2= 62-0387=20
Lab: 608-262-5621
Cell: 608-217-6221
Fax: 608-262-4029=20 ------=_Part_2421_7062338.1129230319124-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 18 15:13:12 2005 Received: from srvudlaex06.udla.fundacion.mx (srvudlaex06.pue.udlap.mx [140.148.62.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9IMC65L026901 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:12:06 -0700 Received: from SRVUDLAEX02.udla.fundacion.mx ([140.148.9.18]) by srvudlaex06.udla.fundacion.mx with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:20:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5D432.2FE748BF" Subject: [DMDX] Mexican Sign Language Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:20:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Gerardo Ortega Delgado" To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5D432.2FE748BF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello everyone, =20 I am doing a study to measure reaction times for users of Mexican Sign = Language but I am having some problems running DMDX. 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smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894D9B85B16 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:03:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051018160053.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:03:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Mexican Sign Language In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:20 PM 10/18/2005 -0500, you wrote: >hello everyone, > >I am doing a study to measure reaction times for users of Mexican Sign >Language but I am having some problems running DMDX. Now that i have >solved my problem with tuning all the parameters for video mode (thanks >for the help, Deborah Kerr) but now everytime I try to run a test >programme it keep saying that it cannot recognise keyword. Is this >the right way to type the visual video clips? > No, it's not a keyword in DMDX. You want . Like it says in the help when you click the Help button. Or online: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdigitalvideo.htm /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 19 10:37:10 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9JHaj5L000662 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:36:46 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ESHro-0001nw-PJ for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:36:44 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1ESHro-0000G0-LF for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:36:44 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:36:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1129743404.4356842c96225@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:36:44 +0100 From: V Nguyen To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Save response data References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051018160053.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051018160053.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Sir, I have made an item file with 48 items and each item long about 15 seconds. Here, I just want to know can I save responses when I haven't finished the whole items yet? For example, when I run to the 20th item, and I want to stop and save all response from item 1 to item 19. Can I do that on DMDX? Kind regards, Binh Nguyen-Van From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 19 12:01:44 2005 Received: from drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (drizzle.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.27.48]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9JJ1V5L001264 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:01:31 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cc.mcgill.ca (mailscan2.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.249]) by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j9JJ1Nsr014943 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:01:27 -0400 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca (vpn93229.VPN.McGill.CA [132.216.93.229]) by mailscan2.cc.mcgill.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j9JJ119j029488 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <435697F1.5070205@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:01:05 -0400 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Missing item number References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050428100728.00ba4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050825210036.00bbce60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050827121312.00ba4650@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I have been writing a control file for a masked priming experiment. As far as I know, I have followed all the directions and to me it looks fine, but when I do a syntax check in DMDX, I get a 'Missing Item Number message'. The problem seems to be related to the 1st '$' sign, because when I tried to remove all my Instructions (after the 1st '$' sign), the problem was still there. I hope I am clear. I tried to look into the Listserv but did not find an answer. Any ideas on what the problem may be? There is an example of my file below. Thanks, Nathalie $0 "Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot.", "Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un mot.", "Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT.", "Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus juste possible."; -225 "########"/ "spuv"/ * "PARI"/; +225 "########"/ "yoiz"/ * "ARGS"/; -225 "########"/ "yift"/ * "FLUV"/; -225 "########"/ "zeen"/ * "BUZE"/; -225 "########"/ "ryld"/ * "LOCE"/; +225 "########"/ "shra"/ * "PAPE"/; +225 "########"/ "nong"/ * "DIFE"/; +225 "########"/ "yuim"/ * "CHIB"/; +225 "########"/ "cigg"/ * "LIRE"/; +225 "########"/ "horv"/ * "ZOIN"/; -225 "########"/ "mact"/ * "SITE"/; -225 "########"/ "byck"/ * "GARS"/; -225 "########"/ "yerm"/ * "TIRE"/; +225 "########"/ "hift"/ * "MÂLE"/; -225 "########"/ "kron"/ * "MIRE"/; +225 "########"/ "hezz"/ * "LOUP"/; +225 "########"/ "luks"/ * "FASH"/; -225 "########"/ "twax"/ * "FLEG"/; 0 "PAUSE", "Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT.";$ +101 "########" / "fain" / * "FAIM" /; -102 "########" / "lens" / * "LENT" /; +103 "########" / "bore" / * "BORD" /; +104 "########" / "peir" / * "PAIR" /; +105 "########" / "bhau" / * "BEAU" /; ... -327 "########" / "solt" / * "SOLE" /; +328 "########" / "firs" / * "FILS" /; +329 "########" / "fauc" / * "FAUX" /; +330 "########" / "bane" / * "BANC" /; $ 0 "FIN", "Merci beaucoup!";$ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 19 13:31:57 2005 Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9JKVY5L001796 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:31:35 -0700 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id D4F9868041 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:31:28 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A01346D2491; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:31:28 +0100 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE76D68041 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:31:28 +0100 (IST) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Missing item number Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:32:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <435697F1.5070205@mail.mcgill.ca> Message-Id: <20051019203128.CE76D68041@imx2.tcd.ie> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Nathalie, you only use the '$' sign when you want to prevent items from being shuffled (you encase items in '$' signs that you don't want to be shuffled). I think your problem was that you had did not specify the parameter in the header bit of your dmdx code. Below I've pasted 2 versions of your code that do work (be aware that I've removed some coding so your experiment works on my machine), the first where the items are not shuffled, the 2nd where they are shuffled (I'm presuming the first 2 items are practice trials and are not shuffled in the 2nd example). I hope I've answered your question. Good luck with that, Andy. The below code works (presumes no shuffling): 0 "Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot.", "Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un mot.", "Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT.", "Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus juste possible."; -225 "########"/ "spuv"/ * "PARI"/; -225 "########"/ "twax"/ * "FLEG"/; 0 "PAUSE", "Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT."; +101 "########" / "fain" / * "FAIM" /; +329 "########" / "fauc" / * "FAUX" /; 0 "FIN", "Merci beaucoup!"; The below code works (presumes shuffling): $0 "Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot.", "Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un mot.", "Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT.", "Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus juste possible."; -225 "########"/ "spuv"/ * "PARI"/; -225 "########"/ "twax"/ * "FLEG"/; 0 "PAUSE", "Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT.";$ +101 "########" / "fain" / * "FAIM" /; +105 "########" / "bhau" / * "BEAU" /; +330 "########" / "bane" / * "BANC" /; $ 0 "FIN", "Merci beaucoup!";$ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 19 13:45:43 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9JKjI5L001910 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:45:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1171B87EBD for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:45:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B66B76D08 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:45:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051019134242.00ba4df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:45:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Save response data In-Reply-To: <1129743404.4356842c96225@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051018160053.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051018160053.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:36 PM 10/19/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >I have made an item file with 48 items and each item long about 15 seconds. >Here, I just want to know can I save responses when I haven't finished the >whole items yet? For example, when I run to the 20th item, and I want to stop >and save all response from item 1 to item 19. Can I do that on DMDX? You can branch to the end of the item file when in the middle or include a last frame switch (L) in any item and DMDX will stop the job. There is no way to save the data and continue unless you break the item file into two files and use at the end of the first one to chain to the second one. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 19 13:46:35 2005 Received: from drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca [132.206.27.48]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9JKkW5L001932 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:46:32 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cc.mcgill.ca (mailscan1.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.248]) by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j9JKkUGb022326 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:46:31 -0400 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca (vpn93229.VPN.McGill.CA [132.216.93.229]) by mailscan1.cc.mcgill.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j9JKjeUQ003007 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4356B078.1050605@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:45:44 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Missing item number References: <20051019203128.CE76D68041@imx2.tcd.ie> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000402090601010904040706" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --------------000402090601010904040706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Andy, Thanks a lot you solved my problem! I had removed the command to do some debugging, but had not removed the '$' signs has you pointed out. Nathalie Andy a écrit: >Dear Nathalie, you only use the '$' sign when you want to prevent items from >being shuffled (you encase items in '$' signs that you don't want to be >shuffled). I think your problem was that you had did not specify the >parameter in the header bit of your dmdx code. Below I've pasted 2 versions >of your code that do work (be aware that I've removed some coding so your >experiment works on my machine), the first where the items are not shuffled, >the 2nd where they are shuffled (I'm presuming the first 2 items are >practice trials and are not shuffled in the 2nd example). I hope I've >answered your question. Good luck with that, Andy. > > >The below code works (presumes no shuffling): > > "keyboard"> > >0 "Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot.", > "Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un >mot.", "Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT.", >"Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus >juste possible."; > >-225 "########"/ "spuv"/ * "PARI"/; >-225 "########"/ "twax"/ * "FLEG"/; > >0 "PAUSE", "Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE >DESPACEMENT."; > >+101 "########" / "fain" / * "FAIM" /; >+329 "########" / "fauc" / * "FAUX" /; > > >0 "FIN", "Merci beaucoup!"; > > > >The below code works (presumes shuffling): > > "keyboard"> >$0 "Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot.", > "Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un >mot.", "Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT.", >"Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus >juste possible."; >-225 "########"/ "spuv"/ * "PARI"/; >-225 "########"/ "twax"/ * "FLEG"/; > >0 "PAUSE", "Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE >DESPACEMENT.";$ > >+101 "########" / "fain" / * "FAIM" /; >+105 "########" / "bhau" / * "BEAU" /; >+330 "########" / "bane" / * "BANC" /; > >$ 0 "FIN", "Merci beaucoup!";$ > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > > > -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 --------------000402090601010904040706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Andy,

Thanks a lot you solved my problem! I had removed the <s xx> command to do some debugging, but had not removed the '$'  signs has you pointed out.

Nathalie

Andy a écrit:
Dear Nathalie, you only use the '$' sign when you want to prevent items from
being shuffled (you encase items in '$' signs that you don't want to be
shuffled).  I think your problem was that you had did not specify the <s xx>
parameter in the header bit of your dmdx code.  Below I've pasted 2 versions
of your code that do work (be aware that I've removed some coding so your
experiment works on my machine), the first where the items are not shuffled,
the 2nd where they are shuffled (I'm presuming the first 2 items are
practice trials and are not shuffled in the 2nd example). I hope I've
answered your question.  Good luck with that, Andy.  


The below code works (presumes no shuffling):

<n 30> <azk> <cr> <fd 75> <d 75> <t 2500> <vm 800,600,600,16,0> <id
"keyboard"> <nfb> <dbc 0> <dwc 255255255> 

0 <ln -2> "Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot.",
<ln -1> "Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un
mot.", "Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT.", <ln 1>
"Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus
juste possible.";

-225 "########"/ <fd 2> "spuv"/ * "PARI"/;
-225 "########"/ <fd 4> "twax"/ * "FLEG"/; 

0 <ln -2> "PAUSE", <ln 2> "Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE
DESPACEMENT.";

+101 "########" / <fd 2> "fain" / * "FAIM" /;
+329 "########" / <fd 5> "fauc" / * "FAUX" /; 


0 <ln -2> "FIN", <ln 2> "Merci beaucoup!";



The below code works (presumes shuffling):

<n 30> <s 1> <azk> <cr> <fd 75> <d 75> <t 2500> <vm 800,600,600,16,0> <id
"keyboard"> <nfb> <dbc 0> <dwc 255255255> 
$0 <ln -2> "Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot.",
<ln -1> "Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un
mot.", "Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT.", <ln 1>
"Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus
juste possible.";
-225 "########"/ <fd 2> "spuv"/ * "PARI"/;
-225 "########"/ <fd 4> "twax"/ * "FLEG"/; 

0 <ln -2> "PAUSE", <ln 2> "Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE
DESPACEMENT.";$

+101 "########" / <fd 2> "fain" / * "FAIM" /;
+105 "########" / <fd 2> "bhau" / * "BEAU" /;
+330 "########" / <fd 5> "bane" / * "BANC" /;

$ 0 <ln -2> "FIN",<ln 2> "Merci beaucoup!";$



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Nathalie Bélanger

Ph.D. Student
School of Communication Sciences and Disorders
McGill University
1266 Avenue des Pins ouest
Montréal, Québec
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--------------000402090601010904040706-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 19 13:49:04 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9JKmN5L001985 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90122B876D7 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902DCB77CF8 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051019134530.00ba4df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Missing item number In-Reply-To: <20051019203128.CE76D68041@imx2.tcd.ie> References: <435697F1.5070205@mail.mcgill.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:32 PM 10/19/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Nathalie, you only use the '$' sign when you want to prevent items from >being shuffled (you encase items in '$' signs that you don't want to be >shuffled). I think your problem was that you had did not specify the >parameter in the header bit of your dmdx code. For sure. When the scramble routines are not invoked with S or scramble commands (like $ and \) are not removed from the item file. So the item read routing comes along looking for a correct response indicator or an item number and finds a $ instead and chokes on it. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 20 04:07:39 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay105-f28.bay105.hotmail.com [65.54.224.38]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9KB6W5L005928 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:06:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:06:27 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:06:27 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?B?Sm9uIEFuZG9uaSBEdfFhYmVpdGlhIExhbmRhYnVydQ==?= To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Display error Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:06:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDX-mates, In the La Laguna University (ULL), we have been working with DMDX for some time, but we noticed some errors depending on the .rtf files we use. The version we use is 3.1.2.6 and once we want to run an experiment written down in a .rtf file, an error display appears telling us about the configuration of the screen (CRTs), and an strange request done to use 600x400… that we never asked for. Our experiments run properly in a 85Hz display, without any video mode written in the parameters lines, with the correct configuration on TimeDX, but in other displays and computers, they don’t run. What should we do for making them run? Thank you for your helpful work. Jon Andoni _________________________________________________________________ Descubre la descarga digital con MSN Music. Más de medio millón de canciones. http://music.msn.es/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 20 08:16:07 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9KFFY5L007131 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:15:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500ABB878E8 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:15:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCEFB85517 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:15:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051020080634.00ba4780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:15:27 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display error In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:06 AM 10/20/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear DMDX-mates, > >In the La Laguna University (ULL), we have been working with DMDX for some >time, but we noticed some errors depending on the .rtf files we use. >The version we use is 3.1.2.6 and once we want to run an experiment >written down in a .rtf file, an error display appears telling us about the >configuration of the screen (CRTs), and an strange request done to use >600x400… that we never asked for. Really old versions of DMDX could ask for the default 640x480 video mode before the video mode that the item file asked for was used but we're talking about versions prior to 3. If an item file doesn't contain a keyword it will be using 640x480. >Our experiments run properly in a 85Hz display, without any video mode >written in the parameters lines, with the correct configuration on TimeDX, >but in other displays and computers, they don’t run. >What should we do for making them run? Use a specific that asks for an 85 Hz display. There are about a dozen things that can change what a generic display's (one that is listed as 0 Hz) frequency is and only a couple that can muck up a specific request to use a given frequency so I recommend using a that asks for a specific frequency. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 20 09:20:56 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9KGKi5L007545 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:20:44 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ESd9n-0007Lr-Ie for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:20:43 +0100 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1ESd9n-0003sl-GN for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:20:43 +0100 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:20:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1129825243.4357c3db70ce0@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:20:43 +0100 From: V Nguyen To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] DMDX not run References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051018160053.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051018160053.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051019134242.00ba4df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051019134242.00ba4df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Sir, I have made a item file and it run well on destops. However, when copying the file to my laptop and press run, on screen displayed a message: Not enough video memory. Then I check Dsplay Properties/Advanced/Adapter, and see Memory Size is 32 MB. I think the video memory may have no problems. Could you please let me have any advices in my case. Kind regards, Binh Nguyen-Van From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 20 12:45:29 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9KJj45L008621 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:45:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED447B833D4 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981D2B83B70 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:45:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051020124327.00ba4df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:44:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX not run In-Reply-To: <1129825243.4357c3db70ce0@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051019134242.00ba4df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051018160053.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051018160053.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051019134242.00ba4df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:20 PM 10/20/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >I have made a item file and it run well on destops. However, when copying the >file to my laptop and press run, on screen displayed a message: Not enough >video memory. Then I check Dsplay Properties/Advanced/Adapter, and see Memory >Size is 32 MB. I think the video memory may have no problems. Could you please >let me have any advices in my case. You will have to use a less intense video mode on the laptop. Use 16 bit color if you are using 32 bit. If that doesn't do it use 1024x768 instead of 1600x1200 for instance. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 21 07:57:55 2005 Received: from tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts25.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.188]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9LEv45L014109 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:57:04 -0700 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca ([70.49.52.27]) by tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20051021145703.JQDJ28424.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@mail.mcgill.ca> for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:57:03 -0400 Message-ID: <435901C1.5090507@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:57:05 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Feedback only for the practice items References: <435697F1.5070205@mail.mcgill.ca> <5.1.0.14.2.20051019134530.00ba4df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070502090201020709070200" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --------------070502090201020709070200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I am setting up a masked priming experiment. After the command lines I have 18 practice items, a pause, and then the task begins. I would like my participants to get feedback only for the practice items so they can learn how to regulate their speed and accuracy before the task. Can I do that? How? Thank you, Nathalie Bélanger -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 --------------070502090201020709070200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

I am setting up a masked priming experiment. After the command lines I have 18 practice items, a pause, and then the task begins. I would like my participants to get feedback only for the practice items so they can learn how to regulate their speed and accuracy before the task. Can I do that? How?

Thank you,

Nathalie Bélanger


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Nathalie Bélanger

Nathalie Bélanger

Ph.D. Student
School of Communication Sciences and Disorders
McGill University
1266 Avenue des Pins ouest
Montréal, Québec
Canada H3G 1A8
Tel.: (514) 398-6895


--------------070502090201020709070200-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 21 10:51:47 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9LHpZ5L014947 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:51:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F47B8D484 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:51:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB2AB8D477 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:51:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051021105041.00ba4d60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:51:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Feedback only for the practice items In-Reply-To: <435901C1.5090507@mail.mcgill.ca> References: <435697F1.5070205@mail.mcgill.ca> <5.1.0.14.2.20051019134530.00ba4df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:57 AM 10/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am setting up a masked priming experiment. After the command lines I >have 18 practice items, a pause, and then the task begins. I would like my >participants to get feedback only for the practice items so they can learn >how to regulate their speed and accuracy before the task. Can I do that? How? or after the practice items. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 22 11:31:44 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9MIV15L021461 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:31:01 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (pcp02797950pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net[68.58.206.167]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20051022183053014006qmc6e>; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:30:54 +0000 Message-ID: <435A8566.9050401@u.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:31:02 -0400 From: Nicole M Whitworth MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Counters question References: <4349408D.3070700@u.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <4349408D.3070700@u.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is it ok to label a macro variable and a counter variable the same name (i.e. macro:"~1" and counter:"c1"), or will that lead to problems in a program? Thanks, Nicole From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 22 15:52:11 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9MMph5L022987 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:51:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04D9B915D1 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:51:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.Arizona.EDU [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D7AB915D5 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:51:41 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051022154619.00ba48f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:51:34 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Counters question In-Reply-To: <435A8566.9050401@u.arizona.edu> References: <4349408D.3070700@u.arizona.edu> <4349408D.3070700@u.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:31 PM 10/22/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Is it ok to label a macro variable and a counter variable the same name >(i.e. macro:"~1" and counter:"c1"), or will that lead to problems in a program? The only time having a macro named 1 would screw things up was if you used the correct response short hand for that's also a tilde (slight brain fade on my part there, sorry). It would never screw up counter code except in a tangential fashion. So you could wind up with: ~1 ; The macro expansion code will expand ~1 and the code won't be what you intended. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The bug stops here. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 24 12:52:53 2005 Received: from drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca [132.206.27.48]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9OJq85L006065 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:52:08 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cc.mcgill.ca (mailscan1.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.248]) by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j9OJq6to015057 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:52:07 -0400 Received: from wgrappe1.CC.McGill.CA (wgrappe1.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.46.250]) by mailscan1.cc.mcgill.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j9OJpICw000546 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wgrappe1.CC.McGill.CA (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wgrappe1.CC.McGill.CA (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9OJnZv0030437 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:49:35 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by wgrappe1.CC.McGill.CA (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j9OJnZVJ030434 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:49:35 -0400 Received: from vpn93250.VPN.McGill.CA (vpn93250.VPN.McGill.CA [132.216.93.250]) by www.webmail.mcgill.ca (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1130183375.435d3acf574b5@www.webmail.mcgill.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:49:35 -0400 From: Nathalie =?iso-8859-1?b?QulsYW5nZXI=?= To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] ANALYZE...I am missing a step MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I guess this is a basic question. I have read Nan Jiang's instructions on data analysis, but it is not working for me. I get .ism and .das files that have not RT's or %error information (see example below). The file also says that I have 0 subjects. It's like the program does not have access to the data I collected somehow! In the program ANALYZE I entered my item file (.rtf) in the first line and then the .spc file in the second line as requested. I have made sure that the .azk file, the item file, the .spc file and the application Analyze were all in the same folder. I probably forgot a silly little detail but can't figure out which one. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Nathalie EXAMPLE .ism file ************************************ C:\Documents and Settings\Thalie\Mes documents\Doctorat\Pilot studies\Pilot 36subj\item file all items 36.rtf Masked Priming TEST FILE SUBJECT %ERRORS MEAN S.D. SD/MEAN 2.0-SD MISSING CUTOFF DISPLAY O+P+ : O+P- : O+P- : Display Parameters: Total observations 0, total modified 0, 0.0% Subject Rejection rate 20%, 0 rejected Duplicated item numbers: 505 NUMBER OF SUBJECTS = 0 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONDITION O+P+ RT ERR ITEM --------------------------------------------------------------------------- **** 0.0 +101 "#######" / "fain" / * "FAIM" /; **** 0.0 +102 "#######" / "lens" / * "LENT" /; **** 0.0 +103 "#######" / "bore" / * "BORD" /; **** 0.0 +104 "#######" / "peir" / * "PAIR" /; **** 0.0 +105 "#######" / "bhau" / * "BEAU" /; -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 24 14:54:48 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9OLsW5L006761 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F979B86C5E for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD52B8F226 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051024145352.00ba4d88@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:27 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: ANALYZE...I am missing a step In-Reply-To: <1130183375.435d3acf574b5@www.webmail.mcgill.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:49 PM 10/24/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I guess this is a basic question. I have read Nan Jiang's instructions on data >analysis, but it is not working for me. I get .ism and .das files that have >not RT's or %error information (see example below). The file also says that I >have 0 subjects. It's like the program does not have access to the data I >collected somehow! > In the program ANALYZE I entered my item file (.rtf) in the first line > and then >the .spc file in the second line as requested. I have made sure that the .azk >file, the item file, the .spc file and the application Analyze were all in the >same folder. > >I probably forgot a silly little detail but can't figure out which one. Any >ideas? Thanks in advance. Perhaps your .SPC file doesn't define any conditions? /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Everyone is born a king, and most people die in exile. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 27 07:44:20 2005 Received: from spark.iranet.ir (spark.iranet.ir [194.225.73.135]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9REhU5L028499 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:43:33 -0700 Received: from ipm.ir (mail.iranet.ir [194.225.73.130]) by spark.iranet.ir (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j9REg0511770 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:12:01 +0330 Received: from WorldClient by ipm.ir (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.1.R) with ESMTP id md50000761077.msg for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:13:39 +0330 Received: from [194.225.72.168] via WorldClient with HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:13:37 +0330 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:13:37 +0330 From: "Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] High-Low frequencies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hi I need to have control on the frequency of different tones in my design. Is there any command for producing auditory stimuli with various desired frequencies? Regards Amin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan School of Cognitive Sciences Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) Niavaran Po.Box:19395-5746,Tehran,Iran From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 27 08:40:40 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9RFeR5L028867 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:40:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3B4B9A394 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:40:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E88B96306 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:40:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051027083943.00ba48b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:40:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: High-Low frequencies In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:13 PM 10/27/2005 +0330, you wrote: >hi >I need to have control on the frequency of different tones in my design. Is >there any command for producing auditory stimuli with various desired >frequencies? No. You'll need to synthesize waveforms and play them instead. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real software engineers work from 9 to 5, because that is the way the job is described in the formal spec. Working late would feel like using an undocumented external procedure. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 27 14:50:13 2005 Received: from torrent.cc.mcgill.ca (torrent.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.27.49]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9RLnj5L031023 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:49:46 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cc.mcgill.ca (mailscan1.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.248]) by torrent.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j9RLniLa032436 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:49:45 -0400 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca (vpn93253.VPN.McGill.CA [132.216.93.253]) by mailscan1.cc.mcgill.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j9RLmii6026430 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43614B3C.2010703@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:48:44 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] 16-bits or 32-bits References: <1130183375.435d3acf574b5@www.webmail.mcgill.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010307020100000303080807" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --------------010307020100000303080807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I have had a problem with the computer I was running DMDX on. It seems my experiment was crashing (screen ws going black and even Ctrl+Alt+Del would not get me out of there) after the third item. It would not do that the first time I ran an item file, but the second time it would...systematically. I thought this may be related to my graphics card because I am running a masked priming expt with very fast prime presentation (2, 4 or 5 ticks and 1 tick = 6,65ms). I changed the configuration of my display screen from 32-bits color setting to 16-bits and that seems to have fixed the problem. My question is, will changing this parameter affect the reliability of timings in my experiment in any way? Thanks! Nathalie -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 --------------010307020100000303080807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

I have had a problem with the computer I was running DMDX on. It seems my experiment was crashing (screen ws going black and even Ctrl+Alt+Del would not get me out of there) after the third item. It would not do that the first time I ran an item file, but the second time it would...systematically. I thought this may be related to my graphics card because I am running a masked priming expt with very fast prime presentation (2, 4 or 5 ticks and 1 tick = 6,65ms). I changed the configuration of my display screen from 32-bits color setting to 16-bits and that seems to have fixed the problem. My question is, will changing this parameter affect the reliability of timings in my experiment in any way? Thanks!

Nathalie


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Nathalie Bélanger

Nathalie Bélanger

Ph.D. Student
School of Communication Sciences and Disorders
McGill University
1266 Avenue des Pins ouest
Montréal, Québec
Canada H3G 1A8
Tel.: (514) 398-6895


--------------010307020100000303080807-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 27 17:14:49 2005 Received: from pyramid.its.unimelb.edu.au (pyramid.its.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.6.201]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9S0Eb5L031804 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:14:37 -0700 Received: from webmail.unimelb.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pyramid.its.unimelb.edu.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9S0Eax3017194 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:14:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from 128.250.174.175 (SquirrelMail authenticated user limm) by webmail.unimelb.edu.au with HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:14:36 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <1801.128.250.174.175.1130458476.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:14:36 +1000 (EST) Subject: [DMDX] Stroop responses From: "Michelle Lim" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi there I am attempting to run the emotional stroop task on DMDX at the moment and have run into a few problems. The task requires a fixation cross "+" to be presented for 500ms before a coloured word (stimuli) is presented. The subject is required to respond what colour the word is (4 responses - red, green, blue, yellow)as quickly as possible. I need the presented word to disappear immediately once a response is entered. I don't seem to be able to do that. There is a delay after the subject responds and i suspect that it is being presented at 500ms (like the fixation cross). What am i missing? This is my parameters: N16 An example of what i have next: 0 “Practice Items†; 0 “Press SPACEBAR to startâ€; +101 <%ms 500> “+†/ *“Happyâ€/; +102 <%ms 500> “+†/ *“Followâ€/; Thanks Michelle From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 28 01:51:43 2005 Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9S8pB5L001635 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:51:11 -0700 Received: from Vams.imx2 (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with SMTP id 61E6E681DD for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:51:05 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie ([134.226.1.156]) with SMTP (gateway) id A01BED5E493; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:51:05 +0100 Received: from PSY169071 (psy169071.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.169.71]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C76F681DD for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:51:05 +0100 (IST) From: "Andy" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Stroop responses Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:52:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1801.128.250.174.175.1130458476.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> Message-Id: <20051028085105.4C76F681DD@imx2.tcd.ie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Michelle, I'm running a similar experiment at the moment. I used the command to get past your "clear the display as soon as the participant responds" problem. Below is some sample code. Good luck with that, Andy. $0 "instructions";$ =1 "CROSS" / / * "ALAF263_fb", "KAEM361_mb" ; From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 28 07:54:55 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9SEs65L003618 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:54:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DB9B999C8 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.Arizona.EDU [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45361B9F490 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:54:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051028075221.00ba48d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:54:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: 16-bits or 32-bits In-Reply-To: <43614B3C.2010703@mail.mcgill.ca> References: <1130183375.435d3acf574b5@www.webmail.mcgill.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:48 PM 10/27/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >I have had a problem with the computer I was running DMDX on. It seems my >experiment was crashing (screen ws going black and even Ctrl+Alt+Del would >not get me out of there) after the third item. It would not do that the >first time I ran an item file, but the second time it >would...systematically. I thought this may be related to my graphics card >because I am running a masked priming expt with very fast prime >presentation (2, 4 or 5 ticks and 1 tick = 6,65ms). I changed the >configuration of my display screen from 32-bits color setting to 16-bits >and that seems to have fixed the problem. My question is, will changing >this parameter affect the reliability of timings in my experiment in any way? Patently if changing the screen color depth changes whether the graphics driver crashes or not anything is possible. Typically on a functioning computer I wouldn't ever expect the color depth to effect timing however. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ If you want to know what god thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to. - Dorthy Parker From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 29 07:15:53 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9TEFP5L011999 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 07:15:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFE1B9F569 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 07:15:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FF7B8883A for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 07:15:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051029065018.00ba48d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 07:15:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] millisecond timer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm seeing reports on the developers list server again of timing inaccuracies in the function that DMDX uses for it's millisecond clock, namely QueryPerformanceCounter(). This time around it would appear that some systems that use AMD's X2 dual core CPUs have the problem. QueryPerformanceCounter() can use a number of different sources as it's clock, notably either the 3.5Mhz PCI clock or the RTDSC that's part of the CPU whose frequency these days tends to be in the GHz range as it's tied to the CPU's clock frequency. And therein lies the original problem on laptops as today's CPUs change their frequency to control their temperature so the frequency of our timers change too -- way bad. Now we have these dual core CPUs where there are two RTDSC counters and they are not synchronized so the timer can leap ahead billions of counts (a second or two) and then leap back. Which is why the TimeDX Millisecond Timer Test is there so there's a chance people will detect the problem. A lot of machines seems to forgo using the RTDSC and instead use the 3579545 Hz PCI based one which as far as we know is stable so if you see TimeDX reporting that frequency you're golden. If you see a much higher frequency and you have a desktop that's not a dual core machine you're still fine, otherwise you need to check that the millisecond timer test doesn't report something along these lines: Performance Counter went backwards by 1234.5678ms! This machine will not be able to run DMDX at all well. It's possible I can add code to DMDX to handle this but I don't want to as it will add a significant performance penalty -- I'm certainly not going to do it till someone reports having a machine with the problem (it's not all AMD X2 machines). There's a good bit of pressure being put on MS both from within and without to fix this so hopefully I won't have to resort to chicanery, right now it's wait and see. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ If you want to know what god thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to. - Dorthy Parker From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 29 11:59:53 2005 Received: from web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.153]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id j9TIx95L013225 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:59:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 73620 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2005 18:59:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20051029185903.73618.qmail@web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [201.254.149.105] by web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:59:03 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Yorio Subject: [DMDX] problems with the Pio Card? To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Cc: jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-197440799-1130612343=:69815" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-197440799-1130612343=:69815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear J.C. Forster I have a PCI-DIO24 card installed on a computer that runs program DMDX. (Windows XP) When I execute the DMDX test program And I select the Pio test, the indication “InstaCal Board 0 Pci-Dio 12” appears in the Pio address of the screen picture that displays the DMDX-test. Soon, when I select "start" the indicating squares of the output bits change their appearance (from gray color to white color), but the indicating squares of the input bits did non change. All of input the indicators(e.g. 0-REQ, 1-NEG, 2-POS, 3-TAPE, 4-VOX,..., etc) maintain the sign "?" Is correct this answer? Is there something wrong made in the installation of the card or the execution of the test? Thank you in advance --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-197440799-1130612343=:69815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Dear J.C. Forster

I have a PCI-DIO24 card installed on a computer that runs program DMDX. (Windows XP)

 

When I execute the DMDX test program And I select the Pio test, the indication “InstaCal Board 0 Pci-Dio 12” appears in the Pio address of the screen picture that displays the DMDX-test.

 

Soon, when I select "start" the indicating squares of the output bits change their appearance (from gray color to white color), but  the indicating squares of the input bits did non change. All of input the indicators(e.g. 0-REQ, 1-NEG, 2-POS, 3-TAPE, 4-VOX,..., etc)  maintain the sign "?"

 

Is correct this answer? Is there something wrong made in the installation of the card or the execution of the test?

 

Thank you in advance

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-197440799-1130612343=:69815-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 29 13:24:55 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9TKOg5L013679 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:24:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C879B9B217 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:24:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-7.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D432BA0B19 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:24:41 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051029131955.00ba48c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:24:34 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: problems with the Pio Card? In-Reply-To: <20051029185903.73618.qmail@web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:59 AM 10/29/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear J.C. Forster "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > >I have a PCI-DIO24 card installed on a computer that runs program DMDX. >(Windows XP) > >When I execute the DMDX test program And I select the Pio test, the >indication "InstaCal Board 0 Pci-Dio 12" appears in the Pio address of the >screen picture that displays the DMDX-test. Odd, ours appears as "InstaCal Board 0 PCI-DIO24". You sure yours has 12 in it and not 24? >Soon, when I select "start" the indicating squares of the output bits >change their appearance (from gray color to white color), but the >indicating squares of the input bits did non change. All of input the >indicators(e.g. 0-REQ, 1-NEG, 2-POS, 3-TAPE, 4-VOX,..., etc) maintain the >sign "?" > >Is correct this answer? Is there something wrong made in the installation >of the card or the execution of the test? No, the input boxes should all have "high" or "low" in them. Perhaps your card doesn't have input on it or if it does it's somehow been disabled by the InstaCal software. I'd go back to the InstaCal stuff and check all the settings. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ If you want to know what god thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to. - Dorthy Parker From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 30 17:43:51 2005 Received: from pyramid.its.unimelb.edu.au (pyramid.its.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.6.201]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9V0h05L021512 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:43:01 -0700 Received: from webmail.unimelb.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pyramid.its.unimelb.edu.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9V0gqld020374; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:42:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from 203.164.150.143 (SquirrelMail authenticated user limm) by webmail.unimelb.edu.au with HTTP; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:42:56 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <1480.203.164.150.143.1130719376.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <20051028085105.4C76F681DD@imx2.tcd.ie> References: <1801.128.250.174.175.1130458476.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> <20051028085105.4C76F681DD@imx2.tcd.ie> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:42:56 +1100 (EST) Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Stroop responses From: "Michelle Lim" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hey Andy Thanks alot for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the addition didn't appear to help as the screen did not clear immediately upon the response. This is the new set of parameters i used. I am pretty sure that i need to omit something from it which is causing the delay. N16 0 “Practice Items†; 0 “Press SPACEBAR to startâ€; +1 <%ms 500> “+†/ *“Happyâ€/; Michelle Andy wrote: > Dear Michelle, I'm running a similar experiment at the moment. I used the > command to get past your "clear the display as soon as the > participant responds" problem. Below is some sample code. Good luck with > that, Andy. > > > > > 0> shift> > > $0 "instructions";$ > > > =1 "CROSS" / / > * "ALAF263_fb", "KAEM361_mb" ; > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > Department of Psychology School of Behavioural Science University of Melbourne 3010 Victoria Tel: + 61 3 8344 3895 Fax: + 61 3 9347 6618 limm@unimelb.edu.au www.psych.unimelb.edu.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 30 20:10:19 2005 Received: from pyramid.its.unimelb.edu.au (pyramid.its.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.6.201]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9V3A65L022180 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:10:07 -0700 Received: from webmail.unimelb.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pyramid.its.unimelb.edu.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9V3A1kD021795; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:10:03 +1100 (EST) Received: from 203.164.150.143 (SquirrelMail authenticated user limm) by webmail.unimelb.edu.au with HTTP; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:10:03 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3278.203.164.150.143.1130728203.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:10:03 +1100 (EST) Subject: [DMDX] Stroop responses From: "Michelle Lim" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Someone suggested that i omit the "/" after the word stimuli and that solved the problem. However, i am getting this error message in my zil file. Display error at msec 401.31, tick 13 in item 0, frame "Practice Items" ! moved into video memory 4 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 3 ticks Can someone help me understand what that means? and whether i should fix this even though the experiment runs. Cheers Michelle ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Stroop responses From: "Michelle Lim" Date: Mon, October 31, 2005 11:42 am To: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Andy Thanks alot for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the addition didn't appear to help as the screen did not clear immediately upon the response. This is the new set of parameters i used. I am pretty sure that i need to omit something from it which is causing the delay. N16 0 “Practice Items†; 0 “Press SPACEBAR to startâ€; +1 <%ms 500> “+†/ *“Happyâ€/; Michelle Andy wrote: > Dear Michelle, I'm running a similar experiment at the moment. I used the > command to get past your "clear the display as soon as the > participant responds" problem. Below is some sample code. Good luck with > that, Andy. > > > > > 0> shift> > > $0 "instructions";$ > > > =1 "CROSS" / / > * "ALAF263_fb", "KAEM361_mb" ; > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > Department of Psychology School of Behavioural Science University of Melbourne 3010 Victoria Tel: + 61 3 8344 3895 Fax: + 61 3 9347 6618 limm@unimelb.edu.au www.psych.unimelb.edu.au Department of Psychology School of Behavioural Science University of Melbourne 3010 Victoria Tel: + 61 3 8344 3895 Fax: + 61 3 9347 6618 limm@unimelb.edu.au www.psych.unimelb.edu.au From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 30 21:15:08 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j9V4Ek5L022502 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:14:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDB2B98A5F for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.Arizona.EDU [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30363BA38E5 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:14:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051030211231.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:14:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Stroop responses In-Reply-To: <3278.203.164.150.143.1130728203.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.e du.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:10 PM 10/31/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hi >Someone suggested that i omit the "/" after the word stimuli and that >solved the problem. However, i am getting this error message in my zil >file. > >Display error at msec 401.31, tick 13 in item 0, frame "Practice Items" >! moved into video memory 4 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 3 ticks > >Can someone help me understand what that means? and whether i should fix >this even though the experiment runs. When using a fixed delay between items it's pretty common to see just the first item have a timing error like this. It takes some machines a lot longer to get the first display requests done and once they're out of the way the rest of the experiment is often fine. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 1 08:08:51 2005 Received: from web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.222]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id jA1F875L032076 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:08:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 71026 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2005 15:08:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20051101150801.71022.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.32.104.163] by web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:08:01 ART Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:08:01 -0300 (ART) From: Lisandro Kaunitz Subject: [DMDX] Display error To: dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-882795074-1130857681=:70083" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --0-882795074-1130857681=:70083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello everybody, I`m preparing an experiment on masked priming with pictures. When running the experiment on my notebook the program flashes some pictures where they shouldn´t appear, for example if the sequence is Mask, prime, mask, the programm flashes onto the screen a picture of the prime before the first mask. I get the display errors (almost in every line of the script of my experiment) >! moved into video memory X ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 3 ticks Johnathan you recently wrote to the list: "When using a fixed delay between items it's pretty common to see just the first item have a timing error like this. It takes some machines a lot longer to get the first display requests done and once they're out of the way the rest of the experiment is often fine." I have run the experiment on a friend´s notebook and the program flows just fine. In my computer however, it takes longer to get the first display request done as you said, but once the request is done it keeps producing errors. It keeps on flashing pictures where they shouldn´t be and the exposure times of some of them seem to be suffering from important differences when they should be all of the same duration (this is important for my experiment because the primes must be subliminally presented). Is this a hardware problem? Is there a way I can fix it without changing the machine? Thank you very much. Best wishes. Lisandro. --------------------------------- 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo Abrí tu cuenta aquí --0-882795074-1130857681=:70083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
Hello everybody,
 
I`m preparing an experiment on masked priming with pictures. When running the experiment on my notebook the program flashes some pictures where they shouldn´t appear, for example if the sequence is Mask, prime, mask, the programm flashes onto the screen a picture of the prime before the first mask. 
 
I get the display errors (almost in every line of the script of my experiment)

>! moved into video memory X ticks late
>! (previous frame's duration will have been longer)
>! -- possibly caused by another process taking 3 ticks
 
Johnathan you recently wrote to the list:
 
"When using a fixed delay between items it's pretty common to see just
the first item have a timing error like this. It takes some machines a lot
longer to get the first display requests done and once they're out of the
way the rest of the experiment is often fine."
 
I have run the experiment on a friend´s notebook and the program flows
just fine. In my computer however, it takes longer to get the first display request done as you said, but once the request is done it keeps producing errors. It keeps on flashing pictures where they shouldn´t be and the exposure times of some of them seem to be suffering from important differences when they should be all of the same duration (this is important for my experiment because the primes must be subliminally presented).
 
Is this a hardware problem?
Is there a way I can fix it without changing the machine?
 
Thank you very much. Best wishes.


Lisandro.

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Abrí tu cuenta aquí --0-882795074-1130857681=:70083-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 1 11:46:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA1IPj5L000831 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:25:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B090AB95A4B for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:25:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91905B8256F for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:25:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051101112340.00bc8480@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:25:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display error In-Reply-To: <20051101150801.71022.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:08 PM 11/1/2005 -0300, you wrote: > >Is this a hardware problem? In a way, yes. >Is there a way I can fix it without changing the machine? There is a discussion of these issues in the help. You want to get new video drivers. If that doesn't work you want to use one of the limited mode shortcuts when you run DMDX, either DMDX for GeForce video cards or worst case DMDX for really bad video cards. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 4 05:38:37 2005 Received: from mail-gw1.york.ac.uk (mail-gw1.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.246]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA4Cbn5L020874 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:37:49 -0700 Received: from Milligan-GG.york.ac.uk (milligan.york.ac.uk [144.32.162.139]) by mail-gw1.york.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA4CbjQW005483 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:37:45 GMT Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.0.20051104123053.01e8c120@psych.york.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:37:47 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Gareth Gaskell Subject: [DMDX] global volume control Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, We're having problems to do with people requiring different sound volume levels when running multiple experiments on the same computer. It would be nice to be able to guarantee when running a script that the volume level is set to whatever the experimenter wishes. Is there a way to get DMDX to set the overall windows volume level within a script? Or failing that, can the keyword be used in the top line of the script, so that at least people can guarantee a relative volume level (hopefully meaning that the windows volume does not get changed). Thanks, Gareth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gareth Gaskell Department of Psychology University of York Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 Office: Psychology, C226 Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk Home page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ Research group: http://www.york.ac.uk/res/prg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 4 07:30:40 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA4EUP5L021511 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:30:26 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EY2aH-0006Z8-BU for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:30:25 +0000 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1EY2aH-00011L-2J for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:30:25 +0000 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1131114624.436b708104904@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:30:25 +0000 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX mailing list Subject: [DMDX] participant controlled rate of presentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi All, there's a student in our department who would like to run an experiment in which participants listen to sentences in a self-paced experiment. She'd like to present the sentences a few words at a time, having the participants press a key when they're ready to hear the next bit. She'd like to measure the time it takes between each key press. Is that possible? Would the script look like any script with .wav files using the right shift key, for example, to bring up the next item, maybe using a long timeout interval so people have time to bring up the next item? Or is there a more elegant way of doing this? Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 4 07:31:39 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA4EVa5L021535 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:31:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9E7BAEDAC for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:31:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594AABAF0D4 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:31:35 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051104072900.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:31:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: global volume control In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.0.20051104123053.01e8c120@psych.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX used to change the overall volume (the exact mechanism by which it did it I forget) however it caused no end of problems because the volume stayed set that way once DMDX exited. So it was removed. At 12:37 PM 11/4/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >We're having problems to do with people requiring different sound volume >levels when running multiple experiments on the same computer. It would be >nice to be able to guarantee when running a script that the volume level >is set to whatever the experimenter wishes. > >Is there a way to get DMDX to set the overall windows volume level within >a script? > >Or failing that, can the keyword be used in the top line of the >script, so that at least people can guarantee a relative volume level >(hopefully meaning that the windows volume does not get changed). > >Thanks, > >Gareth > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gareth Gaskell > Department of Psychology > University of York > Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK > > Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 > Office: Psychology, C226 > Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk > Home page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ > Research group: http://www.york.ac.uk/res/prg/ >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 4 07:37:37 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA4EbW5L021599 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:37:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0E2BB0CEE for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:37:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F38BAD7A0 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:37:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051104073215.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:37:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: participant controlled rate of presentation In-Reply-To: <1131114624.436b708104904@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:30 PM 11/4/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >there's a student in our department who would like to run an experiment in >which >participants listen to sentences in a self-paced experiment. She'd like to >present the sentences a few words at a time, having the participants press a >key when they're ready to hear the next bit. She'd like to measure the time it >takes between each key press. > >Is that possible? Yes. > Would the script look like any script with .wav files using >the right shift key, for example, to bring up the next item, maybe using a >long >timeout interval so people have time to bring up the next item? No, you would use a fixed delay between items and have to calculate what the time between clockons was later when you analyze the data. > Or is there a >more elegant way of doing this? You could use to simplify post run calculations so you know when each clockon occurred. You could also probably use counters to calculate the times automatically, however that might be a little complicated. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 4 07:56:54 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA4Euj5L021780 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:56:45 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EY2zk-0002Hc-Fo for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:56:44 +0000 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1EY2zk-0002hY-6A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:56:44 +0000 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:56:44 +0000 Message-ID: <1131116204.436b76ac2242b@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:56:44 +0000 From: C A Ankerstein To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: participant controlled rate of presentation References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051104073215.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051104073215.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, thanks for the speedy response. You said I should use a fixed delay between items and would have to calculate what the time between clockons was later when analyzing the data. How do I do that? Are there any sample scripts out there that I could work from? Thanks, Carrie From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 4 09:27:29 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA4GR45L022300 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:27:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C58BB3529 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE70BB337B for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:27:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051104092123.00ba4cd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:26:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: participant controlled rate of presentation In-Reply-To: <1131116204.436b76ac2242b@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051104073215.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051104073215.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:56 PM 11/4/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >thanks for the speedy response. You said I should use a fixed delay between >items and would have to calculate what the time between clockons was later >when >analyzing the data. > > >How do I do that? The fixed Delay is done with the parameter -- note that it's not required if you're going to use . You would use Excel or something else to calculate the RTs. I'd subtract the two RCOT times, add the second response and subtract the first and you've got time from one RT to the next. > Are there any sample scripts out there that I could work >from? If you use the DMDX script is only going to differ from a normal script by the addition of in the parameter line. Scripts for processing the results aren't within my purview. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. - anonymous From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Nov 5 06:32:42 2005 Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.234.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA5DVe5L028316 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:31:41 -0700 Received: from largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk (largo.ncl.ac.uk [10.8.234.184]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5DVYOh019722 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:31:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [DMDX] Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:31:33 -0000 Message-ID: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D428DD@largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk> From: "Chris Letts" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I now have a very peculiar problem, similar to, but not the same as others reported. On a Toshiba laptop, I can run DMDX no problem - I get the end message, and asked whether to 'save the data'. I say yes, the data is saved, and then finally the screen goes white and the whole laptop freezes. (seems like the close down process for DMDX is failing somewhere and not returning control to Windows?) Nothing gets me out of the freeze other than a reboot. The run data has been successfully saved. The same happens if I say I Don't want to save data so it's not a disc problem or anything like that - sounds much more like a video problem with DMDX not being able to revert to the original video settings ? Chris Letts, University of Newcastle From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Nov 5 15:35:27 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA5MYt5L030869 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:34:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657FEBACF0E for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:34:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDF7BB5527 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:34:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051105152903.00ba4718@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:34:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: In-Reply-To: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D428DD@largo.campus.ncl. ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:31 PM 11/5/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I now have a very peculiar problem, similar to, but not the same as >others reported. > >On a Toshiba laptop, I can run DMDX no problem - I get the end message, >and asked whether to 'save the data'. I say yes, the data is saved, and >then finally the screen goes white and the whole laptop freezes. (seems >like the close down process for DMDX is failing somewhere and not >returning control to Windows?) Yeah, we've seen that before. I'm not recalling specifically what it was though so you might want to spend some quality time with the archives. If you're not running the latest version of DMDX you might try that just incase it wasn't a driver issue and I actually had to fix something in DMDX. > Nothing gets me out of the freeze other >than a reboot. The run data has been successfully saved. The same >happens if I say I Don't want to save data so it's not a disc problem or >anything like that - sounds much more like a video problem with DMDX not >being able to revert to the original video settings ? I'm betting it was with bad video drivers, failing that it was bad sound card drivers. If you're not using any sound files then it's more than likely video chipset driver update time. Of course there's always the DMDX for GeForce Video Card shortcut and if that fails the DMDX for Really Bad Video Cards. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Nov 5 23:34:37 2005 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.8.181]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA66Y15L000638 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:34:02 -0700 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA66XuQk012723 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:33:56 +0800 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA66XuNp012718 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:33:56 +0800 Received: (from apache@localhost) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id jA66XucB012716 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:33:56 +0800 Received: from 058177124071.ctinets.com (058177124071.ctinets.com [58.177.124.71]) by webmail.cuhk.edu.hk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:33:56 +0800 Message-ID: <1131258836.436da3d41377d@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:33:56 +0800 From: s037627@mailserv.cuhk.edu.hk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=BIG5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi everybody, I am preparing a experiment on a notebook. In each trial of the experiment, two visual stimuli, a cross and a circle, will be shown sequentially. There are four combinations, including that a cross is shown first and then a circle is shown; a circle first and then a cross; 2 circle are shown sequentially; 2 cross shown sequentially. Each stimulus would last for 75ms, and ISI would be varied from 500ms, 300ms, 100ms, 50ms, 10ms. The instruction given to the subject is that when he see cross, he need to press A; when he see circle, he need to press L. A correct repsone for each trial including 2 presses which are in corect order. We try to write the program like this: $ 0 "press two pics"; 0 "see x press A"; 0 "see O press L"; 0 "space"; 250 /; $ +1 * "cross" /* "white"/* "circle"// ; -2 */ ; However, there are several problems. First, when subject press the first button, he need to wait for a while before he press the second button though i have set . Then the RT of subject would not accurate. Second, For ISI is 500ms like the above, the subject may press the button once he see the first stimulus before the second stimulus is shown. But, we cannot spilt the 2 stimulus in each trial into 2 lines. That is write the programe like this : +1 * "cross"/ "white"/// ; -2 * "circle"// ; Because we use five ISI: 500ms, 300ms,, 100ms, 50ms, 10ms. For the short ISI, like 10ms, if we split the 2 stimulus into 2 lines, the subject would not have enough time to repsond. The third problem is the feedback. If the subject press incorrect button for the first stimulus, but he press correct button for the second stimulus, a feedback "wrong" would be shown followed by a feedback "correct". A correct reponse for each trial involves 2 presses in correct order. And the condition just described is a wrong repsonse instead of a wrong and then correct response. I know what I said is a bit complicated, hope you will undersatnd what I said. I don't know how to use DMDX to write a programme that can record RT for 2 responses in each trial. Thanks, Kevin ------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Nov 6 06:42:56 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA6Dg25L002437 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 06:42:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C108EBB215A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 06:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5210DB8C52D for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 06:42:01 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051106063408.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 06:41:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT problems In-Reply-To: <1131258836.436da3d41377d@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:33 PM 11/6/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi everybody, > >I am preparing a experiment on a notebook. In each trial of the >experiment, two >visual stimuli, a cross and a circle, will be shown sequentially. There are >four combinations, including that a cross is shown first and then a circle is >shown; a circle first and then a cross; 2 circle are shown sequentially; 2 >cross shown sequentially. Each stimulus would last for 75ms, and ISI would be >varied from 500ms, 300ms, 100ms, 50ms, 10ms. The instruction given to the >subject is that when he see cross, he need to press A; when he see circle, he >need to press L. A correct repsone for each trial including 2 presses >which are >in corect order. We try to write the program like this: > > > > Well a of zero sure isn't going to help you, any frame without a specific duration won't get displayed. > 255255255> > > >$ >0 > "press two pics"; >0 "see x press A"; >0 "see O press L"; >0 "space"; > >250 /; >$ >+1 * "cross" /* "white"/* >"circle"// ; > >-2 */ ; > > >However, there are several problems. First, when subject press the first >button, >he need to wait for a while before he press the second button though i >have set >. You need to specify a of zero, DMDX will move to the next item as quick as possible. > Then the RT of subject would not accurate. Only one clockon per item is allowed. > Second, For ISI is 500ms >like the above, the subject may press the button once he see the first >stimulus >before the second stimulus is shown. But, we cannot spilt the 2 stimulus in >each >trial into 2 lines. You will have to. > That is write the programe like this : > > >+1 * "cross"/ "white"///¡§correct¡¨> ; > >-2 * "circle"// "wrong">; > > Because we use five ISI: 500ms, 300ms,, 100ms, 50ms, 10ms. For the short > ISI, >like 10ms, if we split the 2 stimulus into 2 lines, the subject would not have >enough time to repsond. > > >The third problem is the feedback. If the subject press incorrect button for >the >first stimulus, but he press correct button for the second stimulus, a >feedback >"wrong" would be shown followed by a feedback "correct". A correct reponse for >each trial involves 2 presses in correct order. And the condition just >described is a wrong repsonse instead of a wrong and then correct response. > > >I know what I said is a bit complicated, hope you will undersatnd what I said. Not really. Someone else might care to take a stab at it. >I >don't know how to use DMDX to write a programme that can record RT for 2 >responses in each trial. You have to use two items. If scrambling is causing you pairs to move away from each other then use the option in scrambling to pair items together, for instance . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Nov 6 13:03:34 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA6K2s5L004187 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:02:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440FDB9D291 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B49B940D1 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:02:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051106124844.00ba47a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 13:02:47 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT problems In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051106063408.00ba4820@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <1131258836.436da3d41377d@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:41 AM 11/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >At 02:33 PM 11/6/2005 +0800, you wrote: >>Hi everybody, >> >>I am preparing a experiment on a notebook. In each trial of the >>experiment, two >>visual stimuli, a cross and a circle, will be shown sequentially. There are >>four combinations, including that a cross is shown first and then a circle is >>shown; a circle first and then a cross; 2 circle are shown sequentially; 2 >>cross shown sequentially. Each stimulus would last for 75ms, and ISI would be >>varied from 500ms, 300ms, 100ms, 50ms, 10ms. The instruction given to the >>subject is that when he see cross, he need to press A; when he see circle, he >>need to press L. A correct repsone for each trial including 2 presses >>which are >>in corect order. We try to write the program like this: Yeah, the only way this is going to be done correctly is with a bunch of branching or with counters and less branching. Because you can't gather two responses in an item (you can gather more but DMDX can't process the results for feedback) you'll have to have a design that remembers the first response in determining what feedback to give for the second response. So you can either have a design the branches depending on the result of the first item to either an item that can't have a correct response or one that could have one. The way I'd be tempted to do it would be to have feedback turned off and load up a counter with the lastXT of the first item and then have a custom feedback routine for the second. Something along these lines: $ 0 "instuctions" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; ~3 ; 4 "correct" ; 5 "wrong" ; ~1000; $ +1001 "circle" * ; +1002 "cross" * ; +2001 "circle" * ; +2002 "cross" * ; Of course there are probably a dozen things I'm forgetting but that's how I'd start. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 7 05:51:29 2005 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.8.181]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA7Cou5L008730 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:50:57 -0700 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA7CoomO025091 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:50:50 +0800 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA7CooAu025086 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:50:50 +0800 Received: (from apache@localhost) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id jA7CooBV025084 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:50:50 +0800 Received: from 058177124071.ctinets.com (058177124071.ctinets.com [58.177.124.71]) by webmail.cuhk.edu.hk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:50:50 +0800 Message-ID: <1131367850.436f4daa04ca4@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:50:50 +0800 From: s037627@mailserv.cuhk.edu.hk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=BIG5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list We tried to recompose the program as the lines below. $ 0 "instuctions" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; ~3 ; 4 "correct" ; 5 "wrong" ; ~1000; $ +1001 "circle" * ; +1002 "cross" * ; +2001 "circle" * ; +2002 "cross" * ; $ 0 ¡§The End. Thank You.¡¨; $ But we have two problems: One is when we try running the above lines. An error "Return without Call". What does this mean? Another is about the record and feedback of responses. In our experiment, two stimuli will be presented sequentially. But in some trials, the ISI will be as short as 10ms only. So if the two stimuli are separatesd in two lines, we are afraid that the participants do not have enough time to respond after the first stimulus is presented. How can we solve this problem? Thanks a lot. ------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 7 07:50:33 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA7Eo05L009420 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:50:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AF4BB646C for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABB2B9957F for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:49:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051107073716.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:49:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT In-Reply-To: <1131367850.436f4daa04ca4@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:50 PM 11/7/2005 +0800, you wrote: >But we have two problems: > >One is when we try running the above lines. An error "Return without Call". >What does this mean? It means you didn't include the that my example had in it that branched over the subroutines. The subroutines (items 1 to 5) can't be executed in the normal flow of an item. >Another is about the record and feedback of responses. In our experiment, two >stimuli will be presented sequentially. But in some trials, the ISI will be as >short as 10ms only. You're running at 100Hz refresh rate? My experience has been that very few machines that use are ever doing anything more than 60Hz. You might want to try instead. > So if the two stimuli are separatesd in two lines, we are >afraid that the participants do not have enough time to respond after the >first >stimulus is presented. How can we solve this problem? You could try a , some machines are fast enough these days for it. You'll probably want to put a or some such thing in the parameter line and in each item where you want a delay of a different length include an appropriate . For instance: $ 0 "instuctions" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; ~3 ; 4 "correct" ; 5 "wrong" ; ~1000; $ +1001 "circle" * ; +1002 "cross" * ; +2001 "circle" * ; +2002 "cross" * ; $ 0 ¡§The End. Thank You.¡¨; $ Of course if you are going to be using bitmaps there's little chance that a bitmap will be read and displayed in a tick so you'll need to looking into the keyword and making DMDX buffer all your bitmaps. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 7 20:24:06 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA83NJ5L013569 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:23:35 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so457945nze for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.101.3 with SMTP id y3mr2084337nzb; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.18.40 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:23:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a0511071923o50a00f99lfa2b9587e8b3abf3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:23:15 -0600 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] feedback duration and delay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4625_21351622.1131420195935" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_Part_4625_21351622.1131420195935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In a previous post you indicated: #define FB_DELAY 2 /* delay of feedback signal */ #define FB_DUR 35 /* duration of feedback message (default) */ The delay before the feedback is likely to be longer than 2 ticks if your machine can't assemble the display that quickly though. You can change the default feedback duration with FBD in the header. Can you change the default for FB_Delay if you wanted to provide more time to assemble feedback to avoid slop in timing when using clearfeedback? J -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ------=_Part_4625_21351622.1131420195935 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
In a previous post you indicated:
#define FB_DELAY        2 &nbs= p;     /* delay of feedback signal */
#define FB_DUR=   35      /* duration of feedback message (de= fault) */

The delay before the feedback is likely to be longer than = 2 ticks if your machine can't assemble the display that quickly though.
 
You can change the default feedback duration with FBD in the header.&n= bsp; Can you change the default for FB_Delay if you wanted to provide more = time to assemble feedback to avoid slop in timing when using clearfeed= back?
 
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------=_Part_4625_21351622.1131420195935-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 8 06:06:02 2005 Received: from stamp.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (stamp.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.8.182]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA8D5W5L015921 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:05:33 -0700 Received: from stamp.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by stamp.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA8D5Qgo010873 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:05:26 +0800 Received: from stamp.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by stamp.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA8D5Peg010868 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:05:26 +0800 Received: (from apache@localhost) by stamp.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id jA8D5PoW010866 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:05:25 +0800 Received: from 058177124071.ctinets.com (058177124071.ctinets.com [58.177.124.71]) by webmail.cuhk.edu.hk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:05:25 +0800 Message-ID: <1131455125.4370a295e1fa2@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:05:25 +0800 From: s037627@mailserv.cuhk.edu.hk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=BIG5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for your reply. But we don't know how the effect of and can help us solve our problem. When we try running the lines you provided, we found that there is a long delay between "circle" and "cross". So our problem cannot be solved. In some trials the ISI is 10ms, what we want to achieve is that both the RTs for the circle and cross can be recorded. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 8 08:31:01 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA8FUK5L016648 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:30:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A0BBA5F04 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:30:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374F5BA82EB for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:30:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051108081913.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:30:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: feedback duration and delay In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a0511071923o50a00f99lfa2b9587e8b3abf3@mail.gmail.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:23 PM 11/7/2005 -0600, you wrote: >In a previous post you indicated: >#define FB_DELAY 2 /* delay of feedback signal */ >#define FB_DUR 35 /* duration of feedback message (default) */ > >The delay before the feedback is likely to be longer than 2 ticks if your >machine can't assemble the display that quickly though. > >You can change the default feedback duration with FBD in the header. Can >you change the default for FB_Delay if you wanted to provide more time to >assemble feedback to avoid slop in timing when using clearfeedback? Don't think so, can't imagine that I would have ever exposed that. If you want precision in the feedback you'll have to write a custom feedback routine on very similar fashion to the one I gave over the weekend only with more tests on lasXT for incorrect and too long. The delay from the item _should_ apply over all non-display items (ones with ~ for a CR indicator) so in your RT items you should be able specify the delay of the feedback and in the last item of the feedback that displays either the "wrong", "correct" or "too long" message you should be able to specify the delay of the next RT item. But everyone needs to bear in mind that unless you've deliberately made the display longer than the RT there's going to be a whole load of variability as the feedback is going to be scheduled from the RT and the RT isn't synchronized with the raster. So yesterday's request for a 10ms delay from RT to feedback isn't going to happen too often. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ I think, therefore I am. I think. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 8 08:33:37 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA8FXX5L016683 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:33:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6331BA8F75 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:33:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FA7BB3981 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:33:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051108083046.00bc68c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:33:20 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT In-Reply-To: <1131455125.4370a295e1fa2@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:05 PM 11/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Thanks for your reply. But we don't know how the effect of and >2> can help us solve our problem. When we try running the lines you provided, >we found that there is a long delay between "circle" and "cross". You probably need to put a in the line that sets counter 1 equal to the lastXT to override the default delay. > So our >problem cannot be solved. In some trials the ISI is 10ms, what we want to >achieve is that both the RTs for the circle and cross can be recorded. That's what is for. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ I think, therefore I am. I think. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 8 11:34:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA8IYK5L017818 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:34:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543DBB86F7A for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:34:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6A5B809C4 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:34:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051108111640.00ba4d80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 11:34:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] correction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list In my examples recently the usage I have given is wrong, the needs to be in the item that is to be delayed, not the item before. So this is wrong: +1001 "circle" * ; +1002 "cross" * ; +2001 "circle" * ; +2002 "cross" * ; It should be: +1001 "circle" * ; +1002 "cross" * ; +2001 "circle" * ; +2002 "cross" * ; Note also that must be pretty much the first thing in the item if it's used in an item, it's one of those lovely old pieces of code that harks from antiquity and using it any other way is fraught with unpredictability. For John's controlled feedback delay example the keywords should be in the items displaying the feedback like this: $ 0 "instructions" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; 3 "wrong" ; 4 "correct" ; 5 "too long" ; ~1000; $ +1001 "circle" * ; +2001 "circle" * ; Not that I think a there's a machine in existence today that can't prepare stock feedback in two ticks... /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. - anonymous From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 9 09:07:32 2005 Received: from web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com (web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.94.79]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id jA9G6i5L023474 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:06:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 7959 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2005 16:06:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20051109160639.7957.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [83.248.114.122] by web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:06:38 PST Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:06:38 -0800 (PST) From: Derek Eder Subject: [DMDX] script sharing? To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hellos, Does anyone have DMDX scripts for (1) a finger tapping or (2) Stroop tests which they would like to share? For my part I have well developed DMDX scripts for the PASAT (Paced Serial Addition Test - in English, Swedish, and Italian no less!) and Posner's Covert Orienting of Attention paradigm ... which I would likewise be happy to share. Warmest regards, Derek Eder Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org "In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few" - S. Suzuki __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 9 09:50:34 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA9GoP5L023737 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:50:25 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so218021nze for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.221.32 with SMTP id t32mr587259nzg; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.18.40 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:50:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a0511090850s640455a1qf26832b10a0847f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:50:21 -0600 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: script sharing? In-Reply-To: <20051109160639.7957.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9478_8002091.1131555021920" References: <20051109160639.7957.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_Part_9478_8002091.1131555021920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Derek (and other DMDX users), I am teaching a short grad course on DMDX scripting right now. As part of that course, the students and I are putting together a website with scripts that demonstrate various features of DMDX (much like some of the scripts on Mike Ford's website). We also intend to start to archive full scripts for a= n array of common tasks/paradigms. Just started teaching the course two weeks ago so the site is kinda fresh right now. You can view it at http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu/methods/DMDX/DMDXHelp.htm I would love to add scripts from others and will accept them via email (at jjcurtin@wisc.edu). Ideally, they should be commented to indicate function and details about the task, timing, number of trials, etc. These will hopefully serve as nice starting points for similar script development. I intend to keep this site public accessible and hope to improve on it during the class and afterwards to serve as a resource for everyone using DMDX. Always willing to take suggestions for helpful content as well. Derek, I do have a couple of Stroop scripts (generic, and one based on the Carter et al, trial type frequency manipulation). I will send this in an email to you directly. Best, John -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 On 11/9/05, Derek Eder wrote: > > Hellos, > > Does anyone have DMDX scripts for (1) a finger tapping > or (2) Stroop tests which they would like to share? > > For my part I have well developed DMDX scripts for the > PASAT (Paced Serial Addition Test - in English, > Swedish, and Italian no less!) and Posner's Covert > Orienting of Attention paradigm ... which I would > likewise be happy to share. > > Warmest regards, > > Derek Eder > > Derek Eder > Bagareg=E5rdsgatan 3E, nr 134 > SE 416 70 G=F6teborg (Gothenburg) > Sverige (Sweden) > > +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) > +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) > > email: derek_eder@yahoo.com > web page: www.derek-eder.org > > "In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's > mind there are few" - S. Suzuki > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ------=_Part_9478_8002091.1131555021920 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hi Derek (and other DMDX users),
I am teaching a short grad course on DMDX scripting right now.  A= s part of that course, the students and I are putting together a website wi= th scripts that demonstrate various features of DMDX (much like some of the= scripts on Mike Ford's website).  We also intend to start to archive = full scripts for an array of common tasks/paradigms.  Just started tea= ching the course two weeks ago so the site is kinda fresh right now.  = You can view it at=20
 
I would love to add scripts from others and will accept them via email= (at jjcurtin@wisc.edu).  Ide= ally, they should be commented to indicate function and details about&= nbsp;the task, timing, number of trials, etc.  These will hopeful= ly serve as nice starting points for similar script development.
 
I intend to keep this site public accessible and hope to improve on it= during the class and afterwards to serve as a resource for everyone using = DMDX.  Always willing to take suggestions for helpful content as well.
 
Derek, I do have a couple of Stroop scripts (generic, and one based on= the Carter et al, trial type frequency manipulation).  I will send th= is in an email to you directly.
 
Best, John
 
 
 


--
John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
Assistant Profe= ssor of Psychology
University of Wisconsin
1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706

Email: jjc= urtin@wisc.edu
Website: http://dionysu= s.psych.wisc.edu
Office: 608-262-0387
Lab: 608-262-5621
Cell= : 608-217-6221
Fax: 608-262-4029


On 11/9/05, = Derek Eder <derek_eder@yahoo= .com> wrote:
Hellos,

Does anyone have = DMDX scripts for (1) a finger tapping
or (2) Stroop tests which they wou= ld like to share?

For my part I have well developed DMDX scripts for the
PASAT (Pa= ced Serial Addition Test - in English,
Swedish, and Italian no less!) an= d Posner's Covert
Orienting of Attention paradigm ... which I would
likewise be happy to share.

Warmest regards,

Derek Eder
Derek Eder
Bagareg=E5rdsgatan 3E, nr 134
SE 416 70 G=F6teborg (Goth= enburg)
Sverige (Sweden)

+46 (031) 25 97 07 (home)
+46 0709 72= 1 283 (mobil)

email:     derek_eder@yahoo.com
web page:  www.derek-eder.org

"In the beginner's mind = there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few"&= nbsp; - S. Suzuki



__________________________________
Yahoo! FareChase: Sea= rch multiple travel sites in one click.
http://farechase.yahoo.com
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  Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word
'unsubscr= ibe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email
to be removed fro= m the list.  The list archive is available here:
         http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-b= in/DMDX/thread
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--
John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
Assistant Profes= sor of Psychology
University of Wisconsin
1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706

Email: jjcu= rtin@wisc.edu
Website: http://dionysu= s.psych.wisc.edu
Office: 608-262-0387
Lab: 608-262-5621
Cell= : 608-217-6221
Fax: 608-262-4029=20 ------=_Part_9478_8002091.1131555021920-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 9 09:58:12 2005 Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.234.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA9Gw65L023806 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:58:07 -0700 Received: from largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk (largo.ncl.ac.uk [10.8.234.184]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA9GvwWG002336 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:57:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5E54E.BC5A4398" Subject: [DMDX] scripts Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:57:58 -0000 Message-ID: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D42927@largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk> From: "Chris Letts" To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5E54E.BC5A4398 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm wrong !). What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, etc) in white columns. I then change all the commands as necessary before handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff ! P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to do the editing ! Chris Letts, Newcastle University. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5E54E.BC5A4398 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable scripts

What amazed me, when I started with = DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a = non-technical user to create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their = own purposes (please let me know if I'm wrong !).

What I've ended up doing is creating a = document template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic = commands in 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to = fill in (e.g. text, file names, etc) in white columns.  I then = change all the commands as necessary before handing over to the user to = do the mundane stuff !

P.S. of course once the template is = produced, you need to use WORDPAD to do the editing !

Chris = Letts,
Newcastle = University.


------_=_NextPart_001_01C5E54E.BC5A4398-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 9 10:06:22 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA9H6C5L023860 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:06:13 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so380487wra for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.23.16 with SMTP id a16mr1037972qbj; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.234.14 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:06:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:06:05 -0700 From: Dianne Patterson To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: scripts In-Reply-To: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D42927@largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_56903_17594022.1131555965389" References: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D42927@largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_Part_56903_17594022.1131555965389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sounds terrific, Chris! Are you willing to make your Word template availabl= e to the struggling masses? Thanks, Dianne On 11/9/05, Chris Letts wrote: > > What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobod= y > had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or > modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm wr= ong > !). > > What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using > tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, > leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, > etc) in white columns. I then change all the commands as necessary before > handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff ! > > P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to > do the editing ! > > *Chris Letts,* > *Newcastle University.* > > -- Dianne Patterson, Ph.D. Cognition and NeuroImaging labs University of Arizona 626-4571 (Office) ------=_Part_56903_17594022.1131555965389 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sounds terrific, Chris!  Are you willing to make your Word template av= ailable to the struggling masses?

Thanks,

Dianne

On 11/9/05, Chris Letts <Chris.Letts@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote:

What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm wrong !).

What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, etc) in white columns.  I then change all the commands as necessary before handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff !

P.S. of course once the template is prod= uced, you need to use WORDPAD to do the editing !

Chris Letts,<= /i>
Newcastle Universit= y.





--
Dianne Patterson= , Ph.D.
Cognition and NeuroImaging labs
University of Arizona
626-= 4571 (Office) ------=_Part_56903_17594022.1131555965389-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 9 12:46:55 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA9JkH5L024730 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:46:17 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F216B86267 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:46:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A756BB3332 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:46:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051109123942.00ba4d88@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:46:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: scripts In-Reply-To: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D42927@largo.campus.ncl. ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_-2043134765==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_-2043134765==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:57 PM 11/9/2005 +0000, you wrote: >What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody >had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or >modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm >wrong !). Various people have expressed a desire to do so throughout history, a number have even made tutorials (that we are thoroughly thankful for) and that are linked to from the DMDX Updates page. However a comprehensive work is a truly staggering amount of work and anyone that seriously investigates writing a manual for DMDX soon finds that out. There's a reason why the profession of technical writer exists and alas none of us are a member of it. So it hasn't happened. >What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using >tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, >leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, >etc) in white columns. I then change all the commands as necessary before >handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff ! > >P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to >do the editing ! > >Chris Letts, >Newcastle University. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Associate with well-mannered persons and your manners will improve. Run with decent folk and your own decent instincts will be strengthened. Keep the company of bums and you will become a bum. Hang around with rich people and you will end by picking up the check and dying broke. - Stanley Walker --=====================_-2043134765==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 04:57 PM 11/9/2005 +0000, you wrote:

What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm wrong !).

  Various people have expressed a desire to do so throughout history, a number have even made tutorials (that we are thoroughly thankful for) and that are linked to from the DMDX Updates page.  However a comprehensive work is a truly staggering amount of work and anyone that seriously investigates writing a manual for DMDX soon finds that out.  There's a reason why the profession of technical writer exists and alas none of us are a member of it.  So it hasn't happened.


What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, etc) in white columns.  I then change all the commands as necessary before handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff !

P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to do the editing !

Chris Letts,
Newcastle University.


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and dying broke.

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--=====================_-2043134765==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 9 13:10:51 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA9KAh5L024928 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:10:43 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so414060wra for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.222.11 with SMTP id z11mr1267167qbq; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.112.13 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:10:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:10:42 -0500 From: Yuval Marton To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] font size not WYSIWYG in DMDX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'd like to display text in a certain font size. E.g., 10 points Arial font (uppercase) is about 3 mm wide on an average screen in WYSIWYG programs such as MS-Word. However, in DMDX the text appears considerably larger. How can I control that? Can I make DMDX WYSIWYG font size-wise? my header line (in case you need it) is: s176 g4 f15 d5 t10000 Thanks, -Yuval. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 9 13:52:38 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA9KqF5L025219 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:52:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E91BBCA80 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:52:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61B0BBCABA for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:52:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051109135141.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:52:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: font size not WYSIWYG in DMDX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The keyword is what you're after. At 03:10 PM 11/9/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I'd like to display text in a certain font size. E.g., 10 points Arial >font (uppercase) is about 3 mm wide on an average screen in WYSIWYG >programs such as MS-Word. However, in DMDX the text appears >considerably larger. How can I control that? Can I make DMDX WYSIWYG >font size-wise? > >my header line (in case you need it) is: > s176 g4 f15 d5 t10000 +f> 1> > > >Thanks, >-Yuval. > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Associate with well-mannered persons and your manners will improve. Run with decent folk and your own decent instincts will be strengthened. Keep the company of bums and you will become a bum. Hang around with rich people and you will end by picking up the check and dying broke. - Stanley Walker From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 9 14:32:13 2005 Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA9LW45L025497 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:32:04 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01LV8ALRMWKG9KRTNQ@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:32:02 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from exchange.canterbury.ac.nz (cantwe1.giga.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.113]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LV8ALR2B1K8Z8BGE@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:32:01 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from exchange.canterbury.ac.nz ([132.181.2.110]) by exchange.canterbury.ac.nz with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:31:52 +1300 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:31:52 +1300 From: Mark Boettcher Subject: [DMDX] DMDX UI and New Software To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+kFQonnA/WXoTim5sYWM3g)" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_+kFQonnA/WXoTim5sYWM3g) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable A couple of years ago I proposed collaborating with Jonathan to produce a GUI front-end for DMDX. I thought then and still do that his approach using DirectX was the best way to do this sort of thing. For whatever reasons (maybe so other people don't screw up the code?), Jonathan keeps the source code pretty much to himself and wasn't willing to do this.=20 =20 As a result I started writing my own software package two years ago. As the programmer for the University of Canterbury (Christchurch, NZ) Psyc Dept I needed a general-purpose program that was easy to use with NO scripting required, able to provide sub-millisecond latencies for reaction timing, able to control display updates and timings accurate to one scan line and with the flexibility to add new modules so that any programmer able to create a DLL could create a new module for any special purpose.=20 =20 Example add-on modules already created and in use with the program include: one to generate Gabor patches on-the-fly, one to control an IView Eye Tracker and one to control a homebrew box for pigeons consisting of a 6" lcd, feed hopper, several lights and several switches and a touchscreen. The pigeon box has a 24-bit USB DIO box (US $100) to control lights and hoppers and get switch closures from pigeon pecks. Four of these boxes run on one PC concurrently and asynchronously. The researcher can actually run four independent and completely different experiments at once. The only limit is the number of PCI VGA cards we could stuff into the computer. =20 Standard built-in event modules include bitmap events which allow loading and display of almost any image format, text events which allow text in any font, orientation, color and size, branching events allowing unconditional and conditional jumps based on global variables or inputs and input events for key presses, mouse clicks, touchscreen, etc. Shortly audio and video event modules will be complete. One particularly strong feature is the ability to use 'sequence lists' which are lists of data either loaded from .CSV files or auto-generated. An example - I want to display an image, wait for key input, record key pressed and repeat 10 times. I would create a plain text file called, 'myimages.csv' which is just a list of file names, i.e., foo.jpg bar.png blech.bmp. In the sequence editor I attach this file to the bitmap event file name parameter and a new image will be displayed each time this event is executed. The sequence editor allows randomizing the list, assigning categories (too complicated to describe here) and also allows auto-generation of lists. Here is a more detailed example: =20 I add a 'Display Text' event. In the edit box used for the text to be displayed I right-click to bring up the Sequence Editor. I check the box to show random words from the built-in word list and type '5' in the length. When the experiment runs the user will see a different 5-letter common English word each time this event is executed. I can also add a sequence to the text color using a file to change the color of the text in a known order each time the event is executed.=20 =20 Years ago I wrote the 'VitalView' software at www.minimitter.com which does data collection and almost real-time analysis on up to 240 channels at 1000Hz simultaneously on a Windows 98 machine using Mini-Mitter's multiplexers. I also have many years experience in the computer gaming industry and was involved in the original DirectX design review before its initial release by Microsoft. I have used all of this experience to design this program from scratch. All code is written in C++ and targeted towards typical Windows XP machines less than 4 years old. Typical training time for someone using this for the first time to create and run an experiment is on the order of 30 minutes. After that I often don't hear from the researcher again until the experiment is finished. =20 If anyone is interested in trying this software out about the first of the year please email me directly at: mark.boettcher@canterbury.ac.nz and give me an idea of the research you're doing and the software requirements. The current version still lacks a lot of the features planned, but is stable and gives accurate data. =20 Cheers, =20 Mark Boettcher =20 ________________________________ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2005 8:46 a.m. To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: scripts =20 At 04:57 PM 11/9/2005 +0000, you wrote: What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm wrong !). Various people have expressed a desire to do so throughout history, a number have even made tutorials (that we are thoroughly thankful for) and that are linked to from the DMDX Updates page. However a comprehensive work is a truly staggering amount of work and anyone that seriously investigates writing a manual for DMDX soon finds that out. There's a reason why the profession of technical writer exists and alas none of us are a member of it. So it hasn't happened. What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, etc) in white columns. I then change all the commands as necessary before handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff ! P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to do the editing !=20 Chris Letts,=20 Newcastle University.=20 =20 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X=20 ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \=20 =20 Associate with well-mannered persons and your manners will improve. Run with decent folk and your own decent instincts will be strengthened. Keep the company of bums and you will become a bum. Hang around with rich people and you will end by picking up the check and dying broke. =20 - Stanley Walker =20 --Boundary_(ID_+kFQonnA/WXoTim5sYWM3g) Content-type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable --Boundary_(ID_+kFQonnA/WXoTim5sYWM3g)-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 9 16:58:57 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jA9NwQ5L026371 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:58:27 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so451553wri for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.113.1 with SMTP id q1mr141025qbm; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.112.13 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:58:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:58:25 -0500 From: Yuval Marton To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] More font problems (color and location) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list It is important for my experiment to display text in certain color (or grayscale). I am using WYSIWYG formatting of my stimuli. Problem 1: Sometimes, instead of displaying the text in, say, gray (as it is formatted), it is displayed in black. Problem 2: the display location is also important. Sometimes the text is not displayed in the right location (e.g., when it should be displayed a bit to the left (of fixation) it is displayed too far to the left). I have prepared a demo script, please let me know if and where you want me to send it. Thanks again, -Yuval. PS: Font size problem is solved (for my purposes), thanks! From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 9 22:09:56 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAA59O5L027756 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:09:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB222B93625 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:09:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E81BBCA54 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:09:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051109220548.00ba4700@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:09:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: More font problems (color and location) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:58 PM 11/9/2005 -0500, you wrote: >It is important for my experiment to display text in certain color (or >grayscale). I am using WYSIWYG formatting of my stimuli. > >Problem 1: Sometimes, instead of displaying the text in, say, gray (as >it is formatted), it is displayed in black. The best way to control color is specify it explicitly with . >Problem 2: the display location is also important. Sometimes the text >is not displayed in the right location (e.g., when it should be >displayed a bit to the left (of fixation) it is displayed too far to >the left). How are you specifying the display coordinates? I prefer to set to 1 and to use to control the position. >I have prepared a demo script, please let me know if and where you >want me to send it. > >Thanks again, >-Yuval. > >PS: Font size problem is solved (for my purposes), thanks! > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ I think, therefore I am. I think. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 10 05:22:52 2005 Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAACMI5L029549 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:22:18 -0700 Received: from ncs.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.36]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EaBPo-0004ln-0z for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:20:35 +0000 Received: from [137.222.61.139] (helo=[137.222.61.139]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51) id 1EaBPn-00056b-Fs for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:20:27 +0000 Message-ID: <43733B0A.1090102@bristol.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:20:26 +0000 From: Lucy Series MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] sound file problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I've been having problems with DMDX playing sound files since my computer crashed. The files themselves work fine on other applications, and have not been moved. DMDX will still run, and .bmp files are fine, but the sound files can't be heard. Is there a volume control specific to DMDX that could have been affected, or could this be a problem with it using the .wav files at all? Thanks, Lucy From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 10 07:38:09 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAAEbu5L030293 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:37:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A266DBA3AD2 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:37:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE7BBBCE5D for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:37:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051110073704.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:37:46 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: sound file problems In-Reply-To: <43733B0A.1090102@bristol.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:20 PM 11/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I've been having problems with DMDX playing sound files since my computer >crashed. The files themselves work fine on other applications, and have >not been moved. DMDX will still run, and .bmp files are fine, but the >sound files can't be heard. Is there a volume control specific to DMDX >that could have been affected, or could this be a problem with it using >the .wav files at all? There are volume controls in the control panel, DMDX tends to be the WAV device. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ I think, therefore I am. I think. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 10 07:41:18 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAAEfE5L030330 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:41:14 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n1so458967nzf for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.18.77 with SMTP id v77mr535328nzi; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.128.10 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:41:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:41:10 +0800 From: Hui Yui Chi To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=BIG5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thank for your quick reply. However, we still do not quite understandthe use of . When we write a program like this: $0 "instructions" ;~1 ;~2 ;3 "wrong" ;4 "correct" ;5 "too long" ;~1000;$+1001 "circle" * / ;+2001 "cross" * / ; $0 "The End. Thank You.";$ Under this program, the subject will see a word "circle" flash on thescreen first. If he press "A", a feedback "correct" with a RT isshown. However, the next stimulus will not be shown automatically. Thesubject need to press spacebar twice in order to make the nextstimulus appear. It seem that this program is far from our intention.We would like to make a experiment that shows two stimuli sequentiallywith ISI varied from 10ms to 500ms. While the subject need to press 2buttons in correct order so as to get a correct in each trial. Yet, wedon't know how and help us to attain these requirments. Although we have read about these 2 commands in the DMDX help website,we still not very understand. May you explain more? Thank From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 10 11:10:56 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAAIAF5L031464 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:10:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDCBB9390A for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:10:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC67CB92A84 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:10:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051110110907.00ba4dc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:10:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli, In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You need to put and in the parameter line. At 10:41 PM 11/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Thank for your quick reply. However, we still do not quite understandthe >use of . When we write a program like this: > > 0> >$0 "instructions" ;~1 >;~2 ;3 "wrong" >;4 "correct" ;5 "too long" >;~1000;$+1001 "circle" * / >;+2001 "cross" * / ; >$0 "The End. Thank You.";$ >Under this program, the subject will see a word "circle" flash on >thescreen first. If he press "A", a feedback "correct" with a RT isshown. >However, the next stimulus will not be shown automatically. Thesubject >need to press spacebar twice in order to make the nextstimulus appear. It >seem that this program is far from our intention.We would like to make a >experiment that shows two stimuli sequentiallywith ISI varied from 10ms to >500ms. While the subject need to press 2buttons in correct order so as to >get a correct in each trial. Yet, wedon't know how and help >us to attain these requirments. Although we have read about these 2 >commands in the DMDX help website,we still not very understand. May you >explain more? >Thank >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Associate with well-mannered persons and your manners will improve. Run with decent folk and your own decent instincts will be strengthened. Keep the company of bums and you will become a bum. Hang around with rich people and you will end by picking up the check and dying broke. - Stanley Walker From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 10 21:18:02 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAB4He5L002154 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:17:40 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so400676nze for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.91.8 with SMTP id o8mr945142nzb; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.128.10 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:17:34 +0800 From: Hui Yui Chi To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] port output MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am writing a program that use a light box which would connect to a laptop. I would like to use DMDX to control the flash rate of the light box via the laptop. How can i use DMDX to do this? From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 11 01:52:05 2005 Received: from web90102.mail.scd.yahoo.com (web90102.mail.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.94.73]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id jAB8pb5L003330 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:51:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 37759 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2005 08:51:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20051111085127.37757.qmail@web90102.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [83.248.114.122] by web90102.mail.scd.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:51:27 PST Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:51:27 -0800 (PST) From: Derek Eder Subject: [DMDX] Re: port output To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Hui Yui Chi, Desktop computer DMDX applications use a digital signal input/output card generally referred to as the "PIO". See "input" section of DMDX help. As a laptop user, you don't have this option (unless you have one of those Toshiba laptops from the 1980's that had an ISA slot ... oh yes, and a DMDX that runs on DOS :) Solution? I would use the laptop's sound "card" as an output "port" for "sending" "digital" control signals. Simply speaking, when you want to trigger the light box, you instruct DMDX to "play" a sound. You will have to determine the appropriate trigger signal for the light box and construct an interface. It is possible that the sound card could trigger a TTL level device directly (i.e., you might only need a cable). If you wanted the light box to flash at, for example, 6 (or 600) times per second for 1 minute, you can create a "sound" file with the corresponding "frequency" of triggers. I use the open source (free!) sound-editor program Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) for this very purpose. Audacity even comes in a Chinese version. Feel free to contact me privately if I can help you further. Best regards, Derek Eder --- Hui Yui Chi wrote: > I am writing a program that use a light box which > would connect to a > laptop. I would like to use DMDX to control the > flash rate of the > light box via the laptop. How can i use DMDX to do > this? Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org "In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few" - S. Suzuki __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 11 07:01:50 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jABE165L004829 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:01:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67450BB5AF3 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:01:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C54FBBDDD3 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:01:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051111065855.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:00:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: port output In-Reply-To: <20051111085127.37757.qmail@web90102.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:51 AM 11/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Dear Hui Yui Chi, > >Desktop computer DMDX applications use a digital >signal input/output card generally referred to as the >"PIO". See "input" section of DMDX help. > >As a laptop user, you don't have this option (unless >you have one of those Toshiba laptops from the 1980's >that had an ISA slot ... oh yes, and a DMDX that runs >on DOS :) You can buy PCMCIA output cards for all laptops, for instance a PC-CARD-DIO48: http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=156&pf%5Fid=1422&mscssid=KC5QJ34ENAA59LSKRWMB3DJGBBKB92C1 /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ I think, therefore I am. I think. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 11 07:58:44 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jABEwV5L005175 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:58:31 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so532004nze for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.101.20 with SMTP id y20mr1366729nzb; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.128.10 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:58:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:58:31 +0800 From: Hui Yui Chi To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: port output MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list What is the function of a PCMCIA output cards? From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 11 08:06:47 2005 Received: from web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com (web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.94.81]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with SMTP id jABF6c5L005230 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:06:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 1397 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2005 15:06:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20051111150627.1395.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [83.248.114.122] by web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:06:27 PST Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:06:27 -0800 (PST) From: Derek Eder Subject: [DMDX] Re: port output To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051111065855.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > You can buy PCMCIA output cards for all laptops, > for instance a PC-CARD-DIO48: Oh boy! Don't I feel the fool! How could I have overlooked PCMCIA? (although my solution is rather easier and cheaper :) - Derek I think not therefore I am not, therefore I dissapear. - Frederik DerDaele Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org "In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few" - S. Suzuki __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 11 10:42:28 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jABHfv5L005986 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:41:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDD3B9FE04 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:41:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E34DBB3D49 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:41:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051111103847.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:41:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: port output In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:58 PM 11/11/2005 +0800, you wrote: >What is the function of a PCMCIA output cards? They allow DMDX to control 24 TTL level outputs. Some for input, some for output. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ I think, therefore I am. I think. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 14 06:36:33 2005 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.8.181]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAEDZo5L023947 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:35:51 -0700 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAEDZimO016498 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:35:44 +0800 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAEDZiAu016493 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:35:44 +0800 Received: (from apache@localhost) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id jAEDZiuP016491 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:35:44 +0800 Received: from 058177124071.ctinets.com (058177124071.ctinets.com [58.177.124.71]) by webmail.cuhk.edu.hk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:35:44 +0800 Message-ID: <1131975344.437892b0275be@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:35:44 +0800 From: s037627@mailserv.cuhk.edu.hk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=BIG5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list $ 0 "instructions" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; 3 "wrong" ; 4 "correct" ; 5 "too long" ; ~1000; $ +1001 "circle" * / ; +2001 "cross" * / ; $ 0 ¡§The End. Thank You.¡¨; $ Thanks for your replies. But when we run the above lines, with and added, we found another problem. Now "circle" and "cross" are a set of sequential stimuli. But "cross" will not be displayed unless a response is made after the presentation of "circle". That is, "cross" displays only after a response is made for "circle". So we cannot manipulate the ISI between "circle" and "cross". What we want to achieve is to manipulate the ISI, such as 10ms, 50ms, etc. Could you give us some recommendation? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 14 07:34:17 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAEEY85L024313 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:34:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BCCBC2FDD for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:34:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99096BC2FE8 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:34:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051114072808.00ba47e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:33:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli In-Reply-To: <1131975344.437892b0275be@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:35 PM 11/14/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Now "circle" and "cross" are a set of sequential stimuli. But "cross" will not >be displayed unless a response is made after the presentation of "circle". >That >is, "cross" displays only after a response is made for "circle". So we cannot >manipulate the ISI between "circle" and "cross". What we want to achieve is to >manipulate the ISI, such as 10ms, 50ms, etc. Could you give us some >recommendation? Thanks. You just can't do it and provide feedback. You can either gather multiple responses to a display sequence and deal with them afterwards using or you have one display sequence per response. There is no other solution using DMDX. $ 0 "instructions" ; $ +1001 "circle" * / "cross" ; $ 0 ¡§The End. Thank You.¡¨; $ /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? - George Carlin From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 14 21:40:25 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.203]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAF4dl5L028871 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:39:48 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n1so1489691nzf for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.101.20 with SMTP id y20mr4836070nzb; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.128.10 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:39:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:39:44 +0800 From: Hui Yui Chi To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for your help. We understand that it seem impossible to give feedback in our experiement. So we give up trying yo give feedback and use we write the program like this: $ 0 "instructions" ; $ +1001 "circle" * / "blank"/ "cross" ; +1002 "circle" * / "blank"/ "cross" ; $ 0 "The End. Thank You."; $ it is useful as we can vary the ISI and collect 2 response time. Yet, at the end of each trial, we need to press space bar so as to go to the next trial. Can we write a programme that the next trial automatically shows up after pressing the response keys which is A & L in this programme but not space bar? Thanks From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 15 05:51:42 2005 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.8.181]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAFCp65L030887 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:51:07 -0700 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAFCp1mO010658 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:51:01 +0800 Received: from envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAFCp0Au010653 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:51:00 +0800 Received: (from apache@localhost) by envelope.itsc.cuhk.edu.hk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id jAFCp0P0010651 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:51:00 +0800 Received: from 058177124071.ctinets.com (058177124071.ctinets.com [58.177.124.71]) by webmail.cuhk.edu.hk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:51:00 +0800 Message-ID: <1132059060.4379d9b4b718a@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:51:00 +0800 From: s037627@mailserv.cuhk.edu.hk To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=BIG5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list we write the program like this: $ 0 "instructions" ; $ +1001 "circle" * / "blank"/ "cross" ; +1002 "circle" * / "blank"/ "cross" ; $ 0 "The End. Thank You."; $ But the result shows the following error: "Subject 1, 11/15/2005 20:41:14 on PC, refresh 16.63ms ! Display error at msec 70.39, tick 3 in item 0, frame "instructions" ! moved into video memory 1 tick late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Item 1001 823.06,+A 1571.99,+A Item 1002 1415.24,+A 1745.88,+A 2224.47" Why is there a display error? How to get rid of it? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 15 08:59:17 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAFFwa5L031930 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:58:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC05BBAB09 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:58:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BBEBA95CC for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:58:35 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051115085752.00ba4808@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:58:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Put in the parameter line. At 12:39 PM 11/15/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Thanks for your help. We understand that it seem impossible to give >feedback in our experiement. So we give up trying yo give feedback and >use > >we write the program like this: > > > >$ >0 "instructions" ; >$ >+1001 "circle" * / "blank"/ "cross" ; >+1002 "circle" * / "blank"/ "cross" ; >$ >0 "The End. Thank You."; >$ > >it is useful as we can vary the ISI and collect 2 response time. Yet, >at the end of each trial, we need to press space bar so as to go to >the next trial. Can we write a programme that the next trial >automatically shows up after pressing the response keys which is A & L >in this programme but not space bar? > >Thanks > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? - George Carlin From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 15 09:00:17 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAFG0E5L031956 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:00:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E40BC23E3 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3892FBBD305 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:00:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051115085830.00bc7008@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:00:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli In-Reply-To: <1132059060.4379d9b4b718a@webmail.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list As I mentioned recently a lot of machines have significant DirectX video mode related start up times so when using quite often the first item will have a display error. Seeing as the first item is usually instructions this is of no consequence. At 08:51 PM 11/15/2005 +0800, you wrote: >we write the program like this: > > > > >$ >0 "instructions" ; >$ >+1001 "circle" * / "blank"/ "cross" ; >+1002 "circle" * / "blank"/ "cross" ; >$ >0 "The End. Thank You."; >$ > >But the result shows the following error: > > >"Subject 1, 11/15/2005 20:41:14 on PC, refresh 16.63ms >! Display error at msec 70.39, tick 3 in item 0, frame "instructions" >! moved into video memory 1 tick late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >Item 1001 > 823.06,+A 1571.99,+A >Item 1002 > 1415.24,+A 1745.88,+A 2224.47" > > >Why is there a display error? How to get rid of it? Thanks. > > > >------------------------------------------------- >This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? - George Carlin From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 15 12:28:26 2005 Received: from fed1rmmtai02.cox.net (fed1rmmtai02.cox.net [68.230.241.57]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAFJS25L000766 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:28:03 -0700 Received: from sharon ([68.105.129.98]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20051115183824.OQGR17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@sharon> for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:38:24 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c5ea14$b897aa80$0101a8c0@sharon> From: "Shiaohui Chan" To: Subject: [DMDX] 3-button mouse? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:45:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C5E9DA.0BFA42E0" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C5E9DA.0BFA42E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I am thinking of using a three-button mouse as the input device. When I = use a mouse with a rolling thing in the middle (don't know if there is a = name for this kind of mouse), TimeDX can detect all the three buttons. = However, when I use a "real" 3-button mouse (people who use UNIX might = be more familiar with this kind of mouse), TimeDX cannot detect the = middle button. Does anyone know what the problem might be? The "real" = 3-button mouse is kind of old (maybe 5 years old already). Could that = be the problem? thanks, shiaohui ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shiaohui Chan Ph.D. Program Department of Linguistics University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C5E9DA.0BFA42E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
 
I am thinking of using a = three-button mouse=20 as the input device.  When I use a mouse with a rolling = thing in=20 the middle (don't know if there is a name for this kind of mouse), = TimeDX can=20 detect all the three buttons.  However, when I use a "real" = 3-button mouse=20 (people who use UNIX might be more familiar with this kind of mouse), = TimeDX=20 cannot detect the middle button.  Does anyone know what the problem = might=20 be?  The "real" 3-button = mouse is kind=20 of old (maybe 5 years old already).  Could that be the=20 problem?
 
thanks,
shiaohui

A couple of years ago I proposed collaborating with Jonathan to produce a GUI front-end for DMDX. I = thought then and still do that his approach using DirectX was the best way to do this = sort of thing. For whatever reasons (maybe so other people don’t screw = up the code?), Jonathan keeps the source code pretty much to himself and = wasn’t willing to do this.

 

As a result I started writing my = own software package two years ago. As the programmer for the University of Canterbury (Christchurch, NZ) Psyc Dept I needed a general-purpose = program that was easy to use with NO scripting required, able to provide = sub-millisecond latencies for reaction timing, able to control display updates and = timings accurate to one scan line and with the flexibility to add new modules so = that any programmer able to create a DLL could create a new module for any = special purpose.

 

Example add-on modules already = created and in use with the program include: one to generate Gabor patches = on-the-fly, one to control an IView Eye Tracker and one to control a homebrew box for = pigeons consisting of a 6” lcd, feed hopper, several lights and several = switches and a touchscreen. The pigeon box has a 24-bit USB DIO box (US $100) to = control lights and hoppers and get switch closures from pigeon pecks. Four of = these boxes run on one PC concurrently and asynchronously. The researcher can = actually run four independent and completely different experiments at once. The only = limit is the number of PCI VGA cards we could stuff into the = computer.

 

Standard built-in event modules = include bitmap events which allow loading and display of almost any image = format, text events which allow text in any font, orientation, color and size, = branching events allowing unconditional and conditional jumps based on global = variables or inputs and input events for key presses, mouse clicks, touchscreen, = etc. Shortly audio and video event modules will be complete. One particularly strong = feature is the ability to use ‘sequence lists’ which are lists of = data either loaded from .CSV files or auto-generated. An example – I = want to display an image, wait for key input, record key pressed and repeat 10 = times. I would create a plain text file called, ‘myimages.csv’ which = is just a list of file names, i.e., foo.jpg bar.png blech.bmp. In the sequence = editor I attach this file to the bitmap event file name parameter and a new image = will be displayed each time this event is executed. The sequence editor = allows randomizing the list, assigning categories (too complicated to describe = here) and also allows auto-generation of lists. Here is a more detailed = example:

 

I add a ‘Display Text’ = event. In the edit box used for the text to be displayed I right-click to bring = up the Sequence Editor. I check the box to show random words from the built-in = word list and type ‘5’ in the length. When the experiment runs = the user will see a different 5-letter common English word each time this event = is executed. I can also add a sequence to the text color using a file to = change the color of the text in a known order each time the event is executed. =

 

Years ago I wrote the = ‘VitalView’ software at www.minimitter.com which does data collection and almost real-time analysis on up to 240 channels = at 1000Hz simultaneously on a Windows 98 machine using Mini-Mitter’s = multiplexers. I also have many years experience in the computer gaming industry and = was involved in the original DirectX design review before its initial release by = Microsoft. I have used all of this experience to design this program from scratch. = All code is written in C++ and targeted towards typical Windows XP machines less = than 4 years old. Typical training time for someone using this for the first = time to create and run an experiment is on the order of 30 minutes. After that I = often don’t hear from the researcher again until the experiment is = finished.

 

If anyone is interested in trying = this software out about the first of the year please email me directly at: mark.boettcher@canterbury= .ac.nz and give me an idea of the research you’re doing and the software = requirements. The current version still lacks a lot of the features planned, but is = stable and gives accurate data.

 

Cheers,

=

 

Mark = Boettcher

 

From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu = [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. = Forster
Sent: Thursday, 10 = November 2005 8:46 a.m.
To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: [DMDX] Re: = scripts

 

At 04:57 PM 11/9/2005 +0000, you wrote:


What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long = ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to = create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me = know if I'm wrong !).


  Various people have expressed a desire to do so throughout = history, a number have even made tutorials (that we are thoroughly thankful for) = and that are linked to from the DMDX Updates page.  However a comprehensive = work is a truly staggering amount of work and anyone that seriously investigates writing a manual for DMDX soon finds that out.  There's a reason = why the profession of technical writer exists and alas none of us are a member = of it.  So it hasn't happened.



What I've ended up doing is creating a document = template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file = names, etc) in white columns.  I then change all the commands as necessary = before handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff !

P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to do = the editing !

Chris = Letts,
Newcastle = University. =

 

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and dying broke.

 

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Shiaohui=20 Chan
Ph.D. Program
Department of Linguistics
University of=20 Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C5E9DA.0BFA42E0-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 15 14:47:20 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAFLl35L001624 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:47:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAB8BAAA7C for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21132BA7056 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:47:02 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051115142744.00ba4d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:46:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: 3-button mouse? In-Reply-To: <005101c5ea14$b897aa80$0101a8c0@sharon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_105712718==_.ALT" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_105712718==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:45 AM 11/15/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I am thinking of using a three-button mouse as the input device. When I >use a mouse with a rolling thing in the middle (don't know if there is a >name for this kind of mouse), TimeDX can detect all the three >buttons. However, when I use a "real" 3-button mouse (people who use UNIX >might be more familiar with this kind of mouse), TimeDX cannot detect the >middle button. Does anyone know what the problem might be? The "real" >3-button mouse is kind of old (maybe 5 years old already). Could that be >the problem? Windows doesn't use the middle button to speak of so a legacy device like that won't be exposing it's middle button without specific drivers for that mouse. If you want more than two buttons a USB gamepad is a good way to go. There are also speciality keyboards I've seen on the web if you're not interested in accurate RTs. I've also fabricated button boxes that plug into PIO cards -- but I'm not cheap, quite the opposite in fact. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Life's the same, except for the shoes. - The Cars --=====================_105712718==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:45 AM 11/15/2005 -0700, you wrote:
Hi All,
 
I am thinking of using a three-button mouse as the input device.  When I use a mouse with a rolling thing in the middle (don't know if there is a name for this kind of mouse), TimeDX can detect all the three buttons.  However, when I use a "real" 3-button mouse (people who use UNIX might be more familiar with this kind of mouse), TimeDX cannot detect the middle button.  Does anyone know what the problem might be?  The "real" 3-button mouse is kind of old (maybe 5 years old already).  Could that be the problem?

Windows doesn't use the middle button to speak of so a legacy device like that won't be exposing it's middle button without specific drivers for that mouse.  If you want more than two buttons a USB gamepad is a good way to go.  There are also speciality keyboards I've seen on the web if you're not interested in accurate RTs.  I've also fabricated button boxes that plug into PIO cards -- but I'm not cheap, quite the opposite in fact.


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--=====================_105712718==_.ALT-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 16 07:09:38 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAGE8s5L006229 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:08:57 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EcNy1-0003n1-JD for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:08:53 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.1.20051116135952.02fbaa80@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:08:55 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] TimeDX & Windows XP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, We are still having trouble making TimeDX work properly with Windows XP. On some machines everything seems to work fine, on others it doesn't and sometimes it depends on the videomode. The latest discovery is that things can fail in the vertical retrace sync test, but then are fine when we do the tachistiscopic acid test. The problem in the vertical retrace test (or 'Time video mode' test) is that the reported sleep times are often much longer than the requested sleep time, resulting in many timeouts and multiply timeouts. These things son't happen at all in the acid test, even with demanding settings. Aren't the vertical retrace test and the tachistiscopic acid test supposed to use the same underlying code? And isn't the latter supposed to be more demanding? These results are a bit puzzling and seem to indicate that the vertical retrace test isn't working correctly. Another reason to think that this is the case is the fact that no problems have been reported yet for that specific machine when using DMDX. Maarten From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 16 08:47:10 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAGFkx5L006798 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:46:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEA1BC48C9 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:46:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D40BB2E56 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:46:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051116082102.00ba4800@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:46:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: TimeDX & Windows XP In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.1.20051116135952.02fbaa80@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The Vertical Sync Test is actually the most demanding thing that exists because it blits whole video screens of diagnostics as often as it can. The Tachistoscopic Acid Test on the other hand merely blits the region of the screen that is changing, the text and the immediate area around it. The Tachistoscopic Acid Test is designed to behave as DMDX would under it's most demanding situations whereas the Vertical Sync Test is testing whether we can sync with the video card and unfortunately the amount of diagnostic spew it makes presents a bit of a strain on some machines, it's not designed to behave like DMDX does. That is why DMDX executes just fine, it is closer to the Tachistoscopic Acid Test in execution. The Vertical Sync Test would have to be de-tuned quite a bit to get it down to normal loads and I haven't bothered to do it because of all the users you are the only one to have ever noticed -- and it would interfere with the test. So it stands as is. I spent quite some time tracking down what was happening there and watching the machines around here that reported unusually long sleep times (it's not uncommon) and finally figured out what's happening and it's non issue. You can use test modes 2, 3 and 4 to monitor what's happening as DMDX runs but I'll bet they're fine as you see the Tachistoscopic Acid Test is just fine. At 02:08 PM 11/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >We are still having trouble making TimeDX work properly with >Windows XP. On some machines everything seems to work fine, on >others it doesn't and sometimes it depends on the videomode. > >The latest discovery is that things can fail in the vertical retrace sync >test, >but then are fine when we do the tachistiscopic acid test. > >The problem in the vertical retrace test (or 'Time video mode' test) is that >the reported sleep times are often much longer than the requested sleep >time, resulting in many timeouts and multiply timeouts. These things >son't happen at all in the acid test, even with demanding settings. > >Aren't the vertical retrace test and the tachistiscopic acid test supposed >to use the same underlying code? And isn't the latter supposed to be more >demanding? These results are a bit puzzling and seem to indicate that the >vertical retrace test isn't working correctly. > >Another reason to think that this is the case is the fact that no problems >have been reported yet for that specific machine when using DMDX. > >Maarten > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented Scotch. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 16 09:47:49 2005 Received: from salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAGGkj5L007303 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:46:45 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by salm.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EcQQm-0005W4-41 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:46:44 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.1.20051116164229.03003650@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:46:46 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: TimeDX & Windows XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051116082102.00ba4800@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <6.2.3.4.1.20051116135952.02fbaa80@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20051116082102.00ba4800@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Jonathan, that makes things clearer. I was under the impression that the acid test was less of a load than the retrace test, but if things are the other way around it makes perfect sense again. Certainly now that you''ve told us that these long sleep times are not uncommon and nothing to worry about. I'll just run the acid test from now on, and if that one runs fine I'll stop worrying. Thanks again, Maarten At 15:46 16/11/2005, you wrote: >The Vertical Sync Test is actually the most demanding thing that >exists because it blits whole video screens of diagnostics as often >as it can. The Tachistoscopic Acid Test on the other hand merely >blits the region of the screen that is changing, the text and the >immediate area around it. The Tachistoscopic Acid Test is designed >to behave as DMDX would under it's most demanding situations whereas >the Vertical Sync Test is testing whether we can sync with the video >card and unfortunately the amount of diagnostic spew it makes >presents a bit of a strain on some machines, it's not designed to >behave like DMDX does. That is why DMDX executes just fine, it is >closer to the Tachistoscopic Acid Test in execution. The Vertical >Sync Test would have to be de-tuned quite a bit to get it down to >normal loads and I haven't bothered to do it because of all the >users you are the only one to have ever noticed -- and it would >interfere with the test. So it stands as is. I spent quite some >time tracking down what was happening there and watching the >machines around here that reported unusually long sleep times (it's >not uncommon) and finally figured out what's happening and it's non >issue. You can use test modes 2, 3 and 4 to monitor what's >happening as DMDX runs but I'll bet they're fine as you see the >Tachistoscopic Acid Test is just fine. > >At 02:08 PM 11/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>We are still having trouble making TimeDX work properly with >>Windows XP. On some machines everything seems to work fine, on >>others it doesn't and sometimes it depends on the videomode. >> >>The latest discovery is that things can fail in the vertical >>retrace sync test, >>but then are fine when we do the tachistiscopic acid test. >> >>The problem in the vertical retrace test (or 'Time video mode' test) is that >>the reported sleep times are often much longer than the requested sleep >>time, resulting in many timeouts and multiply timeouts. These things >>son't happen at all in the acid test, even with demanding settings. >> >>Aren't the vertical retrace test and the tachistiscopic acid test supposed >>to use the same underlying code? And isn't the latter supposed to be more >>demanding? These results are a bit puzzling and seem to indicate that the >>vertical retrace test isn't working correctly. >> >>Another reason to think that this is the case is the fact that no problems >>have been reported yet for that specific machine when using DMDX. >> >>Maarten >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented >Scotch. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 16 16:31:08 2005 Received: from md0.mail.umd.edu (IDENT:mirapoint@md0.mail.umd.edu [128.8.31.162]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAGNUH5L009876 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:30:18 -0700 Received: from po0.mail.umd.edu (po0.mail.umd.edu [128.8.31.164]) by md0.mail.umd.edu (MOS 3.5.9-GR) with ESMTP id CAF32585; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.2.53.87 by po0.mail.umd.edu (MOS 3.5.9-GR) with HTTPS/1.1; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:30:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:30:16 -0500 From: Subject: [DMDX] Video problems - DMDX crashes immediately To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <12ea9677.5c5751c8.81a3600@po0.mail.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I'm trying to run a simple repetition priming experiment in American Sign Language. For that, I need to present a prime video and a target video. I constructed the script file beforehand, based on a previous one I had, just modifying the relevant parts. I tested the script with some dummy videos I had. It worked. When I got my first actual videos (i.e., the ones I would be using for the experiment), I ran a couple on TimeDX test mode, and everything was displayed correctly. But when I tried to run the script with the full list of materials, DMDX crashed immediately, whether I was checking the syntax or trying to run it directly. I tried reducing the number of items in my list, thinking that it might be a memory issue. Instead, I found out that the problem is not the number of items, but simply that some trial lines will make DMDX invariably crash, while others won't. I really don't get it, since all the trial lines are all identical, just the name of the files are different. And to make things worse, if I run the problematic files on TimeDX or in a separate script that just displays them, everything works out fine. Has anyone ran into a similar problem? Any ideas of what the problem might be? I'm using AVI files, btw. I know the computer is a Pentium 4 with 1GB RAM, but I don't remember the video card specs from the top of my head (I'm at home right now, which is also the reason I can't send my script code on this mail). I can post the correct specs and the script code first thing in the morning, if necessary. Thanks in advance for any help. best, Diogo _____________________________________________ Diogo Almeida - diogo@wam.umd.edu Cognitive Neuroscience of Language Laboratory Department of Linguistics University of Maryland From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 16 18:37:58 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAH1bk5L010732 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:37:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A714BB65B2 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:37:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01FCBC61CA for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:37:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051116183304.00ba4800@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:37:41 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Video problems - DMDX crashes immediately In-Reply-To: <12ea9677.5c5751c8.81a3600@po0.mail.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:30 PM 11/16/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to run a simple repetition priming experiment in >American Sign Language. For that, I need to present a prime >video and a target video. I constructed the script file >beforehand, based on a previous one I had, just modifying the >relevant parts. > >I tested the script with some dummy videos I had. It worked. > >When I got my first actual videos (i.e., the ones I would be >using for the experiment), I ran a couple on TimeDX test mode, >and everything was displayed correctly. > >But when I tried to run the script with the full list of >materials, DMDX crashed immediately, whether I was checking >the syntax or trying to run it directly. DMDX does a few things differently to TimeDX so it's possible that some evil encoding scheme might work with TimeDX but tosses DMDX for a loop. >I tried reducing the number of items in my list, thinking that >it might be a memory issue. Instead, I found out that the >problem is not the number of items, but simply that some trial >lines will make DMDX invariably crash, while others won't. > >I really don't get it, since all the trial lines are all >identical, just the name of the files are different. And to >make things worse, if I run the problematic files on TimeDX or >in a separate script that just displays them, everything works >out fine. > >Has anyone ran into a similar problem? Not that I've heard of. Other problems, yes (invariably the result of some evil video codec) but not quite like you're describing. You might try in the parameter line and see if that clears things up -- but I'm not holding my breath. > Any ideas of what the >problem might be? > >I'm using AVI files, btw. I know the computer is a Pentium 4 >with 1GB RAM, but I don't remember the video card specs from >the top of my head (I'm at home right now, which is also the >reason I can't send my script code on this mail). > >I can post the correct specs and the script code first thing >in the morning, if necessary. I'm guessing you'll have to post a section of your item file and we'll see if there's anything odd with it. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented Scotch. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 17 04:11:57 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAHBBW5L013040 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:11:33 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Echfw-0003VT-4z for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:11:32 +0000 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1Echfv-00010B-Sd for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:11:32 +0000 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:11:31 +0000 Message-ID: <1132225891.437c6563c9be9@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:11:31 +0000 From: V Nguyen To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Move to next item References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082253.00bc7a20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082253.00bc7a20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Sir, The response time in my experiments is 10 second to choose a picture. So, for example, if after the first chosen one, we want to move to next item and I write the file like below but it doesn't run as expected. (I've added some parts from your suggestion a month ago) 0 "start" ; 1 ! "black" ; 2 ! "black" ; 3 ! "black" ; +100 "picture1" , "picture2" , "picture3" * ; +101 ! * ; +102 ! * ; 1001 ; +200 "picture1" , "picture2" , "picture3" * ; +201 ! * ; +202 ! * ; 1002 ; +300 "picture1" , "picture2" , "picture3" * ; +301 ! * ; +302 ! * ; 1003 ; ... Could you please tell me how to solve this problem. Thank you, Binh Nguyen-Van Quoting "j.c.f." : > At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > 0 "start" ; > > > > > > 1 ! "black" ; > > > 2 ! "black" ; > > > 3 ! "black" ; > > > > > > +100 "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > "picture3" * ; > > > +101 ! * ; > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any > time > > > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than once > > and > > > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. > > And then sometime last night (probably sitting in meditation) I realized > that you could selectively bind and then unbind response keys so they > couldn't make the same response twice like this: > > > > 0 "start" ; > > 1 ! "black" ; > 2 ! "black" ; > 3 ! "black" ; > > +100 > "picture1" , "picture2" , > "picture3" * ; > +101 ! * ; > +102 ! * ; > > > +200 > "picture1" , "picture2" , > "picture3" * ; > +201 ! * ; > +202 ! * ; > > Of course this solution allows > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > The bug stops here. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 17 08:24:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAHFOC5L014150 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:24:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA37BB9F696 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F920B55A82 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:24:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051117082226.00ba4800@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:24:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Move to next item In-Reply-To: <1132225891.437c6563c9be9@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082253.00bc7a20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082253.00bc7a20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You will want in the parameter line. At 11:11 AM 11/17/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >The response time in my experiments is 10 second to choose a picture. So, for >example, if after the first chosen one, we want to move to next item and I >write the file like below but it doesn't run as expected. (I've added some >parts from your suggestion a month ago) > > > > >0 "start" ; > >1 ! "black" ; >2 ! "black" ; >3 ! "black" ; > >+100 > "picture1" , "picture2" , > "picture3" * ; >+101 ! * ; >+102 ! * ; >1001 ; > >+200 > "picture1" , "picture2" , > "picture3" * ; >+201 ! * ; >+202 ! * ; >1002 ; > >+300 > "picture1" , "picture2" , > "picture3" * ; >+301 ! * ; >+302 ! * ; >1003 ; > >.. > >Could you please tell me how to solve this problem. > >Thank you, > >Binh Nguyen-Van > > > >Quoting "j.c.f." : > > > At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 "start" ; > > > > > > > > 1 ! "black" ; > > > > 2 ! "black" ; > > > > 3 ! "black" ; > > > > > > > > +100 "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > > "picture3" * ; > > > > +101 ! * ; > > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any > > time > > > > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than > once > > > and > > > > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. > > > > And then sometime last night (probably sitting in meditation) I > realized > > that you could selectively bind and then unbind response keys so they > > couldn't make the same response twice like this: > > > > > > > > 0 "start" ; > > > > 1 ! "black" ; > > 2 ! "black" ; > > 3 ! "black" ; > > > > +100 > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > "picture3" * ; > > +101 ! * ; > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > +200 > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > "picture3" * ; > > +201 ! * ; > > +202 ! * ; > > > > Of course this solution allows > > > > /"\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > > > The bug stops here. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented Scotch. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 17 10:22:51 2005 Received: from marmot.shef.ac.uk (marmot.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAHHMD5L014798 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:22:13 -0700 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.2.64]) by marmot.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EcnSe-0003Og-NU for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:22:12 +0000 Received: from http by drake.shef.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.42) id 1EcnSe-0004FH-Dy for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:22:12 +0000 Received: from drake.shef.ac.uk (drake.shef.ac.uk [143.167.2.64]) by 143.167.2.64 (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:22:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1132248132.437cbc445e641@webmail.shef.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:22:12 +0000 From: V Nguyen To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Move to next item References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082253.00bc7a20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082253.00bc7a20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051117082226.00ba4800@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051117082226.00ba4800@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Sir, Could you plaese check it one more time. The parameter line likes this: but no thing better. Kind regards, Binh Nguyen-Van Quoting "j.c.f." : > > You will want in the parameter line. > > At 11:11 AM 11/17/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >Dear Sir, > > > >The response time in my experiments is 10 second to choose a picture. So, > for > >example, if after the first chosen one, we want to move to next item and I > >write the file like below but it doesn't run as expected. (I've added some > >parts from your suggestion a month ago) > > > > > > > > > >0 "start" ; > > > >1 ! "black" ; > >2 ! "black" ; > >3 ! "black" ; > > > >+100 > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > "picture3" * ; > >+101 ! * ; > >+102 ! * ; > >1001 ; > > > >+200 > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > "picture3" * ; > >+201 ! * ; > >+202 ! * ; > >1002 ; > > > >+300 > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > "picture3" * ; > >+301 ! * ; > >+302 ! * ; > >1003 ; > > > >.. > > > >Could you please tell me how to solve this problem. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Binh Nguyen-Van > > > > > > > >Quoting "j.c.f." : > > > > > At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 "start" ; > > > > > > > > > > 1 ! "black" ; > > > > > 2 ! "black" ; > > > > > 3 ! "black" ; > > > > > > > > > > +100 "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > > > "picture3" * ; > > > > > +101 ! * ; > > > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > > > > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any > > > time > > > > > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than > > once > > > > and > > > > > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. > > > > > > And then sometime last night (probably sitting in meditation) I > > realized > > > that you could selectively bind and then unbind response keys so they > > > couldn't make the same response twice like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 "start" ; > > > > > > 1 ! "black" ; > > > 2 ! "black" ; > > > 3 ! "black" ; > > > > > > +100 > > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > "picture3" * ; > > > +101 ! * ; > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > > > > +200 > > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > "picture3" * ; > > > +201 ! * ; > > > +202 ! * ; > > > > > > Of course this solution allows > > > > > > /"\ > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > > > X > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > > > > > The bug stops here. > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented > Scotch. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 17 16:16:33 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAHMZn5L016541 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:35:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D984DBC7E9D for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:35:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEA8BC3F4E for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:35:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051117153507.00ba4858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:35:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Move to next item In-Reply-To: <1132248132.437cbc445e641@webmail.shef.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051117082226.00ba4800@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082253.00bc7a20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051012084830.00ba4888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051013082253.00bc7a20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051117082226.00ba4800@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list So where are the and parameters? At 05:22 PM 11/17/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >Could you plaese check it one more time. The parameter line likes this: > > > 255255255> > >but no thing better. > > >Kind regards, > >Binh Nguyen-Van > >Quoting "j.c.f." : > > > > > You will want in the parameter line. > > > > At 11:11 AM 11/17/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >Dear Sir, > > > > > >The response time in my experiments is 10 second to choose a picture. So, > > for > > >example, if after the first chosen one, we want to move to next item and I > > >write the file like below but it doesn't run as expected. (I've added some > > >parts from your suggestion a month ago) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >0 "start" ; > > > > > >1 ! "black" ; > > >2 ! "black" ; > > >3 ! "black" ; > > > > > >+100 > > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > "picture3" * ; > > >+101 ! * ; > > >+102 ! * ; > > >1001 ; > > > > > >+200 > > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > "picture3" * ; > > >+201 ! * ; > > >+202 ! * ; > > >1002 ; > > > > > >+300 > > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > "picture3" * ; > > >+301 ! * ; > > >+302 ! * ; > > >1003 ; > > > > > >.. > > > > > >Could you please tell me how to solve this problem. > > > > > >Thank you, > > > > > >Binh Nguyen-Van > > > > > > > > > > > >Quoting "j.c.f." : > > > > > > > At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 "start" ; > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 ! "black" ; > > > > > > 2 ! "black" ; > > > > > > 3 ! "black" ; > > > > > > > > > > > > +100 "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > > > > "picture3" * ; > > > > > > +101 ! * ; > > > > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key > at any > > > > time > > > > > > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than > > > once > > > > > and > > > > > > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. > > > > > > > > And then sometime last night (probably sitting in meditation) I > > > realized > > > > that you could selectively bind and then unbind response keys so they > > > > couldn't make the same response twice like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 "start" ; > > > > > > > > 1 ! "black" ; > > > > 2 ! "black" ; > > > > 3 ! "black" ; > > > > > > > > +100 > > > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > > "picture3" * ; > > > > +101 ! * ; > > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > > > > > > > +200 > > > > "picture1" , "picture2" , > > > > "picture3" * ; > > > > +201 ! * ; > > > > +202 ! * ; > > > > > > > > Of course this solution allows > > > > > > > > /"\ > > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > > > > X > > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > > > > > > > The bug stops here. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > >==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > >==================================================================== > > > > /"\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > > > The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented > > Scotch. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented Scotch. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 03:26:57 2005 Received: from mail.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr (mail.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr [193.48.145.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jALAPJ5L007278 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:25:20 -0700 Received: from mail.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA32239E6C for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:25:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from calixte.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr (calixte.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr [193.48.145.21]) by mail.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE721396B2 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:25:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from luche (ddl206.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr [193.48.145.206]) by calixte.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF8237C004 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:25:12 +0100 (CET) From: "Claire Delle Luche" To: Subject: [DMDX] Upgrading Windows and DMDX; Display errors Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:27:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C5EE8E.9653ACC0" Message-Id: <20051121102512.AFF8237C004@calixte.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C5EE8E.9653ACC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all,=20 We have recently updated our computers (from Windows 2000 to XP, = updating of DirectX and DMDX) and I have problems with DMDX when doing a self-paced reading (but none with a simple visual lexical decision paradigm). The following script used to work before, but now we have the infamous "display error" on each word, although we have , although the = refresh rate is the same as before (11,7ms). After 20 or so sentences, Windows = XP crash and the computer needs to be restarted. -> Do you have any clues why it is so?=20 To avoid these display errors, I tried to increase the delay up to 60 = ticks, but it remained the same. Finally, I set the delay to -20, that is , so that DMDX anticipates the next trial. This time, no display error occurred. However, the reading times, measured after each word, are very strange, being as low as 0.7ms (which never happened before). This is = not due to speedy behaviour, because participants respond accurately on = trials where they present such behaviour. -> Does the mean that I need to add 20 ticks to my measured RT, namely adding 20*11.7 to 0.7ms?=20 Your help would be very helpful.=20 Here is an example of my script, with one sentence.=20 N1 < vm 1024 768 768 32 85> 0 "Instructions. ";=20 $=20 +1 "=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*;=20 +2 "Le =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*;=20 +3 "=3D=3D matelot =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*;=20 +4 "=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D doit =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*;=20 +5 "=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D r=E9chauffer =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*;=20 +6 "=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D le =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*;=20 +7 "=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D repas =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*;=20 +8 "=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D du =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*;=20 +9 "=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D bless=E9 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*;=20 +10 "=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D lentement."*;=20 -4207 %50/"C'est le bless=E9 qui r=E9chauffe le plat ?"*;=20 800 ;=20 $=20 $=20 0 " End of trial. ";=20 $=20 Sincerly,=20 Claire Delle Luche=20 _____________________________________________=20 Claire Delle Luche (Allocataire de recherche) Laboratoire Dynamique du Langage 14, avenue Berthelot 69 363 Lyon Cedex 07 France ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C5EE8E.9653ACC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Upgrading Windows and DMDX; Display errors

Dear all,
We have recently updated our computers = (from Windows 2000 to XP, updating of DirectX and DMDX) and I have = problems with DMDX when doing a self-paced reading (but none with a = simple visual lexical decision = paradigm).

The following script used to work = before, but now we have the infamous "display error" on each = word, although we have <d 20>, although the refresh rate is the = same as before (11,7ms). After 20 or so sentences, Windows XP crash and = the computer needs to be restarted.

-> Do you have any clues why it is = so?
To avoid these display errors, I tried = to increase the delay up to 60 ticks, but it remained the same. Finally, = I set the delay to -20, that is <d -20>, so that DMDX anticipates = the next trial. This time, no display error occurred. However, the = reading times, measured after each word, are very strange, being as low = as 0.7ms (which never happened before). This is not due to speedy = behaviour, because participants respond accurately on trials where they = present such behaviour.

-> Does the <d -20> mean that = I need to add 20 ticks to my measured RT, namely adding 20*11.7 to = 0.7ms?
Your help would be very = helpful.
Here is an example of my script, = with one sentence.
N1 <s 1> <azk> = <fd 50> <nfb> <wfbo> <t 9000> <cr> <d = 20> <id "WingMan Precision USB"> <mr +Bouton 1> = <mnr +Bouton 4> <mpr +Bouton 5> <dwc 255255255> = <dbc 0> < vm 1024 768 768 32 85>

0 <ln -2> = "Instructions. ";
$
+1 <ln -1>"=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*<cr>;
+2 <ln -1>"Le = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*<cr>;
+3 <ln -1>"=3D=3D = matelot =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*<cr>;
+4 <ln -1>"=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D doit =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*<cr>;
+5 <ln -1>"=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D r=E9chauffer =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*<cr>;
+6 <ln -1>"=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D le = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*<cr>;
+7 <ln -1>"=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D repas = =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*<cr>;
+8 <ln -1>"=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D du =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*<cr>;
+9 <ln -1>"=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D bless=E9 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D."*<cr>;
+10 <ln -1>"=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = lentement."*<cr>;
-4207 %50/"C'est le = bless=E9 qui r=E9chauffe le plat ?"*;
800 <ms% = 1500>;
$
$
0 <ln -1> " End of = trial. ";
$
Sincerly,
Claire Delle Luche
_____________________________________________
Claire Delle Luche (Allocataire de = recherche)
Laboratoire Dynamique du = Langage
14, avenue Berthelot
69 363 Lyon Cedex 07
France

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C5EE8E.9653ACC0-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 08:29:44 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jALFTD5L008630 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:29:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E83DBCD672 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:29:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF42BC4A3F for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:29:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121082748.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:28:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Upgrading Windows and DMDX; Display errors In-Reply-To: <20051121102512.AFF8237C004@calixte.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:27 AM 11/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear all, >We have recently updated our computers (from Windows 2000 to XP, updating >of DirectX and DMDX) and I have problems with DMDX when doing a self-paced >reading (but none with a simple visual lexical decision paradigm). > >The following script used to work before, but now we have the infamous >"display error" on each word, although we have , although the >refresh rate is the same as before (11,7ms). After 20 or so sentences, >Windows XP crash and the computer needs to be restarted. You need new video drivers or you need to used one of the shortcuts that limits how hard DMDX presses the video card drivers, "DMDX for GeForce Video Cards" or "DMDX for Really Bad Video Cards". >-> Do you have any clues why it is so? >To avoid these display errors, I tried to increase the delay up to 60 >ticks, but it remained the same. Finally, I set the delay to -20, that is >, so that DMDX anticipates the next trial. This time, no display >error occurred. However, the reading times, measured after each word, are >very strange, being as low as 0.7ms (which never happened before). This is >not due to speedy behaviour, because participants respond accurately on >trials where they present such behaviour. > >-> Does the mean that I need to add 20 ticks to my measured RT, >namely adding 20*11.7 to 0.7ms? >Your help would be very helpful. >Here is an example of my script, with one sentence. >N1 Precision USB"> 255255255> < vm 1024 768 768 32 85> > >0 "Instructions. "; >$ >+1 "== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; >+2 "Le ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; >+3 "== matelot === ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; >+4 "== ====== doit ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; >+5 "== ====== === réchauffer == ===== == ====== ========."*; >+6 "== ====== === ========= le ===== == ====== ========."*; >+7 "== ====== === ========= == repas == ====== ========."*; >+8 "== ====== === ========= == ===== du ====== ========."*; >+9 "== ====== === ========= == ===== == blessé ========."*; >+10 "== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== lentement."*; >-4207 %50/"C'est le blessé qui réchauffe le plat ?"*; >800 ; >$ >$ >0 " End of trial. "; >$ >Sincerly, >Claire Delle Luche >_____________________________________________ >Claire Delle Luche (Allocataire de recherche) >Laboratoire Dynamique du Langage >14, avenue Berthelot >69 363 Lyon Cedex 07 >France /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 09:13:31 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jALFu65L008841 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:56:06 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so968918nze for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.108.14 with SMTP id g14mr3106787nzc; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.129.4 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:56:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:56:00 +0800 From: Hui Yui Chi To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RT of leaving off button MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I am writing a program for a simple reaction time task. In the experiment,participant would be instructed to depress a button(home button) until a signal is presented, then the participant need to leave-off the home button and move his hand to depress the another button(response button). The problem is that, i would like to use DMDX to count the RT of leaving off the button and at the same time the RT of pressing the button in one trial. How to use DMDX to do that? Thanks, Kevin From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 09:36:32 2005 Received: from chewbacca.univ-poitiers.fr (chewbacca.univ-poitiers.fr [195.220.223.33]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jALGa05L009132 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:36:01 -0700 Received: from goldorak.univ-poitiers.fr (goldorak.univ-poitiers.fr [195.83.66.83]) by chewbacca.univ-poitiers.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9968F1D888 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:35:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goldorak.univ-poitiers.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2C0206B for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:35:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from goldorak.univ-poitiers.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goldorak.campus.univ-poitiers.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21179-07 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:35:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from lapmhcbo.univ-poitiers.fr (lapmhcbo.mshs.univ-poitiers.fr [195.220.222.204]) by goldorak.univ-poitiers.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17ED119D6 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:35:54 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20051121172132.00a4fbf0@mail.univ-poitiers.fr> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:33:11 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: bouquet Subject: [DMDX] no input detected Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I tried to run few sample control files with the latest version of DMDX. "No response" signal appears regardless of my keyboard input. It seems that no input is detected. It doesn't work whenever I try to use mouse or keyboard devices (although devices have been named correctly in French, i.e. 'clavier' and 'souris') Does anyone have any clues? Thanks Cédric Cédric Bouquet, PhD Laboratoire Performance, Motricité & Cognition (EA 3814) MSHS 99 Av du Recteur Pineau 86 000 POITIERS FRANCE tel : +33 (0)5.49.45.46.98. fax : +33 (0)5.49.45.46.57 http://www.mshs.univ-poitiers.fr/lpmc/nouveau/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 13:01:29 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jALK115L010408 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:01:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A88BD0729 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD11BCDA48 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:01:00 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121130020.00ba4e60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:00:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RT of leaving off button In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You need the input mode. At 11:56 PM 11/21/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am writing a program for a simple reaction time task. In the >experiment,participant would be instructed to depress a button(home >button) until a signal is presented, then the participant need to >leave-off the home button and move his hand to depress the another >button(response button). > >The problem is that, i would like to use DMDX to count the RT of >leaving off the button and at the same time the RT of pressing the >button in one trial. How to use DMDX to do that? > >Thanks, >Kevin > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ My mother loved children -- she would have given anything if I had been one. - Groucho Marx From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 13:03:29 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jALK3P5L010435 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:03:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB43BBC4B6 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08432BD0615 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:03:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121130133.00ba4e60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:03:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: no input detected In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20051121172132.00a4fbf0@mail.univ-poitiers.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You will have to map the French button names as well as the French device names, and so forth. At 05:33 PM 11/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I tried to run few sample control files with the latest version of DMDX. >"No response" signal appears regardless of my keyboard input. >It seems that no input is detected. >It doesn't work whenever I try to use mouse or keyboard devices (although >devices have been named correctly in French, i.e. 'clavier' and 'souris') > >Does anyone have any clues? > >Thanks > >Cédric > > > > > > >Cédric Bouquet, PhD >Laboratoire Performance, Motricité & Cognition (EA 3814) >MSHS >99 Av du Recteur Pineau >86 000 POITIERS >FRANCE > >tel : +33 (0)5.49.45.46.98. >fax : +33 (0)5.49.45.46.57 > >http://www.mshs.univ-poitiers.fr/lpmc/nouveau/ > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ My mother loved children -- she would have given anything if I had been one. - Groucho Marx From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 14:34:07 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.192]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jALLXr5L011011 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:54 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so1065636nze for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.108.8 with SMTP id g8mr1928256nzc; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.18.32 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a0511211333n6f78e323v9a0b10b0a8250d15@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:33:53 -0600 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] display error with delay of 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15562_14899244.1132608833111" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_Part_15562_14899244.1132608833111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Why does DMDX occasionally produce display errors when using a delay of 0? If a delay of 0 means "get the display up as quickly as possible, the delay being determined by how long it takes DMDX to prepare the item", then it doesnt seem to make sense that a display error could occur. When these errors occur they seem to always be 1 tick delayed (which in the script I a= m writing is about 10% of items that load a bmp which has previously been loaded using medialife) J -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ------=_Part_15562_14899244.1132608833111 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Why does DMDX occasionally produce display errors when using a delay o= f 0?  If a delay of 0 means "get the display up as quickly as pos= sible, the delay being determined by how long it takes DMDX to prepare the = item", then it doesnt seem to make sense that a display error could oc= cur.  When these errors occur they seem to always be 1 tick delayed (w= hich in the script I am writing is about 10% of items that load a bmp which= has previously been loaded using medialife)
J

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John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
Assistant Prof= essor of Psychology
University of Wisconsin
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------=_Part_15562_14899244.1132608833111-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 15:41:11 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jALMeD5L011429 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:40:13 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so1081512nze for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.247.5 with SMTP id u5mr3443731nzh; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.18.32 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:40:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a0511211440i439a9f7fmab99a1a591d0c2d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:40:12 -0600 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: display error with delay of 0 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121153249.00ba4e48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15903_31634210.1132612812753" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121153249.00ba4e48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_Part_15903_31634210.1132612812753 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for the info. The computer I am running this script on is my persona= l notebook that I dont use for data collection. I guess there could be a lot of things wrong with it (such as old drivers, crappy notebook video card, etc). Out of curiosity, what processes occur during those two ticks between item preparation and the actual display (might help me to understand what the culprit is on this notebook to satisfy my need to understand this). J On 11/21/05, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > At 03:33 PM 11/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >Why does DMDX occasionally produce display errors when using a delay of > >0? If a delay of 0 means "get the display up as quickly as possible, the > >delay being determined by how long it takes DMDX to prepare the item", > >then it doesnt seem to make sense that a display error could occur. When > >these errors occur they seem to always be 1 tick delayed (which in the > >script I am writing is about 10% of items that load a bmp which has > >previously been loaded using medialife) > > DMDX when presented with a delay of zero prepares the item and then > schedules it two ticks in the future. Patently something on your machine > is way slower than I ever anticipated. > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > "There are those who claim that magic is like the tide; that it swells > and fades over the surface of the earth, collecting in concentrated > pools here and there, almost disappearing from other spots, leaving > them parched for wonder. There are also those who believe that if you > stick your fingers up your nose and blow, it will increase your > intelligence." > > - The Teachings of Ebenezum, Volume VII > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ------=_Part_15903_31634210.1132612812753 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Thanks for the info.  The computer I am running this script on is=  my personal notebook that I dont use for data collection.  = I guess there could be a lot of things wrong with it (such as old drivers, = crappy notebook video card, etc).   Out of curiosity, what proces= ses occur during those two ticks between item preparation and the actual di= splay (might help me to understand what the culprit is on this notebook to = satisfy my need to understand this). =20
 
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On 11/21/05, Jonathan C. Forster <jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote:
At 03:33 PM 11/21/2005 -0600, yo= u wrote:
>Why does DMDX occasionally produce display errors when usin= g a delay of
>0?  If a delay of 0 means "get the display up as qui= ckly as possible, the
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>these errors occur they seem to always be 1 tick delayed (which in = the
>script I am writing is about 10% of items that load a bmp which = has
>previously been loaded using medialife)

  DMDX = when presented with a delay of zero prepares the item and then
schedules it two ticks in the future.  Patently something on = your machine
is way slower than I ever anticipated.


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Cell: 608-217-6221 <= br>Fax: 608-262-4029=20 ------=_Part_15903_31634210.1132612812753-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 16:07:46 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jALMYM5L011380 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:34:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (eomer.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.219]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BCBBCE967 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:34:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBE8BCEA26 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:34:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121153249.00ba4e48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:34:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: display error with delay of 0 In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a0511211333n6f78e323v9a0b10b0a8250d15@mail.gmail.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:33 PM 11/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Why does DMDX occasionally produce display errors when using a delay of >0? If a delay of 0 means "get the display up as quickly as possible, the >delay being determined by how long it takes DMDX to prepare the item", >then it doesnt seem to make sense that a display error could occur. When >these errors occur they seem to always be 1 tick delayed (which in the >script I am writing is about 10% of items that load a bmp which has >previously been loaded using medialife) DMDX when presented with a delay of zero prepares the item and then schedules it two ticks in the future. Patently something on your machine is way slower than I ever anticipated. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "There are those who claim that magic is like the tide; that it swells and fades over the surface of the earth, collecting in concentrated pools here and there, almost disappearing from other spots, leaving them parched for wonder. There are also those who believe that if you stick your fingers up your nose and blow, it will increase your intelligence." - The Teachings of Ebenezum, Volume VII From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 17:47:22 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAM0kn5L012152 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:46:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67EFBD2402 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:46:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBF7BD2587 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:46:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121174331.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:46:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: display error with delay of 0 In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a0511211440i439a9f7fmab99a1a591d0c2d3@mail.gmail.co m> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121153249.00ba4e48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051121153249.00ba4e48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:40 PM 11/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks for the info. The computer I am running this script on is my >personal notebook that I dont use for data collection. I guess there >could be a lot of things wrong with it (such as old drivers, crappy >notebook video card, etc). Out of curiosity, what processes occur during >those two ticks between item preparation and the actual display (might >help me to understand what the culprit is on this notebook to satisfy my >need to understand this). Almost nothing as far as DMDX is concerned, I always thought two ticks was a ridiculously long time myself but given that DMDX doesn't check where it is in the previous retrace two ticks is pretty much the minimum if you don't want stress things. Something else on your machine is probably chewing up oodles of execution time. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 21 17:47:52 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAM0ln5L012194 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:47:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15EDBC6B7B for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:47:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C205BBC62B3 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:47:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121174642.00bbd958@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:47:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: display error with delay of 0 In-Reply-To: <9ae8f64a0511211440i439a9f7fmab99a1a591d0c2d3@mail.gmail.co m> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121153249.00ba4e48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20051121153249.00ba4e48@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:40 PM 11/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks for the info. The computer I am running this script on is my >personal notebook that I dont use for data collection. I guess there >could be a lot of things wrong with it (such as old drivers, crappy >notebook video card, etc). Out of curiosity, what processes occur during >those two ticks between item preparation and the actual display (might >help me to understand what the culprit is on this notebook to satisfy my >need to understand this). The solution in your case is to use or -4 as is converted to . /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 22 09:14:58 2005 Received: from mail.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr (mail.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr [193.48.145.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAMGDu5L016419 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:13:57 -0700 Received: from mail.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id F192A39EC8 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:13:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from calixte.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr (calixte.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr [193.48.145.21]) by mail.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0F139AED for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:13:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from luche (ddl206.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr [193.48.145.206]) by calixte.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB53B37C004 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:13:49 +0100 (CET) From: "Delle Luche" To: Subject: [DMDX] Upgrading Windows and DMDX; Display errors NEXT Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:16:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121082748.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-Id: <20051122161349.EB53B37C004@calixte.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear all, I am coming back to you because adding "-buffers 4" didn't help at all. Our 128Mo video card is INTEL 829156/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family. With d 20: DMDX crashes With d 0: many display errors With d -20: no display errors but weird RTs (0.7ms) I am sorry to bother you, but we are incapable of finding a solution. Plus, we would like to know whether measured RTs are accurate with d -20, because they are sometimes dramatically low. Claire Delle Luche _____________________________________________ -----Message d'origine----- De : DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] De la part de j.c.f. Envoyé : lundi 21 novembre 2005 16:29 À : DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Objet : [DMDX] Re: Upgrading Windows and DMDX; Display errors At 11:27 AM 11/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear all, >We have recently updated our computers (from Windows 2000 to XP, >updating of DirectX and DMDX) and I have problems with DMDX when doing >a self-paced reading (but none with a simple visual lexical decision paradigm). > >The following script used to work before, but now we have the infamous >"display error" on each word, although we have , although the >refresh rate is the same as before (11,7ms). After 20 or so sentences, >Windows XP crash and the computer needs to be restarted. You need new video drivers or you need to used one of the shortcuts that limits how hard DMDX presses the video card drivers, "DMDX for GeForce Video Cards" or "DMDX for Really Bad Video Cards". >-> Do you have any clues why it is so? >To avoid these display errors, I tried to increase the delay up to 60 >ticks, but it remained the same. Finally, I set the delay to -20, that >is , so that DMDX anticipates the next trial. This time, no >display error occurred. However, the reading times, measured after each >word, are very strange, being as low as 0.7ms (which never happened >before). This is not due to speedy behaviour, because participants >respond accurately on trials where they present such behaviour. > >-> Does the mean that I need to add 20 ticks to my measured RT, >namely adding 20*11.7 to 0.7ms? >Your help would be very helpful. >Here is an example of my script, with one sentence. >N1 Precision USB"> 255255255> < vm 1024 768 768 32 85> > >0 "Instructions. "; >$ >+1 "== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; >+2 "Le ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; >+3 "== matelot === ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; >+4 "== ====== doit ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; >+5 "== ====== === réchauffer == ===== == ====== ========."*; >+6 "== ====== === ========= le ===== == ====== ========."*; >+7 "== ====== === ========= == repas == ====== ========."*; >+8 "== ====== === ========= == ===== du ====== ========."*; >+9 "== ====== === ========= == ===== == blessé ========."*; >+10 "== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== >+lentement."*; >-4207 %50/"C'est le blessé qui réchauffe le plat ?"*; 800 ; $ >$ 0 " End of trial. "; $ Sincerly, Claire Delle Luche >_____________________________________________ >Claire Delle Luche (Allocataire de recherche) Laboratoire Dynamique du >Langage 14, avenue Berthelot >69 363 Lyon Cedex 07 >France From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 22 10:37:32 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAMHbI5L016878 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:37:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B560BC4967 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:37:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1B0BD1B87 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:37:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051122103626.00ba4e58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Upgrading Windows and DMDX; Display errors NEXT In-Reply-To: <20051122161349.EB53B37C004@calixte.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051121082748.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You will have to get new video drivers. No, nothing DMDX is doing under those circumstances is trustworthy. At 05:16 PM 11/22/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am coming back to you because adding "-buffers 4" didn't help at all. Our >128Mo video card is INTEL 829156/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family. > >With d 20: DMDX crashes >With d 0: many display errors >With d -20: no display errors but weird RTs (0.7ms) > >I am sorry to bother you, but we are incapable of finding a solution. Plus, >we would like to know whether measured RTs are accurate with d -20, because >they are sometimes dramatically low. > >Claire Delle Luche >_____________________________________________ >-----Message d'origine----- >De : DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] De la part de j.c.f. >Envoyé : lundi 21 novembre 2005 16:29 >À : DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Objet : [DMDX] Re: Upgrading Windows and DMDX; Display errors > >At 11:27 AM 11/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >Dear all, > >We have recently updated our computers (from Windows 2000 to XP, > >updating of DirectX and DMDX) and I have problems with DMDX when doing > >a self-paced reading (but none with a simple visual lexical decision >paradigm). > > > >The following script used to work before, but now we have the infamous > >"display error" on each word, although we have , although the > >refresh rate is the same as before (11,7ms). After 20 or so sentences, > >Windows XP crash and the computer needs to be restarted. > > You need new video drivers or you need to used one of the shortcuts that >limits how hard DMDX presses the video card drivers, "DMDX for GeForce Video >Cards" or "DMDX for Really Bad Video Cards". > > > >-> Do you have any clues why it is so? > >To avoid these display errors, I tried to increase the delay up to 60 > >ticks, but it remained the same. Finally, I set the delay to -20, that > >is , so that DMDX anticipates the next trial. This time, no > >display error occurred. However, the reading times, measured after each > >word, are very strange, being as low as 0.7ms (which never happened > >before). This is not due to speedy behaviour, because participants > >respond accurately on trials where they present such behaviour. > > > >-> Does the mean that I need to add 20 ticks to my measured RT, > >namely adding 20*11.7 to 0.7ms? > >Your help would be very helpful. > >Here is an example of my script, with one sentence. > >N1 >Precision USB"> >255255255> < vm 1024 768 768 32 85> > > > >0 "Instructions. "; > >$ > >+1 "== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; > >+2 "Le ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; > >+3 "== matelot === ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; > >+4 "== ====== doit ========= == ===== == ====== ========."*; > >+5 "== ====== === réchauffer == ===== == ====== ========."*; > >+6 "== ====== === ========= le ===== == ====== ========."*; > >+7 "== ====== === ========= == repas == ====== ========."*; > >+8 "== ====== === ========= == ===== du ====== ========."*; > >+9 "== ====== === ========= == ===== == blessé ========."*; > >+10 "== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== > >+lentement."*; > >-4207 %50/"C'est le blessé qui réchauffe le plat ?"*; 800 ; $ > >$ 0 " End of trial. "; $ Sincerly, Claire Delle Luche > >_____________________________________________ > >Claire Delle Luche (Allocataire de recherche) Laboratoire Dynamique du > >Langage 14, avenue Berthelot > >69 363 Lyon Cedex 07 > >France > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "There are those who claim that magic is like the tide; that it swells and fades over the surface of the earth, collecting in concentrated pools here and there, almost disappearing from other spots, leaving them parched for wonder. There are also those who believe that if you stick your fingers up your nose and blow, it will increase your intelligence." - The Teachings of Ebenezum, Volume VII From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 22 15:43:04 2005 Received: from wjh2.wjh.harvard.edu (IDENT:root@wjh2.wjh.harvard.edu [140.247.94.249]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAMMgY5L019067 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:42:34 -0700 Received: from [140.247.94.77] (roam94-77.wjh.harvard.edu [140.247.94.77]) by wjh2.wjh.harvard.edu (8.11.7p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAMMgWm16659 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:42:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43839ED4.6060801@wjh.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:42:28 -0500 From: Matthew Finkbeiner MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu" Subject: [DMDX] voice key failures Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000402040907010400070700" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000402040907010400070700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan, in a current picture naming experiment, we've noticed that the voice key is being triggered erroneously on about 5% of the trials. I've attached a wav file for you to look at, but essentially the subject makes a response but the voice key doesn't trigger until 800-2000 ms later. If it didn't trigger at all, I wouldn't be too concerned. But the fact that it's being triggered by no apparent acoustic signal is disconcerting. Any ideas? We noticed this happening a few days ago on one of our machines, and I first thought it may have something to do with that machine; but today the same thing happened on a separate machine, so I'm inclined to think it's a DMDX thing and not a machine specific problem. Any help / suggestions mucho appreciated. 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AAAAAAAASeUAAExJU1QTAAAAYWR0bGxhYmwHAAAAAQAAAFJUAA== --------------000402040907010400070700-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 22 16:17:58 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAMNHn5L019357 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:17:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (eowyn.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.221]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9B5BC5D07 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:17:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8684EBBC019 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:17:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051122160628.00ba4f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:17:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: voice key failures In-Reply-To: <43839ED4.6060801@wjh.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list There's a whole slew of RecordVocal and DigitalVox issues that produce exactly the symptoms you describe and that have described by me in great lengths in the past, the finer details of which I never remember. Check the help on RecordVocal and the archives and you should find all the information you need, it's all I'd be doing in any event. At 05:42 PM 11/22/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan, in a current picture naming experiment, we've noticed that the >voice key is being triggered erroneously on about 5% of the trials. I've >attached a wav file for you to look at, but essentially the subject makes >a response but the voice key doesn't trigger until 800-2000 ms later. The voice key is probably triggering correctly however the data that is being written out is likely to be out of phase however. > If it didn't trigger at all, I wouldn't be too concerned. But the fact > that it's being triggered by no apparent acoustic signal is > disconcerting. Any ideas? We noticed this happening a few days ago on > one of our machines, and I first thought it may have something to do with > that machine; but today the same thing happened on a separate machine, so > I'm inclined to think it's a DMDX thing and not a machine specific problem. It's an audio driver and operating system issue. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ "There are those who claim that magic is like the tide; that it swells and fades over the surface of the earth, collecting in concentrated pools here and there, almost disappearing from other spots, leaving them parched for wonder. There are also those who believe that if you stick your fingers up your nose and blow, it will increase your intelligence." - The Teachings of Ebenezum, Volume VII From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 24 09:12:57 2005 Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAOGBw5L030768 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:11:58 -0700 Received: from ncs.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.36]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EfJg0-000489-2O for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:10:36 +0000 Received: from [137.222.61.139] (helo=[137.222.61.139]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51) id 1EfJfz-0007Qw-Jj for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:10:23 +0000 Message-ID: <4385E5EF.3020604@bristol.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:10:23 +0000 From: Lucy Series MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Cheap laptops for running DMDX? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I need to buy some cheap laptops which are good for running DMDX, playing .wav files and recording speech. Can anyone recommend a good model? Thanks. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 24 09:24:41 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAOGOY5L030880 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:24:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FE3BD92D3 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:24:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA25FBD90BE for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:24:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051124091959.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:24:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Cheap laptops for running DMDX? In-Reply-To: <4385E5EF.3020604@bristol.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:10 PM 11/24/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I need to buy some cheap laptops which are good for running DMDX, >playing .wav files and recording speech. Can anyone recommend a good model? Cheap laptops and running DMDX recording speech would be mutually exclusive terms. If you want any chance of recording speech in DMDX on a laptop you are going to have to buy a gaming machine, one that is sold as being good for playing games on. Then it MIGHT have a decent audio device that MIGHT have drivers that function nicely that you MIGHT be able to get working with DMDX. Dell Inspirons are my recommendation. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 24 09:27:32 2005 Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.234.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAOGRS5L030920 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:27:28 -0700 Received: from largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk (largo.ncl.ac.uk [10.8.234.184]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAOGRLXP001144 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Cheap laptops for running DMDX? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:20 -0000 Message-ID: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D42A18@largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk> From: "Chris Letts" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Creative do a very good USB external sound card (Audigy NX) - I've not tested with DMDX but I don't see why not - however in the UK it costs £100, so it makes the laptop not so cheap ! Chris Letts, Technical Site Manager, SECLS Speech & Language Section. >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. >Sent: 24 November 2005 16:24 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: Cheap laptops for running DMDX? > >At 04:10 PM 11/24/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>I need to buy some cheap laptops which are good for running DMDX, >>playing .wav files and recording speech. Can anyone >recommend a good model? > > > Cheap laptops and running DMDX recording speech would be >mutually exclusive terms. If you want any chance of recording >speech in DMDX on a laptop you are going to have to buy a >gaming machine, one that is sold as being good for playing >games on. Then it MIGHT have a decent audio device that MIGHT >have drivers that function nicely that you MIGHT be able to >get working with DMDX. Dell Inspirons are my recommendation. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > >Real Users never know what they want, but they always know >when your program doesn't deliver it. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 28 03:26:53 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jASA8t5L024427 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 03:08:55 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so2692568nze for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.108.14 with SMTP id g14mr3181639nzc; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.132.19 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:08:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:08:51 +0800 From: Hui Yui Chi To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] randomly vary inter-trial interval MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, How can I randomly vary the inter-trial interval? For example, i would like the inter-trial interval would be varied randomly from 0.5s to 1.5s through out the experiement. Thanks Hui Yui Chi From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 28 09:13:32 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jASFmu5L026522 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:48:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB4FBD759C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:48:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57E2BC5524 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:48:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051128084205.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:48:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: randomly vary inter-trial interval In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:08 PM 11/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, > >How can I randomly vary the inter-trial interval? For example, i would >like the inter-trial interval would be varied randomly from 0.5s to >1.5s through out the experiement. You'd have to a frame at the end of every item that has a duration that is specified by a counter loaded with with <%ctr 1>. +1 * "target" / <%ctr 1> /; /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 28 20:31:55 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.199]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAT3CM5L030467 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:12:22 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so2949478nze for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.221.39 with SMTP id t39mr3947745nzg; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.132.19 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:12:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:12:21 +0800 From: Hui Yui Chi To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: randomly vary inter-trial interval In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051128084205.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051128084205.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for your quick reply. Yet, i am still not very understand. For the command like this:set c1=30+random(60)> <%ctr 1> What is the meaning of each number in the command? Thanks 2005/11/28, j.c.f. : > At 06:08 PM 11/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >How can I randomly vary the inter-trial interval? For example, i would > >like the inter-trial interval would be varied randomly from 0.5s to > >1.5s through out the experiement. > > You'd have to a frame at the end of every item that has a duration that > is specified by a counter loaded with with <%ctr 1>. > > +1 * "target" / <%ctr 1> /; > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your > program doesn't deliver it. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 29 20:02:48 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAU2Wr5L004965 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:32:54 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so1372947nzf for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.137.7 with SMTP id p7mr2980758qbn; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.114.2 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:32:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:32:50 -0600 From: Jillian Lee To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I am trying to get my program to display a picture until it detects a vocal response. Then, the screen should clear and move on. Or, if there is no response after 2 seconds, it should clear and move on. Also, it should record the reaction time from when the picture is displayed to when the vocal response is detected. As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture until it detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all come out as 1.00 in the azk file) OR I can get it to record the reaction times in ms but it just displays the picture for 2 seconds no matter what. Here is some of the script where it displays the picture until it detects voice, but the reaction times all read 1.00 in the azk: +1111 g"+2" <% 75> / * "picture1"; 0 /c; +1112 g"+2" <% 75> / * "picture2"; 0 /c; Here is some of the script where it displays the picture for 2 seconds irrespective of when it picks up the vocal response but it records different reaction times in ms in the azk file: +1111 g"+2" <% 75> / * g"picture1" / !; 0 /c; +1112 g"+2" <% 75> / * g"picture2" / !; 0 /c; Can someone please help me? Thanks, Jillian Lee From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 29 20:58:54 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAU3wW5L005512 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:58:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D6ABB2766 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:58:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-9.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DBFBD8DFA for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:58:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051129205730.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:58:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:32 PM 11/29/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am trying to get my program to display a picture until it detects a >vocal response. Then, the screen should clear and move on. Or, if >there is no response after 2 seconds, it should clear and move on. >Also, it should record the reaction time from when the picture is >displayed to when the vocal response is detected. > >As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture until it >detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all come out as 1.00 >in the azk file) OR I can get it to record the reaction times in ms >but it just displays the picture for 2 seconds no matter what. That is exactly what does. You probably don't want it. >Here is some of the script where it displays the picture until it >detects voice, but the reaction times all read 1.00 in the azk: > > keyboard> 1024,768,768,16,75> > >+1111 g"+2" <% 75> / * "picture1"; >0 /c; >+1112 g"+2" <% 75> / * "picture2"; >0 /c; > >Here is some of the script where it displays the picture for 2 seconds >irrespective of when it picks up the vocal response but it records >different reaction times in ms in the azk file: > >2000> 1024,768,768,16,75> > >+1111 g"+2" <% 75> / * g"picture1" / !; >0 /c; >+1112 g"+2" <% 75> / * g"picture2" / !; >0 /c; > >Can someone please help me? > >Thanks, >Jillian Lee > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 29 21:09:04 2005 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAU48v5L005607 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:08:57 -0700 Received: from DELL ([68.239.40.227]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IQR00EJO26V9V82@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:08:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:08:55 -0500 From: "Matthew Finkbeiner" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response In-reply-to: To: Message-id: <000001c5f563$c86ef710$6501a8c0@DELL> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > > I am trying to get my program to display a picture until it > detects a vocal response. Then, the screen should clear and > move on. Or, if there is no response after 2 seconds, it > should clear and move on. > Also, it should record the reaction time from when the > picture is displayed to when the vocal response is detected. > > As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture > until it detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all > come out as 1.00 in the azk file) OR I can get it to record > the reaction times in ms but it just displays the picture for > 2 seconds no matter what. > > Here is some of the script where it displays the picture > until it detects voice, but the reaction times all read 1.00 > in the azk: replace with and with . other than that, it looks fine. > keyboard> 1024,768,768,16,75> > > +1111 g"+2" <% 75> / * "picture1"; > 0 /c; > +1112 g"+2" <% 75> / * "picture2"; > 0 /c; > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 29 22:09:41 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAU4jW5L005833 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:45:32 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so3293320nze for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.50.14 with SMTP id x14mr5129215nzx; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.18.35 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:45:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9ae8f64a0511292045y2d9739fepf5e0a7f3159bce00@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:45:26 -0600 From: John Curtin To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response In-Reply-To: <000001c5f563$c86ef710$6501a8c0@DELL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30771_8194018.1133325926669" References: <000001c5f563$c86ef710$6501a8c0@DELL> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_Part_30771_8194018.1133325926669 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From your description, it appears that you also want the image to be response contingent. See the two Visual lexical decision task sample item-files (and timing notes) on this webpage http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu/methods/DMDX/SampleScripts/SampleScripts.htm The first item file is not response contingent (i.e., the text is up for 30 ticks every trial regardless of response speed). The second item file uses and to make the text remain on the screen until (but only until) the participant responds J On 11/29/05, Matthew Finkbeiner wrote: > > > > > I am trying to get my program to display a picture until it > > detects a vocal response. Then, the screen should clear and > > move on. Or, if there is no response after 2 seconds, it > > should clear and move on. > > Also, it should record the reaction time from when the > > picture is displayed to when the vocal response is detected. > > > > As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture > > until it detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all > > come out as 1.00 in the azk file) OR I can get it to record > > the reaction times in ms but it just displays the picture for > > 2 seconds no matter what. > > > > Here is some of the script where it displays the picture > > until it detects voice, but the reaction times all read 1.00 > > in the azk: > > replace with and with recordvocal 500>. other than that, it looks fine. > > > > keyboard> > 1024,768,768,16,75> > > > > +1111 g"+2" <% 75> / * "picture1"; > > 0 /c; > > +1112 g"+2" <% 75> / * "picture2"; > > 0 /c; > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ------=_Part_30771_8194018.1133325926669 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
From your description, it appears that you also want the image to be r= esponse contingent.
See the two Visual lexical decision task sample item-files (and timing= notes) on this webpage
 
The first item file is not response contingent (i.e., the te= xt is up for 30 ticks every trial regardless of response speed).  The = second item file uses <clfd> and <fbd> to make the text remain = on the screen until (but only until) the participant responds
 
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On 11/29/05, Matthew Finkbeiner <msf@wjh.= harvard.edu> wrote:
>
> I am trying to get = my program to display a picture until it
> detects a vocal response.&= nbsp; Then, the screen should clear and
> move on.  Or, if there is no response after 2 seconds, i= t
> should clear and move on.
> Also, it should record the reac= tion time from when the
> picture is displayed to when the vocal resp= onse is detected.
>
> As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture=
> until it detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all
&= gt; come out as 1.00 in the azk file) OR I can get it to record
> the= reaction times in ms but it just displays the picture for
> 2 seconds no matter what.
>
> Here is some of the scri= pt where it displays the picture
> until it detects voice, but the re= action times all read 1.00
> in the azk:

replace <ntl> w= ith <t 2000> and <id recordvocal 0, 2000> with <id
recordvocal 500>.  other than that, it looks fine.

= > <ep> <ntl><d 0><cr><id digitalVOX><id= RecordVocal 0, 2000><id
> keyboard><wc 000255000> <= ;dbc 000000000><dfs 36><vm
> 1024,768,768,16,75><ClearFeedback><eop>
>
= > +1111 g"+2" <% 75> / <bmp> * "picture1"= ;;
> 0 <ms% 2000> /c;
> +1112 g"+2" <% 75>= ; / <bmp> * "picture2";
> 0 <ms% 2000> /c;
>

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  Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word
'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of= the email
to be removed from the list.  The list archive is a= vailable here:
         http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D



--
John J. Curtin, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Psycholog= y=20
University of Wisconsin
1202 West Johnson St.
Madison, WI 53706=

Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu =
Website: http://dionysus.psy= ch.wisc.edu
Office: 608-262-0387
Lab: 608-262-5621
Cell: 608-217-6221 <= br>Fax: 608-262-4029=20 ------=_Part_30771_8194018.1133325926669-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 29 23:04:40 2005 Received: from up.univ-mrs.fr (mail.up.univ-mrs.fr [147.94.113.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAU64I5L006185 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:04:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.univ-mrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5FF480AFE for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:04:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from up.univ-mrs.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailup.univ-mrs.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 448118-09 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:04:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.up.univ-mrs.fr (webmail.up.univ-mrs.fr [IPv6:2001:660:5403::113:22]) by up.univ-mrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160934840F6 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:04:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from 82.224.162.71 (SquirrelMail authenticated user alario) by webmail.up.univ-mrs.fr with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:04:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1278.82.224.162.71.1133330652.squirrel@webmail.up.univ-mrs.fr> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:04:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: [DMDX] Re: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response From: "F.-Xavier ALARIO" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hello I do exactly what you need with the following script (you may need to play around with the record vocal parameters) Incidentaly: if someone knows how to get yet another picture to appear on the screen when the response is detected (instead of blanck screenào I would be interested) xavier +99999 / "vide.bmp" / "fixation.bmp" / *"F3-PL-BROOM.bmp" ; +99999 / "vide.bmp" / "fixation.bmp" / *"F2-SG-STRAWBER.bmp" ; > Hello, > > I am trying to get my program to display a picture until it detects a > vocal response. Then, the screen should clear and move on. Or, if > there is no response after 2 seconds, it should clear and move on. > Also, it should record the reaction time from when the picture is > displayed to when the vocal response is detected. > > As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture until it > detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all come out as 1.00 > in the azk file) OR I can get it to record the reaction times in ms > but it just displays the picture for 2 seconds no matter what. > > Here is some of the script where it displays the picture until it > detects voice, but the reaction times all read 1.00 in the azk: > > keyboard> 1024,768,768,16,75> > > +1111 g"+2" <% 75> / * "picture1"; > 0 /c; > +1112 g"+2" <% 75> / * "picture2"; > 0 /c; > > Here is some of the script where it displays the picture for 2 seconds > irrespective of when it picks up the vocal response but it records > different reaction times in ms in the azk file: > > 2000> 1024,768,768,16,75> > > +1111 g"+2" <% 75> / * g"picture1" / !; > 0 /c; > +1112 g"+2" <% 75> / * g"picture2" / !; > 0 /c; > > Can someone please help me? > > Thanks, > Jillian Lee > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo - Case 66 13003 Marseille, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/~wlpc/pagesperso/alario/ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 30 03:04:57 2005 Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.234.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAUA4N5L007159 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:04:23 -0700 Received: from largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk (largo.ncl.ac.uk [10.8.234.184]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUA41rD030189 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:04:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5F595.62F310F5" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: scripts Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:04:00 -0000 Message-ID: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D42A5C@largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk> From: "Chris Letts" To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F595.62F310F5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C5F595.62F310F5" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C5F595.62F310F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's not that wonderful ! The main point of it is that the technical person (who knows the dmdx commands) constructs the outline template, then the experimenter only needs to copy the lines, and fill in the details without needing to know dmdx itself. =20 example attached =20 Chris Letts,=20 Technical Site Manager,=20 SECLS Speech & Language Section.=20 =20 ________________________________ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Dianne Patterson Sent: 09 November 2005 17:06 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: scripts =09 =09 Sounds terrific, Chris! Are you willing to make your Word template available to the struggling masses? =09 Thanks, =09 Dianne =09 =09 On 11/9/05, Chris Letts wrote:=20 What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm wrong !). What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, etc) in white columns. I then change all the commands as necessary before handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff ! P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to do the editing !=20 Chris Letts,=20 Newcastle University.=20 --=20 Dianne Patterson, Ph.D. Cognition and NeuroImaging labs University of Arizona 626-4571 (Office)=20 ------_=_NextPart_002_01C5F595.62F310F5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's not that wonderful !
The main point of it is that the technical = person (who=20 knows the dmdx commands) constructs the outline template, then the = experimenter=20 only needs to copy the lines, and fill in the details without needing to = know=20 dmdx itself.
 
example attached
 

Chris=20 Letts,
Technical Site Manager,
SECLS Speech = &=20 Language Section.

 

From: = DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu=20 [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Dianne=20 Patterson
Sent: 09 November 2005 17:06
To:=20 DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: [DMDX] Re:=20 scripts

Sounds terrific, Chris!  Are you willing to make your = Word=20 template available to the struggling=20 masses?

Thanks,

Dianne

On 11/9/05, Chris=20 Letts <Chris.Letts@newcastle.ac.uk>=20 wrote:

What amazed me, when I started with = DMDX not too=20 long ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a = non-technical user=20 to create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their own purposes = (please=20 let me know if I'm wrong !).

What I've ended up doing is creating = a document=20 template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic commands = in=20 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in = (e.g.=20 text, file names, etc) in white columns.  I then change all the = commands as necessary before handing over to the user to do the = mundane=20 stuff !

P.S. of course once the template is = produced, you=20 need to use WORDPAD to do the editing !

Chris = Letts,=20
Newcastle=20 University.




--
Dianne Patterson, Ph.D.
Cognition and = NeuroImaging=20 labs
University of Arizona
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[128.196.237.9]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D84B7E57E for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:14:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051130081337.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:14:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response In-Reply-To: <1278.82.224.162.71.1133330652.squirrel@webmail.up.univ-mrs .fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:04 AM 11/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Incidentaly: if someone knows how to get yet another picture to appear on >the screen when the response is detected (instead of blanck screenào I >would be interested) You can use the custom feedback examples I've given any number of times, also in the branching help I think. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 30 10:26:45 2005 Received: from wjh1.wjh.harvard.edu (IDENT:root@wjh1.wjh.harvard.edu [140.247.94.230]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jAUHQG5L009180 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:26:17 -0700 Received: from [140.247.94.77] (roam94-77.wjh.harvard.edu [140.247.94.77]) by wjh1.wjh.harvard.edu (8.11.7p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAUHQGL20589 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:26:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <438DE0B6.90809@wjh.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:26:14 -0500 From: Matthew Finkbeiner MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response References: <5.1.0.14.2.20051130081337.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051130081337.00ba4870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Yep, I've used the custom feedback to present "correct" and "wrong" in Chinese (characters were bmp files) -- same could certainly be done with other pics. Here's a snippet: 10 d4 c; 0 d4 %37 g"correct" / c; 20 d4 c; 0 d4 %37 g"wrong” / c; 30 d4 “?????” / c; -32805 “###########" / %4 "snake" / *g"walk" c ; j.c.f. wrote: > At 07:04 AM 11/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> Incidentaly: if someone knows how to get yet another picture to appear on >> the screen when the response is detected (instead of blanck screenào I >> would be interested) > > > You can use the custom feedback examples I've given any number of > times, also in the branching help I think. > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > > Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your > program doesn't deliver it. > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 5 07:21:07 2005 Received: from mozart.is.nottingham.ac.uk (mozart.is.nottingham.ac.uk [128.243.40.93]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB5EK45L009937 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:20:05 -0700 Received: from ccw0m1.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk ([128.243.220.65] helo=ccw0m1.nottingham.ac.uk) by mozart.is.nottingham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1EjH6v-0002qn-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:14:33 +0000 Received: from Gwweb1-MTA by ccw0m1.nottingham.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:14:35 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:14:12 +0000 From: "Vannessa Wong" To: Subject: [DMDX] Display error Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear all, I'm working on a masked priming experiment about psycholinguistic. When using DMDX to display .bmp images (256 colour 8 bits), there's always display error about the timing issue. Here is the extract of part of the .rtf file: -01 "fixation" / "L_ArrowPrime" / "Mask" / * "L_ArrowTarget" /; -02 "fixation" / "L_ArrowPrime" / "Mask" / * "L_ArrowTarget" /; +03 "fixation" / "R_ArrowPrime" / "Mask" / * "R_ArrowTarget" /; +04 "fixation" / "R_ArrowPrime" / "Mask" / * "R_ArrowTarget" /; -05 "fixation" / "R_ArrowPrime" / "Mask" / * "R_ArrowTarget"/; And the error message: ! Display error at msec 8462.76, tick 714 in item 2, frame "fixation" ! moved into video memory 78 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Any help will be appreciated! Thanks! Vannessa This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 5 07:48:18 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB5Elx5L010158 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:47:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B4FBDA949 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:47:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8721ABDBAAA for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:47:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051205074213.00ba4838@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:47:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display error In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You probably have a delay parameter (D or ) in your parameter line that's about one and a half seconds too fast. My guess is that it takes your computer a long time to read those bitmaps so the fixation is always late. You might want to look at the documentation as you would appear to be using the same bitmaps over again and if is used correctly they will always be in memory and you can probably keep your low delay. At 02:14 PM 12/5/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear all, > > I'm working on a masked priming experiment about psycholinguistic. When > using DMDX to display .bmp images (256 colour 8 bits), there's always > display error about the timing issue. > >Here is the extract of part of the .rtf file: >-01 "fixation" / "L_ArrowPrime" / >"Mask" / * "L_ArrowTarget" /; >-02 "fixation" / "L_ArrowPrime" / >"Mask" / * "L_ArrowTarget" /; >+03 "fixation" / "R_ArrowPrime" / >"Mask" / * "R_ArrowTarget" /; >+04 "fixation" / "R_ArrowPrime" / >"Mask" / * "R_ArrowTarget" /; >-05 "fixation" / "R_ArrowPrime" / >"Mask" / * "R_ArrowTarget"/; > >And the error message: >! Display error at msec 8462.76, tick 714 in item 2, frame "fixation" >! moved into video memory 78 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > >Any help will be appreciated! Thanks! > >Vannessa > >This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment >may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: >you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the >University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 5 14:18:30 2005 Received: from langate.gsu.edu (langate.gsu.edu [131.96.2.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB5LHs5L012385; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:17:54 -0700 Received: from mailsrv4.gsu.edu not authenticated [131.96.2.17] by langate.gsu.edu with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.22.1.5 $ on Novell NetWare; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:17:51 -0500 Received: from Gateway2-MTA by mailsrv4.gsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:17:05 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:16:55 -0500 From: "Nan Jiang" To: , Subject: [DMDX] two recent mysteries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I encountered two mysteries with dmdx: Mystery 1: while analysing data, I noticed there is no data for Item 11. I checked the item file, it is there, and there is no problem with it. I checked the azk file, Item 11 is missing. But I also notice it is the first item after practice. I moved it to the second item and tested myself, checked the azk file; now the current first item is missing. Summary: the first item after practice does not have data. Mystery 2: I have 11 Chinese students who showed a 1 ms difference between two conditions (in ism file, same below); I have 8 Japanese students who showed a 7 ms difference between the same two conditions in the same direction (the same experiment). After I combined them into one azk file, and Analyzed it, the difference was 16 ms in the same direction. Why? Any help would be appreciated. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 5 14:20:08 2005 Received: from drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca [132.206.27.48]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB5LK15L012417 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:20:02 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cc.mcgill.ca (mailscan3.CC.McGill.CA [132.216.77.250]) by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jB5LK0Kx024268 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:20:01 -0500 Received: from mail.mcgill.ca (vpn93223.VPN.McGill.CA [132.216.93.223]) by mailscan3.cc.mcgill.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jB5LJuL7016021 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:20:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4394AEFE.1040600@mail.mcgill.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:19:58 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nathalie_B=E9langer?= MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Certain misses Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010300030305090409010101" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --------------010300030305090409010101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I get a really high, ''timed out retraces'' (73%), ''Multiple misses'' (61%) and 'certain misses' (38.4%) percentages in the Vertical Retrace Sync Test. However, when I run the Tachischopic test, I get the values ''timed out retraces'' (1), ''Multiple misses'' (0) and 'certain misses' (0). I am preparing a masked priming LD task with very brief prime durations (2, 4 and 5 ticks) and when I test my item files, everything seems to run smoothly. Should I worry about the values found in the Vertical Retrace Sync test? Thank you, Nathalie -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 --------------010300030305090409010101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

I get a really high, ''timed out retraces'' (73%), ''Multiple misses'' (61%) and 'certain misses' (38.4%) percentages in the Vertical Retrace Sync Test. However, when I run the Tachischopic test, I get the values ''timed out retraces'' (1), ''Multiple misses'' (0) and 'certain misses' (0).
I am preparing a masked priming LD task with very brief prime durations (2, 4 and 5 ticks) and when I test my item files, everything seems to run smoothly.

Should I worry about the values found in the Vertical Retrace Sync test?

Thank you,

Nathalie



--
Nathalie Bélanger

Nathalie Bélanger

Ph.D. Student
School of Communication Sciences and Disorders
McGill University
1266 Avenue des Pins ouest
Montréal, Québec
Canada H3G 1A8
Tel.: (514) 398-6895

--------------010300030305090409010101-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 5 14:55:16 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB5Lt65L012674 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:55:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDC5BDC0B6 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:55:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFCBBC6CD9 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:55:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051205145142.00ba4e68@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:54:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Certain misses In-Reply-To: <4394AEFE.1040600@mail.mcgill.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:19 PM 12/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I get a really high, ''timed out retraces'' (73%), ''Multiple misses'' >(61%) and 'certain misses' (38.4%) percentages in the Vertical Retrace >Sync Test. However, when I run the Tachischopic test, I get the values >''timed out retraces'' (1), ''Multiple misses'' (0) and 'certain misses' (0). >I am preparing a masked priming LD task with very brief prime durations >(2, 4 and 5 ticks) and when I test my item files, everything seems to run >smoothly. > >Should I worry about the values found in the Vertical Retrace Sync test? No, as stated recently as long as there aren't display errors as in your AZK file DMDX is performing admirably. It's just the Vertical Retrace Sync Test that's thrashing some machines excessively. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 5 14:57:36 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB5LvW5L012708 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:57:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (faramir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.218]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA7CBC90A0 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:57:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5CFBDE7E2 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:57:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051205145458.00bcad80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:57:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] Re: two recent mysteries In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:16 PM 12/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I encountered two mysteries with dmdx: >Mystery 1: while analysing data, I noticed there is no data for Item 11. I >checked the item file, it is there, and there is no problem with it. I >checked the azk file, Item 11 is missing. But I also notice it is the >first item after practice. I moved it to the second item and tested >myself, checked the azk file; now the current first item is missing. >Summary: the first item after practice does not have data. Perhaps you have some weird feature in the item file where the practice ends as if this was happening regularly we would have seen instances of it before this. Missing semicolons are a prime suspect as are weird scramble parameters, particularly if combined with missing semi-colons. >Mystery 2: I have 11 Chinese students who showed a 1 ms difference between >two conditions (in ism file, same below); I have 8 Japanese students who >showed a 7 ms difference between the same two conditions in the same >direction (the same experiment). After I combined them into one azk file, >and Analyzed it, the difference was 16 ms in the same direction. Why? Who knows. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 6 00:38:33 2005 Received: from fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (fed1rmmtao08.cox.net [68.230.241.31]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB67bw5L015049 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:37:58 -0700 Received: from sharon ([68.105.129.98]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20051206073631.WXFC26964.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@sharon> for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:36:31 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01c5fa38$cc6ff8d0$0101a8c0@sharon> From: "Shiaohui Chan" To: Subject: [DMDX] How to make items go together? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:43:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C5F9FE.1FA19620" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C5F9FE.1FA19620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I will use fMRI to run an experiment. Subjects will see a few words and = then re-arrange the words following the instruction given to them at the = beginning of each trial (e.g., "SENTENCE"). After they are done with = the re-arrangement, they press a button (of a mouse) and then a + sign = will appear and stay on the screen for 6 seconds. Subjects don't need = to to make any response to the + sign. Here are some of the items: +1001 "SENTENCE"/ * "HELEN", "SENT", "THE PRESENT", "SANDRA"/!; 2001 "+" /!; I use in the parameter line to make the pair go together. Here is where the file starts to go wrong. I want to include some = fillers. For these fillers, subjects will see something like item 1001 = above, but then, instead of going to the + sign immediately, they will = see a multiple choice question. They have to respond to that question = by pressing a button. After that, the + sign will appear and stay on = the screen for 6 seconds, just like item 2001 above. The multiple choice question is like this: +3001 * "1. Helen sent Sandra the present", "2. Sandra sent Helen the present", "None of the above"/!; Here is my question. Most of the trials do not include a multiple = question, so I can use to make the related items go together. But = how do I make the items in the three-step trials go together? I know I = probably can use $$ to group each 3-item trial and manually make them = spread out to the file. But I was wondering if there is a way to merge = items 2001 & 3001 into one so that after subject responds to the = multiple question, the frame can go to the + sign and stay for 6 = seconds? The following item is sort of what I have in mind. But I know = it doesn't work (and it may look pretty stupid :-P). =20 +4001 * "1. Helen sent Sandra the present", "2. Sandra sent Helen the present", "None of the above"/!/"+" /!; Does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks in advance! best, shiaohui ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shiaohui Chan Ph.D. Program Department of Linguistics University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C5F9FE.1FA19620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
 
I will use fMRI to run an = experiment. =20 Subjects will see a few words and then re-arrange the words = following the=20 instruction given to them at the beginning of each trial (e.g.,=20 "SENTENCE").  After they are done with the re-arrangement, they = press a=20 button (of a mouse) and then a + sign will appear and stay on the = screen=20 for 6 seconds.  Subjects don't need to to make any response to = the +=20 sign.  Here are some of the items:
 
+1001
"SENTENCE"/
*<t 15000> <ln -6>=20 "HELEN",
<ln -2> "SENT",
<ln 2> "THE = PRESENT",
<ln 6> = "SANDRA"/!;
 
2001 "+" <df = 375>/!;
 
I use <g 2> in the parameter=20 line to make the pair go together.
 
Here is where the file starts to go=20 wrong.  I want to include some fillers.  For these fillers, = subjects=20 will see something like item 1001 above, but then, instead of going = to the=20 + sign immediately, they will see a multiple choice question.  They = have to=20 respond to that question by pressing a button.  After = that, the + sign=20 will appear and stay on the screen for 6 seconds, just like item = 2001=20 above.
 
The multiple choice question is like = this:
 
+3001
*<ln -3> <x 0.25> "1. = Helen sent=20 Sandra the present",
<ln 0> <x 0.25> "2. = Sandra sent=20 Helen the present",
<ln 3> <x 0.25> "None of = the=20 above"/!;
 
Here is my question.  Most = of=20 the trials do not include a multiple question, so I can use = <g=20 2> to make the related items go together.  But how do I = make the=20 items in the three-step trials go together?  I know I probably can = use $$=20 to group each 3-item trial and manually make them spread = out to the=20 file.  But I was wondering if there is a way to merge = items 2001=20 & 3001 into one so that after subject responds to the = multiple question, the frame can go to the + sign and stay for 6 = seconds? =20 The following item is sort of what I have in mind.  But I know it = doesn't=20 work (and it may look pretty stupid :-P). 
+4001
*<ln -3> <x 0.25> "1. = Helen sent=20 Sandra the present",
<ln 0> <x 0.25> "2. = Sandra sent=20 Helen the present",
<ln 3> <x 0.25> "None of = the=20 above"/!/"+" <fd 375>/!;
 
Does anyone have a suggestion?  = Thanks in=20 advance!
 
best,
shiaohui
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Shiaohui=20 Chan
Ph.D. Program
Department of Linguistics
University of=20 Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C5F9FE.1FA19620-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 6 02:44:38 2005 Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.234.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB69i25L015649 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:44:03 -0700 Received: from largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk (largo.ncl.ac.uk [10.8.234.184]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB69hsuR010779 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:43:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:43:54 -0000 Message-ID: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D42AC3@largo.campus.ncl.ac.uk> From: "Chris Letts" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Also watch for chinese characters (it may not apply in this case) - I had instances where the text in an item line was in Chinese, but some of those characters were being interpreted as control characters (such as $ ; , etc) with strange results Chris Letts, Technical Site Manager, SECLS Speech & Language Section. >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of >Jonathan C. Forster >Sent: 05 December 2005 21:57 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: two recent mysteries > >At 04:16 PM 12/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >>I encountered two mysteries with dmdx: >>Mystery 1: while analysing data, I noticed there is no data for Item >>11. I checked the item file, it is there, and there is no >problem with >>it. I checked the azk file, Item 11 is missing. But I also >notice it is >>the first item after practice. I moved it to the second item >and tested >>myself, checked the azk file; now the current first item is missing. >>Summary: the first item after practice does not have data. > > Perhaps you have some weird feature in the item file where >the practice ends as if this was happening regularly we would >have seen instances of it before this. Missing semicolons are >a prime suspect as are weird scramble parameters, particularly >if combined with missing semi-colons. > > >>Mystery 2: I have 11 Chinese students who showed a 1 ms difference >>between two conditions (in ism file, same below); I have 8 Japanese >>students who showed a 7 ms difference between the same two conditions >>in the same direction (the same experiment). After I combined >them into >>one azk file, and Analyzed it, the difference was 16 ms in >the same direction. Why? > > Who knows. > > > /"\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ > >The problem with people who have no vices is that generally >you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty >annoying virtues. > > - Elizabeth Taylor > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 6 04:45:59 2005 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB6BjR5L016244 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:45:27 -0700 Received: from DELL ([68.239.40.227]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IR200HKVRBO7QV3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 05:45:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:45:25 -0500 From: "Matthew Finkbeiner" Subject: [DMDX] RE: How to make items go together? In-reply-to: <004b01c5fa38$cc6ff8d0$0101a8c0@sharon> To: Message-id: <000601c5fa5a$8caee540$6501a8c0@DELL> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5FA30.A3D8DD40" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5FA30.A3D8DD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit use a g3 and "dummy" items (e.g. ~9999;) on your two-trial items. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Shiaohui Chan Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:44 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] How to make items go together? Hi All, I will use fMRI to run an experiment. Subjects will see a few words and then re-arrange the words following the instruction given to them at the beginning of each trial (e.g., "SENTENCE"). After they are done with the re-arrangement, they press a button (of a mouse) and then a + sign will appear and stay on the screen for 6 seconds. Subjects don't need to to make any response to the + sign. Here are some of the items: +1001 "SENTENCE"/ * "HELEN", "SENT", "THE PRESENT", "SANDRA"/!; 2001 "+" /!; I use in the parameter line to make the pair go together. Here is where the file starts to go wrong. I want to include some fillers. For these fillers, subjects will see something like item 1001 above, but then, instead of going to the + sign immediately, they will see a multiple choice question. They have to respond to that question by pressing a button. After that, the + sign will appear and stay on the screen for 6 seconds, just like item 2001 above. The multiple choice question is like this: +3001 * "1. Helen sent Sandra the present", "2. Sandra sent Helen the present", "None of the above"/!; Here is my question. Most of the trials do not include a multiple question, so I can use to make the related items go together. But how do I make the items in the three-step trials go together? I know I probably can use $$ to group each 3-item trial and manually make them spread out to the file. But I was wondering if there is a way to merge items 2001 & 3001 into one so that after subject responds to the multiple question, the frame can go to the + sign and stay for 6 seconds? The following item is sort of what I have in mind. But I know it doesn't work (and it may look pretty stupid :-P). +4001 * "1. Helen sent Sandra the present", "2. Sandra sent Helen the present", "None of the above"/!/"+" /!; Does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks in advance! best, shiaohui ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shiaohui Chan Ph.D. Program Department of Linguistics University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5FA30.A3D8DD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
use a=20 g3 and "dummy" items (e.g. ~9999;) on your two-trial = items.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu = [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]=20 On Behalf Of Shiaohui Chan
Sent: Tuesday, December = 06, 2005=20 2:44 AM
To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu
Subject: = [DMDX]=20 How to make items go together?

Hi All,
 
I will use fMRI to run an = experiment. =20 Subjects will see a few words and then re-arrange the words = following the=20 instruction given to them at the beginning of each trial (e.g.,=20 "SENTENCE").  After they are done with the re-arrangement, they = press a=20 button (of a mouse) and then a + sign will appear and stay on the = screen=20 for 6 seconds.  Subjects don't need to to make any response = to the +=20 sign.  Here are some of the items:
 
+1001
"SENTENCE"/
*<t 15000> <ln -6>=20 "HELEN",
<ln -2> "SENT",
<ln 2> "THE = PRESENT",
<ln 6> = "SANDRA"/!;
 
2001 "+" <df = 375>/!;
 
I use <g 2> in the parameter = line to make the pair go together.
 
Here is where the file starts to = go=20 wrong.  I want to include some fillers.  For these fillers, = subjects=20 will see something like item 1001 above, but then, instead of = going to=20 the + sign immediately, they will see a multiple choice = question.  They=20 have to respond to that question by pressing a button.  After=20 that, the + sign will appear and stay on the screen for 6 = seconds, just=20 like item 2001 above.
 
The multiple choice question is = like=20 this:
 
+3001
*<ln -3> <x 0.25> "1. = Helen sent=20 Sandra the present",
<ln 0> <x 0.25> "2. = Sandra sent=20 Helen the present",
<ln 3> <x 0.25> "None = of the=20 above"/!;
 
Here is my = question.  Most of=20 the trials do not include a multiple question, so I can use = <g=20 2> to make the related items go together.  But how do I = make the=20 items in the three-step trials go together?  I know I probably = can use $$=20 to group each 3-item trial and manually make them spread = out to the=20 file.  But I was wondering if there is a way to merge = items=20 2001 & 3001 into one so that after subject responds = to the=20 multiple question, the frame can go to the + sign and stay for 6=20 seconds?  The following item is sort of what I have in = mind.  But I=20 know it doesn't work (and it may look pretty stupid :-P). =20
 
+4001
*<ln -3> <x 0.25> "1. = Helen sent=20 Sandra the present",
<ln 0> <x 0.25> "2. = Sandra sent=20 Helen the present",
<ln 3> <x 0.25> "None = of the=20 above"/!/"+" <fd 375>/!;
 
Does anyone have a = suggestion?  Thanks=20 in advance!
 
best,
shiaohui
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Shiaohui=20 Chan
Ph.D. Program
Department of Linguistics
University of=20 Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu<= /DIV>
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5FA30.A3D8DD40-- From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 6 07:58:40 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB6Evm5L017054 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:57:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE70DBE152B for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:57:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAB5BE148C for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:57:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051206075634.00ba4750@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:57:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to make items go together? In-Reply-To: <004b01c5fa38$cc6ff8d0$0101a8c0@sharon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:43 AM 12/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >Here is my question. Most of the trials do not include a multiple >question, so I can use to make the related items go together. But >how do I make the items in the three-step trials go together? Look at the keyword. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 6 08:00:19 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB6F0G5L017085; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:00:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C98BDCF18; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:00:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-5.dsl.arizona.edu [128.196.237.5]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FC8BE1146; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:00:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051206075743.00bc7700@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:00:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "j.c.f." Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries In-Reply-To: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D42AC3@largo.campus.ncl. ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:43 AM 12/6/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Also watch for chinese characters (it may not apply in this case) - I >had instances where the text in an item line was in Chinese, but some of >those characters were being interpreted as control characters (such as $ >; , etc) with strange results That's actually a very good point, the unicode in Asian fonts can be interpreted by DMDX as Word's smart quotes and while I keep DMDX abreast of these things as they turn up I'm less likely to make Analyze aware of them. I'll check later today and see if they're in sync. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 6 10:12:44 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB6HCU5L017837 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:12:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (legolas.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.224]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94F7BE1450 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:12:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF4FBDF7B8 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:12:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051206100927.00ba4d60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:12:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20051206075743.00bc7700@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <37E80E80B681A24B8F768D607373CA8001D42AC3@largo.campus.ncl. ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:00 AM 12/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:43 AM 12/6/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>Also watch for chinese characters (it may not apply in this case) - I >>had instances where the text in an item line was in Chinese, but some of >>those characters were being interpreted as control characters (such as $ >>; , etc) with strange results > > That's actually a very good point, the unicode in Asian fonts can be > interpreted by DMDX as Word's smart quotes and while I keep DMDX abreast > of these things as they turn up I'm less likely to make Analyze aware of > them. I'll check later today and see if they're in sync. Hmm, that's entirely non-trivial. If you can find a way to strip the special characters out you might want to make a special version of the item file that's just for use with Analyze and see if that fixes things. Making Analyze aware of different fonts is a ton of work. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 6 10:48:26 2005 Received: from langate.gsu.edu (langate.gsu.edu [131.96.2.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB6HmD5L018084 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:48:13 -0700 Received: from mailsrv4.gsu.edu not authenticated [131.96.2.17] by langate.gsu.edu with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.22.1.5 $ on Novell NetWare; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:48:05 -0500 Received: from Gateway2-MTA by mailsrv4.gsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:47:09 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:47:00 -0500 From: "Nan Jiang" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list the target is a Chinese word, but the data is missing in the azk file, so it may have little to do with Analyze. nan jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 12/06/05 12:12 pm >>> At 08:00 AM 12/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:43 AM 12/6/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>Also watch for chinese characters (it may not apply in this case) - I >>had instances where the text in an item line was in Chinese, but some of >>those characters were being interpreted as control characters (such as $ >>; , etc) with strange results > > That's actually a very good point, the unicode in Asian fonts can be > interpreted by DMDX as Word's smart quotes and while I keep DMDX abreast > of these things as they turn up I'm less likely to make Analyze aware of > them. I'll check later today and see if they're in sync. Hmm, that's entirely non-trivial. If you can find a way to strip the special characters out you might want to make a special version of the item file that's just for use with Analyze and see if that fixes things. Making Analyze aware of different fonts is a ton of work. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 6 12:10:17 2005 Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB6J9p5L018596 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:09:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (gimli.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.223]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D13BE1AFC for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:09:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from 666-devel.email.arizona.edu (jcf.psych.arizona.edu [128.196.98.7]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F62BE1A49 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:09:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051206120843.00ba4d60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:09:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: "Jonathan C. Forster" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:47 PM 12/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >the target is a Chinese word, but the data is missing in the azk file, so >it may have little to do with Analyze. The point is that those Chinese characters can look like quotes to Analyze so it can miss items. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 6 12:28:11 2005 Received: from langate.gsu.edu (langate.gsu.edu [131.96.2.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id jB6JS35L018739 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:28:03 -0700 Received: from mailsrv4.gsu.edu not authenticated [131.96.2.17] by langate.gsu.edu with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.22.1.5 $ on Novell NetWare; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:28:02 -0500 Received: from Gateway2-MTA by mailsrv4.gsu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:27:29 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:27:19 -0500 From: "Nan Jiang" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list but i thought azk is before Analyze; it is the output of DMDX. nan jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 12/06/05 2:09 pm >>> At 12:47 PM 12/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >the target is a Chinese word, but the data is missing in the azk file, so >it may have little to do with Analyze. The point is that those Chinese characters can look like quotes to Analyze so it can miss items. /"\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DM

Dear=20 all

 

The input=20 file for my experiment asked for visual presentation, consisting of an=20 initial passage followed by five multiple-choice questions, to = which the=20 subj pressed one of five numbers to indicate their answer.  I've tried to convert the zil results file into an = azk file=20 so that I can use analyse.  I did this by putting it into excel, = deleting=20 which alternative they chose, and keeping the response time to the = initial=20 passage and the questions and whether they were correct or not.  = Then I put=20 the excel file back into text format.  I've achieved this before, = but=20 I have learnt that analyse is very sensitive to format=20 changes.  Although my file looks okay, I can't make analyse = work.  It=20 won't read the data somehow and thinks i have duplicated all the = subjects. =20 it produces a series of noughts as output.  Can anybody see what I = have=20 done wrong?  See below.

 

Many=20 thanks,

 

Virginia=20 Holmes

 

P.S. =20 Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that the = azk to=20 columns program accepts it.

 

 

Subjects =20 incorporated   =20 to  date:  38      =20

Data  file    started  on   machine  = PsychLab07

 

********************************************************************= **   =

Subject 1,=20 04/06/2005 11:16:10 on  =20 PsychLab06,  = refresh  11.76ms  ID =20 MLLILLEY

    Item      =20 RT

     1   =20 47721

     2   =20 18441

     3   =20 16778

     4   =20 11903

     5   =20 37629

     6   =20 10257

     7   =20 58361

     8   =20 12697

     9    =20 8552

    10    =20 7726

    11    =20 7532

    12    =20 6509

    13   =20 53245

    14   =20 13567

    15  =20 -16684

    16    =20 7991

    17    =20 4936

    18    =20 3755

    19   =20 69001

    20    =20 4855

    21  =20 -19822

    22   =20 12254

    23    =20 9346

    24   =20 12864

    25   =20 72910

    26   =20 11206

    27    =20 7114

    28   =20 10502

    29  =20 -14836

    30    =20 6068

    31   =20 72585

    32   =20 10080

    33   =20 -8502

    34    =20 6278

    35   =20 25610

    36    =20 8011

    37   =20 67456

    38   =20 -4788

    39    =20 4614

    40   =20 -7539

    41    =20 6538

    42    =20 7079

    43   =20 66908

    44    =20 6514

    45   =20 10611

    46   =20 16622

    47    =20 7812

    48   =20 -6722

 

********************************************************************= **   =20

Subject 2,=20 04/06/2005 12:16:10 on  =20 PsychLab06,  = refresh  11.76ms  ID =20 mcupples

  Item      =20 RT

     1   =20 33326

     2   =20 6124

     3   =20 -5123

     4   =20 5205

     5   =20 6952

     6   =20 -2350

     7   =20 98929

     8   =20 8185

     9   =20 4642

    10   =20 9965

    11   =20 11911

    12   =20 12308

    13   =20 37669

    14   =20 8915

    15   =20 6364

    16   =20 5064

    17   =20 27018

    18   =20 -2657

    19   =20 50364

    20   =20 -7771

    21   =20 12406

    22   =20 7465

    23   =20 6959

    24   =20 6203

    25   =20 77251

    26   =20 9322

    27   =20 6205

    28   =20 6316

    29   =20 8194

    30   =20 5205

    31   =20 53024

    32   =20 5880

    33   =20 12185

    34   =20 6328

    35   =20 6410

    36   =20 6739

    37   =20 67477

    38   =20 3470

    39   =20 3451

    40   =20 3461

    41   =20 6573

    42   =20 11877

    43   =20 68948

    44   =20 5226

    45   =20 6331

    46   =20 8910

    47   =20 6550

    48    10737

 

********************************************************************= **   =20

Subject 3,=20 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on  =20 PsychLab07,  = refresh  11.78ms  ID =20 dbevan

  Item      =20 RT

    1   =20 40907

    2   =20 6259

    3   =20 5260

    4   =20 -3795

    5   =20 -9920

    6   =20 5534

    7   =20 58916

    8   =20 5716

    9   =20 4714

    10   =20 7732

    11    7736 =20 etc.